• Re: G4/214 Geloso problems

    From Manuel Alberto Marques@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 22 14:11:19 2022
    A quarta-feira, 28 de março de 2012 à(s) 08:22:50 UTC+1, fr...@notvalid.it escreveu:
    w4...@cox.net <w4...@cox.net> wrote:

    Frank,that is a nice looking receiver,,,It is double conversion..Two
    6BE6 tubes in mixers. your problem could be one of the oscillators
    indeed it was, during the resistor check & replacement I had made a bad solder join to the first mixer's LO input... soldering back that connection solved pretty much all of the problems.
    The receiver is however quite deaf by today's standards even after a full realignment.
    not running...If you have a scope or counter ,probe pin 1 on both 6BE6
    's should show a healthy osc signal on both..If no scope or counter,
    you can use an auxillary receiver to tune to osc freqs,the manual
    may show these freqs..On this old stuff it`s good idea to test all
    tubes ,make sure that they are good..Good Luck 73 Harold W4PQW
    Yes I have some test equipment, I just started to scope around for signals and found the missing first LO signal. It seems to me that the xtal oscillators for the second conversion have a bit low signal output. Maybe bad tube?

    Thanks a lot
    Frank IZ8DWF

    Hi Frank
    I'm also restoring my old G4/214 (from my dad)
    I think i'm almost there ...
    Finally I got the Transformer rewound, after Burnt out primary winding
    I already put the transformer and connected the ends in the circuit-
    In the end there was no smoke and everything looked normal.
    I have reception, but the audio is too low.
    I noticed that the 11-valve audio amplifier (12AX7) is working very poorly (the tube is NEW) and the V8 BFO (also the 12AX7 is new) will not turn on.
    I measured the voltage and it's about 5,2.Volts,. I measured with the analog multimeter the electrolytic capacitor 25uF 30 volts and it seemed good
    Is it possible to make any suggestion where i should work?
    Thanks for your help
    Marq CT1BWW

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  • From Manuel Alberto Marques@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 22 14:04:15 2022
    A terça-feira, 20 de março de 2012 à(s) 17:46:30 UTC, fr...@notvalid.it escreveu:
    Hi all, I'm repairing an old Geloso G4/214 receiver.
    I checked and subsituted (only the ones checking bad) capacitors, resistors and solid state diodes.
    All tubes have been tested with an emission tube tester.
    Potentiometers and switches have been cleaned.

    The set appears to have been tweaked by someone else so the repair doesn't seem easy at a first glance.
    However here're the symptoms, I think they are unrelated but I can't be very sure anyway.

    1) no reception on any band, there's not the slightest crack or change of background noise even when touching the antenna connectors.
    2) USB and LSB positions give a loud AC noise on the speaker but the AM position gives "normal" background hiss and not the slightest hint of AC noise.

    Next step will be injecting a signal on the antenna socket and try to follow it through the various stages but I ask here anyway if these symptoms ring the experts a bell maybe.

    Thanks in advance and best regards.

    Frank IZ8DWF

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  • From Manuel Alberto Marques@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 22 14:15:34 2022
    Hi all, I'm repairing an old Geloso G4/214 receiver.(from my dad)
    I think i' almost there...
    Finally I got the Transformer rewound, afert Burnt out primary winding
    I already put the transformer and connected the ends in the circuit-
    In the end there was no smoke and everything looked normal.
    I have reception, but the audio is too low.
    I noticed that the 11-valve audio amplifier (12AX7) is working very poorly (the tube is NEW) and the V8 BFO (also the 12AX7 is new) will not turn on.
    I measured the voltage and it's about 5.2 Volts, I measured with the analog multimeter the electrolytic capacitor 25uF 30 volts and it seemed good
    Is it possible to make a suggestion wherw i shoulkd work?
    Thanks in advance and Kind Regards

    Marq CT1BWW

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to ct1bww@gmail.com on Mon Aug 22 22:33:52 2022
    Manuel Alberto Marques <ct1bww@gmail.com> wrote:
    I'm also restoring my old G4/214 (from my dad)
    I think i'm almost there ...
    Finally I got the Transformer rewound, after Burnt out primary winding
    I already put the transformer and connected the ends in the circuit-
    In the end there was no smoke and everything looked normal.
    I have reception, but the audio is too low.
    I noticed that the 11-valve audio amplifier (12AX7) is working very poorly = >(the tube is NEW) and the V8 BFO (also the 12AX7 is new) will not turn on.
    I measured the voltage and it's about 5,2.Volts,. I measured with the analo= >g multimeter the electrolytic capacitor 25uF 30 volts and it seemed good
    Is it possible to make any suggestion where i should work?
    Thanks for your help

    Cathode bypass electrolytics are almost always bad... just replace it, and
    then check the cathode and grid voltages. If the grid voltage is in any way above ground, also suspect the coupling capacitor driving it.
    --scott
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    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From i3hev, mario@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Thu Aug 25 10:37:19 2022
    On 23/08/2022 0.33, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Manuel Alberto Marques <ct1bww@gmail.com> wrote:
    I'm also restoring my old G4/214 (from my dad)
    I think i'm almost there ...
    Finally I got the Transformer rewound, after Burnt out primary winding
    I already put the transformer and connected the ends in the circuit-
    In the end there was no smoke and everything looked normal.
    I have reception, but the audio is too low.
    I noticed that the 11-valve audio amplifier (12AX7) is working very poorly = >> (the tube is NEW) and the V8 BFO (also the 12AX7 is new) will not turn on. >> I measured the voltage and it's about 5,2.Volts,. I measured with the analo= >> g multimeter the electrolytic capacitor 25uF 30 volts and it seemed good
    Is it possible to make any suggestion where i should work?
    Thanks for your help

    Cathode bypass electrolytics are almost always bad... just replace it, and then check the cathode and grid voltages. If the grid voltage is in any way above ground, also suspect the coupling capacitor driving it.
    --scott

    +1

    Moreover, deep clean and check all switches - they are likely culprits
    too :)

    '73
    i3hev, mario



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