• for prime p, ( p ^ 4 + 14 ) is not prime.

    From henhanna@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 17 00:13:36 2022
    Show that
    where p is a prime number ,
    ( p ^ 4 + 14 ) is not prime.


    (sorry if this too easy)

    pls wait at least 1 week posting answer(s) or hints.

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  • From Edward Murphy@21:1/5 to henh...@gmail.com on Sun Jun 19 17:21:44 2022
    On 6/17/2022 12:13 AM, henh...@gmail.com wrote:

    Show that
    where p is a prime number ,
    ( p ^ 4 + 14 ) is not prime.


    (sorry if this too easy)

    pls wait at least 1 week posting answer(s) or hints.

    Rather than waiting (and possibly forgetting to post at all), the usual
    methods are spoiler space or rot13. I'll use both.































    c = 5 -> c^4 + 14 = 639 juvpu vf pbzcbfvgr (3 * 3 * 71).

    Nal bgure cevzr c pna or rkcerffrq nf 5k + l, jurer
    k vf n aba-artngvir vagrtre
    l vf bar bs (1, 2, 3, 4)
    Gura jr unir
    c^4 + 14 = (5k + l)^4 + 14
    = 625k^4 + 125(k^3)l + 25(k^2)(l^2) + 5k(l^3) + l^4 + 14
    juvpu vf pbzcbfvgr (5m sbe fbzr vagrtre m > 1):
    Gur svefg sbhe grezf ner aba-artngvir zhygvcyrf bs 5.
    1^4 + 14 = 15 = 5 * 3
    2^4 + 14 = 30 = 5 * 6
    3^4 + 14 = 95 = 5 * 19
    4^4 + 14 = 270 = 5 * 54

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  • From Phil Carmody@21:1/5 to henh...@gmail.com on Mon Jun 20 11:46:28 2022
    "henh...@gmail.com" <henhanna@gmail.com> writes:
    Show that
    where p is a prime number ,
    ( p ^ 4 + 14 ) is not prime.


    (sorry if this too easy)

    pls wait at least 1 week posting answer(s) or hints.






    Or other people could wait at least 1 week reading this follow-up.






    Then again, the solution to this problem is simpler than the question
    itself - if you understand the question, you should be able to answer
    it.






    Anyway, here's my hint...






    Except for primes divisible by 3, p^4+14 is non-prime for exactly
    the same reason that p^4+2 and p^4+8 are also non-prime. The 3|p
    case is trivial.





    Anyway, let's flip parity and turn this into a race.

    For which N is p^4+N prime most often, for p<1000?

    There are 168 primes p in that range, and I have found an N that yields
    84 primes (so a full 50% of candidates).





    Spoiler:




    ? forprime(p=2,1000,print(p" "factor(p^4+6156712)))
    2 [2, 3; 769591, 1]
    3 Mat([6156793, 1])
    5 Mat([6157337, 1])
    7 Mat([6159113, 1])
    11 Mat([6171353, 1])
    13 Mat([6185273, 1])
    17 Mat([6240233, 1])
    19 Mat([6287033, 1])
    23 Mat([6436553, 1])
    29 Mat([6863993, 1])
    31 Mat([7080233, 1])
    37 Mat([8030873, 1])
    41 Mat([8982473, 1])
    43 [349, 1; 27437, 1]
    47 Mat([11036393, 1])
    53 Mat([14047193, 1])
    59 Mat([18274073, 1])
    61 Mat([20002553, 1])
    67 Mat([26307833, 1])
    71 Mat([31568393, 1])
    73 Mat([34554953, 1])
    79 [47, 1; 959719, 1]
    83 [3877, 1; 13829, 1]
    89 [397, 1; 173549, 1]
    97 [127, 1; 193, 1; 3863, 1]
    101 Mat([110217113, 1])
    103 [151, 1; 839, 1; 937, 1]
    107 [6299, 1; 21787, 1]
    109 [47, 1; 1697, 1; 1847, 1]
    113 Mat([169204073, 1])
    127 Mat([266301353, 1])
    131 [887, 1; 338959, 1]
    137 [193, 1; 1857161, 1]
    139 Mat([379457753, 1])
    149 [227, 1; 2198419, 1]
    151 Mat([526042313, 1])
    157 [127, 1; 181, 1; 26699, 1]
    163 [5279, 1; 134887, 1]
    167 [2221, 1; 352973, 1]
    173 [47, 1; 907, 1; 21157, 1]
    179 Mat([1032782393, 1])
    181 [2609, 1; 413737, 1]
    191 Mat([1337020073, 1])
    193 [12799, 1; 108887, 1]
    197 Mat([1512295193, 1])
    199 [151, 1; 10426463, 1]
    211 [10567, 1; 188159, 1]
    223 [827, 1; 1009, 1; 2971, 1]
    227 [1301, 1; 2045653, 1]
    229 [2963, 1; 930211, 1]
    233 Mat([2953452233, 1])
    239 Mat([3268965353, 1])
    241 [39521, 1; 85513, 1]
    251 Mat([3975282713, 1])
    257 Mat([4368627113, 1])
    263 [1789, 1; 2677757, 1]
    269 Mat([5242271033, 1])
    271 Mat([5399737193, 1])
    277 [2399, 1; 2456647, 1]
    281 Mat([6240996233, 1])
    283 Mat([6420404633, 1])
    293 Mat([7376207513, 1])
    307 Mat([8889030713, 1])
    311 Mat([9361108553, 1])
    313 Mat([9604081673, 1])
    317 [1951, 1; 5178983, 1]
    331 [281, 1; 42739393, 1]
    337 Mat([12904074473, 1])
    347 [1579, 1; 9185867, 1]
    349 [389, 1; 1009, 1; 37813, 1]
    353 Mat([15533559593, 1])
    359 [523, 1; 1871, 1; 16981, 1]
    367 Mat([18147283433, 1])
    373 Mat([19363035353, 1])
    379 [2063, 1; 10004311, 1]
    383 [1049, 1; 20518417, 1]
    389 Mat([22904201753, 1])
    397 Mat([24846753593, 1])
    401 [947, 1; 27310579, 1]
    409 Mat([27989089673, 1])
    419 [36319, 1; 848807, 1]
    421 [167, 1; 3209, 1; 58631, 1]
    431 Mat([34513305833, 1])
    433 Mat([35158281833, 1])
    439 Mat([37147540553, 1])
    443 Mat([38519826713, 1])
    449 [181, 1; 673, 1; 333701, 1]
    457 [389, 1; 1993, 1; 56269, 1]
    461 [743, 1; 821, 1; 74051, 1]
    463 Mat([45960224873, 1])
    467 Mat([47568968633, 1])
    479 Mat([52649329193, 1])
    487 [911, 1; 2437, 1; 25339, 1]
    491 Mat([58126205273, 1])
    499 Mat([62007654713, 1])
    503 [2837, 1; 22565989, 1]
    509 Mat([67129121273, 1])
    521 Mat([73686373193, 1])
    523 [193, 1; 3889, 1; 99689, 1]
    541 [809, 1; 105894097, 1]
    547 [47741, 1; 1875373, 1]
    557 [10709, 1; 8988757, 1]
    563 [1049, 1; 2389, 1; 40093, 1]
    569 Mat([104827341833, 1])
    571 [79153, 1; 1343081, 1]
    577 [251, 1; 441625003, 1]
    587 Mat([118733952473, 1])
    593 Mat([123663175913, 1])
    599 [236993, 1; 543241, 1]
    601 [1259, 1; 103631707, 1]
    607 [6571, 1; 20660603, 1]
    613 [349, 1; 9323, 1; 43399, 1]
    617 Mat([144930271433, 1])
    619 [3203, 1; 45837811, 1]
    631 [74231, 1; 2135743, 1]
    641 [3137, 1; 53818729, 1]
    643 [47, 1; 12907, 1; 281797, 1]
    647 [179, 1; 739, 1; 1324753, 1]
    653 Mat([181830791993, 1])
    659 Mat([188606143673, 1])
    661 Mat([190906116953, 1])
    673 [47, 1; 30911, 1; 141209, 1]
    677 [14327, 1; 14662639, 1]
    683 [281, 1; 774441793, 1]
    691 Mat([227994262073, 1])
    701 Mat([241481099513, 1])
    709 [431, 1; 1289, 1; 454847, 1]
    719 Mat([267254832233, 1])
    727 [19687, 1; 14189519, 1]
    733 [1291, 1; 223613963, 1]
    739 [109451, 1; 2725003, 1]
    743 Mat([304764255113, 1])
    751 [10601, 1; 30006913, 1]
    757 Mat([328391313113, 1])
    761 [13679, 1; 24518407, 1]
    769 Mat([349713989033, 1])
    773 Mat([357047062553, 1])
    787 Mat([383624114873, 1])
    797 Mat([403496630393, 1])
    809 [1279, 1; 3547, 1; 94421, 1]
    811 [181, 1; 2390072213, 1]
    821 [433, 1; 1049278121, 1]
    823 Mat([458780730953, 1])
    827 [6221, 1; 75191293, 1]
    829 [1409, 1; 335206777, 1]
    839 [13879, 1; 35702207, 1]
    853 Mat([529421013593, 1])
    857 Mat([539421490313, 1])
    859 [127, 1; 4287200999, 1]
    863 [877, 1; 3457, 1; 182957, 1]
    877 Mat([591565575353, 1])
    881 [181, 1; 997, 1; 3338369, 1]
    883 [397, 1; 3761, 1; 407149, 1]
    887 [185957, 1; 3328789, 1]
    907 Mat([676757533913, 1])
    911 [433, 1; 1590704441, 1]
    919 [127, 1; 5616452279, 1]
    929 [181, 1; 251, 1; 16395103, 1]
    937 Mat([770835721673, 1])
    941 Mat([784082758073, 1])
    947 [349603, 1; 2300531, 1]
    953 Mat([824849744393, 1])
    967 [5503, 1; 158894711, 1]
    971 [769, 1; 1155988697, 1]
    977 Mat([911131768553, 1])
    983 Mat([933720588233, 1])
    991 [6703, 1; 7829, 1; 18379, 1]
    997 Mat([988060048793, 1])


    Rejecting all primes under 47 as possible factors, and all other primes
    under 127, gives this N a very high prime density.

    Phil
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