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IARU: more crap
Posted: 24 Dec 2021 02:56 AM PST https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2021/12/iaru-more-crap.html
IARU Region 1 seems to have been busy of late with what it describes as taking control of the future of amateur radio, rather than being
controlled by the future.
This is a very good idea. But I'm not sure IARU has carried it off.
Indeed, the outcome of this exercise, which involved a large number of member societies, seems to end-up repeating the same old rubbish that
we've heard coming from the mouths of rich, retired white people for decades.
Consider, for example, this sentence:"Amateur radio is seen to be
providing social, economic, educational,and other benefits to
society"Well, at an individual level, I suppose there are certainly
social and educational benefits. But to society as a whole? I'm not so sure. And who does IARU believe 'sees' radio to be like this?
Certainly not the general public. Using the words 'other benefits' is nebulous, and weak.
If you ask a person in the street, or they come across you whilst out portable, amongst the public, then I can very confidently say that about
95% of them could not tell you a single thing about amateur radio.
Most, feeling pressed to say anything at all, will tend to blurt-out the words 'CB, is it?' And there, I think, is the main battlefront for
amateur radio: its sheer unknown-ness to the general public.That's not
to say the public aren't interested; I think they very much are. A lot
of retired-age people who come to talk to me when they see me out on the coast will say how much their young grandchildren would enjoy having a
go at radio. They go on to say it would be a lot better than staring at
a mobile phone. Of course, they're absolutely right!
If you don't slap CB down when the public mention it as something they remember from the dim past about radio, then they are much more likely
to take longer to talk to you about it. I often say 'I started off
after a period with CB.' And that was true for very many of us older
than about 50 years today.
It's also true that a fair number of people seeing an antenna will try
to see what's going on, but won't engage and won't come to ask. They
mumble with one another that it's probably something illegal, or wonder whether the operator has permission to put an antenna up in such a
beautiful spot.
This is almost certainly stoked by the idea amongst the public that
amateur radio operators are socially withdrawn, 'anorak' types who lock themselves away in man-sheds. And let's be honest, a lot of us are like that. We may not be unfriendly, but we can certainly appear to be. In
the UK, certainly, amateur radio was widely held for decades by
participants to set them apart from - and above - the rest of society.
The need to pass a fairly involved, 90 minute, largely electronics-based examination, plus the mystique of knowing Morse code, essential until
very recently to get onto the HF bands, made these people, they
imagined, 'special'. A large fraction of the radio community back then
were well-paid career electronics workers who could afford and/or build
their ham equipment. This just reinforced their separation from the
general population. These attitudes were quite effective in isolating
amateur radio from the general public, who were even seen as unwelcome threats to the hobby when they came to it via the CB route.
IARU goes on, inevitably, to claim that:"Amateur radio is seen as a
welcoming and accessible activity for people of all ages, backgrounds, genders, and ethnicities, providing fun, social community and personal development" Well, I had to laugh at that! Considering that 50% of humanity is female, there are essentially no women in amateur radio.
Ethnic minorities are seriously under-represented in countries like the
UK and the US, especially when it comes to positions in radio
societies. I don't think that women and ethnic minorities find amateur radio welcoming at all. If they did, they would be participating. I
also found the following rather odd, to the point of surely being wholly false:"Amateur radio has an extensive media presence from its
accessibility to new entrants to its high value technical and scientific contribution".Does it? I can only recall one mainstream media article
about amateur radio in the past several years. Even then, where the BBC tried to present a positive image for us, it was entitled 'The very particular world of amateur radio'. You can still watch it here, and
I'll let you sit back, imagine you're a non-amateur radio person, and
think: 'is this really painting a good picture of us, or just
lightheartedly reinforcing what the public think of us already?' Or,
maybe more usefully: 'will this encourage more people to rush out and
join up?'I'm not at all persuaded that IARU has a strategy that will
work for the future. Reading through their list of 'Strategic
Objectives', you find that they are not so much aims for the future, but simply statements of how some contributors to the exercise see amateur
radio today - or, actually, how it was, a long time ago. This feeling
is only made worse when you look at the flowchart under 'What happens
now?', which seems like a recipe for more committees or something.For my money, I would make these suggestions to IARU:(1) Recognise that the management of radio societies are typically highly skewed in terms of ethnicity, age, gender and socio-economic security. They are highly unrepresentative of society as a whole, and unlikely to understand why
people not like them are not joining the hobby. Indeed, they are
unlikely to perceive, or reject the case, that there is any problem at
all. The problems begin here.
(2) The perception of amateur radio that matters isn't found from within
the existing amateur radio population itself. Rather, to ensure the
future of amateur radio, and to break down the clear, existing barriers
to participation, we need to ask the general public what they think of
us. Only then can we find out where the negative impressions of our
hobby lie (although many of us can readily tell you this!)(3) Stop
claiming things about amateur radio that have little foundation in
reality. More especially, stop claiming that a reasonable justification
for amateur radio's value is found in 'emergency communications'. Of
couse, radio can provide some relief in emergencies. It's just that, in practice, almost nobody involved in the hobby will ever use radio in
this way. I doubt most people who may be interested in joining would
want to do so to pretend being some kind of emergency responder in a
yellow jacket, anyway.(4) The claim that amateur radio provides skilled people to industry is almost certainly false inasmuch as it is in any
way a good reason to support radio. We all know that radio is overwhelmingly a hobby of the ageing male population. Those aren't working-age people of value to industry, although they are by no means without value in terms of teaching others, for example.(5) Be honest
about where we stand. We're seen as rather odd, highly-technical and anti-social people who hide away in sheds, surrounded by
incomprehensible electronic stuff. We won't appeal to a new generation
of enthusiasts unless we tackle these images first. There are plenty of other things to tackle, too. The UK regulator, OFCOM, for example, has next-to-no interest in the amateur service. A year ago, it imposed
complex and wholly needless EM safety regulations in response to panic amongst the ignorant public about 5G internet. When asked, absolutely nobody, including OFCOM, were able to provide scientific evidence that provided a basis for their imposition of these ridiculous rules. There
is no point having a strategy for amateur radio when regulators just
stamp their feet at random, with no basis for their actions, and
seemingly nobody being able to challenge them.
On 25/12/2021 12:33, MW1CFN via rec.radio.amateur.moderated Admin wrote:
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IARU: more crap
Posted: 24 Dec 2021 02:56 AM PST
https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2021/12/iaru-more-crap.html
IARU Region 1 seems to have been busy of late with what it describes as
taking control of the future of amateur radio, rather than being
controlled by the future.
This is a very good idea. But I'm not sure IARU has carried it off.
Indeed, the outcome of this exercise, which involved a large number of
member societies, seems to end-up repeating the same old rubbish that
we've heard coming from the mouths of rich, retired white people for
decades.
Consider, for example, this sentence:"Amateur radio is seen to be
providing social, economic, educational,and other benefits to
society"Well, at an individual level, I suppose there are certainly
social and educational benefits. But to society as a whole? I'm not so
sure. And who does IARU believe 'sees' radio to be like this?
Certainly not the general public. Using the words 'other benefits' is
nebulous, and weak.
If you ask a person in the street, or they come across you whilst out
portable, amongst the public, then I can very confidently say that about
95% of them could not tell you a single thing about amateur radio.
Most, feeling pressed to say anything at all, will tend to blurt-out the
words 'CB, is it?' And there, I think, is the main battlefront for
amateur radio: its sheer unknown-ness to the general public.That's not
to say the public aren't interested; I think they very much are. A lot
of retired-age people who come to talk to me when they see me out on the
coast will say how much their young grandchildren would enjoy having a
go at radio. They go on to say it would be a lot better than staring at
a mobile phone. Of course, they're absolutely right!
If you don't slap CB down when the public mention it as something they
remember from the dim past about radio, then they are much more likely
to take longer to talk to you about it. I often say 'I started off
after a period with CB.' And that was true for very many of us older
than about 50 years today.
It's also true that a fair number of people seeing an antenna will try
to see what's going on, but won't engage and won't come to ask. They
mumble with one another that it's probably something illegal, or wonder
whether the operator has permission to put an antenna up in such a
beautiful spot.
This is almost certainly stoked by the idea amongst the public that
amateur radio operators are socially withdrawn, 'anorak' types who lock
themselves away in man-sheds. And let's be honest, a lot of us are like
that. We may not be unfriendly, but we can certainly appear to be. In
the UK, certainly, amateur radio was widely held for decades by
participants to set them apart from - and above - the rest of society.
The need to pass a fairly involved, 90 minute, largely electronics-based
examination, plus the mystique of knowing Morse code, essential until
very recently to get onto the HF bands, made these people, they
imagined, 'special'. A large fraction of the radio community back then
were well-paid career electronics workers who could afford and/or build
their ham equipment. This just reinforced their separation from the
general population. These attitudes were quite effective in isolating
amateur radio from the general public, who were even seen as unwelcome
threats to the hobby when they came to it via the CB route.
IARU goes on, inevitably, to claim that:"Amateur radio is seen as a
welcoming and accessible activity for people of all ages, backgrounds,
genders, and ethnicities, providing fun, social community and personal
development" Well, I had to laugh at that! Considering that 50% of
humanity is female, there are essentially no women in amateur radio.
Ethnic minorities are seriously under-represented in countries like the
UK and the US, especially when it comes to positions in radio
societies. I don't think that women and ethnic minorities find amateur
radio welcoming at all. If they did, they would be participating. I
also found the following rather odd, to the point of surely being wholly
false:"Amateur radio has an extensive media presence from its
accessibility to new entrants to its high value technical and scientific
contribution".Does it? I can only recall one mainstream media article
about amateur radio in the past several years. Even then, where the BBC
tried to present a positive image for us, it was entitled 'The very
particular world of amateur radio'. You can still watch it here, and
I'll let you sit back, imagine you're a non-amateur radio person, and
think: 'is this really painting a good picture of us, or just
lightheartedly reinforcing what the public think of us already?' Or,
maybe more usefully: 'will this encourage more people to rush out and
join up?'I'm not at all persuaded that IARU has a strategy that will
work for the future. Reading through their list of 'Strategic
Objectives', you find that they are not so much aims for the future, but
simply statements of how some contributors to the exercise see amateur
radio today - or, actually, how it was, a long time ago. This feeling
is only made worse when you look at the flowchart under 'What happens
now?', which seems like a recipe for more committees or something.For my
money, I would make these suggestions to IARU:(1) Recognise that the
management of radio societies are typically highly skewed in terms of
ethnicity, age, gender and socio-economic security. They are highly
unrepresentative of society as a whole, and unlikely to understand why
people not like them are not joining the hobby. Indeed, they are
unlikely to perceive, or reject the case, that there is any problem at
all. The problems begin here.
(2) The perception of amateur radio that matters isn't found from within
the existing amateur radio population itself. Rather, to ensure the
future of amateur radio, and to break down the clear, existing barriers
to participation, we need to ask the general public what they think of
us. Only then can we find out where the negative impressions of our
hobby lie (although many of us can readily tell you this!)(3) Stop
claiming things about amateur radio that have little foundation in
reality. More especially, stop claiming that a reasonable justification
for amateur radio's value is found in 'emergency communications'. Of
couse, radio can provide some relief in emergencies. It's just that, in
practice, almost nobody involved in the hobby will ever use radio in
this way. I doubt most people who may be interested in joining would
want to do so to pretend being some kind of emergency responder in a
yellow jacket, anyway.(4) The claim that amateur radio provides skilled
people to industry is almost certainly false inasmuch as it is in any
way a good reason to support radio. We all know that radio is
overwhelmingly a hobby of the ageing male population. Those aren't
working-age people of value to industry, although they are by no means
without value in terms of teaching others, for example.(5) Be honest
about where we stand. We're seen as rather odd, highly-technical and
anti-social people who hide away in sheds, surrounded by
incomprehensible electronic stuff. We won't appeal to a new generation
of enthusiasts unless we tackle these images first. There are plenty of
other things to tackle, too. The UK regulator, OFCOM, for example, has
next-to-no interest in the amateur service. A year ago, it imposed
complex and wholly needless EM safety regulations in response to panic
amongst the ignorant public about 5G internet. When asked, absolutely
nobody, including OFCOM, were able to provide scientific evidence that
provided a basis for their imposition of these ridiculous rules. There
is no point having a strategy for amateur radio when regulators just
stamp their feet at random, with no basis for their actions, and
seemingly nobody being able to challenge them.
On 25 Dec 2021 at 14:25:15 GMT, ""Jim GM4DHJ ..."" <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> >wrote:
Blame the rec.radio.info people for stealing the text from the original html >and losing the formatting along the way. It's ok on the linked web site.
On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 14:25:15 +0000, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 25/12/2021 12:33, MW1CFN via rec.radio.amateur.moderated Admin wrote:
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IARU: more crap
Posted: 24 Dec 2021 02:56 AM PST
https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2021/12/iaru-more-crap.html
IARU Region 1 seems to have been busy of late with what it describes as >>> taking control of the future of amateur radio, rather than being
controlled by the future.
This is a very good idea. But I'm not sure IARU has carried it off.
Indeed, the outcome of this exercise, which involved a large number of >>> member societies, seems to end-up repeating the same old rubbish that
we've heard coming from the mouths of rich, retired white people for
decades.
Consider, for example, this sentence:"Amateur radio is seen to be
providing social, economic, educational,and other benefits to
society"Well, at an individual level, I suppose there are certainly
social and educational benefits. But to society as a whole? I'm not so >>> sure. And who does IARU believe 'sees' radio to be like this?
Certainly not the general public. Using the words 'other benefits' is
nebulous, and weak.
If you ask a person in the street, or they come across you whilst out
portable, amongst the public, then I can very confidently say that about >>> 95% of them could not tell you a single thing about amateur radio.
Most, feeling pressed to say anything at all, will tend to blurt-out the >>> words 'CB, is it?' And there, I think, is the main battlefront for
amateur radio: its sheer unknown-ness to the general public.That's not
to say the public aren't interested; I think they very much are. A lot >>> of retired-age people who come to talk to me when they see me out on the >>> coast will say how much their young grandchildren would enjoy having a
go at radio. They go on to say it would be a lot better than staring at >>> a mobile phone. Of course, they're absolutely right!
If you don't slap CB down when the public mention it as something they
remember from the dim past about radio, then they are much more likely
to take longer to talk to you about it. I often say 'I started off
after a period with CB.' And that was true for very many of us older
than about 50 years today.
It's also true that a fair number of people seeing an antenna will try
to see what's going on, but won't engage and won't come to ask. They
mumble with one another that it's probably something illegal, or wonder
whether the operator has permission to put an antenna up in such a
beautiful spot.
This is almost certainly stoked by the idea amongst the public that
amateur radio operators are socially withdrawn, 'anorak' types who lock
themselves away in man-sheds. And let's be honest, a lot of us are like >>> that. We may not be unfriendly, but we can certainly appear to be. In >>> the UK, certainly, amateur radio was widely held for decades by
participants to set them apart from - and above - the rest of society.
The need to pass a fairly involved, 90 minute, largely electronics-based >>> examination, plus the mystique of knowing Morse code, essential until
very recently to get onto the HF bands, made these people, they
imagined, 'special'. A large fraction of the radio community back then >>> were well-paid career electronics workers who could afford and/or build
their ham equipment. This just reinforced their separation from the
general population. These attitudes were quite effective in isolating
amateur radio from the general public, who were even seen as unwelcome
threats to the hobby when they came to it via the CB route.
IARU goes on, inevitably, to claim that:"Amateur radio is seen as a
welcoming and accessible activity for people of all ages, backgrounds,
genders, and ethnicities, providing fun, social community and personal
development" Well, I had to laugh at that! Considering that 50% of >>> humanity is female, there are essentially no women in amateur radio.
Ethnic minorities are seriously under-represented in countries like the
UK and the US, especially when it comes to positions in radio
societies. I don't think that women and ethnic minorities find amateur >>> radio welcoming at all. If they did, they would be participating. I
also found the following rather odd, to the point of surely being wholly >>> false:"Amateur radio has an extensive media presence from its
accessibility to new entrants to its high value technical and scientific >>> contribution".Does it? I can only recall one mainstream media article
about amateur radio in the past several years. Even then, where the BBC >>> tried to present a positive image for us, it was entitled 'The very
particular world of amateur radio'. You can still watch it here, and
I'll let you sit back, imagine you're a non-amateur radio person, and
think: 'is this really painting a good picture of us, or just
lightheartedly reinforcing what the public think of us already?' Or,
maybe more usefully: 'will this encourage more people to rush out and
join up?'I'm not at all persuaded that IARU has a strategy that will
work for the future. Reading through their list of 'Strategic
Objectives', you find that they are not so much aims for the future, but >>> simply statements of how some contributors to the exercise see amateur
radio today - or, actually, how it was, a long time ago. This feeling
is only made worse when you look at the flowchart under 'What happens
now?', which seems like a recipe for more committees or something.For my >>> money, I would make these suggestions to IARU:(1) Recognise that the
management of radio societies are typically highly skewed in terms of
ethnicity, age, gender and socio-economic security. They are highly
unrepresentative of society as a whole, and unlikely to understand why
people not like them are not joining the hobby. Indeed, they are
unlikely to perceive, or reject the case, that there is any problem at
all. The problems begin here.
(2) The perception of amateur radio that matters isn't found from within >>> the existing amateur radio population itself. Rather, to ensure the
future of amateur radio, and to break down the clear, existing barriers
to participation, we need to ask the general public what they think of
us. Only then can we find out where the negative impressions of our
hobby lie (although many of us can readily tell you this!)(3) Stop
claiming things about amateur radio that have little foundation in
reality. More especially, stop claiming that a reasonable justification >>> for amateur radio's value is found in 'emergency communications'. Of
couse, radio can provide some relief in emergencies. It's just that, in >>> practice, almost nobody involved in the hobby will ever use radio in
this way. I doubt most people who may be interested in joining would
want to do so to pretend being some kind of emergency responder in a
yellow jacket, anyway.(4) The claim that amateur radio provides skilled
people to industry is almost certainly false inasmuch as it is in any
way a good reason to support radio. We all know that radio is
overwhelmingly a hobby of the ageing male population. Those aren't
working-age people of value to industry, although they are by no means
without value in terms of teaching others, for example.(5) Be honest
about where we stand. We're seen as rather odd, highly-technical and
anti-social people who hide away in sheds, surrounded by
incomprehensible electronic stuff. We won't appeal to a new generation >>> of enthusiasts unless we tackle these images first. There are plenty of >>> other things to tackle, too. The UK regulator, OFCOM, for example, has >>> next-to-no interest in the amateur service. A year ago, it imposed
complex and wholly needless EM safety regulations in response to panic
amongst the ignorant public about 5G internet. When asked, absolutely
nobody, including OFCOM, were able to provide scientific evidence that
provided a basis for their imposition of these ridiculous rules. There >>> is no point having a strategy for amateur radio when regulators just
stamp their feet at random, with no basis for their actions, and
seemingly nobody being able to challenge them.
Gotten To.
On 25/12/2021 12:33, MW1CFN via rec.radio.amateur.moderated Admin wrote:
wall of text
Real-World Amateur Radio
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IARU: more crap
Posted: 24 Dec 2021 02:56 AM PST
https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2021/12/iaru-more-crap.html
IARU Region 1 seems to have been busy of late with what it describes as
taking control of the future of amateur radio, rather than being
controlled by the future.
This is a very good idea. But I'm not sure IARU has carried it off.
Indeed, the outcome of this exercise, which involved a large number of
member societies, seems to end-up repeating the same old rubbish that
we've heard coming from the mouths of rich, retired white people for
decades.
Consider, for example, this sentence:"Amateur radio is seen to be
providing social, economic, educational,and other benefits to
society"Well, at an individual level, I suppose there are certainly
social and educational benefits. But to society as a whole? I'm not so >> sure. And who does IARU believe 'sees' radio to be like this?
Certainly not the general public. Using the words 'other benefits' is
nebulous, and weak.
If you ask a person in the street, or they come across you whilst out
portable, amongst the public, then I can very confidently say that about
95% of them could not tell you a single thing about amateur radio.
Most, feeling pressed to say anything at all, will tend to blurt-out the
words 'CB, is it?' And there, I think, is the main battlefront for
amateur radio: its sheer unknown-ness to the general public.That's not
to say the public aren't interested; I think they very much are. A lot
of retired-age people who come to talk to me when they see me out on the
coast will say how much their young grandchildren would enjoy having a
go at radio. They go on to say it would be a lot better than staring at
a mobile phone. Of course, they're absolutely right!
If you don't slap CB down when the public mention it as something they
remember from the dim past about radio, then they are much more likely
to take longer to talk to you about it. I often say 'I started off
after a period with CB.' And that was true for very many of us older
than about 50 years today.
It's also true that a fair number of people seeing an antenna will try
to see what's going on, but won't engage and won't come to ask. They
mumble with one another that it's probably something illegal, or wonder
whether the operator has permission to put an antenna up in such a
beautiful spot.
This is almost certainly stoked by the idea amongst the public that
amateur radio operators are socially withdrawn, 'anorak' types who lock
themselves away in man-sheds. And let's be honest, a lot of us are like
that. We may not be unfriendly, but we can certainly appear to be. In
the UK, certainly, amateur radio was widely held for decades by
participants to set them apart from - and above - the rest of society.
The need to pass a fairly involved, 90 minute, largely electronics-based
examination, plus the mystique of knowing Morse code, essential until
very recently to get onto the HF bands, made these people, they
imagined, 'special'. A large fraction of the radio community back then
were well-paid career electronics workers who could afford and/or build
their ham equipment. This just reinforced their separation from the
general population. These attitudes were quite effective in isolating
amateur radio from the general public, who were even seen as unwelcome
threats to the hobby when they came to it via the CB route.
IARU goes on, inevitably, to claim that:"Amateur radio is seen as a
welcoming and accessible activity for people of all ages, backgrounds,
genders, and ethnicities, providing fun, social community and personal
development" Well, I had to laugh at that! Considering that 50% of
humanity is female, there are essentially no women in amateur radio.
Ethnic minorities are seriously under-represented in countries like the
UK and the US, especially when it comes to positions in radio
societies. I don't think that women and ethnic minorities find amateur
radio welcoming at all. If they did, they would be participating. I
also found the following rather odd, to the point of surely being wholly
false:"Amateur radio has an extensive media presence from its
accessibility to new entrants to its high value technical and scientific
contribution".Does it? I can only recall one mainstream media article
about amateur radio in the past several years. Even then, where the BBC
tried to present a positive image for us, it was entitled 'The very
particular world of amateur radio'. You can still watch it here, and
I'll let you sit back, imagine you're a non-amateur radio person, and
think: 'is this really painting a good picture of us, or just
lightheartedly reinforcing what the public think of us already?' Or,
maybe more usefully: 'will this encourage more people to rush out and
join up?'I'm not at all persuaded that IARU has a strategy that will
work for the future. Reading through their list of 'Strategic
Objectives', you find that they are not so much aims for the future, but
simply statements of how some contributors to the exercise see amateur
radio today - or, actually, how it was, a long time ago. This feeling
is only made worse when you look at the flowchart under 'What happens
now?', which seems like a recipe for more committees or something.For my
money, I would make these suggestions to IARU:(1) Recognise that the
management of radio societies are typically highly skewed in terms of
ethnicity, age, gender and socio-economic security. They are highly
unrepresentative of society as a whole, and unlikely to understand why
people not like them are not joining the hobby. Indeed, they are
unlikely to perceive, or reject the case, that there is any problem at
all. The problems begin here.
(2) The perception of amateur radio that matters isn't found from within
the existing amateur radio population itself. Rather, to ensure the
future of amateur radio, and to break down the clear, existing barriers
to participation, we need to ask the general public what they think of
us. Only then can we find out where the negative impressions of our
hobby lie (although many of us can readily tell you this!)(3) Stop
claiming things about amateur radio that have little foundation in
reality. More especially, stop claiming that a reasonable justification
for amateur radio's value is found in 'emergency communications'. Of
couse, radio can provide some relief in emergencies. It's just that, in
practice, almost nobody involved in the hobby will ever use radio in
this way. I doubt most people who may be interested in joining would
want to do so to pretend being some kind of emergency responder in a
yellow jacket, anyway.(4) The claim that amateur radio provides skilled
people to industry is almost certainly false inasmuch as it is in any
way a good reason to support radio. We all know that radio is
overwhelmingly a hobby of the ageing male population. Those aren't
working-age people of value to industry, although they are by no means
without value in terms of teaching others, for example.(5) Be honest
about where we stand. We're seen as rather odd, highly-technical and
anti-social people who hide away in sheds, surrounded by
incomprehensible electronic stuff. We won't appeal to a new generation
of enthusiasts unless we tackle these images first. There are plenty of
other things to tackle, too. The UK regulator, OFCOM, for example, has
next-to-no interest in the amateur service. A year ago, it imposed
complex and wholly needless EM safety regulations in response to panic
amongst the ignorant public about 5G internet. When asked, absolutely
nobody, including OFCOM, were able to provide scientific evidence that
provided a basis for their imposition of these ridiculous rules. There
is no point having a strategy for amateur radio when regulators just
stamp their feet at random, with no basis for their actions, and
seemingly nobody being able to challenge them.
On 25 Dec 2021 at 14:25:15 GMT, ""Jim GM4DHJ ..."" <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
On 25/12/2021 12:33, MW1CFN via rec.radio.amateur.moderated Admin wrote:
wall of text
Real-World Amateur Radio
///////////////////////////////////////////
IARU: more crap
Posted: 24 Dec 2021 02:56 AM PST
https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2021/12/iaru-more-crap.html
IARU Region 1 seems to have been busy of late with what it describes as >>> taking control of the future of amateur radio, rather than being
controlled by the future.
This is a very good idea. But I'm not sure IARU has carried it off.
Indeed, the outcome of this exercise, which involved a large number of
member societies, seems to end-up repeating the same old rubbish that
we've heard coming from the mouths of rich, retired white people for
decades.
Consider, for example, this sentence:"Amateur radio is seen to be
providing social, economic, educational,and other benefits to
society"Well, at an individual level, I suppose there are certainly
social and educational benefits. But to society as a whole? I'm not so >>> sure. And who does IARU believe 'sees' radio to be like this?
Certainly not the general public. Using the words 'other benefits' is
nebulous, and weak.
If you ask a person in the street, or they come across you whilst out
portable, amongst the public, then I can very confidently say that about >>> 95% of them could not tell you a single thing about amateur radio.
Most, feeling pressed to say anything at all, will tend to blurt-out the >>> words 'CB, is it?' And there, I think, is the main battlefront for
amateur radio: its sheer unknown-ness to the general public.That's not
to say the public aren't interested; I think they very much are. A lot
of retired-age people who come to talk to me when they see me out on the >>> coast will say how much their young grandchildren would enjoy having a
go at radio. They go on to say it would be a lot better than staring at >>> a mobile phone. Of course, they're absolutely right!
If you don't slap CB down when the public mention it as something they
remember from the dim past about radio, then they are much more likely
to take longer to talk to you about it. I often say 'I started off
after a period with CB.' And that was true for very many of us older
than about 50 years today.
It's also true that a fair number of people seeing an antenna will try
to see what's going on, but won't engage and won't come to ask. They
mumble with one another that it's probably something illegal, or wonder
whether the operator has permission to put an antenna up in such a
beautiful spot.
This is almost certainly stoked by the idea amongst the public that
amateur radio operators are socially withdrawn, 'anorak' types who lock
themselves away in man-sheds. And let's be honest, a lot of us are like >>> that. We may not be unfriendly, but we can certainly appear to be. In
the UK, certainly, amateur radio was widely held for decades by
participants to set them apart from - and above - the rest of society.
The need to pass a fairly involved, 90 minute, largely electronics-based >>> examination, plus the mystique of knowing Morse code, essential until
very recently to get onto the HF bands, made these people, they
imagined, 'special'. A large fraction of the radio community back then
were well-paid career electronics workers who could afford and/or build
their ham equipment. This just reinforced their separation from the
general population. These attitudes were quite effective in isolating
amateur radio from the general public, who were even seen as unwelcome
threats to the hobby when they came to it via the CB route.
IARU goes on, inevitably, to claim that:"Amateur radio is seen as a
welcoming and accessible activity for people of all ages, backgrounds,
genders, and ethnicities, providing fun, social community and personal
development" Well, I had to laugh at that! Considering that 50% of
humanity is female, there are essentially no women in amateur radio.
Ethnic minorities are seriously under-represented in countries like the
UK and the US, especially when it comes to positions in radio
societies. I don't think that women and ethnic minorities find amateur
radio welcoming at all. If they did, they would be participating. I
also found the following rather odd, to the point of surely being wholly >>> false:"Amateur radio has an extensive media presence from its
accessibility to new entrants to its high value technical and scientific >>> contribution".Does it? I can only recall one mainstream media article
about amateur radio in the past several years. Even then, where the BBC >>> tried to present a positive image for us, it was entitled 'The very
particular world of amateur radio'. You can still watch it here, and
I'll let you sit back, imagine you're a non-amateur radio person, and
think: 'is this really painting a good picture of us, or just
lightheartedly reinforcing what the public think of us already?' Or,
maybe more usefully: 'will this encourage more people to rush out and
join up?'I'm not at all persuaded that IARU has a strategy that will
work for the future. Reading through their list of 'Strategic
Objectives', you find that they are not so much aims for the future, but >>> simply statements of how some contributors to the exercise see amateur
radio today - or, actually, how it was, a long time ago. This feeling
is only made worse when you look at the flowchart under 'What happens
now?', which seems like a recipe for more committees or something.For my >>> money, I would make these suggestions to IARU:(1) Recognise that the
management of radio societies are typically highly skewed in terms of
ethnicity, age, gender and socio-economic security. They are highly
unrepresentative of society as a whole, and unlikely to understand why
people not like them are not joining the hobby. Indeed, they are
unlikely to perceive, or reject the case, that there is any problem at
all. The problems begin here.
(2) The perception of amateur radio that matters isn't found from within >>> the existing amateur radio population itself. Rather, to ensure the
future of amateur radio, and to break down the clear, existing barriers
to participation, we need to ask the general public what they think of
us. Only then can we find out where the negative impressions of our
hobby lie (although many of us can readily tell you this!)(3) Stop
claiming things about amateur radio that have little foundation in
reality. More especially, stop claiming that a reasonable justification >>> for amateur radio's value is found in 'emergency communications'. Of
couse, radio can provide some relief in emergencies. It's just that, in >>> practice, almost nobody involved in the hobby will ever use radio in
this way. I doubt most people who may be interested in joining would
want to do so to pretend being some kind of emergency responder in a
yellow jacket, anyway.(4) The claim that amateur radio provides skilled
people to industry is almost certainly false inasmuch as it is in any
way a good reason to support radio. We all know that radio is
overwhelmingly a hobby of the ageing male population. Those aren't
working-age people of value to industry, although they are by no means
without value in terms of teaching others, for example.(5) Be honest
about where we stand. We're seen as rather odd, highly-technical and
anti-social people who hide away in sheds, surrounded by
incomprehensible electronic stuff. We won't appeal to a new generation
of enthusiasts unless we tackle these images first. There are plenty of >>> other things to tackle, too. The UK regulator, OFCOM, for example, has
next-to-no interest in the amateur service. A year ago, it imposed
complex and wholly needless EM safety regulations in response to panic
amongst the ignorant public about 5G internet. When asked, absolutely
nobody, including OFCOM, were able to provide scientific evidence that
provided a basis for their imposition of these ridiculous rules. There
is no point having a strategy for amateur radio when regulators just
stamp their feet at random, with no basis for their actions, and
seemingly nobody being able to challenge them.
Blame the rec.radio.info people for stealing the text from the original html and losing the formatting along the way. It's ok on the linked web site.
On 25 Dec 2021 at 14:25:15 GMT, ""Jim GM4DHJ ..."" <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
On 25/12/2021 12:33, MW1CFN via rec.radio.amateur.moderated Admin wrote:
wall of text
Real-World Amateur Radio
///////////////////////////////////////////
IARU: more crap
Posted: 24 Dec 2021 02:56 AM PST
https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2021/12/iaru-more-crap.html
IARU Region 1 seems to have been busy of late with what it describes as >>> taking control of the future of amateur radio, rather than being
controlled by the future.
This is a very good idea. But I'm not sure IARU has carried it off.
Indeed, the outcome of this exercise, which involved a large number of
member societies, seems to end-up repeating the same old rubbish that
we've heard coming from the mouths of rich, retired white people for
decades.
Consider, for example, this sentence:"Amateur radio is seen to be
providing social, economic, educational,and other benefits to
society"Well, at an individual level, I suppose there are certainly
social and educational benefits. But to society as a whole? I'm not so >>> sure. And who does IARU believe 'sees' radio to be like this?
Certainly not the general public. Using the words 'other benefits' is
nebulous, and weak.
If you ask a person in the street, or they come across you whilst out
portable, amongst the public, then I can very confidently say that about >>> 95% of them could not tell you a single thing about amateur radio.
Most, feeling pressed to say anything at all, will tend to blurt-out the >>> words 'CB, is it?' And there, I think, is the main battlefront for
amateur radio: its sheer unknown-ness to the general public.That's not
to say the public aren't interested; I think they very much are. A lot
of retired-age people who come to talk to me when they see me out on the >>> coast will say how much their young grandchildren would enjoy having a
go at radio. They go on to say it would be a lot better than staring at >>> a mobile phone. Of course, they're absolutely right!
If you don't slap CB down when the public mention it as something they
remember from the dim past about radio, then they are much more likely
to take longer to talk to you about it. I often say 'I started off
after a period with CB.' And that was true for very many of us older
than about 50 years today.
It's also true that a fair number of people seeing an antenna will try
to see what's going on, but won't engage and won't come to ask. They
mumble with one another that it's probably something illegal, or wonder
whether the operator has permission to put an antenna up in such a
beautiful spot.
This is almost certainly stoked by the idea amongst the public that
amateur radio operators are socially withdrawn, 'anorak' types who lock
themselves away in man-sheds. And let's be honest, a lot of us are like >>> that. We may not be unfriendly, but we can certainly appear to be. In
the UK, certainly, amateur radio was widely held for decades by
participants to set them apart from - and above - the rest of society.
The need to pass a fairly involved, 90 minute, largely electronics-based >>> examination, plus the mystique of knowing Morse code, essential until
very recently to get onto the HF bands, made these people, they
imagined, 'special'. A large fraction of the radio community back then
were well-paid career electronics workers who could afford and/or build
their ham equipment. This just reinforced their separation from the
general population. These attitudes were quite effective in isolating
amateur radio from the general public, who were even seen as unwelcome
threats to the hobby when they came to it via the CB route.
IARU goes on, inevitably, to claim that:"Amateur radio is seen as a
welcoming and accessible activity for people of all ages, backgrounds,
genders, and ethnicities, providing fun, social community and personal
development" Well, I had to laugh at that! Considering that 50% of
humanity is female, there are essentially no women in amateur radio.
Ethnic minorities are seriously under-represented in countries like the
UK and the US, especially when it comes to positions in radio
societies. I don't think that women and ethnic minorities find amateur
radio welcoming at all. If they did, they would be participating. I
also found the following rather odd, to the point of surely being wholly >>> false:"Amateur radio has an extensive media presence from its
accessibility to new entrants to its high value technical and scientific >>> contribution".Does it? I can only recall one mainstream media article
about amateur radio in the past several years. Even then, where the BBC >>> tried to present a positive image for us, it was entitled 'The very
particular world of amateur radio'. You can still watch it here, and
I'll let you sit back, imagine you're a non-amateur radio person, and
think: 'is this really painting a good picture of us, or just
lightheartedly reinforcing what the public think of us already?' Or,
maybe more usefully: 'will this encourage more people to rush out and
join up?'I'm not at all persuaded that IARU has a strategy that will
work for the future. Reading through their list of 'Strategic
Objectives', you find that they are not so much aims for the future, but >>> simply statements of how some contributors to the exercise see amateur
radio today - or, actually, how it was, a long time ago. This feeling
is only made worse when you look at the flowchart under 'What happens
now?', which seems like a recipe for more committees or something.For my >>> money, I would make these suggestions to IARU:(1) Recognise that the
management of radio societies are typically highly skewed in terms of
ethnicity, age, gender and socio-economic security. They are highly
unrepresentative of society as a whole, and unlikely to understand why
people not like them are not joining the hobby. Indeed, they are
unlikely to perceive, or reject the case, that there is any problem at
all. The problems begin here.
(2) The perception of amateur radio that matters isn't found from within >>> the existing amateur radio population itself. Rather, to ensure the
future of amateur radio, and to break down the clear, existing barriers
to participation, we need to ask the general public what they think of
us. Only then can we find out where the negative impressions of our
hobby lie (although many of us can readily tell you this!)(3) Stop
claiming things about amateur radio that have little foundation in
reality. More especially, stop claiming that a reasonable justification >>> for amateur radio's value is found in 'emergency communications'. Of
couse, radio can provide some relief in emergencies. It's just that, in >>> practice, almost nobody involved in the hobby will ever use radio in
this way. I doubt most people who may be interested in joining would
want to do so to pretend being some kind of emergency responder in a
yellow jacket, anyway.(4) The claim that amateur radio provides skilled
people to industry is almost certainly false inasmuch as it is in any
way a good reason to support radio. We all know that radio is
overwhelmingly a hobby of the ageing male population. Those aren't
working-age people of value to industry, although they are by no means
without value in terms of teaching others, for example.(5) Be honest
about where we stand. We're seen as rather odd, highly-technical and
anti-social people who hide away in sheds, surrounded by
incomprehensible electronic stuff. We won't appeal to a new generation
of enthusiasts unless we tackle these images first. There are plenty of >>> other things to tackle, too. The UK regulator, OFCOM, for example, has
next-to-no interest in the amateur service. A year ago, it imposed
complex and wholly needless EM safety regulations in response to panic
amongst the ignorant public about 5G internet. When asked, absolutely
nobody, including OFCOM, were able to provide scientific evidence that
provided a basis for their imposition of these ridiculous rules. There
is no point having a strategy for amateur radio when regulators just
stamp their feet at random, with no basis for their actions, and
seemingly nobody being able to challenge them.
Blame the rec.radio.info people for stealing the text from the original html and losing the formatting along the way. It's ok on the linked web site.
On 25/12/2021 15:45, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 25 Dec 2021 at 14:25:15 GMT, ""Jim GM4DHJ ..."" <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com>what was it about?.... life is too short to read it....
wrote:
On 25/12/2021 12:33, MW1CFN via rec.radio.amateur.moderated Admin wrote: >>>>
Real-World Amateur Radiowall of text
///////////////////////////////////////////
IARU: more crap
Posted: 24 Dec 2021 02:56 AM PST
https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2021/12/iaru-more-crap.html
IARU Region 1 seems to have been busy of late with what it describes as >>>> taking control of the future of amateur radio, rather than being
controlled by the future.
This is a very good idea. But I'm not sure IARU has carried it off.
Indeed, the outcome of this exercise, which involved a large number of >>>> member societies, seems to end-up repeating the same old rubbish that >>>> we've heard coming from the mouths of rich, retired white people for
decades.
Consider, for example, this sentence:"Amateur radio is seen to be
providing social, economic, educational,and other benefits to
society"Well, at an individual level, I suppose there are certainly
social and educational benefits. But to society as a whole? I'm not so >>>> sure. And who does IARU believe 'sees' radio to be like this?
Certainly not the general public. Using the words 'other benefits' is
nebulous, and weak.
If you ask a person in the street, or they come across you whilst out
portable, amongst the public, then I can very confidently say that about >>>> 95% of them could not tell you a single thing about amateur radio.
Most, feeling pressed to say anything at all, will tend to blurt-out the >>>> words 'CB, is it?' And there, I think, is the main battlefront for
amateur radio: its sheer unknown-ness to the general public.That's not >>>> to say the public aren't interested; I think they very much are. A lot >>>> of retired-age people who come to talk to me when they see me out on the >>>> coast will say how much their young grandchildren would enjoy having a >>>> go at radio. They go on to say it would be a lot better than staring at >>>> a mobile phone. Of course, they're absolutely right!
If you don't slap CB down when the public mention it as something they >>>> remember from the dim past about radio, then they are much more likely >>>> to take longer to talk to you about it. I often say 'I started off
after a period with CB.' And that was true for very many of us older
than about 50 years today.
It's also true that a fair number of people seeing an antenna will try >>>> to see what's going on, but won't engage and won't come to ask. They
mumble with one another that it's probably something illegal, or wonder >>>> whether the operator has permission to put an antenna up in such a
beautiful spot.
This is almost certainly stoked by the idea amongst the public that
amateur radio operators are socially withdrawn, 'anorak' types who lock >>>> themselves away in man-sheds. And let's be honest, a lot of us are like >>>> that. We may not be unfriendly, but we can certainly appear to be. In >>>> the UK, certainly, amateur radio was widely held for decades by
participants to set them apart from - and above - the rest of society. >>>> The need to pass a fairly involved, 90 minute, largely electronics-based >>>> examination, plus the mystique of knowing Morse code, essential until
very recently to get onto the HF bands, made these people, they
imagined, 'special'. A large fraction of the radio community back then >>>> were well-paid career electronics workers who could afford and/or build >>>> their ham equipment. This just reinforced their separation from the
general population. These attitudes were quite effective in isolating
amateur radio from the general public, who were even seen as unwelcome >>>> threats to the hobby when they came to it via the CB route.
IARU goes on, inevitably, to claim that:"Amateur radio is seen as a
welcoming and accessible activity for people of all ages, backgrounds, >>>> genders, and ethnicities, providing fun, social community and personal >>>> development" Well, I had to laugh at that! Considering that 50% of
humanity is female, there are essentially no women in amateur radio.
Ethnic minorities are seriously under-represented in countries like the >>>> UK and the US, especially when it comes to positions in radio
societies. I don't think that women and ethnic minorities find amateur >>>> radio welcoming at all. If they did, they would be participating. I
also found the following rather odd, to the point of surely being wholly >>>> false:"Amateur radio has an extensive media presence from its
accessibility to new entrants to its high value technical and scientific >>>> contribution".Does it? I can only recall one mainstream media article >>>> about amateur radio in the past several years. Even then, where the BBC >>>> tried to present a positive image for us, it was entitled 'The very
particular world of amateur radio'. You can still watch it here, and
I'll let you sit back, imagine you're a non-amateur radio person, and
think: 'is this really painting a good picture of us, or just
lightheartedly reinforcing what the public think of us already?' Or,
maybe more usefully: 'will this encourage more people to rush out and
join up?'I'm not at all persuaded that IARU has a strategy that will
work for the future. Reading through their list of 'Strategic
Objectives', you find that they are not so much aims for the future, but >>>> simply statements of how some contributors to the exercise see amateur >>>> radio today - or, actually, how it was, a long time ago. This feeling >>>> is only made worse when you look at the flowchart under 'What happens
now?', which seems like a recipe for more committees or something.For my >>>> money, I would make these suggestions to IARU:(1) Recognise that the
management of radio societies are typically highly skewed in terms of
ethnicity, age, gender and socio-economic security. They are highly
unrepresentative of society as a whole, and unlikely to understand why >>>> people not like them are not joining the hobby. Indeed, they are
unlikely to perceive, or reject the case, that there is any problem at >>>> all. The problems begin here.
(2) The perception of amateur radio that matters isn't found from within >>>> the existing amateur radio population itself. Rather, to ensure the
future of amateur radio, and to break down the clear, existing barriers >>>> to participation, we need to ask the general public what they think of >>>> us. Only then can we find out where the negative impressions of our
hobby lie (although many of us can readily tell you this!)(3) Stop
claiming things about amateur radio that have little foundation in
reality. More especially, stop claiming that a reasonable justification >>>> for amateur radio's value is found in 'emergency communications'. Of
couse, radio can provide some relief in emergencies. It's just that, in >>>> practice, almost nobody involved in the hobby will ever use radio in
this way. I doubt most people who may be interested in joining would
want to do so to pretend being some kind of emergency responder in a
yellow jacket, anyway.(4) The claim that amateur radio provides skilled >>>> people to industry is almost certainly false inasmuch as it is in any
way a good reason to support radio. We all know that radio is
overwhelmingly a hobby of the ageing male population. Those aren't
working-age people of value to industry, although they are by no means >>>> without value in terms of teaching others, for example.(5) Be honest
about where we stand. We're seen as rather odd, highly-technical and
anti-social people who hide away in sheds, surrounded by
incomprehensible electronic stuff. We won't appeal to a new generation >>>> of enthusiasts unless we tackle these images first. There are plenty of >>>> other things to tackle, too. The UK regulator, OFCOM, for example, has >>>> next-to-no interest in the amateur service. A year ago, it imposed
complex and wholly needless EM safety regulations in response to panic >>>> amongst the ignorant public about 5G internet. When asked, absolutely >>>> nobody, including OFCOM, were able to provide scientific evidence that >>>> provided a basis for their imposition of these ridiculous rules. There >>>> is no point having a strategy for amateur radio when regulators just
stamp their feet at random, with no basis for their actions, and
seemingly nobody being able to challenge them.
Blame the rec.radio.info people for stealing the text from the original html >> and losing the formatting along the way. It's ok on the linked web site.
""Jim GM4DHJ ..."" <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Real-World Amateur Radio
///////////////////////////////////////////
IARU: more crap
Posted: 24 Dec 2021 02:56 AM PST
https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2021/12/iaru-more-crap.html
IARU Region 1 seems to have been busy of late with what it describes as >>> taking control of the future of amateur radio, rather than being
controlled by the future.
This is a very good idea. But I'm not sure IARU has carried it off.
Indeed, the outcome of this exercise, which involved a large number of
member societies, seems to end-up repeating the same old rubbish that
we've heard coming from the mouths of rich, retired white people for
decades.
Blame the rec.radio.info people for stealing the text from the original html and losing the formatting along the way. It's ok on the linked web site.
On 25/12/2021 15:45, Roger Hayter wrote:
""Jim GM4DHJ ..."" <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Real-World Amateur Radio
///////////////////////////////////////////
IARU: more crap
Posted: 24 Dec 2021 02:56 AM PST
https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2021/12/iaru-more-crap.html
IARU Region 1 seems to have been busy of late with what it describes as >>>> taking control of the future of amateur radio, rather than being
controlled by the future.
This is a very good idea. But I'm not sure IARU has carried it off.
Indeed, the outcome of this exercise, which involved a large number of >>>> member societies, seems to end-up repeating the same old rubbish that >>>> we've heard coming from the mouths of rich, retired white people for
decades.
<very big snip>
Blame the rec.radio.info people for stealing the text from the original html >> and losing the formatting along the way. It's ok on the linked web site.
I gave up when I got to "...the same old rubbish that we've heard coming
from the mouths of rich, retired white people for decades".
""Jim GM4DHJ ..."" <kinvig.nett@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 26/12/2021 09:26, Spike wrote:
On 25/12/2021 15:45, Roger Hayter wrote:
""Jim GM4DHJ ..."" <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Real-World Amateur Radio
///////////////////////////////////////////
IARU: more crap
Posted: 24 Dec 2021 02:56 AM PST
https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2021/12/iaru-more-crap.html
IARU Region 1 seems to have been busy of late with what it describes as >>>>>> taking control of the future of amateur radio, rather than being
controlled by the future.
This is a very good idea. But I'm not sure IARU has carried it off. >>>>>> Indeed, the outcome of this exercise, which involved a large number of >>>>>> member societies, seems to end-up repeating the same old rubbish that >>>>>> we've heard coming from the mouths of rich, retired white people for >>>>>> decades.
<very big snip>
Blame the rec.radio.info people for stealing the text from the original html
and losing the formatting along the way. It's ok on the linked web site.
I gave up when I got to "...the same old rubbish that we've heard coming >>> from the mouths of rich, retired white people for decades".
yes what has that got to do with hammy mens radios ? ....what is the
percentage of UK blacks in the hobby I would say0.001 %
And could that be just the point he is making??
On 26/12/2021 09:26, Spike wrote:
On 25/12/2021 15:45, Roger Hayter wrote:yes what has that got to do with hammy mens radios ? ....what is the percentage of UK blacks in the hobby I would say0.001 %
""Jim GM4DHJ ..."" <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Real-World Amateur Radio
///////////////////////////////////////////
IARU: more crap
Posted: 24 Dec 2021 02:56 AM PST
https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2021/12/iaru-more-crap.html
IARU Region 1 seems to have been busy of late with what it describes as >>>>> taking control of the future of amateur radio, rather than being
controlled by the future.
This is a very good idea. But I'm not sure IARU has carried it off. >>>>> Indeed, the outcome of this exercise, which involved a large number of >>>>> member societies, seems to end-up repeating the same old rubbish that >>>>> we've heard coming from the mouths of rich, retired white people for >>>>> decades.
<very big snip>
Blame the rec.radio.info people for stealing the text from the original html
and losing the formatting along the way. It's ok on the linked web site.
I gave up when I got to "...the same old rubbish that we've heard coming
from the mouths of rich, retired white people for decades".
On 26/12/2021 10:33, Roger Hayter wrote:
""Jim GM4DHJ ..."" <kinvig.nett@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 26/12/2021 09:26, Spike wrote:
On 25/12/2021 15:45, Roger Hayter wrote:
""Jim GM4DHJ ..."" <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Real-World Amateur Radio
///////////////////////////////////////////
IARU: more crap
Posted: 24 Dec 2021 02:56 AM PST
https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2021/12/iaru-more-crap.html
IARU Region 1 seems to have been busy of late with what it describes as
taking control of the future of amateur radio, rather than being >>>>>>> controlled by the future.
This is a very good idea. But I'm not sure IARU has carried it off. >>>>>>> Indeed, the outcome of this exercise, which involved a large number of >>>>>>> member societies, seems to end-up repeating the same old rubbish that >>>>>>> we've heard coming from the mouths of rich, retired white people for >>>>>>> decades.
<very big snip>
Blame the rec.radio.info people for stealing the text from the original html
and losing the formatting along the way. It's ok on the linked web site.
I gave up when I got to "...the same old rubbish that we've heard coming >>>> from the mouths of rich, retired white people for decades".
yes what has that got to do with hammy mens radios ? ....what is the
percentage of UK blacks in the hobby I would say0.001 %
And could that be just the point he is making??
But what was the point of his point? On the face of it, the remarks
looks just like mere virtue-signalling.
On 26 Dec 2021 at 09:57:32 GMT, ""Jim GM4DHJ ..."" <kinvig.nett@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 26/12/2021 09:26, Spike wrote:
On 25/12/2021 15:45, Roger Hayter wrote:yes what has that got to do with hammy mens radios ? ....what is the
""Jim GM4DHJ ..."" <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Real-World Amateur Radio
///////////////////////////////////////////
IARU: more crap
Posted: 24 Dec 2021 02:56 AM PST
https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2021/12/iaru-more-crap.html
IARU Region 1 seems to have been busy of late with what it describes as >>>>>> taking control of the future of amateur radio, rather than being
controlled by the future.
This is a very good idea. But I'm not sure IARU has carried it off. >>>>>> Indeed, the outcome of this exercise, which involved a large number of >>>>>> member societies, seems to end-up repeating the same old rubbish that >>>>>> we've heard coming from the mouths of rich, retired white people for >>>>>> decades.
<very big snip>
Blame the rec.radio.info people for stealing the text from the original htmlI gave up when I got to "...the same old rubbish that we've heard coming >>> from the mouths of rich, retired white people for decades".
and losing the formatting along the way. It's ok on the linked web site. >>>
percentage of UK blacks in the hobby I would say0.001 %
And could that be just the point he is making?? Or do you think it is some kind of law of nature?
On 26 Dec 2021 at 09:57:32 GMT, ""Jim GM4DHJ ..."" <kinvig.nett@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 26/12/2021 09:26, Spike wrote:
On 25/12/2021 15:45, Roger Hayter wrote:yes what has that got to do with hammy mens radios ? ....what is the
""Jim GM4DHJ ..."" <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Real-World Amateur Radio
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IARU: more crap
Posted: 24 Dec 2021 02:56 AM PST
https://mw1cfnradio.blogspot.com/2021/12/iaru-more-crap.html
IARU Region 1 seems to have been busy of late with what it describes as >>>>>> taking control of the future of amateur radio, rather than being
controlled by the future.
This is a very good idea. But I'm not sure IARU has carried it off. >>>>>> Indeed, the outcome of this exercise, which involved a large number of >>>>>> member societies, seems to end-up repeating the same old rubbish that >>>>>> we've heard coming from the mouths of rich, retired white people for >>>>>> decades.
<very big snip>
Blame the rec.radio.info people for stealing the text from the original htmlI gave up when I got to "...the same old rubbish that we've heard coming >>> from the mouths of rich, retired white people for decades".
and losing the formatting along the way. It's ok on the linked web site. >>>
percentage of UK blacks in the hobby I would say0.001 %
And could that be just the point he is making?? Or do you think it is some kind of law of nature?
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