• Homosexual influenced Palm Springs council votes 3-2 in favor of gun co

    From 43 days since Obama was in office@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 4 03:17:25 2017
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    Palm Springs City Council discussed a controversial firearms
    ordinance Wednesday night that has polarized residents and, if
    approved in its final form, could result in a lawsuit from the
    National Rifle Association.

    The council voted 3-2 in favor of the measure, which will now
    come up for a second reading and final decision at the next
    council meeting.

    According to the measure:

    Residents would have 48 hours -- after its absence was
    discovered -- to report a missing or stolen gun to police;
    In their homes, gun owners will need to disable firearms with a
    trigger lock or keep them in a locked container unless they are
    in their immediate possession; and

    Require those with concealed carry permits who keep a gun in
    their car to keep it in a locked container.

    The proposed ordinance also institutes a fine of up to $1,000
    per day, per violation.

    A total of 23 people spoke on the issue before council Wednesday
    night -- 15 opposed the plan, while eight were in favor.

    Rabbi David Lazar of Temple Isaiah said that since he had lived
    in Israel, he understood the need for guns, but also the danger.
    He encouraged council members to vote in favor of the ordinance.

    “I am a true believer in rights,” Lazar said. “But the greatest
    right is the right to life.”

    Andrew Hirsch, wearing a “Gun Owners for Trump” button,
    presented the council with a copy of the job description for the
    chief of police, pointing out a section that says the chief
    should “analyze problems, identify alternative solutions,
    project consequences of proposed actions and implement
    recommendations in support of goals.”

    He asked council members if they believe they have more
    experience and knowledge about such matters than the city's
    police chief.

    “The prior City Council was known for corruption,” he said.
    “From tonight’s firearms regulation, to Uber/Lyft drivers, to
    the rights of property owners, this City Council is earning a
    hallmark of using its powers to restrict the freedoms of law-
    abiding people.”

    Dori Smith, valley leader of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in
    America, lauded the council for its leadership in putting forth
    this proposal.

    “We’re simply asking for safety first and saving lives,” Smith
    said.

    She talked about incidences of accidental shootings involving
    children who picked up a loaded gun that was left unattended in
    a home or a car. As she talked she held up a picture of 3-year-
    old Alexis Mercer, a Louisiana toddler who shot and killed
    herself last year when her father left a gun out after cleaning
    it.

    Councilman J.R. Roberts said he -- as a gun owner -- supported
    the ordinance.

    “If somebody in a moment of hopelessness when looking for a gun
    in a house, much like youths have in the past, couldn't gain
    access to a gun and doesn't go on a shooting spree with it, it
    was worth it,” Roberts said.

    Councilwoman Ginny Foat said she was uncomfortable voting for a
    law she herself wouldn’t follow. Foat said she keeps a gun in
    her nightstand and had no intention of locking it up.

    "I think it's very difficult to legislate responsibility,” she
    said. “If we can't measure it, what's the point of doing this
    ordinance?"

    Foat and Councilman Chris Mills were the two "nay" votes.

    The issue first came up at a July council meeting and was
    immediately met with protests and scorn from local gun owners
    who said they believed the measure constitutes government
    overreach.

    A lawyer for the NRA sent an open letter to city officials
    warning them to “tread lightly.” The letter referred to numerous
    lawsuits specific California cities have been slapped with after
    those cities passed extensive gun control measures.

    Councilman Geoff Kors said he was not worried about the threat
    of a lawsuit, calling it a “typical tactic.” He said if it came
    to it he believed the city could find pro-bono representation
    to respond to such a suit.

    He stressed the ordinance did not restrict residents' rights to
    have a gun or to keep them on their nightstands to feel safe at
    home.

    “This does not prevent anyone from buying a gun. This does not
    prevent anyone from buying ammunition,” he said. “This is not
    about gun control; this is about gun safety.”

    Conservative radio host Elise Richmond decried the phrase “gun
    safety” as a feel-good term and said she was concerned with
    anything that chipped away at her Second Amendment rights. She
    said she believes the ordinance is redundant and council should
    focus on more pressing issues in the city -- like homelessness --
    and that the ordinance could potentially make people feel less
    safe.

    “A gun is like a parachute,” she said. “If you need one and you
    don’t have one, you’ll never need one again.”

    Richmond also said she believes gun ownership to be a feminist
    issue.

    “Guns empower females,” Richmond said. “Empowering women is
    something I believe in.”

    The original draft of the proposed ordinance, introduced in
    July, was more extensive than what will be considered Wednesday.

    Council members removed various sections that would have
    duplicated recently passed state laws.

    Corinne Kennedy covers the west valley for The Desert Sun. She
    can be reached at Corinne.Kennedy@DesertSun.com, on Twitter at
    @CorinneSKennedy or at 760-778-4625.

    http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/local/palm- springs/2016/09/07/gun-control-showdown-palm-springs-city-
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  • From Wayne@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 4 09:27:29 2017
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    On 3/3/2017 6:17 PM, 43 days since Obama was in office wrote:
    Palm Springs City Council discussed a controversial firearms
    ordinance Wednesday night that has polarized residents and, if
    approved in its final form, could result in a lawsuit from the
    National Rifle Association.

    The council voted 3-2 in favor of the measure, which will now
    come up for a second reading and final decision at the next
    council meeting.

    According to the measure:

    Residents would have 48 hours -- after its absence was
    discovered -- to report a missing or stolen gun to police;
    In their homes, gun owners will need to disable firearms with a
    trigger lock or keep them in a locked container unless they are
    in their immediate possession; and

    Require those with concealed carry permits who keep a gun in
    their car to keep it in a locked container.


    Old news. Final resolution:
    "The four-page ordinance requires any gun lost or stolen to be reported
    to police within 48 hours after the loss is known. Next, firearms in
    residences — including motels and rentals — would have to be secured
    with a trigger lock or otherwise in a locked container when not in
    immediate possession of the owner. Finally, concealed weapons licensees
    in the city could not leave a “concealable firearm” in an unattended
    vehicle unless it was in a locked container or trunk. Violations of any
    of the new laws would result in a $1,000 fine."

    This is a "feel good" ordinance with very little standing with regard to overriding state law. CCW guns in unattended vehicles are already
    required to be in a locked conatiner or trunk.

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