In article <ipnpqaFap6vU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

anyone serious at photo editing does not use gimp.

Which one suggested for a beginner?

none. don't even waste your time or money. gimp is utter garbage. it's
not even worth free, it's that bad.

photoshop is available for android, along with many, many other apps.

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On 07/09/2021 02.56, nospam wrote:

In article <ipnpqaFap6vU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with what
Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

anyone serious at photo editing does not use gimp.

ROTFL!

MP, do not listen to him.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with what
Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

Amazon have a truckload of books here https://www.amazon.com/s?k=GIMP&i=stripbooks-intl-ship&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

Some prices are crazy!

Which one suggested for a beginner?

Thanks!

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In article <81ri0ixnmt.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with what
Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

anyone serious at photo editing does not use gimp.

ROTFL!

you clearly don't do serious photo editing and never have.

the gimp might be ok for casual use, such as tweaking colour balance or cropping, but even that, it's less than ideal.

those who actually do serious photo editing, use far more capable apps
than the gimp can ever hope to be, based on the gimp's own road map,
including photoshop, lightroom, pixelmator, and many others.

the gimp is comparable to where photoshop was 10+ years ago and still
lacks features photoshop had 20+ years ago.

the gimp is *much* slower than photoshop on the exact same hardware.

raw processing in the gimp is nowhere near as good as what's available
with other apps.

as i said, the gimp is not even worth free. it's that bad.

MP, do not listen to me.

ftfy

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On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 21:35:14 -0400, nospam posted:-

In article <81ri0ixnmt.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except
with what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

anyone serious at photo editing does not use gimp.

ROTFL!

you clearly don't do serious photo editing and never have.

the gimp might be ok for casual use, such as tweaking colour balance
or cropping, but even that, it's less than ideal.

those who actually do serious photo editing, use far more capable
apps than the gimp can ever hope to be, based on the gimp's own road
map, including photoshop, lightroom, pixelmator, and many others.

the gimp is comparable to where photoshop was 10+ years ago and still
lacks features photoshop had 20+ years ago.

the gimp is *much* slower than photoshop on the exact same hardware.

raw processing in the gimp is nowhere near as good as what's available
with other apps.

as i said, the gimp is not even worth free. it's that bad.

MP, do not listen to me.

ftfy

None of those software you recommend however come with a Linux edition.

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In article <ipnulrFba6vU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

photoshop is available for android, along with many, many other apps.

Thanks for the help, but not interested in editing on a pissy phone
screen.

get a tablet, or run android apps on windows.

if you're actually serious about photo editing, either dual-boot into
windows or a virtual machine and use the apps that actual pros use.

And don't run Windows or Apple - Linux.

then your options are extremely limited.

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On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 20:56:17 -0400, nospam posted:-

In article <ipnpqaFap6vU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with
what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

anyone serious at photo editing does not use gimp.

Which one suggested for a beginner?

none. don't even waste your time or money. gimp is utter garbage. it's
not even worth free, it's that bad.

photoshop is available for android, along with many, many other apps.

Thanks for the help, but not interested in editing on a pissy phone
screen.

And don't run Windows or Apple - Linux.

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On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 03:14:48 +0200, Carlos E. R. posted:-

On 07/09/2021 02.56, nospam wrote:

In article <ipnpqaFap6vU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with
what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

anyone serious at photo editing does not use gimp.

ROTFL!

MP, do not listen to him.

LOL

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 21:56:57 -0400, nospam posted:-

In article <ipnuluFba6vU5@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except
with what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

None of those software you recommend however come with a Linux
edition.

that's because serious photo editing is not done on linux, mostly due
to lack of quality photo editing software.

if you're actually serious about photo editing, either dual-boot into
windows or use a virtual machine and use the apps that actual pros
use.

Thanks for replying, but actually completely irrelevant to my question.

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In article <ipo92hFcp4nU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except
with what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

None of those software you recommend however come with a Linux
edition.

that's because serious photo editing is not done on linux, mostly due
to lack of quality photo editing software.

if you're actually serious about photo editing, either dual-boot into windows or use a virtual machine and use the apps that actual pros
use.

Thanks for replying, but actually completely irrelevant to my question.

it's not irrelevant at all.

you claim to want to do serious photo editing yet you do not want to
use serious photo editing tools.

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On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 01:29:53 -0400, nospam posted:-

you claim to want to do serious photo editing yet you do not want to
use serious photo editing tools.

Where did I say "serious"?

I asked for some help with GIMP books, a choice, you have have carried
on from there.

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On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 01:22:54 -0000, Mountain Magpie
<Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

Thanks for the help, but not interested in editing on a pissy phone
screen.

And don't run Windows or Apple - Linux.

Nice troll.

I don't think you even know what "photo editing" means. Let alone
"serious editing".

As to the Gimp books, they're all useless because they are by
definition confined by what Gimp is capable of doing. Which is "not
much" when compared to other, superior, products for other platforms.
Learn to use the man pages.

If you really are serious, research which tool to use before even
looking at operating systems. Then use whatever platform that tool
requires.

The point is to use whatever tool is need to get the job done, and not
to restrict the job to what the tool you have happens to be capable
of.

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In article <6ieejgh17gcoecgouunpd5gnq80vtm569a@4ax.com>,
<none@given.com> wrote:

The point is to use whatever tool is need to get the job done, and not
to restrict the job to what the tool you have happens to be capable
of.

exactly.

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On Tuesday, 7 September 2021 at 08:20:37 UTC+1, Mountain Magpie wrote:

On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 01:29:53 -0400, nospam posted:-

you claim to want to do serious photo editing yet you do not want to
use serious photo editing tools.

Where did I say "serious"?

I asked for some help with GIMP books, a choice, you have have carried
on from there.

Sorry I can't help you with this, but if you want a gimp mask, well just make sure if fits
and you don't have any alergies to the materail used and they don't provide much covid protection,
but if wearing one out and about most people will aviod coming near you, they'll certainly stay at
least 2 metres from you on public transport.

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On 07/09/2021 01:24, Mountain Magpie wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

Amazon have a truckload of books here https://www.amazon.com/s?k=GIMP&i=stripbooks-intl-ship&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

Some prices are crazy!

Which one suggested for a beginner?

Thanks!

I've hardly ever found any "How To" book for any computer application
much good. I have personally about two dozen books on programming
languages, MS office software, databases, etc. One huge irritation is
when they direct you down menu options until you reach one that does not
exist in your version.

IMHO the way to learn is to get stuck in and try it, and when you get
stuck go searching on the net. You will still find leads that go
nowhere, but you will occasionally find real gems.

Quite a lot of the better "freeware" has a decent online manual, often downloadable.

I do have a Gimp book somewhere, but I have not used it for years. I
find Picasa does most of the basic stuff that I need, I only rarely
venture into RAW.

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On 07/09/2021 03.22, Mountain Magpie wrote:

On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 20:56:17 -0400, nospam posted:-

In article <ipnpqaFap6vU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie
<Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with
what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

anyone serious at photo editing does not use gimp.

Which one suggested for a beginner?

none. don't even waste your time or money. gimp is utter garbage. it's
not even worth free, it's that bad.

photoshop is available for android, along with many, many other apps.

Thanks for the help, but not interested in editing on a pissy phone
screen.

And don't run Windows or Apple - Linux.

Good :-)

And for the record, I do know professional photographers that use Linux
and will not touch Windows, in order to keep their job safe and secure.
So, ignore all those fan boys :-)

I would suggest you ask instead on Linux groups, they will be more
friendly and tolerant about you asking about photography instead, LOL.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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On 2021-09-07, Mountain Magpie <Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

Amazon have a truckload of books here https://www.amazon.com/s?k=GIMP&i=stripbooks-intl-ship&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

Some prices are crazy!

Which one suggested for a beginner?

Thanks!

Darktable is free and available for Linux.

Gimp is more of an image editor than a photo editor.

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In article <slrnsjeuk6.btl.u9536612@localhost.localdomain>, Incubus <u9536612@gmail.com> wrote:

Gimp is more of an image editor than a photo editor.

barely.

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On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 05:12:02 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave posted:-

On Tuesday, 7 September 2021 at 08:20:37 UTC+1, Mountain Magpie wrote:

On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 01:29:53 -0400, nospam posted:-

you claim to want to do serious photo editing yet you do not want
to use serious photo editing tools.

Where did I say "serious"?

I asked for some help with GIMP books, a choice, you have have
carried on from there.

Sorry I can't help you with this, but if you want a gimp mask, well
just make sure if fits and you don't have any alergies to the
materail used and they don't provide much covid protection, but if
wearing one out and about most people will aviod coming near you,
they'll certainly stay at least 2 metres from you on public transport.

Idiot!



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In article <ipptdeFn6qfU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

If you really are serious, research which tool to use before even
looking at operating systems. Then use whatever platform that tool requires.

LOL Spend $$ just to get a new machine to run software?

dual-booting or using a virtual machine doesn't require a new computer.

You may be able to afford it, I can't.

how did you afford a camera?

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On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 12:19:41 +0200, none@given.com posted:-

If you really are serious, research which tool to use before even
looking at operating systems. Then use whatever platform that tool
requires.

LOL Spend $$ just to get a new machine to run software?

You may be able to afford it, I can't.

Donations accepted!

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On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 15:40:49 -0400, nospam posted:-

In article <ipptdeFn6qfU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie <Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

If you really are serious, research which tool to use before even
looking at operating systems. Then use whatever platform that
tool requires.

LOL Spend $$ just to get a new machine to run software?

dual-booting or using a virtual machine doesn't require a new
computer.

You may be able to afford it, I can't.

how did you afford a camera?

<yawn>

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On 07/09/2021 02.24, Mountain Magpie wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

Amazon have a truckload of books here https://www.amazon.com/s?k=GIMP&i=stripbooks-intl-ship&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

Some prices are crazy!

Which one suggested for a beginner?

My preferred search term in google is "gimp for dummies", which produces several interesting results, starting with some videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8C0LJPpr64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeABb8cwdUg

Then, the gimp people have tutorials at
<https://www.gimp.org/tutorials/>

On other hand, there are other software specific for photography, like Darktable or Digikam or Shotwell, and others.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 12:25:32 +1200, geoff posted:-

On 7/09/2021 1:22 pm, Mountain Magpie wrote:

On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 20:56:17 -0400, nospam posted:-

In article <ipnpqaFap6vU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie
<Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with
what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

anyone serious at photo editing does not use gimp.

Which one suggested for a beginner?

none. don't even waste your time or money. gimp is utter garbage.
it's not even worth free, it's that bad.

photoshop is available for android, along with many, many other
apps.

Thanks for the help, but not interested in editing on a pissy phone
screen.

And don't run Windows or Apple - Linux.

Why not - religious reasons or something similar ?

You got it! My kiddy diddling priest told me not to use these heathen operating systems, praise 'de Lord.

geoff

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On 7/09/2021 1:22 pm, Mountain Magpie wrote:

On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 20:56:17 -0400, nospam posted:-

In article <ipnpqaFap6vU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie
<Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with
what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

anyone serious at photo editing does not use gimp.

Which one suggested for a beginner?

none. don't even waste your time or money. gimp is utter garbage. it's
not even worth free, it's that bad.

photoshop is available for android, along with many, many other apps.

Thanks for the help, but not interested in editing on a pissy phone
screen.

And don't run Windows or Apple - Linux.

Why not - religious reasons or something similar ?

geoff

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On 8/09/2021 2:45 am, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 07/09/2021 03.22, Mountain Magpie wrote:

On Mon, 06 Sep 2021 20:56:17 -0400, nospam posted:-

In article <ipnpqaFap6vU1@mid.individual.net>, Mountain Magpie
<Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with
what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

anyone serious at photo editing does not use gimp.

Which one suggested for a beginner?

none. don't even waste your time or money. gimp is utter garbage. it's
not even worth free, it's that bad.

photoshop is available for android, along with many, many other apps.

Thanks for the help, but not interested in editing on a pissy phone
screen.

And don't run Windows or Apple - Linux.

Good :-)

And for the record, I do know professional photographers that use Linux
and will not touch Windows, in order to keep their job safe and secure.

Either misinformed or neurotic.

So, ignore all those fan boys :-)

As you like.

I would suggest you ask instead on Linux groups, they will be more
friendly and tolerant about you asking about photography instead, LOL.

Possibly, and may be able to recommend suitable software, or not.

geoff

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On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:24:48 AM UTC+2, Mountain Magpie wrote:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

Amazon have a truckload of books here https://www.amazon.com/s?k=GIMP&i=stripbooks-intl-ship&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

Some prices are crazy!

Which one suggested for a beginner?

Thanks!

On sanet.st you can also find gimp tutorial videos.
Tutorial videos are usually much better than books, once you get used
to them.

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Mountain Magpie:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

Serious photo editing with Android and GIMP on Linux? Are you rehearsing a comedy act? Have you searched the web to get a feel for how many photographers, pro or amateur, are using that hardware/software? If it needs to be mobile, it needs to be
Lightroom and Photoshop on a 12.9" iPad Pro. For your desktop, an iMac. $9.99 per month covers everything: your Mac and all of your iOS and iPadOS devices.An unqualified bargain. Sorry, I don't make the rules; they're based on what is tried and proven.

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In article <e0ac6b8f-8c11-4959-8773-aae9b5817ec6n@googlegroups.com>,
Davoud <zerbatory@gmail.com> wrote:

Mountain Magpie:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

Serious photo editing with Android and GIMP on Linux? Are you rehearsing a comedy act? Have you searched the web to get a feel for how many photographers, pro or amateur, are using that hardware/software? If it needs to be mobile, it needs to be Lightroom and Photoshop on a 12.9" iPad Pro. For your desktop, an iMac. $9.99 per month covers everything: your Mac and all of your iOS and iPadOS devices.An unqualified bargain. Sorry, I don't make the rules; they're based on what is tried and proven.

another option is photoshop elements for $50ish, street prices.

some other apps are less.

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On 08/09/2021 20:58, Davoud wrote:

Mountain Magpie:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with what
Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

Serious photo editing with Android and GIMP on Linux? Are you rehearsing a comedy act? Have you searched the web to get a feel for how many photographers, pro or amateur, are using that hardware/software? If it needs to be mobile, it needs to be

Lightroom and Photoshop on a 12.9" iPad Pro. For your desktop, an iMac. $9.99 per month covers everything: your Mac and all of your iOS and iPadOS devices.An unqualified bargain. Sorry, I don't make the rules; they're based on what is tried and proven.

Good answer! 🙂

<aside>

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/conundrum.2310100/?post=30245479#post-30245479

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In article <shbcbv$imq$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>, David Brooks <DavidB@invalid.E-S> wrote:

https://forums.m

stop hijacking threads.

you've been told this before.

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On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:33:03 PM UTC+2, nospam wrote:

In article <e0ac6b8f-8c11-4959...@googlegroups.com>,
Davoud <zerb...@gmail.com> wrote:

Mountain Magpie:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with what Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

Serious photo editing with Android and GIMP on Linux? Are you rehearsing a comedy act? Have you searched the web to get a feel for how many photographers, pro or amateur, are using that hardware/software? If it needs
to be mobile, it needs to be Lightroom and Photoshop on a 12.9" iPad Pro. For
your desktop, an iMac. $9.99 per month covers everything: your Mac and all of
your iOS and iPadOS devices.An unqualified bargain. Sorry, I don't make the rules; they're based on what is tried and proven.

another option is photoshop elements for $50ish, street prices.

some other apps are less.

A more reasonable option would be to grab an 'evaluation' copy from p2p.
Or just use web-based free version of photoshop.

https://www.photopea.com/

Of course if you're making serious money with photo editing, you might also consider
financially supporting the intellectual property mafia.

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On 08/09/2021 20:58, Davoud wrote:

Mountain Magpie:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with what
Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

Serious photo editing with Android and GIMP on Linux? Are you rehearsing a comedy act? Have you searched the web to get a feel for how many photographers, pro or amateur, are using that hardware/software? If it needs to be mobile, it needs to be

Lightroom and Photoshop on a 12.9" iPad Pro. For your desktop, an iMac. $9.99 per month covers everything: your Mac and all of your iOS and iPadOS devices.An unqualified bargain. Sorry, I don't make the rules; they're based on what is tried and proven.

Or you might look at Serif Affinity:

https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/

This is a single purchase licence, about US $66, rather than a recurring cost.
Windows, iPad and Mac. Not sure about a Linux version but there's always WINE.

You may find that older software such as PaintShop Pro is easier to learn and does all you need.
--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 00:28:57 -0000, Mountain Magpie
<Leura@bluemountains.org> wrote:

Why not - religious reasons or something similar ?

You got it! My kiddy diddling priest told me not to use these heathen >operating systems, praise 'de Lord.

Many a true word said in jest.

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On Thursday, 9 September 2021 at 05:36:59 UTC+1, David Taylor wrote:

On 08/09/2021 20:58, Davoud wrote:

Mountain Magpie:

Beginner at semi serious photo editing - no experience except with what >> Google provide in Android. Running Ubuntu.

Serious photo editing with Android and GIMP on Linux? Are you rehearsing a comedy act? Have you searched the web to get a feel for how many photographers, pro or amateur, are using that hardware/software? If it needs to be mobile, it needs to be

Lightroom and Photoshop on a 12.9" iPad Pro. For your desktop, an iMac. $9.99 per month covers everything: your Mac and all of your iOS and iPadOS devices.An unqualified bargain. Sorry, I don't make the rules; they're based on what is tried and proven.

Or you might look at Serif Affinity:

https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/

This is a single purchase licence, about US $66, rather than a recurring cost.
Windows, iPad and Mac. Not sure about a Linux version but there's always WINE.

You may find that older software such as PaintShop Pro is easier to learn and
does all you need.
--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

I'm pretty happy with affinity photo on an iMac and it's just a one of purchase, affinity sometimes have specail offers
so if money is really tight wait a while maybe they'll have xmas offers.

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On 10/09/2021 13:06, Whisky-dave wrote:

I'm pretty happy with affinity photo on an iMac and it's just a one of purchase, affinity sometimes have specail offers
so if money is really tight wait a while maybe they'll have xmas offers.

As a developer I would be delighted with a regular income from every user.

As a customer a single payment is fine.
Especially when it's a half-price offer!

--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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On 13/09/2021 13:29, Whisky-dave wrote:

Depends on how often you use a product or service, I think there's a place for both systems, and there;s even a 3rd option
for some that use Apple computers. You pay for the system software and some standard apps, when you buy the computer
and you get free updates and upgrades until your computer can no longer support those apps.
Which in my case I bought my iMac in 2014 and still geting system and app updates/upgrades for free, including big sur.
So I'm happy haven't had a system crash or a need to reinstall for 7 years. Wish my labs PCs ran as well down to hardware and software problems and IT problems so about 30% not working.
One this morning has the prompt.
grup rescue>

Guess it means it's lunchtime;-)

Sounds fair to me.
Sounds like a corrupted grub!
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David
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On Friday, 10 September 2021 at 13:53:49 UTC+1, David Taylor wrote:

On 10/09/2021 13:06, Whisky-dave wrote:

I'm pretty happy with affinity photo on an iMac and it's just a one of purchase, affinity sometimes have specail offers
so if money is really tight wait a while maybe they'll have xmas offers.

As a developer I would be delighted with a regular income from every user.

As a customer a single payment is fine.
Especially when it's a half-price offer!

Depends on how often you use a product or service, I think there's a place for both systems, and there;s even a 3rd option
for some that use Apple computers. You pay for the system software and some standard apps, when you buy the computer
and you get free updates and upgrades until your computer can no longer support those apps.
Which in my case I bought my iMac in 2014 and still geting system and app updates/upgrades for free, including big sur.
So I'm happy haven't had a system crash or a need to reinstall for 7 years. Wish my labs PCs ran as well down to hardware and software problems and IT problems so about 30% not working.
One this morning has the prompt.
grup rescue>

Guess it means it's lunchtime ;-)

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Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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