• in English (phonology) H and P-B sounds are related?

    From HenHanna@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 21 14:10:36 2024
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    in English (phonology), the H, and P, B sounds are related?


    common phrase Hanky-Panky contains a H-P contrast

    H-B contrast in Hobo,
    "Hubdub" is a misspelling of "hubbub" ???


    Haberdasher: a seller of hats and men's clothing.


    _____________________ Well, H doesn't seem [bilabial] to me



    ........ the H, P, and B sounds in English phonology are related!

    They are all classified as bilabial consonants, meaning they are
    produced by closing your two lips together. However, they differ in
    their voicing:

    P: A voiceless bilabial plosive. When you pronounce "p", you close your
    lips completely and then release the built-up air with a pop. No
    vibration occurs in your vocal cords.

    B: A voiced bilabial plosive. Pronouncing "b" is similar to "p" but with vibration in your vocal cords along with the lip closure and release.
    This vibration creates a buzzing sound.

    H: A voiceless glottal fricative. This might seem like an outlier, but
    hear me out.

    In English, "h" is often produced by creating a slight
    puff of air by bringing your vocal cords close together, but not
    vibrating them, and opening your lips slightly.

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  • From Ruud Harmsen@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 22 16:01:21 2024
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    Tue, 21 May 2024 14:10:36 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
    scribeva:
    in English (phonology), the H, and P, B sounds are related?

    Please define you specific notion of "related" first, before anyone
    could even hope to answer you question sensibly.

    common phrase Hanky-Panky contains a H-P contrast

    H-B contrast in Hobo,
    "Hubdub" is a misspelling of "hubbub" ???


    Haberdasher: a seller of hats and men's clothing.


    _____________________ Well, H doesn't seem [bilabial] to me



    ........ the H, P, and B sounds in English phonology are related!

    They are all classified as bilabial consonants, meaning they are
    produced by closing your two lips together. However, they differ in
    their voicing:

    P: A voiceless bilabial plosive. When you pronounce "p", you close your
    lips completely and then release the built-up air with a pop. No
    vibration occurs in your vocal cords.

    B: A voiced bilabial plosive. Pronouncing "b" is similar to "p" but with >vibration in your vocal cords along with the lip closure and release.
    This vibration creates a buzzing sound.

    H: A voiceless glottal fricative. This might seem like an outlier, but
    hear me out.

    In English, "h" is often produced by creating a slight
    puff of air by bringing your vocal cords close together, but not
    vibrating them, and opening your lips slightly.

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Ruud Harmsen on Wed May 22 08:26:52 2024
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    On 5/22/2024 7:01 AM, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
    Tue, 21 May 2024 14:10:36 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
    scribeva:
    in English (phonology), the H, and P, B sounds are related?

    Please define you specific notion of "related" first, before anyone
    could even hope to answer you question sensibly.

    common phrase Hanky-Panky contains a H-P contrast

    H-B contrast in Hobo,
    "Hubdub" is a misspelling of "hubbub" ???


    Haberdasher: a seller of hats and men's clothing.


    _____________________ Well, H doesn't seem [bilabial] to me



    ........ the H, P, and B sounds in English phonology are related!

    They are all classified as bilabial consonants, meaning they are
    produced by closing your two lips together. However, they differ in
    their voicing:

    P: A voiceless bilabial plosive. When you pronounce "p", you close your
    lips completely and then release the built-up air with a pop. No
    vibration occurs in your vocal cords.

    B: A voiced bilabial plosive. Pronouncing "b" is similar to "p" but with
    vibration in your vocal cords along with the lip closure and release.
    This vibration creates a buzzing sound.

    H: A voiceless glottal fricative. This might seem like an outlier, but
    hear me out.

    In English, "h" is often produced by creating a slight
    puff of air by bringing your vocal cords close together, but not
    vibrating them, and opening your lips slightly.




    Please define you specific notion of "related" first, before anyone
    could even hope to answer you question sensibly.

    Yes... Since some of you are real linguists, i wondered if
    there's One (catch-all) category that includes H and P-B sounds


    --- like Glides and Semivowels


    >>> Glides are those sounds that have vowel-like qualities. They
    combine with vowels and are almost always followed by a vowel. They
    literally glide into the vowel sound. When working on individual
    phonemes, we want to try to keep the vowel sound from the end of the
    sound production.
    Our glides are wh, w, and y.

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Fri May 24 13:47:48 2024
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    On 5/22/2024 8:26 AM, HenHanna wrote:

    On 5/22/2024 7:01 AM, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
    Tue, 21 May 2024 14:10:36 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
    scribeva:
    in English (phonology), the H, and P,  B sounds are related?

    Please define you specific notion of "related" first, before anyone
    could even hope to answer you question sensibly.

    common phrase  Hanky-Panky contains a H-P contrast

                  H-B contrast in  Hobo,
                     "Hubdub" is a misspelling of "hubbub"  ???


               Haberdasher:   a seller of hats and men's clothing. >>>

    _____________________ Well,  H doesn't seem [bilabial] to me



        ........  the H, P, and B sounds in English phonology are related! >>>
    They are all classified as bilabial consonants, meaning they are
    produced by closing your two lips together. However, they differ in
    their voicing:

    P: A voiceless bilabial plosive. When you pronounce "p", you close your
    lips completely and then release the built-up air with a pop. No
    vibration occurs in your vocal cords.

    B: A voiced bilabial plosive. Pronouncing "b" is similar to "p" but with >>> vibration in your vocal cords along with the lip closure and release.
    This vibration creates a buzzing sound.

    H: A voiceless glottal fricative. This might seem like an outlier, but
    hear me out.

                    In English, "h" is often produced by creating a slight
    puff of air by bringing your vocal cords close together, but not
    vibrating them, and opening your lips slightly.




    Please define you specific notion of "related" first, before anyone
                could even hope to answer you question sensibly.

    Yes...  Since some of you are real linguists, i wondered if
           there's One (catch-all) category that includes   H and P-B sounds


            --- like   Glides and Semivowels


       >>>  Glides are those sounds that have vowel-like qualities. They combine with vowels and are almost always followed by a vowel. They
    literally glide into the vowel sound. When working on individual
    phonemes, we want to try to keep the vowel sound from the end of the
    sound production.
                       Our glides are    wh, w, and y.



    Also.... I'm wondering if ...

    normal with dakuten ( ゙ ) with handakuten ( ゚ )
    か = ka が = ga
    さ = sa ざ = za
    た = ta だ = da
    は = ha ば = ba ぱ = pa


    THe last Row here (which connects H, B, P)

    --- is this based on solid phonology(phonetics), or is Accidental ?




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