• Jim Rome-Roger Nelson-Skydive Chicago

    From perfectscience@gmail.com@21:1/5 to notfrom sdc on Wed Apr 5 10:09:38 2017
    On Monday, June 16, 2003 at 10:38:31 AM UTC-5, notfrom sdc wrote:
    Out of consideration for the public request to hold
    back on the negativity, I've been waiting to post
    this. By the time people read this, the memorial
    should be over, so, time's up.

    I originally sent this to Jim Rome earlier last week
    and now am posting this as more or less an "open
    letter." A lot of people are going to get turned
    off within a few sentences, but I request they read
    all the way through it before they flame. What is
    presented below is a combination of common public
    knowledge and my opinions.

    Because of the content, I decided not to originally
    send or now post this in an easily traceable manner
    (I did this from a public portal) and because
    of the inconvenience factor, and despite the
    entertainment potential :-), I don't plan to check
    private responses, either.


    =================================================

    Mr. Rome:

    I am a long-time skydiver from Chicago. You
    undoubtedly have been getting an onslaught of hate
    email about your bashing of Roger Nelson. This
    is not one of those emails. Roger getting himself
    killed is poetic justice. Too bad he died a martyr.
    Too bad Todd Fey will be remembered as the murderer
    of Roger Nelson of SDC. The acronym "SDC" is how
    jumpers refer to "Skydive Chicago" but to me it is
    "Sex, Drugs, and Casualties."

    From what people have been posting on the internet
    in discussing what you said about Roger, they are
    taking everything you said and twisting it around to
    make you look clueless. Even though on some
    technicalities you can be considered incorrect, in
    essence you have hit the nail right on the head!
    Myself, along with dozens of my closest skydving
    buddies won't jump there due to safety concerns.
    Roger Nelson has always bragged about how he has
    the bestest, safest, etc., drop zone in the world,
    so why are there two other drop zones within 20
    miles? Me and all my buddies need someplace to jump!

    For starters, the 14 fatalities number is incorrect.
    It is, I think, 38. Why so large? He had a drop
    zone in Sandwich, IL prior to his going to jail in
    '87, and he also briefly ran the drop zone in Lake
    Wales FL where he incurred two of those fatalities.

    Also, if anyone calls the drop zone and asks
    specifically how many people have died or if there
    have been any deaths, they always lie and say "none."
    This has been tested in the past by other drop zones
    and is a running joke with everybody. Go ahead and
    have somebody call there pretending to be a
    prospective student and see what happens! Although
    now, they might say "1" fatality :-)

    In reality, the other competing drop zones don't
    advertise how they are safer. They don't want to
    stoop down to Roger's level. Besides, Roger already
    advertises he is the safest drop zone in the world!
    ...and that is typical Roger behavior: work to cover
    your weaknesses.

    So, why are there still people skydiving there?
    First of all, the facility has all the best that drug
    money can buy (Roger went to jail before the seizure
    laws went into effect and had lots of other money
    stashed away). People love the toys and bling-bling,
    regardless if it came from "dirty" money.

    Next, Roger was one of the most charismatic people I
    have ever met. If he could've bottled and sold it,
    he'd have made more money than he ever did running
    drugs. Unfortunately, he used this charisma to
    convince his students they are capable of skydiving
    acts that are beyond their experience. [ed note
    for rec. posting: and had the same effect on
    everyone else there from staff to visiting jumpers]
    Skydiving is a sport that can't be learned out of a
    textbook and then "just go do it." Experience has
    to be built up before taking on bigger and bigger
    feats. Roger was out to prove to the world he could
    train his students faster and better than anyone
    else, and the result was death and injury, all of
    which was kept very quiet by his loyal disciples,
    until the death numbers got so high, people began
    to take notice. Still, it is hard for the
    authorities to find a way to shut him down because
    of the intangible quality to the factors that led to
    what has been happening there.

    "Disciples?" Yes... using that charisma, Roger bred
    a cult-like atmosphere at his drop zone. Lots of
    people don't call that place "the compound" for
    nothing.

    The main reason there isn't a lot of Roger-bashing out
    there is because most people are scared of reprisal
    from the disciples, because these people are so messed
    up that they would be convinced they were acting in
    the name of their Lord. Hence why you've gotten this
    from me anonymously. There is one guy who has the
    balls to publicly expose Roger and that is Terry
    Murray. If you want to contact him for more details
    (he was on the inside of that organization for years
    until he decided to get out): tandmterry@aol.com

    What basis is there for this? First of all, one of
    the things about Roger that pisses me off more than
    anything is that he is a false Christian. His
    philosophy is that he can sin all he wants and as
    long as afterwards he begs forgiveness, he's back on
    the list for Upstairs. He just doesn't get it.
    Roger is very good at hiding his bad side. The
    people defending Roger are those that either had
    limited dealings with him, are newer jumpers, or
    have a financial interest in the drop zone. Roger
    first discovered God right before he was arrested
    for his 1980's drug smuggling. Gee whiz. The closer
    he got to being convicted, the more religious he got.

    Now, in recent years, rumor had it the feds again were
    taking notice of how big Roger had gotten and
    wondering where the money was coming from, and Roger
    has gotten increasingly religious over these past few
    years. He knew the feds were close to taking him down
    again.

    Last year, Roger's son complained to daddy that
    another jumper "cut him off" while they were under
    their parachutes preparing to land. This other
    jumper was part of the staff. Roger, without
    checking into things, went ballistic, made a huge
    scene, and threatened the guy's life if he ever did
    that again. Yup, sounds like a good Christian to
    me! Not! That jumper now works at a different drop
    zone. This pattern repeats itself over and over.

    Then there is Roger and women. A few years ago
    while the family was on vacation in Florida, Roger
    stole his son's girlfriend. This also led to his
    divorce. Yup, what a good Christian.

    Getting back to safety, even though in the last year
    he's been doing better because of the microscope he's
    had on his operation, historically, he was putting
    out students in any kind of weather conditions.
    There is an old saying: "What do experienced jumpers
    do at Ottawa when it is too windy to jump? Have a
    beer and watch the students."

    Now, about this particular accident. As quoted
    indirectly in the Chicago Tribune, Roger's attorney
    and partner, Fred Morrelli (and supported by
    Chris Needels) left out a few facts. Fred said
    Roger was low man and Chris said Roger had
    right-of-way and thus it was the other jumper's
    fault. According to numerous first-hand accounts
    I've heard, what they didn't say is that Roger was
    low man for about a split-second prior to collision,
    and that Roger was doing his usual: trying to
    "thread the needle" as he comes in for a high
    performance landing while flying around the other
    parachutes. Roger kept preaching safety and is a
    classic example of "do what I say, not as I do"
    which, of course, never works. This kind of
    behavior trickles from the top down and is the
    primary contributing factor to many of the fatalities
    and is why, in this case, statistics don't lie! There
    really is a safety issue here and it all comes from
    the way people are treating the sport at Skydive
    Chicago. Again, too bad Todd Fey has been tagged
    by the flock and will be remembered as the murderer
    of Roger Nelson.

    Maybe now with Roger gone, the new powers-that-be
    may finally have a chance to think about things on
    their own and will listen to everybody and not just
    the "thought police" who will try to carry on the
    legacy, and fundamentally change the way they think
    about the sport. I would love it if I would no
    longer have to think of the initials "SDC" as "Sex,
    Drugs, and Casualties."


    For The Late Rodger Nelson wife this is Terry contact Dan Office 815-723-2909 and Wayne Shield about others in Jail with him illgeally

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  • From diane@solonline.org@21:1/5 to notfrom sdc on Tue Jan 21 16:44:27 2020
    On Monday, June 16, 2003 at 11:38:31 AM UTC-4, notfrom sdc wrote:
    Out of consideration for the public request to hold
    back on the negativity, I've been waiting to post
    this. By the time people read this, the memorial
    should be over, so, time's up.

    I originally sent this to Jim Rome earlier last week
    and now am posting this as more or less an "open
    letter." A lot of people are going to get turned
    off within a few sentences, but I request they read
    all the way through it before they flame. What is
    presented below is a combination of common public
    knowledge and my opinions.

    Because of the content, I decided not to originally
    send or now post this in an easily traceable manner
    (I did this from a public portal) and because
    of the inconvenience factor, and despite the
    entertainment potential :-), I don't plan to check
    private responses, either.


    =================================================

    Mr. Rome:

    I am a long-time skydiver from Chicago. You
    undoubtedly have been getting an onslaught of hate
    email about your bashing of Roger Nelson. This
    is not one of those emails. Roger getting himself
    killed is poetic justice. Too bad he died a martyr.
    Too bad Todd Fey will be remembered as the murderer
    of Roger Nelson of SDC. The acronym "SDC" is how
    jumpers refer to "Skydive Chicago" but to me it is
    "Sex, Drugs, and Casualties."

    From what people have been posting on the internet
    in discussing what you said about Roger, they are
    taking everything you said and twisting it around to
    make you look clueless. Even though on some
    technicalities you can be considered incorrect, in
    essence you have hit the nail right on the head!
    Myself, along with dozens of my closest skydving
    buddies won't jump there due to safety concerns.
    Roger Nelson has always bragged about how he has
    the bestest, safest, etc., drop zone in the world,
    so why are there two other drop zones within 20
    miles? Me and all my buddies need someplace to jump!

    For starters, the 14 fatalities number is incorrect.
    It is, I think, 38. Why so large? He had a drop
    zone in Sandwich, IL prior to his going to jail in
    '87, and he also briefly ran the drop zone in Lake
    Wales FL where he incurred two of those fatalities.

    Also, if anyone calls the drop zone and asks
    specifically how many people have died or if there
    have been any deaths, they always lie and say "none."
    This has been tested in the past by other drop zones
    and is a running joke with everybody. Go ahead and
    have somebody call there pretending to be a
    prospective student and see what happens! Although
    now, they might say "1" fatality :-)

    In reality, the other competing drop zones don't
    advertise how they are safer. They don't want to
    stoop down to Roger's level. Besides, Roger already
    advertises he is the safest drop zone in the world!
    ...and that is typical Roger behavior: work to cover
    your weaknesses.

    So, why are there still people skydiving there?
    First of all, the facility has all the best that drug
    money can buy (Roger went to jail before the seizure
    laws went into effect and had lots of other money
    stashed away). People love the toys and bling-bling,
    regardless if it came from "dirty" money.

    Next, Roger was one of the most charismatic people I
    have ever met. If he could've bottled and sold it,
    he'd have made more money than he ever did running
    drugs. Unfortunately, he used this charisma to
    convince his students they are capable of skydiving
    acts that are beyond their experience. [ed note
    for rec. posting: and had the same effect on
    everyone else there from staff to visiting jumpers]
    Skydiving is a sport that can't be learned out of a
    textbook and then "just go do it." Experience has
    to be built up before taking on bigger and bigger
    feats. Roger was out to prove to the world he could
    train his students faster and better than anyone
    else, and the result was death and injury, all of
    which was kept very quiet by his loyal disciples,
    until the death numbers got so high, people began
    to take notice. Still, it is hard for the
    authorities to find a way to shut him down because
    of the intangible quality to the factors that led to
    what has been happening there.

    "Disciples?" Yes... using that charisma, Roger bred
    a cult-like atmosphere at his drop zone. Lots of
    people don't call that place "the compound" for
    nothing.

    The main reason there isn't a lot of Roger-bashing out
    there is because most people are scared of reprisal
    from the disciples, because these people are so messed
    up that they would be convinced they were acting in
    the name of their Lord. Hence why you've gotten this
    from me anonymously. There is one guy who has the
    balls to publicly expose Roger and that is Terry
    Murray. If you want to contact him for more details
    (he was on the inside of that organization for years
    until he decided to get out): tandmterry@aol.com

    What basis is there for this? First of all, one of
    the things about Roger that pisses me off more than
    anything is that he is a false Christian. His
    philosophy is that he can sin all he wants and as
    long as afterwards he begs forgiveness, he's back on
    the list for Upstairs. He just doesn't get it.
    Roger is very good at hiding his bad side. The
    people defending Roger are those that either had
    limited dealings with him, are newer jumpers, or
    have a financial interest in the drop zone. Roger
    first discovered God right before he was arrested
    for his 1980's drug smuggling. Gee whiz. The closer
    he got to being convicted, the more religious he got.

    Now, in recent years, rumor had it the feds again were
    taking notice of how big Roger had gotten and
    wondering where the money was coming from, and Roger
    has gotten increasingly religious over these past few
    years. He knew the feds were close to taking him down
    again.

    Last year, Roger's son complained to daddy that
    another jumper "cut him off" while they were under
    their parachutes preparing to land. This other
    jumper was part of the staff. Roger, without
    checking into things, went ballistic, made a huge
    scene, and threatened the guy's life if he ever did
    that again. Yup, sounds like a good Christian to
    me! Not! That jumper now works at a different drop
    zone. This pattern repeats itself over and over.

    Then there is Roger and women. A few years ago
    while the family was on vacation in Florida, Roger
    stole his son's girlfriend. This also led to his
    divorce. Yup, what a good Christian.

    Getting back to safety, even though in the last year
    he's been doing better because of the microscope he's
    had on his operation, historically, he was putting
    out students in any kind of weather conditions.
    There is an old saying: "What do experienced jumpers
    do at Ottawa when it is too windy to jump? Have a
    beer and watch the students."

    Now, about this particular accident. As quoted
    indirectly in the Chicago Tribune, Roger's attorney
    and partner, Fred Morrelli (and supported by
    Chris Needels) left out a few facts. Fred said
    Roger was low man and Chris said Roger had
    right-of-way and thus it was the other jumper's
    fault. According to numerous first-hand accounts
    I've heard, what they didn't say is that Roger was
    low man for about a split-second prior to collision,
    and that Roger was doing his usual: trying to
    "thread the needle" as he comes in for a high
    performance landing while flying around the other
    parachutes. Roger kept preaching safety and is a
    classic example of "do what I say, not as I do"
    which, of course, never works. This kind of
    behavior trickles from the top down and is the
    primary contributing factor to many of the fatalities
    and is why, in this case, statistics don't lie! There
    really is a safety issue here and it all comes from
    the way people are treating the sport at Skydive
    Chicago. Again, too bad Todd Fey has been tagged
    by the flock and will be remembered as the murderer
    of Roger Nelson.

    Maybe now with Roger gone, the new powers-that-be
    may finally have a chance to think about things on
    their own and will listen to everybody and not just
    the "thought police" who will try to carry on the
    legacy, and fundamentally change the way they think
    about the sport. I would love it if I would no
    longer have to think of the initials "SDC" as "Sex,
    Drugs, and Casualties."

    I worked as the manifestor in Skydive Sandwich in the 80's - 84-85 to be precise & I totally agree with Jim's assessment. I came there from CA - Skydive San Diego Air Sports, CT, CT Parachutist, & the Skydiving Nationals, Muskogee. I had previously
    worked at the Freak Bros Convention & took the job as there are not that many opportunities for full time manifestors.

    Even as naive as I was, I knew there was something wrong the minute I walked in that door. I thought, "You don't make this kind of money putting out first jump students". There were so many things wrong there.

    Jim Boer & I were friends & 1 time when we were talking in an office, he threw his heavy leather jacket over the phone as he said Roger could listen in.

    At Freak Bros he would send Moet & roses to the manifest while he was blatently cheating on Jeanie.

    He never wanted me to balance the cash drawer. I got a call at the DZ one time asking about a duplicate Navajo (highly instrumented fast plane) in FL with the same paint job & N #. When he was in "FL", Jeanie would take a bag of change & go to a phone
    booth to talk to him. There was a very well know skydiver in CO, which is hardly a Mecca for skydivers, who was in communication with Roger. It didn't make sense to me that he would be there. When Roger went down, it turned out he had a property in CO
    where he had buried Kruger Rands. When Roger was really pleased with you, he'd give you a Krueger Rand - I never got one.

    When he was looking for financial support for his 100 way, a little girl, the same age as his daughter Melissa was abducted. He used that in his letter to garner support saying he was flying over the countryside trying to help. During that investigation
    the FBI was at the DZ. She was later found murdered.

    On many occasions people had gone to the bar when the weather was bad & he reopened the DZ when the weather had cleared even though they had clearly been drinking. He also overloaded the planes. I told him it wasn't worth it to jeopardize his whole
    operation over this stuff, but he disagreed.

    There's more, but I think that's enough.

    I'm sorry but I saw Roger as a very self-serving, venile person & I was glad when he went in. What goes around comes around.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From diane@solonline.org@21:1/5 to di...@solonline.org on Tue Jan 21 16:54:12 2020
    On Tuesday, January 21, 2020 at 7:44:29 PM UTC-5, di...@solonline.org wrote:
    On Monday, June 16, 2003 at 11:38:31 AM UTC-4, notfrom sdc wrote:
    Out of consideration for the public request to hold
    back on the negativity, I've been waiting to post
    this. By the time people read this, the memorial
    should be over, so, time's up.

    I originally sent this to Jim Rome earlier last week
    and now am posting this as more or less an "open
    letter." A lot of people are going to get turned
    off within a few sentences, but I request they read
    all the way through it before they flame. What is
    presented below is a combination of common public
    knowledge and my opinions.

    Because of the content, I decided not to originally
    send or now post this in an easily traceable manner
    (I did this from a public portal) and because
    of the inconvenience factor, and despite the
    entertainment potential :-), I don't plan to check
    private responses, either.


    =================================================

    Mr. Rome:

    I am a long-time skydiver from Chicago. You
    undoubtedly have been getting an onslaught of hate
    email about your bashing of Roger Nelson. This
    is not one of those emails. Roger getting himself
    killed is poetic justice. Too bad he died a martyr.
    Too bad Todd Fey will be remembered as the murderer
    of Roger Nelson of SDC. The acronym "SDC" is how
    jumpers refer to "Skydive Chicago" but to me it is
    "Sex, Drugs, and Casualties."

    From what people have been posting on the internet
    in discussing what you said about Roger, they are
    taking everything you said and twisting it around to
    make you look clueless. Even though on some
    technicalities you can be considered incorrect, in
    essence you have hit the nail right on the head!
    Myself, along with dozens of my closest skydving
    buddies won't jump there due to safety concerns.
    Roger Nelson has always bragged about how he has
    the bestest, safest, etc., drop zone in the world,
    so why are there two other drop zones within 20
    miles? Me and all my buddies need someplace to jump!

    For starters, the 14 fatalities number is incorrect.
    It is, I think, 38. Why so large? He had a drop
    zone in Sandwich, IL prior to his going to jail in
    '87, and he also briefly ran the drop zone in Lake
    Wales FL where he incurred two of those fatalities.

    Also, if anyone calls the drop zone and asks
    specifically how many people have died or if there
    have been any deaths, they always lie and say "none."
    This has been tested in the past by other drop zones
    and is a running joke with everybody. Go ahead and
    have somebody call there pretending to be a
    prospective student and see what happens! Although
    now, they might say "1" fatality :-)

    In reality, the other competing drop zones don't
    advertise how they are safer. They don't want to
    stoop down to Roger's level. Besides, Roger already
    advertises he is the safest drop zone in the world!
    ...and that is typical Roger behavior: work to cover
    your weaknesses.

    So, why are there still people skydiving there?
    First of all, the facility has all the best that drug
    money can buy (Roger went to jail before the seizure
    laws went into effect and had lots of other money
    stashed away). People love the toys and bling-bling,
    regardless if it came from "dirty" money.

    Next, Roger was one of the most charismatic people I
    have ever met. If he could've bottled and sold it,
    he'd have made more money than he ever did running
    drugs. Unfortunately, he used this charisma to
    convince his students they are capable of skydiving
    acts that are beyond their experience. [ed note
    for rec. posting: and had the same effect on
    everyone else there from staff to visiting jumpers]
    Skydiving is a sport that can't be learned out of a
    textbook and then "just go do it." Experience has
    to be built up before taking on bigger and bigger
    feats. Roger was out to prove to the world he could
    train his students faster and better than anyone
    else, and the result was death and injury, all of
    which was kept very quiet by his loyal disciples,
    until the death numbers got so high, people began
    to take notice. Still, it is hard for the
    authorities to find a way to shut him down because
    of the intangible quality to the factors that led to
    what has been happening there.

    "Disciples?" Yes... using that charisma, Roger bred
    a cult-like atmosphere at his drop zone. Lots of
    people don't call that place "the compound" for
    nothing.

    The main reason there isn't a lot of Roger-bashing out
    there is because most people are scared of reprisal
    from the disciples, because these people are so messed
    up that they would be convinced they were acting in
    the name of their Lord. Hence why you've gotten this
    from me anonymously. There is one guy who has the
    balls to publicly expose Roger and that is Terry
    Murray. If you want to contact him for more details
    (he was on the inside of that organization for years
    until he decided to get out): tandmterry@aol.com

    What basis is there for this? First of all, one of
    the things about Roger that pisses me off more than
    anything is that he is a false Christian. His
    philosophy is that he can sin all he wants and as
    long as afterwards he begs forgiveness, he's back on
    the list for Upstairs. He just doesn't get it.
    Roger is very good at hiding his bad side. The
    people defending Roger are those that either had
    limited dealings with him, are newer jumpers, or
    have a financial interest in the drop zone. Roger
    first discovered God right before he was arrested
    for his 1980's drug smuggling. Gee whiz. The closer
    he got to being convicted, the more religious he got.

    Now, in recent years, rumor had it the feds again were
    taking notice of how big Roger had gotten and
    wondering where the money was coming from, and Roger
    has gotten increasingly religious over these past few
    years. He knew the feds were close to taking him down
    again.

    Last year, Roger's son complained to daddy that
    another jumper "cut him off" while they were under
    their parachutes preparing to land. This other
    jumper was part of the staff. Roger, without
    checking into things, went ballistic, made a huge
    scene, and threatened the guy's life if he ever did
    that again. Yup, sounds like a good Christian to
    me! Not! That jumper now works at a different drop
    zone. This pattern repeats itself over and over.

    Then there is Roger and women. A few years ago
    while the family was on vacation in Florida, Roger
    stole his son's girlfriend. This also led to his
    divorce. Yup, what a good Christian.

    Getting back to safety, even though in the last year
    he's been doing better because of the microscope he's
    had on his operation, historically, he was putting
    out students in any kind of weather conditions.
    There is an old saying: "What do experienced jumpers
    do at Ottawa when it is too windy to jump? Have a
    beer and watch the students."

    Now, about this particular accident. As quoted
    indirectly in the Chicago Tribune, Roger's attorney
    and partner, Fred Morrelli (and supported by
    Chris Needels) left out a few facts. Fred said
    Roger was low man and Chris said Roger had
    right-of-way and thus it was the other jumper's
    fault. According to numerous first-hand accounts
    I've heard, what they didn't say is that Roger was
    low man for about a split-second prior to collision,
    and that Roger was doing his usual: trying to
    "thread the needle" as he comes in for a high
    performance landing while flying around the other
    parachutes. Roger kept preaching safety and is a
    classic example of "do what I say, not as I do"
    which, of course, never works. This kind of
    behavior trickles from the top down and is the
    primary contributing factor to many of the fatalities
    and is why, in this case, statistics don't lie! There
    really is a safety issue here and it all comes from
    the way people are treating the sport at Skydive
    Chicago. Again, too bad Todd Fey has been tagged
    by the flock and will be remembered as the murderer
    of Roger Nelson.

    Maybe now with Roger gone, the new powers-that-be
    may finally have a chance to think about things on
    their own and will listen to everybody and not just
    the "thought police" who will try to carry on the
    legacy, and fundamentally change the way they think
    about the sport. I would love it if I would no
    longer have to think of the initials "SDC" as "Sex,
    Drugs, and Casualties."

    I worked as the manifestor in Skydive Sandwich in the 80's - 84-85 to be precise & I totally agree with Jim's assessment. I came there from CA - Skydive San Diego Air Sports, CT, CT Parachutist, & the Skydiving Nationals, Muskogee. I had previously
    worked at the Freak Bros Convention & took the job as there are not that many opportunities for full time manifestors.

    Even as naive as I was, I knew there was something wrong the minute I walked in that door. I thought, "You don't make this kind of money putting out first jump students". There were so many things wrong there.

    Jim Boer & I were friends & 1 time when we were talking in an office, he threw his heavy leather jacket over the phone as he said Roger could listen in.

    At Freak Bros he would send Moet & roses to the manifest while he was blatently cheating on Jeanie.

    He never wanted me to balance the cash drawer. I got a call at the DZ one time asking about a duplicate Navajo (highly instrumented fast plane) in FL with the same paint job & N #. When he was in "FL", Jeanie would take a bag of change & go to a phone
    booth to talk to him. There was a very well know skydiver in CO, which is hardly a Mecca for skydivers, who was in communication with Roger. It didn't make sense to me that he would be there. When Roger went down, it turned out he had a property in CO
    where he had buried Kruger Rands. When Roger was really pleased with you, he'd give you a Krueger Rand - I never got one.

    When he was looking for financial support for his 100 way, a little girl, the same age as his daughter Melissa was abducted. He used that in his letter to garner support saying he was flying over the countryside trying to help. During that
    investigation the FBI was at the DZ. She was later found murdered.

    On many occasions people had gone to the bar when the weather was bad & he reopened the DZ when the weather had cleared even though they had clearly been drinking. He also overloaded the planes. I told him it wasn't worth it to jeopardize his whole
    operation over this stuff, but he disagreed.

    There's more, but I think that's enough.

    I'm sorry but I saw Roger as a very self-serving, venile person & I was glad when he went in. What goes around comes around.

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