• World is awash in new lens offerings, but where is the market?

    From RichA@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 17 17:29:05 2021
    Every week, 2-3 new lenses are produced. Many from companies new to the market. But, since the DSLR market/mirrorless is 1/10th of what it once was,
    where are they going to sell them?

    Unlike film, whose sales are on the uptick and have seen a number of new companies with new film offerings, camera sales have stabilized at historically-low levels.

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  • From m-m@21:1/5 to RichA on Fri Dec 17 21:15:08 2021
    In article <6dc87afc-44a3-44d5-bd3b-17aa2265f39cn@googlegroups.com>, RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:

    Every week, 2-3 new lenses are produced. Many from companies new to the market. But, since the DSLR market/mirrorless is 1/10th of what it once was,
    where are they going to sell them?

    Unlike film, whose sales are on the uptick and have seen a number of new companies with new film offerings, camera sales have stabilized at historically-low levels.

    Everyone thinks that since they have an iphone, they don't need a camera.

    --
    m-m
    www.mhmyers.com

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  • From David Taylor@21:1/5 to m-m on Sat Dec 18 06:41:58 2021
    On 18/12/2021 02:15, m-m wrote:
    In article <6dc87afc-44a3-44d5-bd3b-17aa2265f39cn@googlegroups.com>, RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:

    Every week, 2-3 new lenses are produced. Many from companies new to the market. But, since the DSLR market/mirrorless is 1/10th of what it once was,
    where are they going to sell them?

    Unlike film, whose sales are on the uptick and have seen a number of new companies with new film offerings, camera sales have stabilized at historically-low levels.

    Everyone thinks that since they have an iphone, they don't need a camera.

    Or even better, if they have a Pixel phone.

    I bought a few lenses when I went to a Panasonic micro-four-thirds camera.
    Most recently that was an Olympus macro lens which I have been please with, but that was over five years ago. Likely I have less need for better quality than the Pixel phone (with its telephoto lens) as display on a TV screen or occasionally A4 size print is all I now use.

    --
    Cheers,
    David
    Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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  • From newshound@21:1/5 to David Taylor on Sat Dec 18 10:13:36 2021
    On 18/12/2021 06:41, David Taylor wrote:
    On 18/12/2021 02:15, m-m wrote:
    In article <6dc87afc-44a3-44d5-bd3b-17aa2265f39cn@googlegroups.com>,
    RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:

    Every week, 2-3 new lenses are produced.  Many from companies new to
    the market.  But, since the DSLR market/mirrorless is 1/10th of what
    it once was,
    where are  they going to sell them?

    Unlike film, whose sales are on the uptick and have seen a number of
    new companies with new film offerings, camera sales have stabilized
    at historically-low levels.

    Everyone thinks that since they have an iphone, they don't need a camera.

    Or even better, if they have a Pixel phone.

    I bought a few lenses when I went to a Panasonic micro-four-thirds
    camera. Most recently that was an Olympus macro lens which I have been
    please with, but that was over five years ago.  Likely I have less need
    for better quality than the Pixel phone (with its telephoto lens) as
    display on a TV screen or occasionally A4 size print is all I now use.

    I always find slightly amusing those "lens review" articles full of
    image "examples" of better performance of new lenses, where you'd never
    see the difference on a phone, tablet, or laptop. (Latest was a Fuji).

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  • From Alfred Molon@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 18 18:34:07 2021
    Am 18.12.2021 um 02:29 schrieb RichA:
    Every week, 2-3 new lenses are produced. Many from companies new to the market. But, since the DSLR market/mirrorless is 1/10th of what it once was,
    where are they going to sell them?

    Unlike film, whose sales are on the uptick and have seen a number of new companies with new film offerings, camera sales have stabilized at historically-low levels.

    Well, I bought an 8-25mm lens from Olympus in July, because the focal
    length range is very special. The new 20mm/F1.4 is very interesting too.

    In any case, what I hear is that Olympus can't make enough of certain
    lenses to meet the market demand.
    --
    Alfred Molon

    Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
    https://groups.io/g/myolympus
    https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Alfred Molon on Sat Dec 18 15:43:28 2021
    On Saturday, 18 December 2021 at 12:34:14 UTC-5, Alfred Molon wrote:
    Am 18.12.2021 um 02:29 schrieb RichA:
    Every week, 2-3 new lenses are produced. Many from companies new to the market. But, since the DSLR market/mirrorless is 1/10th of what it once was,
    where are they going to sell them?

    Unlike film, whose sales are on the uptick and have seen a number of new companies with new film offerings, camera sales have stabilized at historically-low levels.
    Well, I bought an 8-25mm lens from Olympus in July, because the focal
    length range is very special. The new 20mm/F1.4 is very interesting too.

    In any case, what I hear is that Olympus can't make enough of certain
    lenses to meet the market demand.
    --
    Alfred Molon

    Could be the global shortages at work as much as demand.

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  • From Magani@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 18 16:05:04 2021
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    Everyone thinks that since they have an iphone, they don't need a camera.

    --
    m-m
    www.mhmyers.com

    Well, I've certainly taken one fewer camera when we go (=went) on holidays. I now have a Galaxy S21 and no longer take a point-and-shoot. Samsung for 'happy snaps', Canon D6 and RP for 'serious' stuff.

    With the new phone, it's getting more like I own a (reasonable) camera with 3 lenses and that can make phone calls and show me where to go.

    Cheers,
    Magani

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to newshound on Sat Dec 18 15:44:28 2021
    On Saturday, 18 December 2021 at 05:13:41 UTC-5, newshound wrote:
    On 18/12/2021 06:41, David Taylor wrote:
    On 18/12/2021 02:15, m-m wrote:
    In article <6dc87afc-44a3-44d5...@googlegroups.com>,
    RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Every week, 2-3 new lenses are produced. Many from companies new to
    the market. But, since the DSLR market/mirrorless is 1/10th of what
    it once was,
    where are they going to sell them?

    Unlike film, whose sales are on the uptick and have seen a number of
    new companies with new film offerings, camera sales have stabilized
    at historically-low levels.

    Everyone thinks that since they have an iphone, they don't need a camera.

    Or even better, if they have a Pixel phone.

    I bought a few lenses when I went to a Panasonic micro-four-thirds
    camera. Most recently that was an Olympus macro lens which I have been please with, but that was over five years ago. Likely I have less need
    for better quality than the Pixel phone (with its telephoto lens) as display on a TV screen or occasionally A4 size print is all I now use.

    I always find slightly amusing those "lens review" articles full of
    image "examples" of better performance of new lenses, where you'd never
    see the difference on a phone, tablet, or laptop. (Latest was a Fuji).

    Much like people who think they need 8K when you can sit 3ft from a 55 inch 4K screen and see detail to the extinction of your eyesight.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Magani on Mon Dec 20 16:07:34 2021
    On Saturday, 18 December 2021 at 19:05:07 UTC-5, Magani wrote:
    <snip>
    Everyone thinks that since they have an iphone, they don't need a camera.

    --
    m-m
    www.mhmyers.com
    Well, I've certainly taken one fewer camera when we go (=went) on holidays. I now have a Galaxy S21 and no longer take a point-and-shoot. Samsung for 'happy snaps', Canon D6 and RP for 'serious' stuff.

    With the new phone, it's getting more like I own a (reasonable) camera with 3 lenses and that can make phone calls and show me where to go.

    Cheers,
    Magani

    Zoom lenses or multiple lenses in phones puts further pressure on traditional cameras.

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  • From David Taylor@21:1/5 to RichA on Tue Dec 21 06:16:32 2021
    On 21/12/2021 00:07, RichA wrote:
    Zoom lenses or multiple lenses in phones puts further pressure on traditional cameras.

    I find it confusing when phones are advertised with "a 4x zoom lens" (Pixel 6 Pro), when it's not a "zoom" at all, but a further fixed focus lens!

    Oh, well!
    --
    Cheers,
    David
    Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.inval on Tue Dec 21 08:00:45 2021
    In article <sprrg0$126$1@dont-email.me>, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

    I find it confusing when phones are advertised with "a 4x zoom lens" (Pixel 6 Pro), when it's not a "zoom" at all, but a further fixed focus lens!

    what's confusing about it? it functions exactly like an optical zoom
    lens. the zooming itself is done in software rather than moving optical elements and is much better than 'digital zoom', aka upscaling. it's
    almost as good as an actual zoom lens.

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