I am not referring to Prince Philip at all, and I use the ER as standard for a queen. I am referring to Phillip II of Macedon who by all accounts, was just as much a ruthless tyrant as his son, with the II bit resting on the reckless liaisons! Lightenup, my friend. I am not so low, especially when the whole of the Royal Family appear to be under fire, after Meghan's iniquitous interview with Oprah Winfrey. Now feel free to reject my clue for being too vague, but don't make any assumptions about me,
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:40:27 PM UTC-2:30, David A wrote:Lighten up, my friend. I am not so low, especially when the whole of the Royal Family appear to be under fire, after Meghan's iniquitous interview with Oprah Winfrey. Now feel free to reject my clue for being too vague, but don't make any assumptions
I am not referring to Prince Philip at all, and I use the ER as standard for a queen. I am referring to Phillip II of Macedon who by all accounts, was just as much a ruthless tyrant as his son, with the II bit resting on the reckless liaisons!
Also, please alert the authorities with my explanation. You have a nerve, from one prepared to give his life for his Queen in Vietnam, without consulting me for my explanation first. I got 128 likes on The Times for my condemnation of Meghan Markle.This kind of response from you is totally uncalled for, and I desire an apology.
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:46:37 PM UTC-2:30, David A wrote:Lighten up, my friend. I am not so low, especially when the whole of the Royal Family appear to be under fire, after Meghan's iniquitous interview with Oprah Winfrey. Now feel free to reject my clue for being too vague, but don't make any assumptions
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:40:27 PM UTC-2:30, David A wrote:
I am not referring to Prince Philip at all, and I use the ER as standard for a queen. I am referring to Phillip II of Macedon who by all accounts, was just as much a ruthless tyrant as his son, with the II bit resting on the reckless liaisons!
This kind of response from you is totally uncalled for, and I desire an apology.Also, please alert the authorities with my explanation. You have a nerve, from one prepared to give his life for his Queen in Vietnam, without consulting me for my explanation first. I got 128 likes on The Times for my condemnation of Meghan Markle.
I agree with you though that my clue has its flaws. I was too preoccupied with the mathematics of II to realise that I should have put the clue in the past tense! So, yes, my clue is rubbish on that account, so I humbly withdraw it with apology, thoughwith the very feeble defence, historical events are sometimes referred in the present tense as in a newspaper headline like Rommel invades North Africa after the evacuation of Crete! Nothing malicious intended against Prince Philip in my clue, and the
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 11:08:09 PM UTC-2:30, David A wrote:Lighten up, my friend. I am not so low, especially when the whole of the Royal Family appear to be under fire, after Meghan's iniquitous interview with Oprah Winfrey. Now feel free to reject my clue for being too vague, but don't make any assumptions
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:46:37 PM UTC-2:30, David A wrote:
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:40:27 PM UTC-2:30, David A wrote:
I am not referring to Prince Philip at all, and I use the ER as standard for a queen. I am referring to Phillip II of Macedon who by all accounts, was just as much a ruthless tyrant as his son, with the II bit resting on the reckless liaisons!
This kind of response from you is totally uncalled for, and I desire an apology.Also, please alert the authorities with my explanation. You have a nerve, from one prepared to give his life for his Queen in Vietnam, without consulting me for my explanation first. I got 128 likes on The Times for my condemnation of Meghan Markle.
though with the very feeble defence, historical events are sometimes referred in the present tense as in a newspaper headline like Rommel invades North Africa after the evacuation of Crete! Nothing malicious intended against Prince Philip in my clue, andI agree with you though that my clue has its flaws. I was too preoccupied with the mathematics of II to realise that I should have put the clue in the past tense! So, yes, my clue is rubbish on that account, so I humbly withdraw it with apology,
Och, what's the use! It's I who should be apologising for the original mechanical explanation to my clue, and my explanation assumed you could see Phillip! But you assumed I had made a typing error in my clue, which was not the case. If I had writtenPhillip II, though it would have made the clue pedantic, and I was hoping the sequence of two queens one after the other would help people conclude with the Phillip I was referring to! In any case, it is utterly preposterous for you to to suggest that
Repeated thanks for your clues. They are below, with my judgments. The result follows.entire tone of the surface reading is greatly insulting to the royal family and its practices.
Luciano
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Kevin:
The Princess Royal's parents beheaded her lover (3)
PHIL AND ER + (h)ER; def = lover
-- Being British and somewhat of a loyal subject, I would never refer to the Duke of Edinburgh as 'Phil' (only Her Majesty may do that). 'ER', again, is a rather too-familiar way of referring to his great wife and my Queen. In a similar vein, the
Each keeps greeting Mars probe operator (27)matters, here. The UK authorities have been notified. Expect deportation. Also, the surface reading is slanderous to the point not only of treason but of sacrilege: Phill is, has been, and will forever be absolutely faithfull to Betty.
PER around [HI + LANDER]; def = operator
-- 'Hi' is a rather vulgar greeting, and I've never been happy with it in crossword clues. 'operator' as a definition is too Americanese for me, and, thus, rather uncouth. I do not like the word 'probe' in clues. I would expect more of this entrant.
Rake handle endlessly obstructs caterer (11)
HIL(t) in PANDERER; def = rake
-- I have absolutely no idea what's going on in this scenario. It sounds like the premise of a very bad and (re the audience's perception) rather interminable 1970s Belgian comedy. At least you got the enumeration right.
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David:
Phillip's liaison with one queen followed directly by another will gain him a reputation! ( 11)
PHIL AND ER + ER; def = 'him' in 'will gain him a reputation' (ref that liaison business)
-- If you are referring to Prince Philip, consort to our majesty (and I will presume that you are), then it verges on the treasonous for you to give him two 'L's instead of one. The rest of the clue I could not care less about: your treason is all that
------------from what was admitted (eventually). And no doubt you hoped that the somewhat lily-livered 'perhaps' might save you from the courts. Not in the eyes of his lawyers (in fact, you probably added another few years to your prison term). Also, no one was
Duke:
Perhaps Bill Clinton to help randier rogue (11)
HELPRANDIER anag; def = perhaps bill Clinton
-- I have sent this clue to Bill Clinton (or, as he prefers to be known, B.J.). Expect communication from his army (quite literally) of lawyers. Nothing was proved about his (alleged) behaviour, apart from what was proved. Nothing was admitted, apart
------------Final note: I am equally aware that my clue could have alluded to Queen Elizabeth I and King Philip II of Spain, but that would have been grossly insulting to the Spanish people, and for all his faults he was a devout Catholic, and would never have
Steve:
_Playboy_ April: “End Her Fooling Around” (11)
APRILENDHER anag; def = playboy
-- The only morally decent and truly tasteful clue in the whole bunch.
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Once the mists of anger have lifted from my eyes, the result will be forthcoming.
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 10:38:00 AM UTC-2:30, Luciano Ward wrote:entire tone of the surface reading is greatly insulting to the royal family and its practices.
Repeated thanks for your clues. They are below, with my judgments. The result follows.
Luciano
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Kevin:
The Princess Royal's parents beheaded her lover (3)
PHIL AND ER + (h)ER; def = lover
-- Being British and somewhat of a loyal subject, I would never refer to the Duke of Edinburgh as 'Phil' (only Her Majesty may do that). 'ER', again, is a rather too-familiar way of referring to his great wife and my Queen. In a similar vein, the
that matters, here. The UK authorities have been notified. Expect deportation. Also, the surface reading is slanderous to the point not only of treason but of sacrilege: Phill is, has been, and will forever be absolutely faithfull to Betty.Each keeps greeting Mars probe operator (27)
PER around [HI + LANDER]; def = operator
-- 'Hi' is a rather vulgar greeting, and I've never been happy with it in crossword clues. 'operator' as a definition is too Americanese for me, and, thus, rather uncouth. I do not like the word 'probe' in clues. I would expect more of this entrant.
Rake handle endlessly obstructs caterer (11)
HIL(t) in PANDERER; def = rake
-- I have absolutely no idea what's going on in this scenario. It sounds like the premise of a very bad and (re the audience's perception) rather interminable 1970s Belgian comedy. At least you got the enumeration right.
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David:
Phillip's liaison with one queen followed directly by another will gain him a reputation! ( 11)
PHIL AND ER + ER; def = 'him' in 'will gain him a reputation' (ref that liaison business)
-- If you are referring to Prince Philip, consort to our majesty (and I will presume that you are), then it verges on the treasonous for you to give him two 'L's instead of one. The rest of the clue I could not care less about: your treason is all
from what was admitted (eventually). And no doubt you hoped that the somewhat lily-livered 'perhaps' might save you from the courts. Not in the eyes of his lawyers (in fact, you probably added another few years to your prison term). Also, no one was------------
Duke:
Perhaps Bill Clinton to help randier rogue (11)
HELPRANDIER anag; def = perhaps bill Clinton
-- I have sent this clue to Bill Clinton (or, as he prefers to be known, B.J.). Expect communication from his army (quite literally) of lawyers. Nothing was proved about his (alleged) behaviour, apart from what was proved. Nothing was admitted, apart
entertained such an outrage. The only one who fitted the bill was Phillip II of Macedon who was a ruthless tyrant and treated women accordingly! For a crossword man, who is normally astute, I level your criticisms of Kevin and others squarely at yourself,------------
Steve:
_Playboy_ April: “End Her Fooling Around” (11)
APRILENDHER anag; def = playboy
-- The only morally decent and truly tasteful clue in the whole bunch.
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Once the mists of anger have lifted from my eyes, the result will be forthcoming.Final note: I am equally aware that my clue could have alluded to Queen Elizabeth I and King Philip II of Spain, but that would have been grossly insulting to the Spanish people, and for all his faults he was a devout Catholic, and would never have
Many thanks to Kevin for moderating the previous round and for choosing my clue as the winner.You set the bar, old friend, that of clueing the word PHILANDERER a man who plays fast and loose.
For SCWC 378, please write one, two or three clues for:
PHILANDERER (11)
and post them here.
The deadline is end of day, your time, next Friday, March 26.
Thanks,
Luciano
Many thanks to Kevin for moderating the previous round and for choosing my clue as the winner.I am adamant that mine was King Phillip II of Macedon who treated his women like dirt. There is nothing wrong with my clue, and I have been judged exremely unfairly by one who will not even admit that it is he whose judgment is without any merit or
For SCWC 378, please write one, two or three clues for:
PHILANDERER (11)
and post them here.
The deadline is end of day, your time, next Friday, March 26.
Thanks,
Luciano
Repeated thanks to all entrants. Happily, I have recovered from my foolishness (though my wife might disagree). My (I hope) more measured judgments are below. The result is at the end.it implies it, but that's not really enough, here (italicising 'him' would have helped).
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Kevin:
The Princess Royal's parents beheaded her lover (11)
PHIL AND ER + (h)ER; def = lover
-- Appealing reference to the lady in question's parents, and a convincing, if graphic, way to get that final ER. The surface reading is involving, if a little unfortunate (not least for the lover).
Each keeps greeting Mars probe operator (11)
PER around [HI + LANDER]; def = operator
-- All okay as regards the wordplay. 'operator' still seems a bit iffy to me. The surface reading is not terribly exciting (each who? each what?).
Rake handle endlessly obstructs caterer (11)
HIL(t) in PANDERER; def = rake
-- Again, all good re the wordplay. I do like 'rake'. It's an interesting surface reading, but not an entirely likely one.
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David:
Phillip's liaison with one queen followed directly by another will gain him a reputation! ( 11)
PHIL AND ER + ER; def = 'him' in 'will gain him a reputation' (ref that liaison business)
-- Phillip of course need not necessarily be the Duke of Edinburgh, so that's fine. And this Phillip might have had liaisons with any number of queens, so that's okay as well. 'will gain him a reputation' doesn't really serve as a precise definition;
------------Whilst I have no qualms with the eventual verdict, I'm with your wife on this one - (8,6)!
Duke:
Perhaps Bill Clinton to help randier rogue (11)
HELPRANDIER anag; def = perhaps bill Clinton
-- The definition is unimpeachable (so to speak). 'to' is really not doing anything. 'rogue' is deceptively good as an (adjectival) anagram indicator. The surface reading leaves a bit to be desired.
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Steve:
_Playboy_ April: “End Her Fooling Around” (11)
APRILENDHER anag; def = playboy
-- Good anagram indicator. Definition is fine. The surface reading is perhaps a bit too forced for my liking, with lots of punctuation getting in the way.
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Kevin wins for his decapitation clue. Steve is second.
On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 1:26:38 PM UTC-2:30, Luciano Ward wrote:it implies it, but that's not really enough, here (italicising 'him' would have helped).
Repeated thanks to all entrants. Happily, I have recovered from my foolishness (though my wife might disagree). My (I hope) more measured judgments are below. The result is at the end.
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Kevin:
The Princess Royal's parents beheaded her lover (11)
PHIL AND ER + (h)ER; def = lover
-- Appealing reference to the lady in question's parents, and a convincing, if graphic, way to get that final ER. The surface reading is involving, if a little unfortunate (not least for the lover).
Each keeps greeting Mars probe operator (11)
PER around [HI + LANDER]; def = operator
-- All okay as regards the wordplay. 'operator' still seems a bit iffy to me. The surface reading is not terribly exciting (each who? each what?).
Rake handle endlessly obstructs caterer (11)
HIL(t) in PANDERER; def = rake
-- Again, all good re the wordplay. I do like 'rake'. It's an interesting surface reading, but not an entirely likely one.
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David:
Phillip's liaison with one queen followed directly by another will gain him a reputation! ( 11)
PHIL AND ER + ER; def = 'him' in 'will gain him a reputation' (ref that liaison business)
-- Phillip of course need not necessarily be the Duke of Edinburgh, so that's fine. And this Phillip might have had liaisons with any number of queens, so that's okay as well. 'will gain him a reputation' doesn't really serve as a precise definition;
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Duke:
Perhaps Bill Clinton to help randier rogue (11)
HELPRANDIER anag; def = perhaps bill Clinton
-- The definition is unimpeachable (so to speak). 'to' is really not doing anything. 'rogue' is deceptively good as an (adjectival) anagram indicator. The surface reading leaves a bit to be desired.
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Steve:
_Playboy_ April: “End Her Fooling Around” (11)
APRILENDHER anag; def = playboy
-- Good anagram indicator. Definition is fine. The surface reading is perhaps a bit too forced for my liking, with lots of punctuation getting in the way.
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Kevin wins for his decapitation clue. Steve is second.Whilst I have no qualms with the eventual verdict, I'm with your wife on this one - (8,6)!
On Tuesday, 6 April 2021 at 16:55:09 UTC-5, David A wrote:definition; it implies it, but that's not really enough, here (italicising 'him' would have helped).
On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 1:26:38 PM UTC-2:30, Luciano Ward wrote:
Repeated thanks to all entrants. Happily, I have recovered from my foolishness (though my wife might disagree). My (I hope) more measured judgments are below. The result is at the end.
----------
Kevin:
The Princess Royal's parents beheaded her lover (11)
PHIL AND ER + (h)ER; def = lover
-- Appealing reference to the lady in question's parents, and a convincing, if graphic, way to get that final ER. The surface reading is involving, if a little unfortunate (not least for the lover).
Each keeps greeting Mars probe operator (11)
PER around [HI + LANDER]; def = operator
-- All okay as regards the wordplay. 'operator' still seems a bit iffy to me. The surface reading is not terribly exciting (each who? each what?).
Rake handle endlessly obstructs caterer (11)
HIL(t) in PANDERER; def = rake
-- Again, all good re the wordplay. I do like 'rake'. It's an interesting surface reading, but not an entirely likely one.
------------
David:
Phillip's liaison with one queen followed directly by another will gain him a reputation! ( 11)
PHIL AND ER + ER; def = 'him' in 'will gain him a reputation' (ref that liaison business)
-- Phillip of course need not necessarily be the Duke of Edinburgh, so that's fine. And this Phillip might have had liaisons with any number of queens, so that's okay as well. 'will gain him a reputation' doesn't really serve as a precise
Appreciated!------------
Duke:
Perhaps Bill Clinton to help randier rogue (11)
HELPRANDIER anag; def = perhaps bill Clinton
-- The definition is unimpeachable (so to speak). 'to' is really not doing anything. 'rogue' is deceptively good as an (adjectival) anagram indicator. The surface reading leaves a bit to be desired.
------------
Steve:
_Playboy_ April: “End Her Fooling Around” (11)
APRILENDHER anag; def = playboy
-- Good anagram indicator. Definition is fine. The surface reading is perhaps a bit too forced for my liking, with lots of punctuation getting in the way.
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And she with you...Kevin wins for his decapitation clue. Steve is second.Whilst I have no qualms with the eventual verdict, I'm with your wife on this one - (8,6)!
On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 7:04:18 PM UTC-2:30, Luciano Ward wrote:definition; it implies it, but that's not really enough, here (italicising 'him' would have helped).
On Tuesday, 6 April 2021 at 16:55:09 UTC-5, David A wrote:
On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 1:26:38 PM UTC-2:30, Luciano Ward wrote:
Repeated thanks to all entrants. Happily, I have recovered from my foolishness (though my wife might disagree). My (I hope) more measured judgments are below. The result is at the end.
----------
Kevin:
The Princess Royal's parents beheaded her lover (11)
PHIL AND ER + (h)ER; def = lover
-- Appealing reference to the lady in question's parents, and a convincing, if graphic, way to get that final ER. The surface reading is involving, if a little unfortunate (not least for the lover).
Each keeps greeting Mars probe operator (11)
PER around [HI + LANDER]; def = operator
-- All okay as regards the wordplay. 'operator' still seems a bit iffy to me. The surface reading is not terribly exciting (each who? each what?).
Rake handle endlessly obstructs caterer (11)
HIL(t) in PANDERER; def = rake
-- Again, all good re the wordplay. I do like 'rake'. It's an interesting surface reading, but not an entirely likely one.
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David:
Phillip's liaison with one queen followed directly by another will gain him a reputation! ( 11)
PHIL AND ER + ER; def = 'him' in 'will gain him a reputation' (ref that liaison business)
-- Phillip of course need not necessarily be the Duke of Edinburgh, so that's fine. And this Phillip might have had liaisons with any number of queens, so that's okay as well. 'will gain him a reputation' doesn't really serve as a precise
You, too I am happy to forgive as well. Very sad to hear of his death. He had a great life, hugely respected by fine example and very sadly missed! You see, we are on the same page, after all!------------
Duke:
Perhaps Bill Clinton to help randier rogue (11)
HELPRANDIER anag; def = perhaps bill Clinton
-- The definition is unimpeachable (so to speak). 'to' is really not doing anything. 'rogue' is deceptively good as an (adjectival) anagram indicator. The surface reading leaves a bit to be desired.
------------
Steve:
_Playboy_ April: “End Her Fooling Around” (11)
APRILENDHER anag; def = playboy
-- Good anagram indicator. Definition is fine. The surface reading is perhaps a bit too forced for my liking, with lots of punctuation getting in the way.
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Appreciated!And she with you...Kevin wins for his decapitation clue. Steve is second.Whilst I have no qualms with the eventual verdict, I'm with your wife on this one - (8,6)!
On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 12:38:17 PM UTC-2:30, David A wrote:definition; it implies it, but that's not really enough, here (italicising 'him' would have helped).
On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 7:04:18 PM UTC-2:30, Luciano Ward wrote:
On Tuesday, 6 April 2021 at 16:55:09 UTC-5, David A wrote:
On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 1:26:38 PM UTC-2:30, Luciano Ward wrote:
Repeated thanks to all entrants. Happily, I have recovered from my foolishness (though my wife might disagree). My (I hope) more measured judgments are below. The result is at the end.
----------
Kevin:
The Princess Royal's parents beheaded her lover (11)
PHIL AND ER + (h)ER; def = lover
-- Appealing reference to the lady in question's parents, and a convincing, if graphic, way to get that final ER. The surface reading is involving, if a little unfortunate (not least for the lover).
Each keeps greeting Mars probe operator (11)
PER around [HI + LANDER]; def = operator
-- All okay as regards the wordplay. 'operator' still seems a bit iffy to me. The surface reading is not terribly exciting (each who? each what?).
Rake handle endlessly obstructs caterer (11)
HIL(t) in PANDERER; def = rake
-- Again, all good re the wordplay. I do like 'rake'. It's an interesting surface reading, but not an entirely likely one.
------------
David:
Phillip's liaison with one queen followed directly by another will gain him a reputation! ( 11)
PHIL AND ER + ER; def = 'him' in 'will gain him a reputation' (ref that liaison business)
-- Phillip of course need not necessarily be the Duke of Edinburgh, so that's fine. And this Phillip might have had liaisons with any number of queens, so that's okay as well. 'will gain him a reputation' doesn't really serve as a precise
P.S. I've written a wee tribute to him and HMQ on my Home Page.------------
Duke:
Perhaps Bill Clinton to help randier rogue (11)
HELPRANDIER anag; def = perhaps bill Clinton
-- The definition is unimpeachable (so to speak). 'to' is really not doing anything. 'rogue' is deceptively good as an (adjectival) anagram indicator. The surface reading leaves a bit to be desired.
------------
Steve:
_Playboy_ April: “End Her Fooling Around” (11)
APRILENDHER anag; def = playboy
-- Good anagram indicator. Definition is fine. The surface reading is perhaps a bit too forced for my liking, with lots of punctuation getting in the way.
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You, too I am happy to forgive as well. Very sad to hear of his death. He had a great life, hugely respected by fine example and very sadly missed! You see, we are on the same page, after all!Appreciated!And she with you...Kevin wins for his decapitation clue. Steve is second.Whilst I have no qualms with the eventual verdict, I'm with your wife on this one - (8,6)!
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