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It's hard to have an honest conversation about gay issues
because liberals treat anything other than outright celebration
of all things gay as "hate." That doesn't leave people much room
to discuss a complicated issue that involves real human beings
who often have to deal with a lot of challenges because of their
sexual orientation. If you're a compassionate person, you have
to feel some sympathy when you talk to people who are closeted
because they're afraid that their relatives won't accept them or
someone who feels isolated and alone because his sexual
orientation makes it impossible for him to have a romantic
relationship with 98% of the population. Life is hard for most
of us -- and if you know people who are gay, chances are you
recognize that it's even harder for them.
Yet and still, you can't deny reality because there may be a few
people who don't want to hear it. Sure, you don't want to
unnecessarily create pain in people's lives, but ultimately,
nothing creates more misery than abandoning common sense because
the obvious truth might hurt someone's feelings.
1) You can't change your gender: Have you ever heard of Body
Integrity Identity Disorder? Long story short, there are people
out there who believe they're "supposed to" have less limbs.
Maybe they want to get rid of an arm or a leg. The "problem"
these people run into is that surgeons consider it unethical to
remove a healthy, functioning body part and refuse to saw off
their limbs. Instead, they just refer these people to a
psychologist. That seems to make sense, doesn't it?
Yet, when we have people who want to mutilate themselves to
"change their sex," we don't treat that as a mental disorder.
Instead, we take it seriously. So seriously in fact, we have 9
year olds getting hormone treatments so they can pretend to be
another gender.
If a client went to a doctor and said he thought he was a cow,
we wouldn't send him to a surgeon to get horns and udders
attached. Yet, you can no more change your sex than you can
change into a cow. Even if you have a "sex change," your sex
hasn't actually changed. A man who mutilates himself to look
like a woman, still isn't female. He can't have a child. Very
few men are going to knowingly date a man who's surgically
mutilated himself to look like a woman. This is a terrible,
horrible thing we're doing as a society to these mentally ill
people. Instead of getting them the mental help they need, we're
catering to their pathology. It's cruel, it's wrong, and a more
compassionate society wouldn't wallow so deeply in political
correctness that we'd allow people to do this to themselves.
2) Some people do choose to be gay: Most Americans tend to
believe that people who are gay either choose it OR are born
that way. However, the evidence suggests that there tends to
more of a range of sexual behavior for people who are gay. Some
people are clearly "born" gay and have always been attracted to
the same sex just like most heterosexuals are only interested in
contact with the opposite sex. However, there are also people
who are more sexually ambiguous and some of them CHOOSE to be
gay. If you want to see an actual example of that, here's an
excerpt of an interview I did with lesbian talk show host, Tammy
Bruce.
John Hawkins: Let me ask a related question to this because I
thought this was kind of fascinating because it’s so different
from what you often hear. In the book, you were talking about
how you came to decide that you wanted to be a lesbian and you
pretty much framed it in those terms. It was a choice. You were
attracted to men and women and you chose to — you just liked
women better — would you say that’s common or….
Tammy Bruce: Well, it’s difficult to say because it’s so
politically incorrect to ask these questions. It’s one of the
reasons why ‘ and I’ve made that discussion in the epilogue ‘ so
that…parents (could allow) their children (to read) at their
discretion.
...There is such a variety, at least within the community
itself, …about why women identify as lesbians, but even what
that means.
There are a number of women who identify as lesbians, some of
them, somewhat well-known, have regular liaisons with men.
…There are some women in the community that you could get to
know…who’ve experienced violence at the hands of men and have
turned to women for that reason. There are other women who say
that they’ve been gay since they’ve been born and that, of
course, is also politically incorrect to question or to ask them
how or why they know that.
If that doesn't convince you, then ask yourself why so many
"gay" Americans end up with kids?
In the US, around 37% of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transsexual
people have a child, about 60% of which are biological.
In other words, there are a lot of "gay" Americans having enough
straight sex at some point in their lives to produce a kid.
Again, it's clear that there are also people who are "born that
way," but there are an awful lot of gay Americans who don't fall
into that category.
3) Conversion therapy is a good thing if people want it: Let me
say it as clearly as I can: No gay American should be pressured,
harassed or involuntarily forced to go to therapy to try to
treat their gayness. That sounds more like brainwashing than
therapy and it's not something that should be going on in this
country.
On the other hand, if someone who's gay WANTS to be treated, why
should he be stopped from seeing a therapist? Granted, it would
probably be futile for someone who has been attracted to the
same sex since birth to try to change his orientation via
counseling, but as we've already noted, not everyone is in that
boat.
There are plenty of "gay" Americans who also feel some
attraction to the opposite sex. What's wrong with letting them
get therapy if they want it and think it will make them happier?
As a psychology major, I can tell you that I've read numerous
old psychology books that matter-of-factly mention therapists
successfully treating homosexual patients who then went on to
date, marry, and have children. Does that mean it worked for
every patient? Of course, not. No treatment works for everyone.
But, would it work for some people who want treatment?
Apparently, it does.
So, why should this even be a political issue? Because it makes
some gay people who don't believe they can change or don't want
to change uncomfortable? Because it might mean they have to tell
some hopeful relative that, no, that therapy isn't for them?
That's certainly not a conversation anyone would want to have,
but it's morally wrong to deny therapy to people who might
benefit from it because it makes other people uncomfortable.
4) Gay bullies have become commonplace in America: The biggest
jerks you will ever run across are people who feel entitled to
act like creeps because they believe they're victims. A lot of
gay Americans have had bad experiences with people who've
treated them poorly because they're gay. It's unfair, it's
wrong, and it's something that shouldn't happen.
Unfortunately, a small subset of gay, liberal Americans wear
their victimhood as a badge and believe it entitles them to
oppress people who haven't hurt them in any way. The whole idea
that an unwilling Christian baker or photographer should be
forced to bake a cake or take pictures at a gay wedding is
fascistic. It's similarly despicable to try to get people fired
for opposing gay marriage. The people doing these things aren't
victims or crusading for civil rights; they're just run-of-the-
mill ***holes who happen to be waving a rainbow flag.
5) Gay scoutmasters would be more likely to molest Boy Scouts:
There's a lot of back and forth on whether gay men are more
likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals, but in the end, it
really doesn't matter very much when it comes to the Scouts.
Why is that?
Because a teenager in the Boy Scouts shouldn't be spending a lot
of alone time out in the woods with someone who could
potentially be attracted to him. This is so basic we don't even
think about it when teen girls are involved. If a thirty year
old, strapping male P.E. teacher took a group of 15 year old
cheerleaders out in the woods, their parents would GO INSANE.
Incidentally, they'd be right to be upset. Similarly, a gay man
has no business being in the woods with a bunch of teenage boys.
In fact, if the Boy Scouts ever allowed gay Scoutmasters in
their organization, it would kill them as dead as Disco because
most parents don't want their child spending a lot of alone time
with an adult who could be sexually attracted to him. In fact,
that is so obvious it's clear that the people pushing this idea
the hardest are primarily concerned with destroying the Boy
Scouts, not enabling "gay rights."
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/06/10/5-truths- youre-not-allowed-to-say-about-gays-in-america-n1849612/page/full
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