• Caffeine anyone?

    From Ed Prochak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 22 14:28:20 2018
    I was wondering if anyone knew of research of caffeine effects on running performance. Maybe we could get a little group experiment together?

    I think it may help but I am curious as to how much.


    Enjoy the run.
    Ed

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  • From rms@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 8 20:26:20 2018
    I was wondering if anyone knew of research of caffeine effects on running >performance. Maybe we could get a little group experiment together?

    Look at Matt Fitzgerald's book _The New Rules of Marathon & HM
    Nutrition_, in the pre-race section he discusses caffeine and acetaminaphen
    & beet juice (recommending all of them), with studies listed.

    rms

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  • From Ed Prochak@21:1/5 to rms on Tue Feb 13 10:34:40 2018
    On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:44:45 PM UTC-5, rms wrote:
    I was wondering if anyone knew of research of caffeine effects on running >performance. Maybe we could get a little group experiment together?

    Look at Matt Fitzgerald's book _The New Rules of Marathon & HM Nutrition_, in the pre-race section he discusses caffeine and acetaminaphen
    & beet juice (recommending all of them), with studies listed.

    rms

    Thanks for the lead.
    Ed

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  • From Simi@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 11:48:31 2018
    'rms[_3_ Wrote:
    ;635836']I was wondering if anyone knew of research of caffeine effects
    on running -
    performance. Maybe we could get a little group experiment together?-

    Look at Matt Fitzgerald's book _The New Rules of Marathon & HM
    Nutrition_, in the pre-race section he discusses caffeine and
    acetaminaphen
    & beet juice (recommending all of them), with studies listed.

    rms

    I can't live without coffee, and I've read a bunch of materials about
    all the advantages that coffee brings to us. But I'm also curious about
    the experiment that you've mentioned.
    So how do you propose the way we manage this experiment? Happy to go
    along with you :)




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    Simi

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  • From Ed Prochak@21:1/5 to Simi on Tue Feb 27 14:14:17 2018
    On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:43:08 AM UTC-5, Simi wrote:
    'rms[_3_ Wrote:
    ;635836']I was wondering if anyone knew of research of caffeine effects
    on running -
    performance. Maybe we could get a little group experiment together?-

    Look at Matt Fitzgerald's book _The New Rules of Marathon & HM
    Nutrition_, in the pre-race section he discusses caffeine and
    acetaminaphen
    & beet juice (recommending all of them), with studies listed.

    rms

    I can't live without coffee, and I've read a bunch of materials about
    all the advantages that coffee brings to us. But I'm also curious about
    the experiment that you've mentioned.
    So how do you propose the way we manage this experiment? Happy to go
    along with you :)




    --
    Simi

    I was hoping a number of people would respond, but even if it is
    only a few of us, I'm game. I am looking for a motivator to get
    me back to a regular running routine. 8^)

    So I think the test can be fairly simple: runs with and without
    coffee/caffeine drinks.

    I normally drink decaf coffee, but not for any serious medical
    reasons.

    So the trial runs with and without caffeine need to be consistent.
    We will need to run the same course, with weather recorded as a factor. Preferably same or similar events leading up to each test run. Same or
    similar dinner the night before. Same pre-run routine.


    I am not a biologist or physiologist, so all I know is the
    test runs need some repeatability. How about this:
    We each pick a day that you have a routine run.
    I think we need 3 variations:
    1. Drink regular coffee before run.
    2. Drink decaf coffee before run.
    3. Drink water before run.

    same volumes for consistency.
    I drink it black so no sugar or cream calories to filter
    out of the analysis.

    And maybe to eliminate or reduce training improvements
    as a factor, we repeat those three variations in different
    order over time?
    So a plan with one run same distance same day of
    the week with the pre-run drink as
    3 2 1 2 3 1 3 2 3 1 2 1 3
    I took each pair of drinks (6 combinations) and put them in
    in an order with no drink repeated one week to the next. but
    that works out to 13 weeks.

    Or is a 7 week mix better?
    3 1 3 2 1 2 3
    This is the shortest that covers all 6 pairs of orderings,
    but gives an extra week to drink 3.

    So we report our results here in the group each week.

    What do you think of this? We could begin soon, once we agree.
    Let's commit to the shorter plan for now. The longer plan just
    repeats the combinations so they are all covered twice. We could
    add those later.

    ----->> Does anyone else want to join? <<------

    Enjoy the run.
    Ed.

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  • From rms@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 9 07:05:34 2018
    So I think the test can be fairly simple: runs with and without >coffee/caffeine drinks.

    Fitzgerald's book mentions it takes a 'drying-out' period of a week for caffeine to once again have an ergogenic effect, keep that in mind!

    rms

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  • From Ed Prochak@21:1/5 to rms on Wed Mar 14 06:43:35 2018
    On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 9:07:25 AM UTC-5, rms wrote:
    So I think the test can be fairly simple: runs with and without >coffee/caffeine drinks.

    Fitzgerald's book mentions it takes a 'drying-out' period of a week for caffeine to once again have an ergogenic effect, keep that in mind!

    rms

    Guess I better order that book!

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