• Anagramless Words

    From Dunc M@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 14 14:47:51 2021
    Time to revive the search for common 5-letter words (OED) whose letters - either all or some - cannot be rearranged into other words of at least two letters. The only examples I have found are CIVIC and QUEUE. Are there any others? I'm sure there must be,
    but they are elusive.

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  • From leflynn@21:1/5 to Dunc M on Mon Oct 18 09:56:16 2021
    On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 5:47:52 PM UTC-4, Dunc M wrote:
    Time to revive the search for common 5-letter words (OED) whose letters - either all or some - cannot be rearranged into other words of at least two letters. The only examples I have found are CIVIC and QUEUE. Are there any others? I'm sure there must
    be, but they are elusive.

    There are too many. Just checking que _ _ gives:
    QUEEN, QUEER , QUELL, QUERY, QUEST

    Some others:
    CRAZY, LIVID, PENNY

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  • From gerson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 28 11:40:09 2021
    "Dunc M" wrote in message news:7af71892-0069-4720-8f1b-895f16b20967n@googlegroups.com...

    Time to revive the search for common 5-letter words (OED) whose letters - either all or some - cannot be rearranged into other
    words of at least two letters. The only examples I have found are CIVIC and QUEUE. Are there any others? I'm sure there must be,
    but they are elusive.

    cynic

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  • From G@21:1/5 to gerson on Thu Oct 28 09:39:43 2021
    gerson <gerson@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
    "Dunc M" wrote in message
    news:7af71892-0069-4720-8f1b-895f16b20967n@googlegroups.com...

    Time to revive the search for common 5-letter words (OED) whose letters -
    either all or some - cannot be rearranged into other words of at least two >> letters. The only examples I have found are CIVIC and QUEUE. Are there any >> others? I'm sure there must be, but they are elusive.

    cynic

    There is "yin" as in "Yin and Yang".

    G

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  • From leflynn@21:1/5 to Dunc M on Thu Oct 28 09:05:19 2021
    On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 5:47:52 PM UTC-4, Dunc M wrote:
    Time to revive the search for common 5-letter words (OED) whose letters - either all or some - cannot be rearranged into other words of at least two letters. The only examples I have found are CIVIC and QUEUE. Are there any others? I'm sure there must
    be, but they are elusive.
    Is the challenge to find a word without any arrangements of every combination of two to five of the letter that are other words or to find a word where at least one of the letters cannot be used to make a new word in combination with any choice of one to
    four or the other letters?
    L. Flynn

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  • From leflynn@21:1/5 to Dunc M on Thu Oct 28 17:42:27 2021
    On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 5:47:52 PM UTC-4, Dunc M wrote:
    Time to revive the search for common 5-letter words (OED) whose letters - either all or some - cannot be rearranged into other words of at least two letters. The only examples I have found are CIVIC and QUEUE. Are there any others? I'm sure there must
    be, but they are elusive.

    The one I found is LYNCH. VIZIR is not as common and I could not determine if this spelling is in the OED. CIRRI, an option for the plural of CIRRUS is not very common, as cirrus is usually used as collective noun.

    L. Flynn

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  • From Mark Brader@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 28 21:45:10 2021
    Dunc M.:
    Time to revive the search for common 5-letter words (OED) whose letters
    - either all or some - cannot be rearranged into other words of at least
    two letters.

    If this is meant to be a mental puzzle, please ignore this response.

    I don't have access to a list of words in the OED, and I doubt that
    one is available online, but I do have access to the "Webster's 2nd"
    word list, and I wrote a suitable Perl program and ran it on that list.

    It claimed three hits: CIRRI, CIVIC, and QUICK.

    (I know some dictionaries admit QI as a word these days, which would
    disallow QUICK, but I say bah humbug to that. If Q occurs in a word
    followed by a letter other than U, it's not English.)

    As to the suggestions posted by other people, some due to
    misunderstanding the question, my program disallowed them because
    the words at right, or perhaps I should say the forms at right,
    were words in the list:

    QUEEN UN
    QUEER QERE
    QUELL ULE
    QUERY QUEY
    QUEST QUET
    CRAZY CRY
    LIVID LI
    PENNY PEN
    LYNCH LY

    (I know, I wouldn't accept QERE as English myself, but there's RE, too.)
    --
    Mark Brader, Toronto | "To err is human, but to error requires a computer." msb@vex.net | -- Harry Lethall

    My text in this article is in the public domain.

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  • From leflynn@21:1/5 to Mark Brader on Fri Oct 29 08:22:52 2021
    On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 10:45:16 PM UTC-4, Mark Brader wrote:
    Dunc M.:
    Time to revive the search for common 5-letter words (OED) whose letters
    - either all or some - cannot be rearranged into other words of at least two letters.
    If this is meant to be a mental puzzle, please ignore this response.

    I don't have access to a list of words in the OED, and I doubt that
    one is available online, but I do have access to the "Webster's 2nd"
    word list, and I wrote a suitable Perl program and ran it on that list.

    It claimed three hits: CIRRI, CIVIC, and QUICK.

    (I know some dictionaries admit QI as a word these days, which would
    disallow QUICK, but I say bah humbug to that. If Q occurs in a word
    followed by a letter other than U, it's not English.)

    As to the suggestions posted by other people, some due to
    misunderstanding the question, my program disallowed them because
    the words at right, or perhaps I should say the forms at right,
    were words in the list:

    LYNCH LY

    Mark Brader, Toronto | "To err is human, but to error requires a computer." m...@vex.net | -- Harry Lethall

    My text in this article is in the public domain.

    I believe "LY" only appears as "-ly suffix" in the OED. "QI" is there.
    Is "VIZIR" in your Webster's 2nd, and if so how did it fail?

    L. Flynn

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  • From leflynn@21:1/5 to leflynn on Fri Oct 29 14:10:32 2021
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 11:22:53 AM UTC-4, leflynn wrote:
    On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 10:45:16 PM UTC-4, Mark Brader wrote:
    Dunc M.:
    Time to revive the search for common 5-letter words (OED) whose letters
    - either all or some - cannot be rearranged into other words of at least two letters.
    If this is meant to be a mental puzzle, please ignore this response.

    I don't have access to a list of words in the OED, and I doubt that
    one is available online, but I do have access to the "Webster's 2nd"
    word list, and I wrote a suitable Perl program and ran it on that list.

    It claimed three hits: CIRRI, CIVIC, and QUICK.

    (I know some dictionaries admit QI as a word these days, which would disallow QUICK, but I say bah humbug to that. If Q occurs in a word followed by a letter other than U, it's not English.)

    As to the suggestions posted by other people, some due to
    misunderstanding the question, my program disallowed them because
    the words at right, or perhaps I should say the forms at right,
    were words in the list:

    LYNCH LY

    Mark Brader, Toronto | "To err is human, but to error requires a computer." m...@vex.net | -- Harry Lethall

    My text in this article is in the public domain.
    I believe "LY" only appears as "-ly suffix" in the OED. "QI" is there.
    Is "VIZIR" in your Webster's 2nd, and if so how did it fail?

    L. Flynn
    Some of the web2 word lists grabbed everything and removed hyphens
    I have three unabridged Websters in hardcopy.

    My Webster's 1st and 2nd only have "-ly" as a suffix. The third gives it as an abbreviation for Langley without a capital or period.

    CIRRI is in Webster's 1st, 2nd and 3rd as a plural of CIRRUS.

    QI is not in any of them. QUA and QUA have mixed presences across the three.

    Webster's 2nd has VIZIR as an alternate spelling for VIZIER.

    I'll start off the six-letter quest with SYZYGY .

    L. Flynn

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  • From leflynn@21:1/5 to leflynn on Fri Oct 29 14:44:29 2021
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 5:10:33 PM UTC-4, leflynn wrote:
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 11:22:53 AM UTC-4, leflynn wrote:
    On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 10:45:16 PM UTC-4, Mark Brader wrote:
    Dunc M.:
    Time to revive the search for common 5-letter words (OED) whose letters
    - either all or some - cannot be rearranged into other words of at least
    two letters.
    If this is meant to be a mental puzzle, please ignore this response.

    I don't have access to a list of words in the OED, and I doubt that
    one is available online, but I do have access to the "Webster's 2nd" word list, and I wrote a suitable Perl program and ran it on that list.

    It claimed three hits: CIRRI, CIVIC, and QUICK.

    (I know some dictionaries admit QI as a word these days, which would disallow QUICK, but I say bah humbug to that. If Q occurs in a word followed by a letter other than U, it's not English.)

    As to the suggestions posted by other people, some due to misunderstanding the question, my program disallowed them because
    the words at right, or perhaps I should say the forms at right,
    were words in the list:

    LYNCH LY

    Mark Brader, Toronto | "To err is human, but to error requires a computer."
    m...@vex.net | -- Harry Lethall

    My text in this article is in the public domain.
    I believe "LY" only appears as "-ly suffix" in the OED. "QI" is there.
    Is "VIZIR" in your Webster's 2nd, and if so how did it fail?

    L. Flynn
    Some of the web2 word lists grabbed everything and removed hyphens
    I have three unabridged Websters in hardcopy.

    My Webster's 1st and 2nd only have "-ly" as a suffix. The third gives it as an abbreviation for Langley without a capital or period.

    CIRRI is in Webster's 1st, 2nd and 3rd as a plural of CIRRUS.

    QI is not in any of them. QUA and QUE have mixed presences across the three.

    Webster's 2nd has VIZIR as an alternate spelling for VIZIER.

    I'll start off the six-letter quest with SYZYGY .

    L. Flynn
    That should be QUA and QUE have mixed presences across the three.
    I find "CRI" in some dictionaries but as a component of a French phrase. Similarly "VICI" as a component of a Latin phrase.

    Some very uncommon possibilities from a large list of five-letter words:
    GYNNY
    GHYLL (possibly spoiled by “LY”)
    CHYND (possibly by "HYND")
    XYLYL (possibly spoiled by “LY”)
    CRWTH (possibly spoiled by “TCH”)

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  • From Mark Brader@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 30 00:55:41 2021
    Mark Brader:
    I don't have access to a list of words in the OED, and I doubt that
    one is available online, but I do have access to the "Webster's 2nd"
    word list...

    L.E. Flynn:
    Is "VIZIR" in your Webster's 2nd, and if so how did it fail?

    I don't have an actual Webster's, but that word isn't in the list.
    --
    Mark Brader | "Weight... wait... what?"
    Toronto | "Last night I had a dream that I weighed less
    msb@vex.net | than a thousandth of a gram. I was like, 0mg."

    My text in this article is in the public domain.

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  • From Mark Brader@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 30 01:20:33 2021
    L.E. Flynn:
    I'll start off the six-letter quest with SYZYGY .

    Tweaking the same program I ran before to do 6-letter words,
    that one is the only hit.

    I then tried 7-letter words and got no hits.
    --
    Mark Brader, Toronto | "Something doesn't become ethical just because msb@vex.net | you can get away with it." --Barry Margolin

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  • From Richard Heathfield@21:1/5 to Mark Brader on Tue Nov 2 12:26:29 2021
    On 30/10/2021 06:55, Mark Brader wrote:
    Mark Brader:
    I don't have access to a list of words in the OED, and I doubt that
    one is available online, but I do have access to the "Webster's 2nd"
    word list...

    L.E. Flynn:
    Is "VIZIR" in your Webster's 2nd, and if so how did it fail?

    I don't have an actual Webster's, but that word isn't in the list.

    Just out of sheer interest, although that word appears in neither of the
    two word lists I keep, one the sane /usr/yadayadayada and the other a
    somewhat mildly insane list of 431,963 words, the latter does have these:

    rjh@me:~/ref$ grep -i vizir bigdict.txt
    vizirate
    vizirates
    vizircraft
    vizirial
    vizirship
    vizirships


    --
    Richard Heathfield
    Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
    "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
    Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Mark Brader on Thu Aug 4 11:38:00 2022
    On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 01:20:33 -0500
    msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:

    L.E. Flynn:
    I'll start off the six-letter quest with SYZYGY .

    Tweaking the same program I ran before to do 6-letter words,
    that one is the only hit.

    I then tried 7-letter words and got no hits.

    Ah well. RHYTHM has MYRH, I guess.

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to leflynn on Thu Aug 4 11:35:29 2022
    On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 14:10:32 -0700 (PDT)
    leflynn <leflynn@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 11:22:53 AM UTC-4, leflynn wrote:
    On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 10:45:16 PM UTC-4, Mark Brader wrote:
    Dunc M.:
    Time to revive the search for common 5-letter words (OED) whose letters - either all or some - cannot be rearranged into other words of at least
    two letters.
    If this is meant to be a mental puzzle, please ignore this response.

    I don't have access to a list of words in the OED, and I doubt that
    one is available online, but I do have access to the "Webster's 2nd"
    word list, and I wrote a suitable Perl program and ran it on that list.

    It claimed three hits: CIRRI, CIVIC, and QUICK.

    (I know some dictionaries admit QI as a word these days, which would disallow QUICK, but I say bah humbug to that. If Q occurs in a word followed by a letter other than U, it's not English.)

    As to the suggestions posted by other people, some due to misunderstanding the question, my program disallowed them because
    the words at right, or perhaps I should say the forms at right,
    were words in the list:

    LYNCH LY

    Mark Brader, Toronto | "To err is human, but to error requires a computer."
    m...@vex.net | -- Harry Lethall

    My text in this article is in the public domain.
    I believe "LY" only appears as "-ly suffix" in the OED. "QI" is there.
    Is "VIZIR" in your Webster's 2nd, and if so how did it fail?

    L. Flynn
    Some of the web2 word lists grabbed everything and removed hyphens
    I have three unabridged Websters in hardcopy.

    My Webster's 1st and 2nd only have "-ly" as a suffix. The third gives it as an abbreviation for Langley without a capital or period.

    CIRRI is in Webster's 1st, 2nd and 3rd as a plural of CIRRUS.

    QI is not in any of them. QUA and QUA have mixed presences across the three.

    Webster's 2nd has VIZIR as an alternate spelling for VIZIER.

    I'll start off the six-letter quest with SYZYGY .

    Have you got RHYTHM ?


    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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