• PTD on Baring-Gould's Annotated Sherlock Holmes

    From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Peter Moylan on Thu Apr 11 04:31:06 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english, sci.lang

    so it seems PTD liked the SH edition by W. S. Baring-Gould

    but he thought the Re-ordering was ill-conceived.

    i tend to agree with that.

    Oxford SH reordered REDH and IDEN.
    ------ i don't like the reordering, but it much less bothersome!



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    Peter T. Daniels -- Apr 8, 2015, 10:10:07 AM

    Is that the recent one by a youngish American, which was sold in 3
    separate volumes over several years and hasn't yet turned up in the
    secondhand stores? Or the classic by W. S. Baring-Gould?


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    Peter T. Daniels -- Mar 24, 2019, 9:53:20 AM

    It's not impossible that the single occurrence in a Sherlock Holmes
    story brought it to daily use in at least some parts of Britain --
    Holmes was immensely popular. The X-Men of his day (and it only took one
    of him).


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    Peter T. Daniels -- Apr 7, 2019, 11:19:24 AM

    On Sunday, April 7, 2019 at 10:19:11 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 07/04/19 20:49, Janet wrote:

    Patricia Cornwell's clumsy use of language is damaging your
    understanding and use of English.

    I've been wondering about that. Clearly Cornwell's prose is not admired
    by AUE regulars. But should we apply native-language standards when the reader is not a native speaker? Perhaps her very lack of elegance makes
    her suitable reading for someone whose command of English is lower than ours.

    I can't answer that question because I don't read much of that genre. I
    can make an analogy with science fiction, though, a genre where I have a large collection of books. In the SF world Isaac Asimov is occasionally criticised because he is not a stylist. He has a "plain language" style
    of writing. But it's that very quality that would prompt me to recommend
    him to a beginner, including a beginner who has English as a second language.



    Asimov's fiction-writing was deadly -- his novels were un-rereadable,
    because they existed solely for the plot. There was no subtlety at all,
    no interest in "character," let alone "character development."

    It may be the same characteristics that made his science writing so
    good. He was superb at explaining.

    It may also be those characteristics that deterred me from trying the
    history books -- or maybe it was from reading the Guides to the Bible
    and to Shakespeare.

    In each case, he was interested in nothing but
    explaining the allusions to bygone eras and phenomena.

    The very organization of the Shakespeare book into the "historical"
    order in which the action of each play took place was bizarre

    -- quite possibly inspired by Baring-Gould's Annotated Sherlock
    Holmes, which devotes a very tedious amount of space to determining the
    exact dates on which each story took place.

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 12 21:30:45 2024
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    Was PTD more of a Presence in Sci.Lang or in AUE?

    Was he a BIG FISH in other groups?

    When did he come to Usenet?




    so it seems  PTD liked the SH edition by  W. S. Baring-Gould

               but he thought the Re-ordering was ill-conceived.

                                            i tend to agree with that.

    Oxford SH reordered REDH and IDEN.
           ------ i don't like the reordering, but it much less bothersome!



    ____________________________________________________________
    Peter T. Daniels   --  Apr 8, 2015, 10:10:07 AM

    Is that the recent one by a youngish American, which was sold in 3
    separate volumes over several years and hasn't yet turned up in the secondhand stores?      Or the classic by W. S. Baring-Gould?


    _______________________________________________________Cooee!
    Peter T. Daniels  --  Mar 24, 2019, 9:53:20 AM

    It's not impossible that the single occurrence in a Sherlock Holmes
    story brought it to daily use in at least some parts of Britain --
    Holmes was immensely popular. The X-Men of his day (and it only took one
    of him).


    ________________________________________________________________
    Peter T. Daniels   --   Apr 7, 2019, 11:19:24 AM

    On Sunday, April 7, 2019 at 10:19:11 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 07/04/19 20:49, Janet wrote:

    Patricia Cornwell's clumsy use of language is damaging your understanding and use of English.

    I've been wondering about that. Clearly Cornwell's prose is not admired
    by AUE regulars. But should we apply native-language standards when the reader is not a native speaker? Perhaps her very lack of elegance makes her suitable reading for someone whose command of English is lower than ours.

    I can't answer that question because I don't read much of that genre. I can make an analogy with science fiction, though, a genre where I have a large collection of books. In the SF world Isaac Asimov is occasionally criticised because he is not a stylist. He has a "plain language" style
    of writing. But it's that very quality that would prompt me to recommend him to a beginner, including a beginner who has English as a second language.



    Asimov's fiction-writing was deadly -- his novels were un-rereadable,
    because they existed solely for the plot. There was no subtlety at all,
    no interest in "character," let alone "character development."

    It may be the same characteristics that made his science writing so good.     He was superb at explaining.

    It may also be those characteristics that deterred me from trying the
    history books -- or maybe it was from reading the Guides to the Bible
    and to Shakespeare.

    In each case, he was interested in nothing but
    explaining the allusions to bygone eras and phenomena.

    The very organization of the Shakespeare book into the "historical"
    order in which the action of each play took place was bizarre

     -- quite possibly inspired by Baring-Gould's Annotated Sherlock
    Holmes, which devotes a very tedious amount of space to determining the
    exact dates on which each story took place.


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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 13 09:34:19 2024
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    Ar an dara lá déag de mí Aibreán, scríobh HenHanna:

    Was PTD more of a Presence in Sci.Lang or in AUE?

    I was never active in alt.usage.english so I can’t comment.

    Was he a BIG FISH in other groups?

    When did he come to Usenet?

    Google Group suggests about 1997.

    He doesn’t appear to be active anymore, not a great use of your time to obsess
    about him.

    --
    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
    (C. Moore)

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