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'Homosexual Pedophiles': A Clinical Term

The fact is, however, that the terms "homosexual" and
"pedophile" are not mutually exclusive: they describe two
intersecting types of sexual attraction. Webster's Dictionary
defines "homosexual" as someone who is sexually attracted to
persons of the same sex. "Pedophile" is defined as "an adult who
is sexually attracted to young children." The former definition
refers to the gender of the desired sexual object, while the
latter refers to the age of the desired sexual object.

A male "homosexual pedophile," then, is defined as someone who
is generally (but not exclusively, see below) sexually attracted
to boys, while a female "homosexual pedophile" is sexually
attracted to girls.

Furthermore, Herek deceitfully leaves out the salient facts in
the Jenny study, which Dailey explains in Footnote 23 of his
article:

The Jenny study used this narrow profile despite the fact that
the study itself found that 22 percent of the perpetrators were
of the same sex as the victim. In these cases the molesters
clearly engaged in homosexual sexual molestation.

Twenty-two percent of the molestations were homosexual, and
using a 2% figure for the percentage that homosexuals are of the
total population, this would be a ratio of 11 to 1. On a
probability basis, homosexuals are 11 times more likely to
molest children than heterosexuals. This fits in the low end of
most valid statistics on this problem. They generally range from
10 to 30 times. Also these figures are very conservative for two
reasons. By far, most of the homosexual molesters are men
abusing boys; and sexual abuse of boys is under-reported. And,
since there are both men and women in the 2% homosexual
category, using 2% is too high for the number of homosexual men.
On the under-reporting of sexual abuse by boys, the Dailey
article states:

Dr. Robert Johnson, in Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality,
reports: "The vast majority of cases of male sexual molestation
is not reported. As a result, these young men keep both the
incidents and their feelings to themselves."

The Department of Justice report on child sexual exploitation
explains why the percentage of boy victims is underestimated:
"Adolescent boy victims are highly likely to deny certain types
of sexual activity. . . . They are embarrassed and ashamed of
their behavior and rightfully believe that society will not
understand their victimization. ... No matter what the
investigator does, most adolescent boys will deny they were
victims."

And certainly if the boy does not report the molestation, the
molester is not going to. Therefore, a very large number of the
homosexual molestations never come to light.

On a Marshall, et al, study referred to by Dailey, Herek tries
to detract from its relevance by making such statements as:

The offenders were not asked their sexual orientation (gay,
straight, bisexual) and the paper does not report any
information about the nature of the offenders' adult sexual
relationships, or even if they had any such relationships.

First, the study clearly showed that it was of men who molested
boys. This in itself shows that they were homosexual pedophiles.
Herek tries to get away form this by his special definitions.
The study even went further and showed that the molesters were
also "attracted to men of all ages." Herek still tries to argue
that even this has no bearing on whether or not they were
homosexuals. It certainly can get ridiculous when you abandon
common sense. Herek completely ignores another Marshall study
referred to by Dailey, where 30% of the male sex offenders
admitted to sex with adult males, as well as with the boys they
molested.

Herek criticizes a study of Bickley & Beech referred to by
Dailey. The thrust of the criticism seems to be that there were
other studies that were somewhat different, and that the studies
had little meaning because they focused only on the sex of the
victim, without determining the sex of the offender. However, it
has been well established that the vast majority of child
molesters are male, so male molestation of boys would be
homosexual. However, the tests do concentrate on recidivism, and
have no great bearing on the percentages of homosexuals that are
sex offenders. On this part I would agree with Herek. But the
information does go to show more of the excesses of homosexuals.

Dailey referred to some writings of the homosexuals, Jay and
Young. The only thing Herek came up with on this was:

This book, published nearly 30 years ago by a team of writer-
activists, is not a scientific study. The authors' survey
methodology is not reported in detail and, because it was a
journalistic work, the survey was never subjected to scientific
peer review.

Herek makes no attempt to refute this significant statement:

In The Gay Report, by homosexual researchers Karla Jay and Allen
Young, the authors report data showing that 73 percent of
homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys sixteen
to nineteen years of age or younger.

Significantly, the other statements in Herek's paper indicate
that he would not consider the above as child molesting, anyway,
because the boys were past puberty. The fact that they may be
below the age of consent apparently makes no difference to such
people as Herek.

Dailey referred to a study by W. D. Erickson, stating:

A study of 229 convicted child molesters in Archives of Sexual
Behavior found that "eighty-six percent of offenders against
males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual."

All that Herek could come up with on this was:

However, no details are provided about how this information was
ascertained, making it difficult to interpret. Nor did the
authors report the number of homosexual versus bisexual
offenders, a distinction that the Groth and Birnbaum study
(described above) indicates is relevant.

Herek would have us believe that male on male molestation is not
homosexual molestation, merely because some molesters described
themselves as bisexual instead of homosexual. This is false and
is just further confusion that Herek would like to introduce.

The following in the Dailey article was ignored by Herek for
obvious reasons:

Fr. John Harvey, founder and director of Courage, a support
ministry for Catholics who struggle with same-sex attraction,
explains that "the pedophile differs from the ordinary
homosexual in that the former admires boyishness in the object
of his affections, while the latter admires manliness." However,
the categories are not completely separate:

While granting that the majority of homosexuals are not aroused
by young boys, the distinction between homosexuality and
homosexual pedophilia is not quite absolute. In some cases the
interest oscillates between young adolescents and adults, in
others between boys and adolescents; in exceptional cases a man
may be interested in boys at one time and adults at another.

It is information like the above that shows the completely false
basis of all of the new definitions the homosexualists want us
to use. In addition, studies show that many homosexuals have had
changes in their sexual orientation from homosexual to
heterosexual, and vice versa, several times during their lives –
some as many as four times.[12] Therefore, under their new
rules, none of these could be considered homosexual molesters.
It is well known that many homosexuals have been married to the
opposite sex and had children, and as Dailey points out, so have
many homosexual pedophiles. When considered together, under
their new rules no homosexual could be considered a child
molester.

Dailey also goes into another matter which Herek ignores. That
is the push that has been going on for some time to sell man-boy
love to the public just like it has sold homosexuality. This is
a part of the dilemma of people like Herek. They can't very well
sell this to the public, and at the same time say that no
homosexuals molest boys. Dailey details how articles promoting
this "intergenerational relationship" are being published in
professional journals.

The Herek article makes a pitiful attempt to refute a few of the
things in the Dailey article, but completely ignores most of the
important things in the article. It is interesting that among
the many things ignored by Herek were Dailey's references to
homosexual pedophile writings such as those of David Thorstad,
and writings about the "great gays" of history that met their
downfall because of their unlawful relations with underage boys.
Why? I believe that the reason is that the homosexual movement
has a three-pronged dilemma. They know that the well known
relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia is against
their trying to sell homosexuality and homosexual marriage to
the public. On the other hand they know that the man/boy love
element, promoted by those such as Thorstad, is an integral part
of the homosexual movement, and that an important part of the
homosexual agenda is to lower the age of consent, so that
homosexuals can legally prey on more of the young. They are also
presently placing a lot of importance on the homosexual writings
trying to convince the public that "love" (sexual relations)
between men and boys is a good thing. Another problem is that
they are continually trying to sell to the public the idea that
a number of the great men of history were "gays;" but history
also shows that many, if not all, were also pedophiles, and so
compelled by their homosexual pedophilia desires that they threw
caution to the winds and were convicted as homosexual
pedophiles. In fact, if it were not for the convictions, we
would not even know that many of the "greats" were homosexuals.
It is indeed difficult to go in all of these directions at the
same time. Some of their gyrations, like those of Herek, get
downright comical.

Herek knows that some of the greatest researchers on the
relations between homosexuals and youth are Dr. Paul Cameron and
Family Research Institute. So Dr. Herek makes an even more
pitiful attempt to try to refute some of the research done by
them. Herek's whole attack is simply based on his false premise:

Cameron's claims hinge on the fallacious assumption that all
male-male molestations are committed by homosexuals.

In fact Herek's complete arguments and his paper fall apart once
we recognize the falsity of that premise of Herek. To say that a
male-male relationship is not homosexual belies all common sense
and reason, and is contrary to the long recognized and accepted
definitions of both homosexual and pedophile acts.

In Pro-Gay Bias in Study of Pedophilia, the Family Research
Institute fully refutes the methodology of the Herek paper, as
well as others trying to fool the people with their unreasonable
methods of determining whether or not same-sex molestations are
homosexual.[13]

It is interesting how Herek even contradicts himself.
Criticizing the FRC study he stated: "The offenders were not
asked their sexual orientation ... ." Then on the Erickson, et
al, study, Herek states: "The paper asserts in passing that
"Eighty-six percent of [male] offenders against males described
themselves as homosexual or bisexual" (p. 83). However, no
details are provided about how this information was ascertained,
making it difficult to interpret." How ridiculous can you get?
What difference does it make whether they were asked or
volunteered the information? The statement clearly shows that
the information was obtained from the offender.

All reliable researchers recognize that what the offender might
say is not nearly as important as what he does. If they did not
have homosexual (same-sex) desires, and very strongly, they
would not commit the serious crimes of having sex with underage
boys.

All of the restrictions the homosexualists want to put on
interpreting statistics, would practically make it impossible to
make a determination, which is their obvious purpose –
concealment of the facts. It would completely eliminate the main
body of available information, which is the statistics on the
people convicted on same-sex molestations. Going into all of the
silly requirements of Herek and the other homosexualists is not
relevant to the investigation and conviction of the crime of
pedophilia – therefore the records would not contain such
information.

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Contrary to the propaganda of Herek and his bunch, this
unequivocal statement is found on the website of The Sexual
Psychophysiology Laboratory, University of Texas[14 ] :

Recent evidence suggests that pedophilia may be associated with
homosexuality, mental retardation, and high maternal age.
Homosexuality in the general population is estimated at 2% while
homosexuality in pedophiles is estimated at up to 40%. [Emphasis
added]

When a Catholic Priest has sex with a young boy, his sexual
attraction to that boy is indeed great. It is so great that he
flings aside his deep religious vows and commits a felony along
with it. This is exactly what the homosexuals Kirk and Madsen
were talking about in their book, After the Ball, in their
discussion of how great the urge actually is. When discussing
how the failure to resist this same-sex attraction to boys was
the downfall of what they considered the great homosexuals of
history, they said:

When you find a given failing even in a community's best and
brightest, you suspect it's overwhelming prevalence among the
great unwashed. In this context, it's noteworthy that Alan
Turing, Oscar Wilde, and perhaps Leonardo da Vinci—each, in his
own time and unique vein, among the most brilliant minds the gay
community ever produced—all embroiled themselves in serious
legal trouble by carrying on indiscreetly with young men. Da
Vinci stood trial; Wilde was imprisoned, destroying his
personality and career; Turing chemically castrated by order of
the court, killed himself. [Emphasis added.]

[And remarking on the same propensities in so many homosexuals,
generally, they added:]

And on the clay feet of their betters, more humble gays continue
to bumble along.[15]

To the above they could have added another, the great poet, Walt
Whitman:

Although he is celebrated today as a gay poet, Walt Whitman
began his career as a teacher. In 1841 he was denounced from
the pulpit, tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail for
sexual involvement with his male students. (Reynolds, D. C.,
[1995], Walt Whitman's America: a cultural biography, New York:
Knoph.) ...[16]

Even with so much to lose, those "great gays" referred to above
gave in to their same-sex attractions to younger boys, and
suffered the consequences. The Catholic Priests and Scoutmasters
threw their vows and honor to the winds, and engaged in
something they knew they could be put in the penitentiary for.
Their same sex attraction to these young boys had to be
extremely great. It is no wonder that so many of the ones of the
more common homosexuals, who Kirk and Madsen called the "great
unwashed," "bumble along" giving in to the same propensities as
the greater ones.

Dr. Judith Reisman is one of the most widely known and widely
respected researchers on child sexual abuse. She states:

This author’s additional research in this area included a
content analysis of the biographies of 150 famous homosexuals
which yielded a rate of 67% involving man boy sex. It is
similarly typical that early abuse victims tend to similarly
victimize boys at about the same age of their own abuse.[17]
[Emphasis added]

The article by Dr. Timothy J. Dailey should all be carefully
read by those interested in this subject. The most important
parts were ignored completely by Dr. Herek. One of the key parts
he does not cover was about "Victims Turned Victimizers: The
Consequences of Homosexual Child Abuse," (pp. 11-12). It
contains a volume of information consistent with the last
sentence quoted above by Dr. Judith Resiman. These things not
only show relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia, but
bear on what many feel is one of the primary causes of
homosexuality in many boys. Dailey states:

The steadfast denial of the disturbing ties with pedophilia
within the homosexual movement is no purely academic matter.
Perhaps the most tragic aspect of the homosexual-pedophile
connection is the fact that men who sexually molest boys all too
often lead their victims into homosexuality and pedophilia. The
evidence indicates that a high percentage of homosexuals and
pedophiles were themselves sexually abused as children ... .

He gives six studies that irrefutably establish the basis of the
above statement.

Dailey's article also goes at length into the subjects of
Pedophilia in Gay Culture and The Historical Connection Between
Pedophilia and the Gay Rights Movement. (pp. 7-11) He presents
volumes of information on how the promotion of man-boy love has
been an integral part of the homosexual movement, and how they
have worked together to lower the age of consent laws, so that
homosexuals could legally prey on the young. He details much of
the "Gay Literature" that promotes the pedophile theme of man-
boy "love." Most of these things were also covered at length,
from different sources in As We Sodomize America, Relations With
Youth (pp. 52-77). Also Judith Reisman goes into this at length
in her article referred to above.

The following is from a special report of the Traditional Values
Coalition, entitled Exposed: The Next Phase of the Homosexual
Agenda:

In May, 2004, the NGLTF [National Gay Lesbian Task Force]
announced a new alliance with the Woodhull Freedom Foundation
(WFF), a sexual liberation group that seeks to abolish laws
against prostitution; overturn “age of consent” laws protecting
children from adult sexual predators ... .[18]

The following is from an article, Report: Pedophilia more common
among "gays," by writer Jon Dougherty:

The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-
issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing
many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as
loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon
the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor,
not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's
upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."[19]

As an example of just how ridiculous these new would-be
definitions are, let us consider the brutal homosexual rape and
murder of little 13 year old Jesse Dirkhising, in Prairie Grove,
Arkansas, on September 26, 1999, by two homosexual "partners,"
David Don Carpenter and Joshua Brown, in their home.[20] He "was
brutally raped, tortured and murdered -- for fun, for thrills,
for the hell of it." He was raped at least six times by these
men over a period of several hours. First, under the idiotic
definitions of Herek and his bunch, these men could not be
considered pedophiles or child molesters, because the boy had
reached puberty. Secondly, even though the men admittedly lived
together as "lovers," the perpetrators could not even be
considered homosexuals under the new definitions of the
homosexualists, because two qualifications for this are not met:

They were not shown to have an exclusively homosexual adult
sexual orientation.

They were not shown to be men who were primarily sexually
attracted to other adult males.

Another sad thing about the rape and murder of this little 13
year old boy is how the media tried to downplay it, because the
two offenders were homosexuals, as related by the two articles
referred to.

A recent similar case involving the homosexual rape of a child
was reported in Media Blackout Homosexual Attack, Register of
Opinion (Official Publication of Public Advocate), August, 2009.
The article states:

On June 27, 2009 , police arrested Frank Lombard, the associate
director of Duke University's Center for Health Policy for
attempting to sell the body of his 5-year-old adopted son to an
undercover FBI agent posing as another child molester. An open
homosexual, Lombard lived with his "partner" Kenneth Shipp in
Durham North Carolina, where the two homosexuals allegedly
"raised" two adopted boys.

The federal sting operation that led to the arrest revealed that
Lombard ... had broadcast live video of himself on the internet
molesting a child on four separate occasions. Investigators
believe the boy to be his adopted son.

In conversations with undercover agents leading up to the
arrest, Lombard admitted to abusing the child since infancy,
allowing several others to do so as well, and sedating the child
with Benadryl to make the abuse "easier." ...

Even with such a high profile case and sensational crime,
however, all major media networks have suppressed the story. ...

"... We're looking at a child scarred for life. There are no
words for such wickedness."

Lombard , a striking example of the very real correlation
between homosexuality and pedophilia, awaits trial in
Washington, D.C.

For an online story of the above homosexual rapes by Lombard,
see the NewsBusters story.[21]

It cannot be denied, even under the restrictions of the
homosexualists, that Lombard was a pedophile. But, although this
fiend was clearly a homosexual, under these new "rules" of Herek
and his kind, he could not be classified as one for the same
reasons that the fiends who attacked little Jesse Dirkhising
could not be classified as homosexuals under their special rules.

The relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia is
established beyond any reasonable doubt, and those who don't
recognize it are either very misinformed, or are hiding from the
truth. The attempt to cover up these truths by the new
definitions of the homosexualists disintegrates on examination.
Allowing homosexuals to be in positions where they are in
constant contact with young people is both dangerous and
foolhardy, as has been well established by the incidents with
the Catholic Priests and in the Boy Scouts.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

[2] See the section, Relations With Youth, in the book, As we
sodomize America , pp. 52-70, on this website under books.

[3] As We Sodomize America , pp. 53-54. ../Import/As We Sodomize
America.docx

[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Psychology

[5] As We Sodomize America, supra, pp. 150-177.

[6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

[7]
http
://psychology.ucdavis.edu:80/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

[8] As We Sodomize America, supra, pp. 52-77, 541-545.

[9] Ibid.

[10] See the article, Liberal Revisionists Present False History
and Moral Decay, under Articles on this website.

[11] Homosexuality and Child Abuse, by Timothy J. Dailey, PhD. http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/DaileyHomosexualAbuse.htm

[12] As we Sodomize America, supra, pp. 137, 143.

[13] http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/pro-gay-bias-in- study-of-pedophilia/

[14]
http:
//hom
epage
.psy.
utexa
s.edu
/homepage/group/MestonLAB/HTML%20files/Resources_msd_para.htm

[15] As We Sodomize America, supra, p. 52.

[16] Supra, p. 53.

[17] Where are the Arrests of Thousands of Men that Gave AIDS to
Boys?, by Judith A. Reisman, PhD., p. 3. http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/CALIF%20HEARING5.pdf

[18] http://www.traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/PublicSex.pdf

[19] http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

[20]http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14837; http://www.covenantnews.com/dirkhising.htm

http://www.americantraditions.org/Articles/How%20Homosexualists% 20Redefine%20%20Homosexual%20Child%20Molesting.htm
 

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