• Training week ending 02/12/18

    From Tim+@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 2 19:07:06 2018
    Welcome wreck runners. Tell us about your training week and goals.

    Tim
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  • From Tim+@21:1/5 to tim.downie@gmail.com on Mon Dec 3 08:35:31 2018
    Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
    Welcome wreck runners. Tell us about your training week and goals.


    Mon: 6.5 mile trails. Had a Strava segment recording ruined by low
    flying aircraft!

    Tue: 9.6 miles. Warm up, 1*1.5 miles + 4*0.75 miles, cool down.

    Wed: rest

    Thu: 5.3 miles easy

    Fri: 3K time trial. Never raced 3K before. Pretty competitive
    field. Just missed going sub-12 (I ran 12:02) but it was windy
    and rainy so perhaps not too surprising. Only *just* made the top
    half of the field with that time. 63rd of 127 runners.

    Sat: 3 miles "Marcothon" run

    Sun: Hungover. Another 3 mile Marcothon.

    Entered two more races for 2019, a 65K trail/hill ultra in
    February and a 43 mile trail ultra in August.

    Tim


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  • From rms@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 3 11:30:13 2018
    Entered two more races for 2019, a 65K trail/hill ultra in
    February and a 43 mile trail ultra in August.

    I'm not sure what my situation will be next year, so I'm leery about signing up to anything. I sort of want to put into the LT100 lottery, just
    to have a goal to point at.

    rms

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  • From Tim+@21:1/5 to rms on Tue Dec 4 18:52:05 2018
    "rms" <rsquiresMOO@MOOyossmanMOO.net> Wrote in message:
    Entered two more races for 2019, a 65K trail/hill ultra in
    February and a 43 mile trail ultra in August.

    I'm not sure what my situation will be next year, so I'm leery about signing up to anything. I sort of want to put into the LT100 lottery, just to have a goal to point at.

    rms



    You definitely should. Training is much more fun with a goal. I
    hadn't checked out the Leadville route until today. Never done an
    out and back before but it beats the pants off of anything with
    laps in my opinion.
    Lots of fun altitude to make things a bit harder too. ;-)

    Might put that one on my "to do" list one day.

    Tim
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  • From ken@21:1/5 to rms on Fri Dec 7 18:24:18 2018
    On 03/12/18 18:30, rms wrote:
    Entered two more races for 2019, a 65K trail/hill ultra in
    February and a 43 mile trail ultra in August.

       I'm not sure what my situation will be next year, so I'm leery about signing up to anything.  I sort of want to put into the LT100 lottery,
    just to have a goal to point at.

    rms


    My memories may help to motivate you.

    1. I felt completely shattered by the time I got to Fish Hatcheries
    (Before the serious climbing had eve started)

    2. Every time I put an anorak on the rain stopped. Every time I took it
    off the rain resumed. To make matters worse my pack wasn't really large
    enough for the kit that I was carrying so packing my anorak into it was
    not a trivial task.

    3. Going up Hope Pass a number of runners lying about. They didn't
    appear to be just pausing for rest, they had that look about them that suggested they were going to be thee for a long time. First Aid teams
    rushing up to them. There but for the grace of God..

    4. Approaching the top there is only one thing that any one is thinking
    about. Can I make the top before passing the race leader coming the
    other way? I'm getting close, keep moving, I can do this. But then the
    naked runner comes storming past. I call out "good job" and then in an undertone "bastard". More runners coming, two, three, four, five, six,
    oh forget it.

    5. At last, the ghost town checkpoint. Technically, I can still get a
    sub 25, but only if I do a near even split, which I know I won't.

    6. Going back along the road. That's funny, it was uphill coming in. Why
    is it uphill again coming out. I'd swear that as I came in I was walking
    and the runners coming the other way were walking. Why am I walking
    coming out, and the runners coming in are running.

    7. The return up to Hope Past (not so far to climb on the way back).

    Those runners coming the other way are going strong. It won't be long
    before they overtake me.

    A bit further up. Those runners coming the other way are doing all
    right. I bet they overtake me before I get to the top of this.

    A bit further up. They will probably overtake me eventually, but I
    reckon I can get to the top first.

    A bit further up. Those runners are cutting it a bit fine for the half
    way cut off. I hope they are going to be all right.

    A bit further up. Those runners definitely need to get a move on or
    they've missed it.

    And finally: They've missed the dead line. I know it and I can see from
    the expressions on their faces that they know it. Nevertheless, they are generous spirited enough to call out "good job" (translates into English
    as "well done") to those of us on the way up, and it is difficult to
    know what to say back that won't sound supercilious.

    8. Getting to the top and looking down on a sea of tents and llamas (the
    aid station is 150 ft below the summit). It is the most beautiful sight
    in the world. I know at least that I can definitely finish (not
    necessarily in time)

    9. Hope Pass is easier on the way back but Sugarloaf is harder. You
    know that what you can see is not the top. Not that you can see anything
    much in the dark anyway. Just as well.

    10. Bottom of Sugarloaf, it's all easy running from here. But there is a problem. I've shot my quads and I can't run.

    11. It's downhill, an easy gravel track, but I'm having to walk.
    Everyone overtaking me.

    12. At last the finish, a dead straight road, I can see the finish half
    about a mile ahead. I manage to walk fast enough to overtake somebody
    running. I feel guilty about it as I sneaked up on him while he was
    talking to his wife who had gone out to meet him.

    13. Suddenly, it is all over. It finishes ti the town so I don't have to
    drive a vehicle with my eyelids propped up with matchsticks.

    Its a good race, well worth doing, but fairly hard in my opinion for the
    number of hours to finish in, so I wouldn't recommend it as a first
    hundred. In any case there are many other hundreds that don't have a
    lottery, though possibly not having as much razzmatazz as Leadville.




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  • From Tim+@21:1/5 to ken on Fri Dec 7 19:26:19 2018
    ken <ken@doombox.net> Wrote in message:
    On 03/12/18 18:30, rms wrote:
    Entered two more races for 2019, a 65K trail/hill ultra in
    February and a 43 mile trail ultra in August.

    I'm not sure what my situation will be next year, so I'm leery about
    signing up to anything. I sort of want to put into the LT100 lottery,
    just to have a goal to point at.

    .
    <Snip>

    Its a good race, well worth doing, but fairly hard in my opinion for the number of hours to finish in, so I wouldn't recommend it as a first
    hundred. In any case there are many other hundreds that don't have a
    lottery, though possibly not having as much razzmatazz as Leadville.


    Thanks for that Ken. Enjoyed your account.

    Tim


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  • From rms@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 11 11:51:53 2018
    LT100 lottery,
    My memories may help to motivate you.

    haha! Very nice, Ken. I actually have completed 2 100s in the past,
    the last RRR a few years back, and have started Lt100 once. I carefully
    read and reread a popular internet guide to finishing it -- which especially emphasized constant eating -- and got to the ~40mile mark (the last
    aidstation before the river crossing and big climbs) at around 9.5hrs, about 1hr under the cutoff, and was actually feeling very good. But I had a
    mental failure here, and dropped out of fear that -- having brought no
    crew -- if I did miss a cutoff later on I'd be stranded on the course with
    no way back. A mite irrational I know, and I'm still disappointed in myself for that. Besides that, I was very pleased with my experience there; as you know Lifetime got all kinds of bad press in previous years by overexpanding
    the field, with litter & traffic etc issues. I saw none of that in my race, and they'd done a great job cleaning their act up. The weather (this was a couple years ago) was ideal, cool&no rain, so yeah I blew a perfect chance
    for a finish :)

    rms

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  • From ken@21:1/5 to rms on Thu Dec 13 11:46:02 2018
    I understand how easy it is to get spooked by these considerations.

    Had you got as far as the ghost town turn round point (Winfield?) there
    would have been a large number of retirements there, and you would have
    been bound to have a got lift with one of the other retirees.

    I presume the place you retired was Twin Lakes, which you say is 40
    miles into the course but only about 15-20 miles from Leadville by road.
    Had you got back as far as Fish Hatcheries you would only have been 5
    miles from Leadville by road. Retiring on top of Hope Pass would be inconvenient, you might have to ride down on a Llama!

    I don't know what RRR is, unless it is Rocky. In the Uk it would stand
    for Rowbotham's Round Rotherham. If you have a thing about out and back
    courses there are a couple in South Dakota that might interest you. One
    is Lean Horse which is easy. (You have to go past a monstrosity where a mountain is being demolished to create a statue of a red indian warrior
    who I feel would be scandalised if he got to see it) The other is
    Blackhills which is not easy but within the abilities of anyone who can
    do Leadville. But whereas Leadville has two river crossings (one out
    and one back) this has 10 (5 out and 5 back) so if being up to thigh
    deep in water is not your thing, you have been warned. (They do have
    guide ropes).

    I didn't know about the bad press. I was aware that the organisers had
    sold the event and it had become unambiguously commercial. I suspect
    that part of the problem is that the town Leadville makes a lot of money
    from the events, but nearby communities get the inconvenience without
    any of the money.






    On 11/12/18 18:51, rms wrote:
    LT100 lottery,
    My memories may help to motivate you.

       haha!  Very nice, Ken.  I actually have completed 2 100s in the
    past, the last RRR a few years back, and have started Lt100 once.  I carefully read and reread a popular internet guide to finishing it --
    which especially emphasized constant eating -- and got to the ~40mile
    mark (the last aidstation before the river crossing and big climbs) at
    around 9.5hrs, about 1hr under the cutoff, and was actually feeling very good.  But I had a mental failure here, and dropped out of fear that -- having brought no crew -- if I did miss a cutoff later on I'd be
    stranded on the course with no way back.  A mite irrational I know, and
    I'm still disappointed in myself for that.  Besides that, I was very
    pleased with my experience there; as you know Lifetime got all kinds of
    bad press in previous years by overexpanding the field, with litter &
    traffic etc issues.  I saw none of that in my race, and they'd done a
    great job cleaning their act up.  The weather (this was a couple years
    ago) was ideal, cool&no rain, so yeah I blew a perfect chance for a
    finish :)

    rms



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  • From ken@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 13 11:47:04 2018
    On 07/12/18 19:26, Tim+ wrote:
    ken <ken@doombox.net> Wrote in message:
    On 03/12/18 18:30, rms wrote:
    Entered two more races for 2019, a 65K trail/hill ultra in
    February and a 43 mile trail ultra in August.

    I'm not sure what my situation will be next year, so I'm leery about >>> signing up to anything. I sort of want to put into the LT100 lottery,
    just to have a goal to point at.

    .
    <Snip>

    Its a good race, well worth doing, but fairly hard in my opinion for the
    number of hours to finish in, so I wouldn't recommend it as a first
    hundred. In any case there are many other hundreds that don't have a
    lottery, though possibly not having as much razzmatazz as Leadville.


    Thanks for that Ken. Enjoyed your account.

    Tim


    Thanks Tim. I wish you well with your ultras.

    Ken

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