• Screen Light Bar and image viewing

    From Eric Stevens@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 8 13:02:05 2021
    My computer work station employs two 25" Dell UP2516D monitors which
    are color managed. I have long been concerned at the conflict at
    getting asufficiently dark working environment for the display and
    having enough light to see what I am doing on my desk. I recently
    bough two cheap light bars to hang on the monitors to enable me to
    find out exactly what effect they have. The link below is shot of the
    two monitors and the work space in their immediate vicinity.

    https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ao0elnDt9zAUjzoQNHCOSyMsLXK7?e=1DoQ8s

    The screens are at about 38% brightness. The light bars are adjustable
    for both hue and brightness. I have them set to white at about half
    intensity. The work area around them is more than adequately lit. The
    light bars do cast some light on the screens but the light is so
    nearly parallel to the surface of the screens that it is reflected on
    downwards and has no effect on the viewed image. The two images are a
    random selection from a folder as chosen by the computer. The camera
    was a Nikon D750 with exposure set to not quite over expose. There is
    no editing other than slight sharpening.

    Compared with what is apparent in ordinary shaded daylight the images
    look glorious and I can still see what I am doing on the desk
    extremely well. I can highly recommend them. Anyone who is interested
    should Google 'Light bar'.

    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to Eric Stevens on Thu Oct 7 21:08:17 2021
    On Oct 7, 2021, Eric Stevens wrote
    (in article<6l0vlgd82iactcmq26ajj8b1aiacmh6rbn@4ax.com>):

    My computer work station employs two 25" Dell UP2516D monitors which
    are color managed. I have long been concerned at the conflict at
    getting asufficiently dark working environment for the display and
    having enough light to see what I am doing on my desk. I recently
    bough two cheap light bars to hang on the monitors to enable me to
    find out exactly what effect they have. The link below is shot of the
    two monitors and the work space in their immediate vicinity.

    https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ao0elnDt9zAUjzoQNHCOSyMsLXK7?e=1DoQ8s

    The screens are at about 38% brightness. The light bars are adjustable
    for both hue and brightness. I have them set to white at about half intensity. The work area around them is more than adequately lit. The
    light bars do cast some light on the screens but the light is so
    nearly parallel to the surface of the screens that it is reflected on downwards and has no effect on the viewed image. The two images are a
    random selection from a folder as chosen by the computer. The camera
    was a Nikon D750 with exposure set to not quite over expose. There is
    no editing other than slight sharpening.

    Compared with what is apparent in ordinary shaded daylight the images
    look glorious and I can still see what I am doing on the desk
    extremely well. I can highly recommend them. Anyone who is interested
    should Google 'Light bar’.

    No link to the ones you bought?

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  • From Eric Stevens@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 8 15:57:38 2021
    On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 21:08:17 -0500, Bill W <nothing@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Oct 7, 2021, Eric Stevens wrote
    (in article<6l0vlgd82iactcmq26ajj8b1aiacmh6rbn@4ax.com>):

    My computer work station employs two 25" Dell UP2516D monitors which
    are color managed. I have long been concerned at the conflict at
    getting asufficiently dark working environment for the display and
    having enough light to see what I am doing on my desk. I recently
    bough two cheap light bars to hang on the monitors to enable me to
    find out exactly what effect they have. The link below is shot of the
    two monitors and the work space in their immediate vicinity.

    https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ao0elnDt9zAUjzoQNHCOSyMsLXK7?e=1DoQ8s

    The screens are at about 38% brightness. The light bars are adjustable
    for both hue and brightness. I have them set to white at about half
    intensity. The work area around them is more than adequately lit. The
    light bars do cast some light on the screens but the light is so
    nearly parallel to the surface of the screens that it is reflected on
    downwards and has no effect on the viewed image. The two images are a
    random selection from a folder as chosen by the computer. The camera
    was a Nikon D750 with exposure set to not quite over expose. There is
    no editing other than slight sharpening.

    Compared with what is apparent in ordinary shaded daylight the images
    look glorious and I can still see what I am doing on the desk
    extremely well. I can highly recommend them. Anyone who is interested
    should Google 'Light bar’.

    No link to the ones you bought?

    I bought it through a local importer from China. The link would not be
    much use to you. I suggest that you do a Google image search for
    'Light Bar'. You should find many different types. Most of them are
    designed for use on lap tops and can pose problems when trying to
    attach them to desk top monitor. I would be surprised if you couldnt
    find something suitable.
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    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Eric Stevens on Fri Oct 8 05:18:59 2021
    On Friday, 8 October 2021 at 01:01:38 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
    My computer work station employs two 25" Dell UP2516D monitors which
    are color managed. I have long been concerned at the conflict at
    getting asufficiently dark working environment for the display and
    having enough light to see what I am doing on my desk. I recently
    bough two cheap light bars to hang on the monitors to enable me to
    find out exactly what effect they have. The link below is shot of the
    two monitors and the work space in their immediate vicinity.

    https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ao0elnDt9zAUjzoQNHCOSyMsLXK7?e=1DoQ8s

    The screens are at about 38% brightness. The light bars are adjustable
    for both hue and brightness. I have them set to white at about half intensity. The work area around them is more than adequately lit. The
    light bars do cast some light on the screens but the light is so
    nearly parallel to the surface of the screens that it is reflected on downwards and has no effect on the viewed image. The two images are a
    random selection from a folder as chosen by the computer. The camera
    was a Nikon D750 with exposure set to not quite over expose. There is
    no editing other than slight sharpening.

    Compared with what is apparent in ordinary shaded daylight the images
    look glorious and I can still see what I am doing on the desk
    extremely well. I can highly recommend them. Anyone who is interested
    should Google 'Light bar'.

    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

    So the light bars are to see the keyboard, and desk nice idea a bit like the lights you can stick to kitchen cupboards
    so you can see the work surface.

    But personally I'd have put them under the monitors, so less likely to distract from the images on screen.

    One think I like about Apple laptops are the illuminated keyboard.
    I wonder if Apple will ever make the avaible for desktop computers too.

    I guess you could use an old fashioned angle poised lamp and direct it on a cup of coffee
    or whatever

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  • From Eric Stevens@21:1/5 to whisky.dave@gmail.com on Sat Oct 9 12:31:38 2021
    On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 05:18:59 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
    <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 October 2021 at 01:01:38 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
    My computer work station employs two 25" Dell UP2516D monitors which
    are color managed. I have long been concerned at the conflict at
    getting asufficiently dark working environment for the display and
    having enough light to see what I am doing on my desk. I recently
    bough two cheap light bars to hang on the monitors to enable me to
    find out exactly what effect they have. The link below is shot of the
    two monitors and the work space in their immediate vicinity.

    https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ao0elnDt9zAUjzoQNHCOSyMsLXK7?e=1DoQ8s

    The screens are at about 38% brightness. The light bars are adjustable
    for both hue and brightness. I have them set to white at about half
    intensity. The work area around them is more than adequately lit. The
    light bars do cast some light on the screens but the light is so
    nearly parallel to the surface of the screens that it is reflected on
    downwards and has no effect on the viewed image. The two images are a
    random selection from a folder as chosen by the computer. The camera
    was a Nikon D750 with exposure set to not quite over expose. There is
    no editing other than slight sharpening.

    Compared with what is apparent in ordinary shaded daylight the images
    look glorious and I can still see what I am doing on the desk
    extremely well. I can highly recommend them. Anyone who is interested
    should Google 'Light bar'.

    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

    So the light bars are to see the keyboard, and desk nice idea a bit like the lights you can stick to kitchen cupboards
    so you can see the work surface.

    But personally I'd have put them under the monitors, so less likely to distract from the images on screen.

    Not necessary. The direct view of the light source is shielded from
    the eye of the viewer.

    One think I like about Apple laptops are the illuminated keyboard.
    I wonder if Apple will ever make the avaible for desktop computers too.

    I guess you could use an old fashioned angle poised lamp and direct it on a cup of coffee
    or whatever
    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Eric Stevens on Mon Oct 11 05:49:37 2021
    On Saturday, 9 October 2021 at 00:31:08 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 05:18:59 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 October 2021 at 01:01:38 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
    My computer work station employs two 25" Dell UP2516D monitors which
    are color managed. I have long been concerned at the conflict at
    getting asufficiently dark working environment for the display and
    having enough light to see what I am doing on my desk. I recently
    bough two cheap light bars to hang on the monitors to enable me to
    find out exactly what effect they have. The link below is shot of the
    two monitors and the work space in their immediate vicinity.

    https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ao0elnDt9zAUjzoQNHCOSyMsLXK7?e=1DoQ8s

    The screens are at about 38% brightness. The light bars are adjustable
    for both hue and brightness. I have them set to white at about half
    intensity. The work area around them is more than adequately lit. The
    light bars do cast some light on the screens but the light is so
    nearly parallel to the surface of the screens that it is reflected on
    downwards and has no effect on the viewed image. The two images are a
    random selection from a folder as chosen by the computer. The camera
    was a Nikon D750 with exposure set to not quite over expose. There is
    no editing other than slight sharpening.

    Compared with what is apparent in ordinary shaded daylight the images
    look glorious and I can still see what I am doing on the desk
    extremely well. I can highly recommend them. Anyone who is interested
    should Google 'Light bar'.

    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

    So the light bars are to see the keyboard, and desk nice idea a bit like the lights you can stick to kitchen cupboards
    so you can see the work surface.

    But personally I'd have put them under the monitors, so less likely to distract from the images on screen.
    Not necessary. The direct view of the light source is shielded from
    the eye of the viewer.

    I can see them in the photo so not that shielded and the viewpoint if sitting at the desk would be even lower
    so I would have thought better to have them below the screens and further to the back.

    Well that's what I'd do if I felt such lighting was necessary


    One think I like about Apple laptops are the illuminated keyboard.
    I wonder if Apple will ever make the avaible for desktop computers too.

    I guess you could use an old fashioned angle poised lamp and direct it on a cup of coffee
    or whatever
    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

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  • From Eric Stevens@21:1/5 to whisky.dave@gmail.com on Tue Oct 12 16:49:10 2021
    rOn Mon, 11 Oct 2021 05:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
    <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 9 October 2021 at 00:31:08 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 05:18:59 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 October 2021 at 01:01:38 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
    My computer work station employs two 25" Dell UP2516D monitors which
    are color managed. I have long been concerned at the conflict at
    getting asufficiently dark working environment for the display and
    having enough light to see what I am doing on my desk. I recently
    bough two cheap light bars to hang on the monitors to enable me to
    find out exactly what effect they have. The link below is shot of the
    two monitors and the work space in their immediate vicinity.

    https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ao0elnDt9zAUjzoQNHCOSyMsLXK7?e=1DoQ8s

    The screens are at about 38% brightness. The light bars are adjustable
    for both hue and brightness. I have them set to white at about half
    intensity. The work area around them is more than adequately lit. The
    light bars do cast some light on the screens but the light is so
    nearly parallel to the surface of the screens that it is reflected on
    downwards and has no effect on the viewed image. The two images are a
    random selection from a folder as chosen by the computer. The camera
    was a Nikon D750 with exposure set to not quite over expose. There is
    no editing other than slight sharpening.

    Compared with what is apparent in ordinary shaded daylight the images
    look glorious and I can still see what I am doing on the desk
    extremely well. I can highly recommend them. Anyone who is interested
    should Google 'Light bar'.

    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

    So the light bars are to see the keyboard, and desk nice idea a bit like the lights you can stick to kitchen cupboards
    so you can see the work surface.

    But personally I'd have put them under the monitors, so less likely to distract from the images on screen.
    Not necessary. The direct view of the light source is shielded from
    the eye of the viewer.

    I can see them in the photo so not that shielded and the viewpoint if sitting at the desk would be even lower
    so I would have thought better to have them below the screens and further to the back.

    That may or not be better but that's not the way they make them. I'm
    happy with them the way they are. This way, they are directing the
    light down. If they were lower they would be directing the light back
    to me, which I don't think I would like.

    What I didn't mention previously is that the lights run off a USB
    port. I use one of the ports on each screen.

    Well that's what I'd do if I felt such lighting was necessary


    One think I like about Apple laptops are the illuminated keyboard.
    I wonder if Apple will ever make the avaible for desktop computers too.

    I guess you could use an old fashioned angle poised lamp and direct it on a cup of coffee
    or whatever
    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Eric Stevens on Tue Oct 12 05:46:15 2021
    On Tuesday, 12 October 2021 at 04:48:35 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
    rOn Mon, 11 Oct 2021 05:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, 9 October 2021 at 00:31:08 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
    On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 05:18:59 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, 8 October 2021 at 01:01:38 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
    My computer work station employs two 25" Dell UP2516D monitors which
    are color managed. I have long been concerned at the conflict at
    getting asufficiently dark working environment for the display and
    having enough light to see what I am doing on my desk. I recently
    bough two cheap light bars to hang on the monitors to enable me to
    find out exactly what effect they have. The link below is shot of the >> >> two monitors and the work space in their immediate vicinity.

    https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ao0elnDt9zAUjzoQNHCOSyMsLXK7?e=1DoQ8s

    The screens are at about 38% brightness. The light bars are adjustable >> >> for both hue and brightness. I have them set to white at about half
    intensity. The work area around them is more than adequately lit. The >> >> light bars do cast some light on the screens but the light is so
    nearly parallel to the surface of the screens that it is reflected on >> >> downwards and has no effect on the viewed image. The two images are a >> >> random selection from a folder as chosen by the computer. The camera
    was a Nikon D750 with exposure set to not quite over expose. There is >> >> no editing other than slight sharpening.

    Compared with what is apparent in ordinary shaded daylight the images >> >> look glorious and I can still see what I am doing on the desk
    extremely well. I can highly recommend them. Anyone who is interested >> >> should Google 'Light bar'.

    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

    So the light bars are to see the keyboard, and desk nice idea a bit like the lights you can stick to kitchen cupboards
    so you can see the work surface.

    But personally I'd have put them under the monitors, so less likely to distract from the images on screen.
    Not necessary. The direct view of the light source is shielded from
    the eye of the viewer.

    I can see them in the photo so not that shielded and the viewpoint if sitting at the desk would be even lower
    so I would have thought better to have them below the screens and further to the back.
    That may or not be better but that's not the way they make them. I'm
    happy with them the way they are. This way, they are directing the
    light down. If they were lower they would be directing the light back
    to me, which I don't think I would like.

    Ok, maybe the ones I've used are differnt and for a differnt use.
    I guess I'd choose something different with a fun aspect as an aditional idea. I have a 3 metre set at home, but never thought about using them the way you have.

    https://youtu.be/jnc8GyF0kh0


    Regards,

    Eric Stevens
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    Eric Stevens

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  • From Eric Stevens@21:1/5 to whisky.dave@gmail.com on Fri Oct 15 12:58:01 2021
    On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 05:46:15 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
    <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    Ok, maybe the ones I've used are differnt and for a differnt use.
    I guess I'd choose something different with a fun aspect as an aditional idea. >I have a 3 metre set at home, but never thought about using them the way you have.

    https://youtu.be/jnc8GyF0kh0

    It wouldnt suit us. Our cats are ginger.
    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

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  • From Eric Stevens@21:1/5 to whisky.dave@gmail.com on Sun Oct 17 16:20:59 2021
    On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 05:46:15 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
    <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    ---< snip > ---
    So the light bars are to see the keyboard, and desk nice idea a bit like the lights you can stick to kitchen cupboards
    so you can see the work surface.

    But personally I'd have put them under the monitors, so less likely to distract from the images on screen.
    Not necessary. The direct view of the light source is shielded from
    the eye of the viewer.

    I can see them in the photo so not that shielded and the viewpoint if sitting at the desk would be even lower
    so I would have thought better to have them below the screens and further to the back.
    That may or not be better but that's not the way they make them. I'm
    happy with them the way they are. This way, they are directing the
    light down. If they were lower they would be directing the light back
    to me, which I don't think I would like.

    Ok, maybe the ones I've used are differnt and for a differnt use.
    I guess I'd choose something different with a fun aspect as an aditional idea. >I have a 3 metre set at home, but never thought about using them the way you have.

    https://youtu.be/jnc8GyF0kh0


    Seeing your LED strip made me realise I hadn't pointed out another
    feature of mine. The light strip contains two rows of LEDs: one white
    and the other with a yellow tinge. They can be conrolled in brightness
    and also switched between all white, mix of white and yellow, and all
    yellow. Yellow is a bit of a misnomer. It's more like the light from
    the old fashioned incandescent light. I normally run them on white at
    half power.
    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

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  • From Whisky-dave@21:1/5 to Eric Stevens on Mon Oct 18 05:24:57 2021
    On Sunday, 17 October 2021 at 04:21:00 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 05:46:15 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    ---< snip > ---
    So the light bars are to see the keyboard, and desk nice idea a bit like the lights you can stick to kitchen cupboards
    so you can see the work surface.

    But personally I'd have put them under the monitors, so less likely to distract from the images on screen.
    Not necessary. The direct view of the light source is shielded from
    the eye of the viewer.

    I can see them in the photo so not that shielded and the viewpoint if sitting at the desk would be even lower
    so I would have thought better to have them below the screens and further to the back.
    That may or not be better but that's not the way they make them. I'm
    happy with them the way they are. This way, they are directing the
    light down. If they were lower they would be directing the light back
    to me, which I don't think I would like.

    Ok, maybe the ones I've used are differnt and for a differnt use.
    I guess I'd choose something different with a fun aspect as an aditional idea.
    I have a 3 metre set at home, but never thought about using them the way you have.

    https://youtu.be/jnc8GyF0kh0
    Seeing your LED strip made me realise I hadn't pointed out another
    feature of mine. The light strip contains two rows of LEDs: one white
    and the other with a yellow tinge. They can be conrolled in brightness
    and also switched between all white, mix of white and yellow, and all
    yellow. Yellow is a bit of a misnomer. It's more like the light from
    the old fashioned incandescent light. I normally run them on white at
    half power.
    --

    interesting mine strip is quite old modern ones have a RGB LED and a white one. But as you can see any light of any colour has an effect as it's reflected off anything even
    a calibrated screen, or an uncalibrated and hungry cat whether it's white, ginger any colour,
    other than possibley black. :-)


    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

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  • From Eric Stevens@21:1/5 to whisky.dave@gmail.com on Wed Oct 20 16:46:21 2021
    On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 05:24:57 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
    <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, 17 October 2021 at 04:21:00 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 05:46:15 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
    <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

    ---< snip > ---
    So the light bars are to see the keyboard, and desk nice idea a bit like the lights you can stick to kitchen cupboards
    so you can see the work surface.

    But personally I'd have put them under the monitors, so less likely to distract from the images on screen.
    Not necessary. The direct view of the light source is shielded from
    the eye of the viewer.

    I can see them in the photo so not that shielded and the viewpoint if sitting at the desk would be even lower
    so I would have thought better to have them below the screens and further to the back.
    That may or not be better but that's not the way they make them. I'm
    happy with them the way they are. This way, they are directing the
    light down. If they were lower they would be directing the light back
    to me, which I don't think I would like.

    Ok, maybe the ones I've used are differnt and for a differnt use.
    I guess I'd choose something different with a fun aspect as an aditional idea.
    I have a 3 metre set at home, but never thought about using them the way you have.

    https://youtu.be/jnc8GyF0kh0
    Seeing your LED strip made me realise I hadn't pointed out another
    feature of mine. The light strip contains two rows of LEDs: one white
    and the other with a yellow tinge. They can be conrolled in brightness
    and also switched between all white, mix of white and yellow, and all
    yellow. Yellow is a bit of a misnomer. It's more like the light from
    the old fashioned incandescent light. I normally run them on white at
    half power.
    --

    interesting mine strip is quite old modern ones have a RGB LED and a white one.
    But as you can see any light of any colour has an effect as it's reflected off anything even
    a calibrated screen, or an uncalibrated and hungry cat whether it's white, ginger any colour,
    other than possibley black. :-)

    That's one of the advantages of having the strip at the top of the
    screen. The incident angle on the screen is so near zero that none
    enters the screen or the viewers eye. It's reflected to the
    desktop/keyboard at the base of the screen. It has virtually no effect
    on the incident light on the screen.
    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

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