• 5 Truths You're Not Allowed To Say About Gays In America

    From Deanna Earley@21:1/5 to Melvin Tisch on Fri Aug 28 13:11:35 2015
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    On 28/08/2015 08:39, Melvin Tisch wrote:
    http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/06/10/5-truths- youre-not-allowed-to-say-about-gays-in-america-n1849612/page/full

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  • From Melvin Tisch@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 28 09:39:01 2015
    XPost: nyc.politics, soc.culture.usa, dc.politics
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    It's hard to have an honest conversation about gay issues
    because liberals treat anything other than outright celebration
    of all things gay as "hate." That doesn't leave people much room
    to discuss a complicated issue that involves real human beings
    who often have to deal with a lot of challenges because of their
    sexual orientation. If you're a compassionate person, you have
    to feel some sympathy when you talk to people who are closeted
    because they're afraid that their relatives won't accept them or
    someone who feels isolated and alone because his sexual
    orientation makes it impossible for him to have a romantic
    relationship with 98% of the population. Life is hard for most
    of us -- and if you know people who are gay, chances are you
    recognize that it's even harder for them.

    Yet and still, you can't deny reality because there may be a few
    people who don't want to hear it. Sure, you don't want to
    unnecessarily create pain in people's lives, but ultimately,
    nothing creates more misery than abandoning common sense because
    the obvious truth might hurt someone's feelings.

    1) You can't change your gender: Have you ever heard of Body
    Integrity Identity Disorder? Long story short, there are people
    out there who believe they're "supposed to" have less limbs.
    Maybe they want to get rid of an arm or a leg. The "problem"
    these people run into is that surgeons consider it unethical to
    remove a healthy, functioning body part and refuse to saw off
    their limbs. Instead, they just refer these people to a
    psychologist. That seems to make sense, doesn't it?

    Yet, when we have people who want to mutilate themselves to
    "change their sex," we don't treat that as a mental disorder.
    Instead, we take it seriously. So seriously in fact, we have 9
    year olds getting hormone treatments so they can pretend to be
    another gender.

    If a client went to a doctor and said he thought he was a cow,
    we wouldn't send him to a surgeon to get horns and udders
    attached. Yet, you can no more change your sex than you can
    change into a cow. Even if you have a "sex change," your sex
    hasn't actually changed. A man who mutilates himself to look
    like a woman, still isn't female. He can't have a child. Very
    few men are going to knowingly date a man who's surgically
    mutilated himself to look like a woman. This is a terrible,
    horrible thing we're doing as a society to these mentally ill
    people. Instead of getting them the mental help they need, we're
    catering to their pathology. It's cruel, it's wrong, and a more
    compassionate society wouldn't wallow so deeply in political
    correctness that we'd allow people to do this to themselves.

    2) Some people do choose to be gay: Most Americans tend to
    believe that people who are gay either choose it OR are born
    that way. However, the evidence suggests that there tends to
    more of a range of sexual behavior for people who are gay. Some
    people are clearly "born" gay and have always been attracted to
    the same sex just like most heterosexuals are only interested in
    contact with the opposite sex. However, there are also people
    who are more sexually ambiguous and some of them CHOOSE to be
    gay. If you want to see an actual example of that, here's an
    excerpt of an interview I did with lesbian talk show host, Tammy

    John Hawkins: Let me ask a related question to this because I
    thought this was kind of fascinating because it’s so different
    from what you often hear. In the book, you were talking about
    how you came to decide that you wanted to be a lesbian and you
    pretty much framed it in those terms. It was a choice. You were
    attracted to men and women and you chose to — you just liked
    women better — would you say that’s common or….
    Tammy Bruce: Well, it’s difficult to say because it’s so
    politically incorrect to ask these questions. It’s one of the
    reasons why ‘ and I’ve made that discussion in the epilogue ‘ so
    that…parents (could allow) their children (to read) at their
    ...There is such a variety, at least within the community
    itself, …about why women identify as lesbians, but even what
    that means.

    There are a number of women who identify as lesbians, some of
    them, somewhat well-known, have regular liaisons with men.
    …There are some women in the community that you could get to
    know…who’ve experienced violence at the hands of men and have
    turned to women for that reason. There are other women who say
    that they’ve been gay since they’ve been born and that, of
    course, is also politically incorrect to question or to ask them
    how or why they know that.

    If that doesn't convince you, then ask yourself why so many
    "gay" Americans end up with kids?

    In the US, around 37% of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transsexual
    people have a child, about 60% of which are biological.
    In other words, there are a lot of "gay" Americans having enough
    straight sex at some point in their lives to produce a kid.
    Again, it's clear that there are also people who are "born that
    way," but there are an awful lot of gay Americans who don't fall
    into that category.

    3) Conversion therapy is a good thing if people want it: Let me
    say it as clearly as I can: No gay American should be pressured,
    harassed or involuntarily forced to go to therapy to try to
    treat their gayness. That sounds more like brainwashing than
    therapy and it's not something that should be going on in this

    On the other hand, if someone who's gay WANTS to be treated, why
    should he be stopped from seeing a therapist? Granted, it would
    probably be futile for someone who has been attracted to the
    same sex since birth to try to change his orientation via
    counseling, but as we've already noted, not everyone is in that

    There are plenty of "gay" Americans who also feel some
    attraction to the opposite sex. What's wrong with letting them
    get therapy if they want it and think it will make them happier?
    As a psychology major, I can tell you that I've read numerous
    old psychology books that matter-of-factly mention therapists
    successfully treating homosexual patients who then went on to
    date, marry, and have children. Does that mean it worked for
    every patient? Of course, not. No treatment works for everyone.
    But, would it work for some people who want treatment?
    Apparently, it does.

    So, why should this even be a political issue? Because it makes
    some gay people who don't believe they can change or don't want
    to change uncomfortable? Because it might mean they have to tell
    some hopeful relative that, no, that therapy isn't for them?
    That's certainly not a conversation anyone would want to have,
    but it's morally wrong to deny therapy to people who might
    benefit from it because it makes other people uncomfortable.

    4) Gay bullies have become commonplace in America: The biggest
    jerks you will ever run across are people who feel entitled to
    act like creeps because they believe they're victims. A lot of
    gay Americans have had bad experiences with people who've
    treated them poorly because they're gay. It's unfair, it's
    wrong, and it's something that shouldn't happen.

    Unfortunately, a small subset of gay, liberal Americans wear
    their victimhood as a badge and believe it entitles them to
    oppress people who haven't hurt them in any way. The whole idea
    that an unwilling Christian baker or photographer should be
    forced to bake a cake or take pictures at a gay wedding is
    fascistic. It's similarly despicable to try to get people fired
    for opposing gay marriage. The people doing these things aren't
    victims or crusading for civil rights; they're just run-of-the-
    mill ***holes who happen to be waving a rainbow flag.

    5) Gay scoutmasters would be more likely to molest Boy Scouts:
    There's a lot of back and forth on whether gay men are more
    likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals, but in the end, it
    really doesn't matter very much when it comes to the Scouts.

    Why is that?

    Because a teenager in the Boy Scouts shouldn't be spending a lot
    of alone time out in the woods with someone who could
    potentially be attracted to him. This is so basic we don't even
    think about it when teen girls are involved. If a thirty year
    old, strapping male P.E. teacher took a group of 15 year old
    cheerleaders out in the woods, their parents would GO INSANE.
    Incidentally, they'd be right to be upset. Similarly, a gay man
    has no business being in the woods with a bunch of teenage boys.
    In fact, if the Boy Scouts ever allowed gay Scoutmasters in
    their organization, it would kill them as dead as Disco because
    most parents don't want their child spending a lot of alone time
    with an adult who could be sexually attracted to him. In fact,
    that is so obvious it's clear that the people pushing this idea
    the hardest are primarily concerned with destroying the Boy
    Scouts, not enabling "gay rights."

    http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/06/10/5-truths- youre-not-allowed-to-say-about-gays-in-america-n1849612/page/full

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