• CO2 bottle from aquarium supplies....

    From Dimitris Tzortzakakis@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 20 18:25:24 2023
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/167258532@N02/52988267557/in/dateposted-public/ as anyone knows, unsealed concentrate bottles (especially colour
    developer and paper B&W developer) rapidly oxidize when broken in. the
    solution was to use some CO2 spray made for photographic purposes like
    tetenal protectan which is, alas, discontinued. https://www.macodirect.de/chemie/schwarzweisschemie/papierentwicklung/zubehoer/tetenal-protectan-schutzgas-spray-400ml
    so I went to a specialist for bottled gas containers in the Industrial
    Area of Iraklion...the smallest one they had was 6 liters, the contnet
    itself was only 20 euros, but the bottle cost 140 euros!!! too bloody expensive, and too much gas....so what else? Google it! I found this
    little bottle only for 5 euros, plus 7 euros for posting it to me!!!

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Dimitris Tzortzakakis on Tue Jun 20 15:29:58 2023
    Dimitris Tzortzakakis <noone@nospam.com> writes:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/167258532@N02/52988267557/in/dateposted-public/ as anyone knows, unsealed concentrate bottles (especially colour
    developer and paper B&W developer) rapidly oxidize when broken in. the solution was to use some CO2 spray made for photographic purposes like tetenal protectan which is, alas, discontinued. https://www.macodirect.de/chemie/schwarzweisschemie/papierentwicklung/zubehoer/tetenal-protectan-schutzgas-spray-400ml
    so I went to a specialist for bottled gas containers in the Industrial
    Area of Iraklion...the smallest one they had was 6 liters, the contnet
    itself was only 20 euros, but the bottle cost 140 euros!!! too bloody expensive, and too much gas....so what else? Google it! I found this
    little bottle only for 5 euros, plus 7 euros for posting it to me!!!

    You may also look into "wine preservation" canisters, which are little
    spray cans filled with nitrogen, CO2, argon, etc. basically meant to
    displace the oxygen out of your opened wine bottle. I see them on Amazon
    right now for about $11 USD.

    john

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  • From Dimitris Tzortzakakis@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 22 15:14:23 2023
    Στις 20/6/2023 6:29 μ.μ., ο/η John έγραψε:
    Dimitris Tzortzakakis <noone@nospam.com> writes:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/167258532@N02/52988267557/in/dateposted-public/
    as anyone knows, unsealed concentrate bottles (especially colour
    developer and paper B&W developer) rapidly oxidize when broken in. the
    solution was to use some CO2 spray made for photographic purposes like
    tetenal protectan which is, alas, discontinued.
    https://www.macodirect.de/chemie/schwarzweisschemie/papierentwicklung/zubehoer/tetenal-protectan-schutzgas-spray-400ml
    so I went to a specialist for bottled gas containers in the Industrial
    Area of Iraklion...the smallest one they had was 6 liters, the contnet
    itself was only 20 euros, but the bottle cost 140 euros!!! too bloody
    expensive, and too much gas....so what else? Google it! I found this
    little bottle only for 5 euros, plus 7 euros for posting it to me!!!

    You may also look into "wine preservation" canisters, which are little
    spray cans filled with nitrogen, CO2, argon, etc. basically meant to
    displace the oxygen out of your opened wine bottle. I see them on Amazon right now for about $11 USD.

    john
    okay thanks but amazon com will not deliver in Greece. such things are considered dangarous to be put into planes; macodirect.de will deliver
    RA4 chemicals only with truck or train and it goes from city to city; nurnemberg, budapest, sofia, thessaloniki, athens, iraklio. after a
    meticulous google search I found this:α CO2 dispenser that uses CO2 BB
    gun ampules which cost 1.2 euros each!!! the dispenser itself costs 18
    euros, say 25 euros with post etc. I have a BB gun but without ampules,
    the one that you "break" the barrel to load the pellet and build the
    pressure necessary to fire it. https://www.anel.gr/el/gia-tis-melisses/prostatevontas-tis-melisses/Diagnostika-Test/sy6040-3
    this is supposed to be used to test for some bee illnesss, if I got it correctly (it's in greek of course). I couldn't find something similar
    in Greece to the wine preservation thing, I don't know even how it would
    be called in Greek!!

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