Hello!
I'm looking to construct a color darkroom at home.
Anyone looking to sell a tabletop color processor ie. Fujimoto CP-31/CP-51, etc.
Thank you!
Hello!
I'm looking to construct a color darkroom at home.
Anyone looking to sell a tabletop color processor ie. Fujimoto CP-31/CP-51, etc.
Thank you!
On 03/10/2020 04:39, Vikesh Kapoor wrote:Have you done anything about it? Because I'm also looking for a
Hello!Have you managed to resolve this problem yet ?
I'm looking to construct a color darkroom at home.
Anyone looking to sell a tabletop color processor ie. Fujimoto
CP-31/CP-51, etc.
Thank you!
AT
Στις 3/6/2021 4:12 μ.μ., ο/η Abandoned_Trolley έγραψε:
On 03/10/2020 04:39, Vikesh Kapoor wrote:Have you done anything about it? Because I'm also looking for a
Hello!Have you managed to resolve this problem yet ?
I'm looking to construct a color darkroom at home.
Anyone looking to sell a tabletop color processor ie. Fujimoto
CP-31/CP-51, etc.
Thank you!
AT
second-hand colour enlarger, plus lens, plus paper tank. It's not really
that difficult, I have done it in the past both with RA 4 and
Cibachrome, and it's very exciting, and fruitful. No algorithm, no
photoshop and no inkjet printer can reach the beauty of a colour print printed by hand by an experienced printer, IMHO. I hope I can find
something locally. Unless someone has to one, to sell me a "turntable"
of blue, red and green filters that go under the lens of a normal B&W enlarger,and wishes to ship it in Greece, preferably with a paper tank.I
can pay with paypal for shipment and a reasonable fee for the goods.
where normally the red filter goes, and with the additive system you do
three different exposures on the same piece of paper. I have put adds
OTOH here locally for an enlarger.
On 14/07/2021 17:30, Dimitris Tzortzakakis wrote:
Στις 3/6/2021 4:12 μ.μ., ο/η Abandoned_Trolley έγραψε:
On 03/10/2020 04:39, Vikesh Kapoor wrote:Have you done anything about it? Because I'm also looking for a
Hello!Have you managed to resolve this problem yet ?
I'm looking to construct a color darkroom at home.
Anyone looking to sell a tabletop color processor ie. Fujimoto
CP-31/CP-51, etc.
Thank you!
AT
second-hand colour enlarger, plus lens, plus paper tank. It's not
really that difficult, I have done it in the past both with RA 4 and
Cibachrome, and it's very exciting, and fruitful. No algorithm, no
photoshop and no inkjet printer can reach the beauty of a colour print
printed by hand by an experienced printer, IMHO. I hope I can find
something locally. Unless someone has to one, to sell me a "turntable"
of blue, red and green filters that go under the lens of a normal B&W
enlarger,and wishes to ship it in Greece, preferably with a paper
tank.I can pay with paypal for shipment and a reasonable fee for the
goods. where normally the red filter goes, and with the additive
system you do three different exposures on the same piece of paper. I
have put adds OTOH here locally for an enlarger.
My apologies, I didn't realise you lived in Greece so did not appreciate
the difficulties which you are having
Anyway, right at the moment I don't need to do anything about it as I
have a Meteor Siegen roller transport processor which handles paper up
to 40cm wide. but its not exactly a "table top" arrangement - the dev
and blix tanks are 9 litres each.
So, I dont know if any of this is any use, but here's a few things which might possibly help.
First, before I got the Meteor processor I was using a Cibachrome
processor which I picked up cheap on eBay. You probably know that
Cibachrome is a 24 degree process which I think is 3 minutes per bath. I fiddled about with the thermostat bit and changed the drive gears so
that it was running at 45 seconds per bath. I don't think anybody is processing Cibachrome any more so its possible that some of these things
are still around. Anyway, it might be possible to adapt something for
your use. Failing that, there's some other tabletop processors from
Durst and other makers which may be worth considering.
Alternatively, you might be able to develop a technique for daylight processing by popping the paper in to a film developing tank. If you
leave the film spirals out then you can easily stick a 5x7 paper in
around the edge then pop the lid on and carry on in daylight
Second, I have heard some reports from somebody on photo.net saying that
they have had some success with RA4 processing in open dishes. Obviously
this has to be done in total darkness unless you can find one of those (almost useless) colour safelights. If you are working in the dark then
45 seconds per bath can be a bit tricky, so I think he ran the dishes at maybe 20 or 24 degrees, and adjusted the time to about 3 minutes ?
Keeping dishes at a constant 38 degrees is a bit of a non starter
anyway, so you need to spend a bit of time fiddling about to work out
some sort of process.
Basically, there is a number of ways that you might consider RA4
processing WITHOUT using a roller transport processor at all.
Third, unless you have some overpowering reason for not doing so, I
would strongly advise you to forget about the "filter drawer" techniques
and simply get a proper colour enlarger. You then dial up the filter
density required.
If you are doing any B&W processing then multigrade papers seem to
assume the use of a colour enlarger anyway - I don't even know where to
get graded papers from these days (no - DONT bother to tell me)
Also, don't forget that a large chunk of B&W printing is done using B&W
RA4 paper anyway, to save the labs running a separate "normal" B&W process.
One of my earliest enlargers was a Durst 606 with a filter drawer but I
am sure that it dated back to the sixties. Basically, I think additive systems and filter drawers went out with the Ark
AT
Στις 17/7/2021 11:57 μ.μ., ο/η Abandoned_Trolley έγραψε:some processors but no fujimoto, delivers all over Europe, for Greece
On 14/07/2021 17:30, Dimitris Tzortzakakis wrote:thanks a lot for replying. yes I live in Greece in the island of Crete
Στις 3/6/2021 4:12 μ.μ., ο/η Abandoned_Trolley έγραψε:
On 03/10/2020 04:39, Vikesh Kapoor wrote:Have you done anything about it? Because I'm also looking for a
Hello!Have you managed to resolve this problem yet ?
I'm looking to construct a color darkroom at home.
Anyone looking to sell a tabletop color processor ie. Fujimoto
CP-31/CP-51, etc.
Thank you!
AT
second-hand colour enlarger, plus lens, plus paper tank. It's not
really that difficult, I have done it in the past both with RA 4 and
Cibachrome, and it's very exciting, and fruitful. No algorithm, no
photoshop and no inkjet printer can reach the beauty of a colour
print printed by hand by an experienced printer, IMHO. I hope I can
find something locally. Unless someone has to one, to sell me a
"turntable" of blue, red and green filters that go under the lens of
a normal B&W enlarger,and wishes to ship it in Greece, preferably
with a paper tank.I can pay with paypal for shipment and a reasonable
fee for the goods. where normally the red filter goes, and with the
additive system you do three different exposures on the same piece of
paper. I have put adds OTOH here locally for an enlarger.
My apologies, I didn't realise you lived in Greece so did not
appreciate the difficulties which you are having
Anyway, right at the moment I don't need to do anything about it as I
have a Meteor Siegen roller transport processor which handles paper up
to 40cm wide. but its not exactly a "table top" arrangement - the dev
and blix tanks are 9 litres each.
So, I dont know if any of this is any use, but here's a few things
which might possibly help.
First, before I got the Meteor processor I was using a Cibachrome
processor which I picked up cheap on eBay. You probably know that
Cibachrome is a 24 degree process which I think is 3 minutes per bath.
I fiddled about with the thermostat bit and changed the drive gears so
that it was running at 45 seconds per bath. I don't think anybody is
processing Cibachrome any more so its possible that some of these
things are still around. Anyway, it might be possible to adapt
something for your use. Failing that, there's some other tabletop
processors from Durst and other makers which may be worth considering.
Alternatively, you might be able to develop a technique for daylight
processing by popping the paper in to a film developing tank. If you
leave the film spirals out then you can easily stick a 5x7 paper in
around the edge then pop the lid on and carry on in daylight
Second, I have heard some reports from somebody on photo.net saying
that they have had some success with RA4 processing in open dishes.
Obviously this has to be done in total darkness unless you can find
one of those (almost useless) colour safelights. If you are working in
the dark then 45 seconds per bath can be a bit tricky, so I think he
ran the dishes at maybe 20 or 24 degrees, and adjusted the time to
about 3 minutes ? Keeping dishes at a constant 38 degrees is a bit of
a non starter anyway, so you need to spend a bit of time fiddling
about to work out some sort of process.
Basically, there is a number of ways that you might consider RA4
processing WITHOUT using a roller transport processor at all.
Third, unless you have some overpowering reason for not doing so, I
would strongly advise you to forget about the "filter drawer"
techniques and simply get a proper colour enlarger. You then dial up
the filter density required.
If you are doing any B&W processing then multigrade papers seem to
assume the use of a colour enlarger anyway - I don't even know where
to get graded papers from these days (no - DONT bother to tell me)
Also, don't forget that a large chunk of B&W printing is done using
B&W RA4 paper anyway, to save the labs running a separate "normal" B&W
process.
One of my earliest enlargers was a Durst 606 with a filter drawer but
I am sure that it dated back to the sixties. Basically, I think
additive systems and filter drawers went out with the Ark
AT
which is the southmost place in Greece, halfway to Africa. My city
(Iraklion) is quite big so I have some opportunities of finding used
darkroom and photo equipment. My current enlarger (meopta axomat II)
doesn't even have a filter drawer so I had to buy a set of multigrade
filters (Ilford of course) that goes under the lens, from the excellent macodirect.de site. I don't mind using a paper tank, that's like a
normal film tank in the sense that you load it in total darkness but you process in daylight. It has some special grooves and can accept several
paper sizes. My old enlarger (Meopta opemus 6) had two heads, one
condenser with a filter drawer for B&W and a diffusion colour head with regular subtractive filters. This with all my equipment I foolishly gave
away when the digital came, I never thought I'd go back. Anyway since
I'm a humble electrician I'm looking for a solution that won't cost an
arm and a leg and preferably, something local or at least in Athens. I
did also Cibachrome back in the day, but it's discontinued, alas. I also
did RA 4 and the also discontinued R3 (reversal chromogenic paper like Cibachrome but with different process). I'd rather not use a film tank
for paper processing as it doesn't have any grooves and the paper might
slip and I'd rather use a bigger size than 5X7, maybe 18X24 cm. A packet
of 100 costs 50 euros in macodirect plus tetenal chemicals for 18
papers, 15 euros, so the cost is not prohibitevely high. No, I'd rather
not develop RA4 in dishes as my darkroom is quite cramped up and I'd
have difficutly with it, anyway I found even in ebay used paper tanks
for every wallet. They're very convenient. I'm sure that such a
processor doesn't exist here in iraklion. I know how to use a colour enlarger, but I haven't done so in almost 20 years. And I lived to tell
the tale :-) Macodirect has many kinds of paper I think even graded a
search is quite easy. My enlarger must be at least from the '70s because
in the infamous lightmaster there was A Siemens capacitor dated
2/1972!!!But it was completely free and with a ton of other goods,
including papers, but alas, no easel or multigrade filters or even a red filter (it was destroyed). I don't even know how its late previous owner printed at all.
D.T.check this out, www.secondhanddarkroom.co.uk, excellent site, has even
Στις 20/7/2021 11:47 μ.μ., ο/η Dimitris Tzortzakakis έγραψε:update: I chose an Axomat versus the Opemus which I used to have. The
Στις 17/7/2021 11:57 μ.μ., ο/η Abandoned_Trolley έγραψε:some processors but no fujimoto, delivers all over Europe, for Greece
On 14/07/2021 17:30, Dimitris Tzortzakakis wrote:thanks a lot for replying. yes I live in Greece in the island of Crete
Στις 3/6/2021 4:12 μ.μ., ο/η Abandoned_Trolley έγραψε:
On 03/10/2020 04:39, Vikesh Kapoor wrote:Have you done anything about it? Because I'm also looking for a
Hello!Have you managed to resolve this problem yet ?
I'm looking to construct a color darkroom at home.
Anyone looking to sell a tabletop color processor ie. Fujimoto
CP-31/CP-51, etc.
Thank you!
AT
second-hand colour enlarger, plus lens, plus paper tank. It's not
really that difficult, I have done it in the past both with RA 4 and
Cibachrome, and it's very exciting, and fruitful. No algorithm, no
photoshop and no inkjet printer can reach the beauty of a colour
print printed by hand by an experienced printer, IMHO. I hope I can
find something locally. Unless someone has to one, to sell me a
"turntable" of blue, red and green filters that go under the lens of
a normal B&W enlarger,and wishes to ship it in Greece, preferably
with a paper tank.I can pay with paypal for shipment and a
reasonable fee for the goods. where normally the red filter goes,
and with the additive system you do three different exposures on the
same piece of paper. I have put adds OTOH here locally for an enlarger. >>>
My apologies, I didn't realise you lived in Greece so did not
appreciate the difficulties which you are having
Anyway, right at the moment I don't need to do anything about it as I
have a Meteor Siegen roller transport processor which handles paper
up to 40cm wide. but its not exactly a "table top" arrangement - the
dev and blix tanks are 9 litres each.
So, I dont know if any of this is any use, but here's a few things
which might possibly help.
First, before I got the Meteor processor I was using a Cibachrome
processor which I picked up cheap on eBay. You probably know that
Cibachrome is a 24 degree process which I think is 3 minutes per
bath. I fiddled about with the thermostat bit and changed the drive
gears so that it was running at 45 seconds per bath. I don't think
anybody is processing Cibachrome any more so its possible that some
of these things are still around. Anyway, it might be possible to
adapt something for your use. Failing that, there's some other
tabletop processors from Durst and other makers which may be worth
considering.
Alternatively, you might be able to develop a technique for daylight
processing by popping the paper in to a film developing tank. If you
leave the film spirals out then you can easily stick a 5x7 paper in
around the edge then pop the lid on and carry on in daylight
Second, I have heard some reports from somebody on photo.net saying
that they have had some success with RA4 processing in open dishes.
Obviously this has to be done in total darkness unless you can find
one of those (almost useless) colour safelights. If you are working
in the dark then 45 seconds per bath can be a bit tricky, so I think
he ran the dishes at maybe 20 or 24 degrees, and adjusted the time to
about 3 minutes ? Keeping dishes at a constant 38 degrees is a bit of
a non starter anyway, so you need to spend a bit of time fiddling
about to work out some sort of process.
Basically, there is a number of ways that you might consider RA4
processing WITHOUT using a roller transport processor at all.
Third, unless you have some overpowering reason for not doing so, I
would strongly advise you to forget about the "filter drawer"
techniques and simply get a proper colour enlarger. You then dial up
the filter density required.
If you are doing any B&W processing then multigrade papers seem to
assume the use of a colour enlarger anyway - I don't even know where
to get graded papers from these days (no - DONT bother to tell me)
Also, don't forget that a large chunk of B&W printing is done using
B&W RA4 paper anyway, to save the labs running a separate "normal"
B&W process.
One of my earliest enlargers was a Durst 606 with a filter drawer but
I am sure that it dated back to the sixties. Basically, I think
additive systems and filter drawers went out with the Ark
AT
which is the southmost place in Greece, halfway to Africa. My city
(Iraklion) is quite big so I have some opportunities of finding used
darkroom and photo equipment. My current enlarger (meopta axomat II)
doesn't even have a filter drawer so I had to buy a set of multigrade
filters (Ilford of course) that goes under the lens, from the
excellent macodirect.de site. I don't mind using a paper tank, that's
like a normal film tank in the sense that you load it in total
darkness but you process in daylight. It has some special grooves and
can accept several paper sizes. My old enlarger (Meopta opemus 6) had
two heads, one condenser with a filter drawer for B&W and a diffusion
colour head with regular subtractive filters. This with all my
equipment I foolishly gave away when the digital came, I never thought
I'd go back. Anyway since I'm a humble electrician I'm looking for a
solution that won't cost an arm and a leg and preferably, something
local or at least in Athens. I did also Cibachrome back in the day,
but it's discontinued, alas. I also did RA 4 and the also discontinued
R3 (reversal chromogenic paper like Cibachrome but with different
process). I'd rather not use a film tank for paper processing as it
doesn't have any grooves and the paper might slip and I'd rather use a
bigger size than 5X7, maybe 18X24 cm. A packet of 100 costs 50 euros
in macodirect plus tetenal chemicals for 18 papers, 15 euros, so the
cost is not prohibitevely high. No, I'd rather not develop RA4 in
dishes as my darkroom is quite cramped up and I'd have difficutly with
it, anyway I found even in ebay used paper tanks for every wallet.
They're very convenient. I'm sure that such a processor doesn't exist
here in iraklion. I know how to use a colour enlarger, but I haven't
done so in almost 20 years. And I lived to tell the tale :-)
Macodirect has many kinds of paper I think even graded a search is
quite easy. My enlarger must be at least from the '70s because in the
infamous lightmaster there was A Siemens capacitor dated 2/1972!!!But
it was completely free and with a ton of other goods, including
papers, but alas, no easel or multigrade filters or even a red filter
(it was destroyed). I don't even know how its late previous owner
printed at all.
D.T.check this out, www.secondhanddarkroom.co.uk, excellent site, has
even
has a 30 pounds surcharge, and has literally everything! I'm thinking of getting a Meopta Axomat 5 colour, a Jobo 2850 drum (IIRC) it's all for
¬200 pounds plus 30 plus the import VAT when they arrive. I can either
get an enlarger lens from them (they start at 15 pounds!!) with a
different order, and maybe a philips colour analyzer for 35 pounds, or
from an excellent shop in Athens which has marumi enlarger lenses for 50 euros. Chemicals and paper from macodirect.de HTH.HAND. (I don't know if there's something similar in USA;B&H in NY has obviously everything but
with hefty prices!)
Στις 10/8/2021 2:23 μ.μ., ο/η Dimitris Tzortzakakis έγραψε:I finally ordered these in one big order from the UK, Meopta Axomat 5 35
Στις 20/7/2021 11:47 μ.μ., ο/η Dimitris Tzortzakakis έγραψε: >>> Στις 17/7/2021 11:57 μ.μ., ο/η Abandoned_Trolley έγραψε:update: I chose an Axomat versus the Opemus which I used to have. The
some processors but no fujimoto, delivers all over Europe, for GreeceOn 14/07/2021 17:30, Dimitris Tzortzakakis wrote:thanks a lot for replying. yes I live in Greece in the island of
Στις 3/6/2021 4:12 μ.μ., ο/η Abandoned_Trolley έγραψε: >>>>>> On 03/10/2020 04:39, Vikesh Kapoor wrote:
Have you done anything about it? Because I'm also looking for aHello!Have you managed to resolve this problem yet ?
I'm looking to construct a color darkroom at home.
Anyone looking to sell a tabletop color processor ie. Fujimoto
CP-31/CP-51, etc.
Thank you!
AT
second-hand colour enlarger, plus lens, plus paper tank. It's not
really that difficult, I have done it in the past both with RA 4
and Cibachrome, and it's very exciting, and fruitful. No algorithm,
no photoshop and no inkjet printer can reach the beauty of a colour
print printed by hand by an experienced printer, IMHO. I hope I can
find something locally. Unless someone has to one, to sell me a
"turntable" of blue, red and green filters that go under the lens
of a normal B&W enlarger,and wishes to ship it in Greece,
preferably with a paper tank.I can pay with paypal for shipment and
a reasonable fee for the goods. where normally the red filter goes,
and with the additive system you do three different exposures on
the same piece of paper. I have put adds OTOH here locally for an
enlarger.
My apologies, I didn't realise you lived in Greece so did not
appreciate the difficulties which you are having
Anyway, right at the moment I don't need to do anything about it as
I have a Meteor Siegen roller transport processor which handles
paper up to 40cm wide. but its not exactly a "table top" arrangement
- the dev and blix tanks are 9 litres each.
So, I dont know if any of this is any use, but here's a few things
which might possibly help.
First, before I got the Meteor processor I was using a Cibachrome
processor which I picked up cheap on eBay. You probably know that
Cibachrome is a 24 degree process which I think is 3 minutes per
bath. I fiddled about with the thermostat bit and changed the drive
gears so that it was running at 45 seconds per bath. I don't think
anybody is processing Cibachrome any more so its possible that some
of these things are still around. Anyway, it might be possible to
adapt something for your use. Failing that, there's some other
tabletop processors from Durst and other makers which may be worth
considering.
Alternatively, you might be able to develop a technique for daylight
processing by popping the paper in to a film developing tank. If you
leave the film spirals out then you can easily stick a 5x7 paper in
around the edge then pop the lid on and carry on in daylight
Second, I have heard some reports from somebody on photo.net saying
that they have had some success with RA4 processing in open dishes.
Obviously this has to be done in total darkness unless you can find
one of those (almost useless) colour safelights. If you are working
in the dark then 45 seconds per bath can be a bit tricky, so I think
he ran the dishes at maybe 20 or 24 degrees, and adjusted the time
to about 3 minutes ? Keeping dishes at a constant 38 degrees is a
bit of a non starter anyway, so you need to spend a bit of time
fiddling about to work out some sort of process.
Basically, there is a number of ways that you might consider RA4
processing WITHOUT using a roller transport processor at all.
Third, unless you have some overpowering reason for not doing so, I
would strongly advise you to forget about the "filter drawer"
techniques and simply get a proper colour enlarger. You then dial up
the filter density required.
If you are doing any B&W processing then multigrade papers seem to
assume the use of a colour enlarger anyway - I don't even know where
to get graded papers from these days (no - DONT bother to tell me)
Also, don't forget that a large chunk of B&W printing is done using
B&W RA4 paper anyway, to save the labs running a separate "normal"
B&W process.
One of my earliest enlargers was a Durst 606 with a filter drawer
but I am sure that it dated back to the sixties. Basically, I think
additive systems and filter drawers went out with the Ark
AT
Crete which is the southmost place in Greece, halfway to Africa. My
city (Iraklion) is quite big so I have some opportunities of finding
used darkroom and photo equipment. My current enlarger (meopta axomat
II) doesn't even have a filter drawer so I had to buy a set of
multigrade filters (Ilford of course) that goes under the lens, from
the excellent macodirect.de site. I don't mind using a paper tank,
that's like a normal film tank in the sense that you load it in total
darkness but you process in daylight. It has some special grooves and
can accept several paper sizes. My old enlarger (Meopta opemus 6) had
two heads, one condenser with a filter drawer for B&W and a diffusion
colour head with regular subtractive filters. This with all my
equipment I foolishly gave away when the digital came, I never
thought I'd go back. Anyway since I'm a humble electrician I'm
looking for a solution that won't cost an arm and a leg and
preferably, something local or at least in Athens. I did also
Cibachrome back in the day, but it's discontinued, alas. I also did
RA 4 and the also discontinued R3 (reversal chromogenic paper like
Cibachrome but with different process). I'd rather not use a film
tank for paper processing as it doesn't have any grooves and the
paper might slip and I'd rather use a bigger size than 5X7, maybe
18X24 cm. A packet of 100 costs 50 euros in macodirect plus tetenal
chemicals for 18 papers, 15 euros, so the cost is not prohibitevely
high. No, I'd rather not develop RA4 in dishes as my darkroom is
quite cramped up and I'd have difficutly with it, anyway I found even
in ebay used paper tanks for every wallet. They're very convenient.
I'm sure that such a processor doesn't exist here in iraklion. I know
how to use a colour enlarger, but I haven't done so in almost 20
years. And I lived to tell the tale :-) Macodirect has many kinds of
paper I think even graded a search is quite easy. My enlarger must be
at least from the '70s because in the infamous lightmaster there was
A Siemens capacitor dated 2/1972!!!But it was completely free and
with a ton of other goods, including papers, but alas, no easel or
multigrade filters or even a red filter (it was destroyed). I don't
even know how its late previous owner printed at all.
D.T.check this out, www.secondhanddarkroom.co.uk, excellent site, has
even
has a 30 pounds surcharge, and has literally everything! I'm thinking
of getting a Meopta Axomat 5 colour, a Jobo 2850 drum (IIRC) it's all
for ¬200 pounds plus 30 plus the import VAT when they arrive. I can
either get an enlarger lens from them (they start at 15 pounds!!) with
a different order, and maybe a philips colour analyzer for 35 pounds,
or from an excellent shop in Athens which has marumi enlarger lenses
for 50 euros. Chemicals and paper from macodirect.de HTH.HAND. (I
don't know if there's something similar in USA;B&H in NY has obviously
everything but with hefty prices!)
Axomat is 35 mm only while the Opemus can also enlarge 120 film, with
the proper lens goes without saying. The Opemus has a much bigger and
heavier condenser lens, which would be a disadvantage my enlarger being shipped from the UK. The Opemus uses an 150 W opal lamp while the Axomat
only an 75 W. The Axomat has a much more robust friction drive, while
the Meopta has a less good cog drive, which is made of plastic and in
the case of my Opemus wore out and my enlarger was almost bricked. As
for the Jobo 2850 it costs 89 pounds and is out of my price range.the
4551 costs 39 pounds and looks much more robust than the 2850 which had
a "tooth" system to seal which was much more difficult to use in total darkenss and I was always afraid to break something. I used to have it
too. The Philips PCA 061 analyzer sells for 55 pounds (not 35!!) and I
can't afford it. as for the marumi lens- https://www.giannatosfoto.gr/?product=%cf%86%ce%b1%ce%ba%cf%8c%cf%82-%ce%bc%ce%b5%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%b8%cf%85%ce%bd%cf%84%ce%b7%cf%81%ce%b1-50mm-f35-102
seems quite a good choice I pay only 10 euros for shipping from Athens.
Only Fuji manufactures RA 4 paper now 100 18X24 only 40 euros. https://www.macodirect.de/papier/farbpapier/fuji-crystal-archive-farbfotopapier-glaenzend-17-8x24cm-7x9-5-100-blatt?c=25
there's practically only one 1L kit for RA 4 from Tetenal https://www.macodirect.de/chemie/farbchemie/ra-4/tetenal-magic-box-ra-4-entwickler-kit-fuer-23-blatt-18-24-cm?c=51
16 euros macodirect does deliver in Greece as the orders are shipped
with trucks something very important with chemistry as they're not
accepted as cargo in planes.
I choose to do the whole developing process preferably on a hot summer
day, with plenty of hot water from the solar boiler. I fill the sink
with hot water at the correct temperature and put all the chemical
bottles in it. I also need a digital thermometer with a 0,1 C precision
a friend has one in a store here. Strange enough macodirect has none
precise enough.
Στις 11/8/2021 6:31 μ.μ., ο/η Dimitris Tzortzakakis έγραψε:The Thursday before last came the packet from the UK. Everything in good condition, the lens is as agood as new-only thing the cable for the lamp
Στις 10/8/2021 2:23 μ.μ., ο/η Dimitris Tzortzakakis έγραψε: >>> Στις 20/7/2021 11:47 μ.μ., ο/η Dimitris Tzortzakakis έγραψε: >>>> Στις 17/7/2021 11:57 μ.μ., ο/η Abandoned_Trolley έγραψε: >>>>> On 14/07/2021 17:30, Dimitris Tzortzakakis wrote:I finally ordered these in one big order from the UK, Meopta Axomat 5 35
update: I chose an Axomat versus the Opemus which I used to have. Thesome processors but no fujimoto, delivers all over Europe, for Greecethanks a lot for replying. yes I live in Greece in the island ofΣτις 3/6/2021 4:12 μ.μ., ο/η Abandoned_Trolley έγραψε: >>>>>>> On 03/10/2020 04:39, Vikesh Kapoor wrote:
Have you done anything about it? Because I'm also looking for aHello!Have you managed to resolve this problem yet ?
I'm looking to construct a color darkroom at home.
Anyone looking to sell a tabletop color processor ie. Fujimoto >>>>>>>> CP-31/CP-51, etc.
Thank you!
AT
second-hand colour enlarger, plus lens, plus paper tank. It's not
really that difficult, I have done it in the past both with RA 4
and Cibachrome, and it's very exciting, and fruitful. No
algorithm, no photoshop and no inkjet printer can reach the beauty >>>>>> of a colour print printed by hand by an experienced printer, IMHO. >>>>>> I hope I can find something locally. Unless someone has to one, to >>>>>> sell me a "turntable" of blue, red and green filters that go under >>>>>> the lens of a normal B&W enlarger,and wishes to ship it in Greece, >>>>>> preferably with a paper tank.I can pay with paypal for shipment
and a reasonable fee for the goods. where normally the red filter
goes, and with the additive system you do three different
exposures on the same piece of paper. I have put adds OTOH here
locally for an enlarger.
My apologies, I didn't realise you lived in Greece so did not
appreciate the difficulties which you are having
Anyway, right at the moment I don't need to do anything about it as
I have a Meteor Siegen roller transport processor which handles
paper up to 40cm wide. but its not exactly a "table top"
arrangement - the dev and blix tanks are 9 litres each.
So, I dont know if any of this is any use, but here's a few things
which might possibly help.
First, before I got the Meteor processor I was using a Cibachrome
processor which I picked up cheap on eBay. You probably know that
Cibachrome is a 24 degree process which I think is 3 minutes per
bath. I fiddled about with the thermostat bit and changed the drive
gears so that it was running at 45 seconds per bath. I don't think
anybody is processing Cibachrome any more so its possible that some
of these things are still around. Anyway, it might be possible to
adapt something for your use. Failing that, there's some other
tabletop processors from Durst and other makers which may be worth
considering.
Alternatively, you might be able to develop a technique for
daylight processing by popping the paper in to a film developing
tank. If you leave the film spirals out then you can easily stick a
5x7 paper in around the edge then pop the lid on and carry on in
daylight
Second, I have heard some reports from somebody on photo.net saying
that they have had some success with RA4 processing in open dishes.
Obviously this has to be done in total darkness unless you can find
one of those (almost useless) colour safelights. If you are working
in the dark then 45 seconds per bath can be a bit tricky, so I
think he ran the dishes at maybe 20 or 24 degrees, and adjusted the
time to about 3 minutes ? Keeping dishes at a constant 38 degrees
is a bit of a non starter anyway, so you need to spend a bit of
time fiddling about to work out some sort of process.
Basically, there is a number of ways that you might consider RA4
processing WITHOUT using a roller transport processor at all.
Third, unless you have some overpowering reason for not doing so, I
would strongly advise you to forget about the "filter drawer"
techniques and simply get a proper colour enlarger. You then dial
up the filter density required.
If you are doing any B&W processing then multigrade papers seem to
assume the use of a colour enlarger anyway - I don't even know
where to get graded papers from these days (no - DONT bother to
tell me)
Also, don't forget that a large chunk of B&W printing is done using
B&W RA4 paper anyway, to save the labs running a separate "normal"
B&W process.
One of my earliest enlargers was a Durst 606 with a filter drawer
but I am sure that it dated back to the sixties. Basically, I think
additive systems and filter drawers went out with the Ark
AT
Crete which is the southmost place in Greece, halfway to Africa. My
city (Iraklion) is quite big so I have some opportunities of finding
used darkroom and photo equipment. My current enlarger (meopta
axomat II) doesn't even have a filter drawer so I had to buy a set
of multigrade filters (Ilford of course) that goes under the lens,
from the excellent macodirect.de site. I don't mind using a paper
tank, that's like a normal film tank in the sense that you load it
in total darkness but you process in daylight. It has some special
grooves and can accept several paper sizes. My old enlarger (Meopta
opemus 6) had two heads, one condenser with a filter drawer for B&W
and a diffusion colour head with regular subtractive filters. This
with all my equipment I foolishly gave away when the digital came, I
never thought I'd go back. Anyway since I'm a humble electrician I'm
looking for a solution that won't cost an arm and a leg and
preferably, something local or at least in Athens. I did also
Cibachrome back in the day, but it's discontinued, alas. I also did
RA 4 and the also discontinued R3 (reversal chromogenic paper like
Cibachrome but with different process). I'd rather not use a film
tank for paper processing as it doesn't have any grooves and the
paper might slip and I'd rather use a bigger size than 5X7, maybe
18X24 cm. A packet of 100 costs 50 euros in macodirect plus tetenal
chemicals for 18 papers, 15 euros, so the cost is not prohibitevely
high. No, I'd rather not develop RA4 in dishes as my darkroom is
quite cramped up and I'd have difficutly with it, anyway I found
even in ebay used paper tanks for every wallet. They're very
convenient. I'm sure that such a processor doesn't exist here in
iraklion. I know how to use a colour enlarger, but I haven't done so
in almost 20 years. And I lived to tell the tale :-) Macodirect has
many kinds of paper I think even graded a search is quite easy. My
enlarger must be at least from the '70s because in the infamous
lightmaster there was A Siemens capacitor dated 2/1972!!!But it was
completely free and with a ton of other goods, including papers, but
alas, no easel or multigrade filters or even a red filter (it was
destroyed). I don't even know how its late previous owner printed at
all.
D.T.check this out, www.secondhanddarkroom.co.uk, excellent site,
has even
has a 30 pounds surcharge, and has literally everything! I'm thinking
of getting a Meopta Axomat 5 colour, a Jobo 2850 drum (IIRC) it's all
for ¬200 pounds plus 30 plus the import VAT when they arrive. I can
either get an enlarger lens from them (they start at 15 pounds!!)
with a different order, and maybe a philips colour analyzer for 35
pounds, or from an excellent shop in Athens which has marumi enlarger
lenses for 50 euros. Chemicals and paper from macodirect.de HTH.HAND.
(I don't know if there's something similar in USA;B&H in NY has
obviously everything but with hefty prices!)
Axomat is 35 mm only while the Opemus can also enlarge 120 film, with
the proper lens goes without saying. The Opemus has a much bigger and
heavier condenser lens, which would be a disadvantage my enlarger
being shipped from the UK. The Opemus uses an 150 W opal lamp while
the Axomat only an 75 W. The Axomat has a much more robust friction
drive, while the Meopta has a less good cog drive, which is made of
plastic and in the case of my Opemus wore out and my enlarger was
almost bricked. As for the Jobo 2850 it costs 89 pounds and is out of
my price range.the 4551 costs 39 pounds and looks much more robust
than the 2850 which had a "tooth" system to seal which was much more
difficult to use in total darkenss and I was always afraid to break
something. I used to have it too. The Philips PCA 061 analyzer sells
for 55 pounds (not 35!!) and I can't afford it. as for the marumi lens-
https://www.giannatosfoto.gr/?product=%cf%86%ce%b1%ce%ba%cf%8c%cf%82-%ce%bc%ce%b5%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%b8%cf%85%ce%bd%cf%84%ce%b7%cf%81%ce%b1-50mm-f35-102
seems quite a good choice I pay only 10 euros for shipping from Athens.
Only Fuji manufactures RA 4 paper now 100 18X24 only 40 euros.
https://www.macodirect.de/papier/farbpapier/fuji-crystal-archive-farbfotopapier-glaenzend-17-8x24cm-7x9-5-100-blatt?c=25
there's practically only one 1L kit for RA 4 from Tetenal
https://www.macodirect.de/chemie/farbchemie/ra-4/tetenal-magic-box-ra-4-entwickler-kit-fuer-23-blatt-18-24-cm?c=51
16 euros macodirect does deliver in Greece as the orders are shipped
with trucks something very important with chemistry as they're not
accepted as cargo in planes.
I choose to do the whole developing process preferably on a hot summer
day, with plenty of hot water from the solar boiler. I fill the sink
with hot water at the correct temperature and put all the chemical
bottles in it. I also need a digital thermometer with a 0,1 C
precision a friend has one in a store here. Strange enough macodirect
has none precise enough.
mm colour enlarger, https://www.secondhanddarkroom.co.uk/product/meopta-axomat-5-colour-35mm-enlarger/
Jobo 2850 , Fujimoto 50 mm F 2,8 https://www.secondhanddarkroom.co.uk/product/fujimoto-50mm-f2-8-lens/
now the only thing missing are paper and the chemicals, https://www.macodirect.de/en/paper/color-papers/4315/fuji-crystal-archive-photographic-color-paper-glossy-7x9.5-17.8x24cm-100-sheets?c=25
https://www.macodirect.de/en/chemistry/color-chemistry/ra-4/6313/tetenal-magic-box-ra-4-kit-for-23-sheet-18-24-cm?c=651
they have also this excellent E-6 kit only for one film unfortunately
but I have 2 exposed ones, https://www.macodirect.de/en/chemistry/color-chemistry/e-6/6312/tetenal-magic-box-e6-kit-for-1-color-slide-film?c=650
and here' also a wide choice of B&W graded papers! the works!
(unfortunately only in German I'm afraid) https://www.macodirect.de/papier/schwarzweiss-pe-papier-feste-gradation/
you can search in English there will appear everything they have in B&W papers you can narrow the search only in German. Mostly Czech Foma
papers which are excellent. I bought some 40X50 multicontrast. there's
also 30X40 colour. https://www.macodirect.de/en/paper/color-papers/4317/fuji-crystal-archive-photographic-color-paper-glossy-12x16-30.5x40.6cm-50-sheets?c=625
I also bought an Amprobe immersion thermometer, digital, with an
accuracy of 0,1 C.
Στις 26/8/2021 3:45 μ.μ., ο/η Dimitris Tzortzakakis έγραψε:
Στις 11/8/2021 6:31 μ.μ., ο/η Dimitris Tzortzakakis έγραψε: >>> Στις 10/8/2021 2:23 μ.μ., ο/η Dimitris Tzortzakakis έγραψε: >>>> Στις 20/7/2021 11:47 μ.μ., ο/η Dimitris Tzortzakakis έγραψε: >>>>> Στις 17/7/2021 11:57 μ.μ., ο/η Abandoned_Trolley έγραψε: >>>>>> On 14/07/2021 17:30, Dimitris Tzortzakakis wrote:The Thursday before last came the packet from the UK. Everything in good condition, the lens is as agood as new-only thing the cable for the lamp house of the colour head is a bit charred an easy fix for an
I finally ordered these in one big order from the UK, Meopta Axomat 5update: I chose an Axomat versus the Opemus which I used to have. Thesome processors but no fujimoto, delivers all over Europe, forthanks a lot for replying. yes I live in Greece in the island ofΣτις 3/6/2021 4:12 μ.μ., ο/η Abandoned_Trolley έγραψε: >>>>>>>> On 03/10/2020 04:39, Vikesh Kapoor wrote:
Have you done anything about it? Because I'm also looking for aHello!Have you managed to resolve this problem yet ?
I'm looking to construct a color darkroom at home.
Anyone looking to sell a tabletop color processor ie. Fujimoto >>>>>>>>> CP-31/CP-51, etc.
Thank you!
AT
second-hand colour enlarger, plus lens, plus paper tank. It's not >>>>>>> really that difficult, I have done it in the past both with RA 4 >>>>>>> and Cibachrome, and it's very exciting, and fruitful. No
algorithm, no photoshop and no inkjet printer can reach the
beauty of a colour print printed by hand by an experienced
printer, IMHO. I hope I can find something locally. Unless
someone has to one, to sell me a "turntable" of blue, red and
green filters that go under the lens of a normal B&W enlarger,and >>>>>>> wishes to ship it in Greece, preferably with a paper tank.I can
pay with paypal for shipment and a reasonable fee for the goods. >>>>>>> where normally the red filter goes, and with the additive system >>>>>>> you do three different exposures on the same piece of paper. I
have put adds OTOH here locally for an enlarger.
My apologies, I didn't realise you lived in Greece so did not
appreciate the difficulties which you are having
Anyway, right at the moment I don't need to do anything about it
as I have a Meteor Siegen roller transport processor which handles >>>>>> paper up to 40cm wide. but its not exactly a "table top"
arrangement - the dev and blix tanks are 9 litres each.
So, I dont know if any of this is any use, but here's a few things >>>>>> which might possibly help.
First, before I got the Meteor processor I was using a Cibachrome
processor which I picked up cheap on eBay. You probably know that
Cibachrome is a 24 degree process which I think is 3 minutes per
bath. I fiddled about with the thermostat bit and changed the
drive gears so that it was running at 45 seconds per bath. I don't >>>>>> think anybody is processing Cibachrome any more so its possible
that some of these things are still around. Anyway, it might be
possible to adapt something for your use. Failing that, there's
some other tabletop processors from Durst and other makers which
may be worth considering.
Alternatively, you might be able to develop a technique for
daylight processing by popping the paper in to a film developing
tank. If you leave the film spirals out then you can easily stick
a 5x7 paper in around the edge then pop the lid on and carry on in >>>>>> daylight
Second, I have heard some reports from somebody on photo.net
saying that they have had some success with RA4 processing in open >>>>>> dishes. Obviously this has to be done in total darkness unless you >>>>>> can find one of those (almost useless) colour safelights. If you
are working in the dark then 45 seconds per bath can be a bit
tricky, so I think he ran the dishes at maybe 20 or 24 degrees,
and adjusted the time to about 3 minutes ? Keeping dishes at a
constant 38 degrees is a bit of a non starter anyway, so you need
to spend a bit of time fiddling about to work out some sort of
process.
Basically, there is a number of ways that you might consider RA4
processing WITHOUT using a roller transport processor at all.
Third, unless you have some overpowering reason for not doing so,
I would strongly advise you to forget about the "filter drawer"
techniques and simply get a proper colour enlarger. You then dial
up the filter density required.
If you are doing any B&W processing then multigrade papers seem to >>>>>> assume the use of a colour enlarger anyway - I don't even know
where to get graded papers from these days (no - DONT bother to
tell me)
Also, don't forget that a large chunk of B&W printing is done
using B&W RA4 paper anyway, to save the labs running a separate
"normal" B&W process.
One of my earliest enlargers was a Durst 606 with a filter drawer
but I am sure that it dated back to the sixties. Basically, I
think additive systems and filter drawers went out with the Ark
AT
Crete which is the southmost place in Greece, halfway to Africa. My
city (Iraklion) is quite big so I have some opportunities of
finding used darkroom and photo equipment. My current enlarger
(meopta axomat II) doesn't even have a filter drawer so I had to
buy a set of multigrade filters (Ilford of course) that goes under
the lens, from the excellent macodirect.de site. I don't mind using
a paper tank, that's like a normal film tank in the sense that you
load it in total darkness but you process in daylight. It has some
special grooves and can accept several paper sizes. My old enlarger
(Meopta opemus 6) had two heads, one condenser with a filter drawer
for B&W and a diffusion colour head with regular subtractive
filters. This with all my equipment I foolishly gave away when the
digital came, I never thought I'd go back. Anyway since I'm a
humble electrician I'm looking for a solution that won't cost an
arm and a leg and preferably, something local or at least in
Athens. I did also Cibachrome back in the day, but it's
discontinued, alas. I also did RA 4 and the also discontinued R3
(reversal chromogenic paper like Cibachrome but with different
process). I'd rather not use a film tank for paper processing as it
doesn't have any grooves and the paper might slip and I'd rather
use a bigger size than 5X7, maybe 18X24 cm. A packet of 100 costs
50 euros in macodirect plus tetenal chemicals for 18 papers, 15
euros, so the cost is not prohibitevely high. No, I'd rather not
develop RA4 in dishes as my darkroom is quite cramped up and I'd
have difficutly with it, anyway I found even in ebay used paper
tanks for every wallet. They're very convenient. I'm sure that such
a processor doesn't exist here in iraklion. I know how to use a
colour enlarger, but I haven't done so in almost 20 years. And I
lived to tell the tale :-) Macodirect has many kinds of paper I
think even graded a search is quite easy. My enlarger must be at
least from the '70s because in the infamous lightmaster there was A
Siemens capacitor dated 2/1972!!!But it was completely free and
with a ton of other goods, including papers, but alas, no easel or
multigrade filters or even a red filter (it was destroyed). I don't
even know how its late previous owner printed at all.
D.T.check this out, www.secondhanddarkroom.co.uk, excellent site,
has even
Greece has a 30 pounds surcharge, and has literally everything! I'm
thinking of getting a Meopta Axomat 5 colour, a Jobo 2850 drum
(IIRC) it's all for ¬200 pounds plus 30 plus the import VAT when
they arrive. I can either get an enlarger lens from them (they start
at 15 pounds!!) with a different order, and maybe a philips colour
analyzer for 35 pounds, or from an excellent shop in Athens which
has marumi enlarger lenses for 50 euros. Chemicals and paper from
macodirect.de HTH.HAND. (I don't know if there's something similar
in USA;B&H in NY has obviously everything but with hefty prices!)
Axomat is 35 mm only while the Opemus can also enlarge 120 film, with
the proper lens goes without saying. The Opemus has a much bigger and
heavier condenser lens, which would be a disadvantage my enlarger
being shipped from the UK. The Opemus uses an 150 W opal lamp while
the Axomat only an 75 W. The Axomat has a much more robust friction
drive, while the Meopta has a less good cog drive, which is made of
plastic and in the case of my Opemus wore out and my enlarger was
almost bricked. As for the Jobo 2850 it costs 89 pounds and is out of
my price range.the 4551 costs 39 pounds and looks much more robust
than the 2850 which had a "tooth" system to seal which was much more
difficult to use in total darkenss and I was always afraid to break
something. I used to have it too. The Philips PCA 061 analyzer sells
for 55 pounds (not 35!!) and I can't afford it. as for the marumi lens-
https://www.giannatosfoto.gr/?product=%cf%86%ce%b1%ce%ba%cf%8c%cf%82-%ce%bc%ce%b5%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%b8%cf%85%ce%bd%cf%84%ce%b7%cf%81%ce%b1-50mm-f35-102
seems quite a good choice I pay only 10 euros for shipping from Athens.
Only Fuji manufactures RA 4 paper now 100 18X24 only 40 euros.
https://www.macodirect.de/papier/farbpapier/fuji-crystal-archive-farbfotopapier-glaenzend-17-8x24cm-7x9-5-100-blatt?c=25
there's practically only one 1L kit for RA 4 from Tetenal
https://www.macodirect.de/chemie/farbchemie/ra-4/tetenal-magic-box-ra-4-entwickler-kit-fuer-23-blatt-18-24-cm?c=51
16 euros macodirect does deliver in Greece as the orders are shipped
with trucks something very important with chemistry as they're not
accepted as cargo in planes.
I choose to do the whole developing process preferably on a hot
summer day, with plenty of hot water from the solar boiler. I fill
the sink with hot water at the correct temperature and put all the
chemical bottles in it. I also need a digital thermometer with a 0,1
C precision a friend has one in a store here. Strange enough
macodirect has none precise enough.
35 mm colour enlarger,
https://www.secondhanddarkroom.co.uk/product/meopta-axomat-5-colour-35mm-enlarger/
Jobo 2850 , Fujimoto 50 mm F 2,8
https://www.secondhanddarkroom.co.uk/product/fujimoto-50mm-f2-8-lens/
now the only thing missing are paper and the chemicals,
https://www.macodirect.de/en/paper/color-papers/4315/fuji-crystal-archive-photographic-color-paper-glossy-7x9.5-17.8x24cm-100-sheets?c=25
https://www.macodirect.de/en/chemistry/color-chemistry/ra-4/6313/tetenal-magic-box-ra-4-kit-for-23-sheet-18-24-cm?c=651
they have also this excellent E-6 kit only for one film unfortunately
but I have 2 exposed ones,
https://www.macodirect.de/en/chemistry/color-chemistry/e-6/6312/tetenal-magic-box-e6-kit-for-1-color-slide-film?c=650
and here' also a wide choice of B&W graded papers! the works!
(unfortunately only in German I'm afraid)
https://www.macodirect.de/papier/schwarzweiss-pe-papier-feste-gradation/
you can search in English there will appear everything they have in
B&W papers you can narrow the search only in German. Mostly Czech Foma
papers which are excellent. I bought some 40X50 multicontrast. there's
also 30X40 colour.
https://www.macodirect.de/en/paper/color-papers/4317/fuji-crystal-archive-photographic-color-paper-glossy-12x16-30.5x40.6cm-50-sheets?c=625
I also bought an Amprobe immersion thermometer, digital, with an
accuracy of 0,1 C.
electrician. The only thing missing now is paper and chemicals from macodirect. It's amazing the packet came intact from the other corner of Europe. Everything was packed very carefully in its own packet with
bubble wrap and all of them in an enormous box. https://www.flickr.com/photos/167258532@N02/51448734455/in/dateposted-public/
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