• bleeding 13 year old female dog, Normal?

    From debheuston@yahoo.com@21:1/5 to Nancy on Sun Mar 27 16:44:45 2016
    On Sunday, September 30, 2001 at 10:38:15 PM UTC-4, Nancy wrote:
    I have a 13 year old beagle mix, who is heavy set, and still eats what she wants, but seems happy and great appetite. however, for 3 days she seems to be dribbling blood, wonder if this is still normal, and how long would this last? she isnt spayed. Thanks, Nan

    Wow you people are really jumping on this one.could the dog just be in a heat cycle ? Older unspayed females can still come into season

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to debheuston@yahoo.com on Sun Mar 27 19:18:52 2016
    debheuston@yahoo.com wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health:

    On Sunday, September 30, 2001 at 10:38:15 PM UTC-4, Nancy wrote:
    I have a 13 year old beagle mix, who is heavy set, and still eats
    what she wants, but seems happy and great appetite. however, for 3
    days she seems to be dribbling blood, wonder if this is still
    normal, and how long would this last? she isnt spayed. Thanks, Nan

    Wow you people are really jumping on this one.could the dog just be
    in a heat cycle ? Older unspayed females can still come into season

    Correct, unlike human females, they just slow down on how often they go
    into heat. Older spay females are also horribly prone to breast cancer
    (most starts behind the back legs at the back most set). At age 13
    unspayed, this female is in the 25% chance of it catagory. Spaying now
    will not reduce it. It's too late.

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  • From donna_norgate@yahoo.co.uk@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 28 09:46:11 2017
    What a nasty thing to say to this poor dog owner some peopledont like to put their bitches through such a major op that may I add could kill them doing so.. So give them a break my mums dog an American beagle was 16 when she passed and was never spayed!!
    She came to know harm and she was euthanised because she was having mini strokes and cancer of the spine.. wash your potty mouth out so nasty... yes the owner should take her to the vet but shouldn't have to endure your cruel comments

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  • From noflexkennels@gmail.com@21:1/5 to KauilaPolu on Mon Feb 13 14:58:17 2017
    On Monday, October 1, 2001 at 1:43:56 PM UTC-4, KauilaPolu wrote:
    From: "Nancy"

    Why isn't she spayed? You have already increased her chances of getting ovarian
    cancer by not spaying her. Damn. Take her to the vet, get her checked and IF she is okay to have the spaying done, GET it done.

    Don't you love this dog? If you do, get her spayed if she isn't already paying
    the price for your neglect. If you don't intend to get her help..PLEASE call a
    local rescue or spca because she stands a better chance on death row than in your non care

    who spays there dog "because they love them" ...you dont love your dog if you fix them...smh....how would you like to be "fixed"?

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  • From rusticaurbano@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 21 09:16:40 2017
    What a fucking idiot you are and obviously you know Nothing about animals. A female 13 years old dog would Not be a great candidate for being fixed att his point. My Vet and most Vets do not encourage Unnecessary surgeries especially on a senior pet. I
    like many smart ethical pet owners who chose Not to fix our bitches but instead keep them protected at home and never take in public during heat don't consider ourselves Bad people because everybody else is putting their pets inder the knife. Americans
    are so full of shit akways making blanket statements to maje someone feel bad.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to rusticaurbano@gmail.com on Sun May 21 14:13:38 2017
    rusticaurbano@gmail.com wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health:

    What a fucking idiot you are and obviously you know Nothing about
    animals. A female 13 years old dog would Not be a great candidate for
    being fixed att his point. My Vet and most Vets do not encourage
    Unnecessary surgeries especially on a senior pet. I like many smart
    ethical pet owners who chose Not to fix our bitches but instead keep
    them protected at home and never take in public during heat don't
    consider ourselves Bad people because everybody else is putting their
    pets inder the knife. Americans are so full of shit akways making
    blanket statements to maje someone feel bad.

    A female dog not spayed by age 2 has twice the risk of Mamarian cancer
    and the longer the years it waits, this higher the chance is until it
    hits 1 in 4. Late spays are particilarily prone to bi-lateral anterior
    mamary cancers with rapid metastatic behavior to the lumphatic system.

    Be cheap if you want to. I'll take the fact that our dogs live longer
    with a lower incidence of cancer do to late spay.

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  • From neelamtizianajoy@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 25 13:33:49 2018
    Well said

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  • From lanette.bradshaw28@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 23 01:00:58 2018
    Good for you.. She was pathetic!

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  • From lanette.bradshaw28@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 23 00:57:01 2018
    Amen to that!

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  • From bcookman@loyno.edu@21:1/5 to Nancy on Fri Sep 28 04:36:17 2018
    On Sunday, September 30, 2001 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-5, Nancy wrote:
    I have a 13 year old beagle mix, who is heavy set, and still eats what she wants, but seems happy and great appetite. however, for 3 days she seems to be dribbling blood, wonder if this is still normal, and how long would this last? she isnt spayed. Thanks, Nan

    Sorry Nancy but this site does not seem the site to ask a question on...very hateful and angry people that do not seem to want to help but just to bitch people out. Hope they don't break an ankle when they fall off their soapbox.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to bcookman@loyno.edu on Thu Oct 25 19:09:53 2018
    bcookman@loyno.edu wrote:

    On Sunday, September 30, 2001 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-5, Nancy wrote:
    I have a 13 year old beagle mix, who is heavy set, and still eats
    what she wants, but seems happy and great appetite. however, for 3
    days she seems to be dribbling blood, wonder if this is still
    normal, and how long would this last? she isnt spayed. Thanks, Nan

    Sorry Nancy but this site does not seem the site to ask a question
    on...very hateful and angry people that do not seem to want to help
    but just to bitch people out. Hope they don't break an ankle when
    they fall off their soapbox.

    Hi Brookman, you replied to a post from 2001 so it's a bit late to help
    her?

    It seems the female was in heat?

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  • From tracybulmer75@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 13 00:08:04 2019
    Your a complete moron, don't talk to her like that..

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  • From tracykrebbs235@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 11 15:32:53 2019
    Thank you whom ever that person that stood up for me. I have rescued 3 older dogs. This female is do preciuos. The vet wouldn't spay her because of her age. She might not make it through the surgery. So yes- teach don't preach! That's why we ask
    questions, hoping to get answers. We all love and treat our pets like our kids.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to tracykrebbs235@gmail.com on Sat Feb 16 09:14:40 2019
    tracykrebbs235@gmail.com wrote:

    Thank you whom ever that person that stood up for me. I have rescued
    3 older dogs. This female is do preciuos. The vet wouldn't spay her
    because of her age. She might not make it through the surgery. So
    yes- teach don't preach! That's why we ask questions, hoping to get
    answers. We all love and treat our pets like our kids.

    Welcome Tracy

    Actually at 3 she can be spayed. There's no end to when that can be
    done if the dog is healthy. In Virginia Beach we have many rescues and
    I've adopted 1 elderly female who was spayed at the age of 18 (believed
    to be). Still, you don't mention her age and she may have had other
    health problems.

    What you saw (and will again as female dogs don't have menopause, they
    just slow down a lot on the heat cycles) was a heat cycle likely.

    The big risk in late spay is mammary cancer. Waiting past age 3
    increases the risk a lot and someplace (I'll try to find it, PetMD
    probably) is over age 10 then it becomes 1 in 4 will get mammary
    cancer. Since most breeds don't live much past that, it becomes
    notable for Terriers and Beagles (and any mix of them).

    Checking for that is actually pretty easy. It's much like a self
    breast exam you might do in the shower (Tracy can be a gender neutral
    name).

    If you are a male Tracy then I just talked greek at you! Ok, you use
    the flats of your fingers and in this case you are giving her a tummy
    rub. Same firmness you would use for a nice belly rub but go slow and
    feel aound the breast areas. The most common spot for it to start is
    in the hind teats, near the junction of her back legs. You check for
    changes or any tenderness developing. In a spayed dog (no heat), they
    should be stable with no tenderness. If she starts heat, that probably
    changes but I have no direct experience as I've never had an unspayed
    dog.

    BTW on the group here, what we mostly see are folks using googlegroups
    who don't bother to check the date of the post. Googlegroups at the
    start, shows you oldest messages first. You have to skip to current.
    Thats why 'progressglass123@gmail.com' got a short answer on his
    diatribe on the dog and the soap bar. He was replying to a post from
    1999.

    Carol

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  • From mudpuppy1313@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 1 20:32:04 2019
    Some people here are just mean as hell. We have a 13 y/o Ack Russel mix who was never spayed, and, as you saidvshe got cancer. It is devestating. Ibwant to tell you, she has been well cared for, loved and saved from a puppy mill type setting in a atore.
    We looked at her, knew she wouldn't make it. Her first vet visit, underweight, weaned too soon, diarrhea, 7 medicines we had to give her. She has outlived 2 neutered nales. One Border Collie who was 11 and had epilepsy since age 2, meds 2x a day.
    After him, ac160lb King Shepherd who developed demyeinating disease, use a lift to take him out or get him up, used dog wheelchair, rubber mats t/o home. He was well taken care of and loved. So, the thing is, when growing up we had males, when we got our
    girl the both dogs were neutered, one before getting her and one after. She never was messy, the two dogs didn't bother her but for a little whine occ.. It surely didn't disrupt our home. We have two cats that are fixed, one male, one female, one is a
    neighborhood stray who we rescued. And we have a border mix now, male, neutered. All are up tobdate on shots, all are chipped, all have toys, love, attention and couch time. So, yes I feel aweful about our girl, I cry BUT I honestly never knew or was
    told by a Vet that she is more likely to get cancer. So, go ahead and judge instead of educate people. I have a feeling there are alot of people who love their animals, who are good fur parents but you may have done worse, because now some may never
    again ask for help for their animalon this or any site. And you may be the cause. Think about that. I sure as hell wouldn't ask advice on here.

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  • From mudpuppy1313@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 1 20:35:18 2019
    Could it be that she felt little drips of blood were like a human female period? Not everyone is a couch vet ya know.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to mudpuppy1313@gmail.com on Sun Apr 7 10:19:10 2019
    mudpuppy1313@gmail.com wrote:

    Some people here are just mean as hell. We have a 13 y/o Ack Russel
    mix who was never spayed, and, as you saidvshe got cancer. It is devestating. Ibwant to tell you, she has been well cared for, loved
    and saved from a puppy mill type setting in a atore. We looked at
    her, knew she wouldn't make it. Her first vet visit, underweight,
    weaned too soon, diarrhea, 7 medicines we had to give her. She has
    outlived 2 neutered nales. One Border Collie who was 11 and had
    epilepsy since age 2, meds 2x a day. After him, ac160lb King
    Shepherd who developed demyeinating disease, use a lift to take him
    out or get him up, used dog wheelchair, rubber mats t/o home. He was
    well taken care of and loved. So, the thing is, when growing up we
    had males, when we got our girl the both dogs were neutered, one
    before getting her and one after. She never was messy, the two dogs
    didn't bother her but for a little whine occ.. It surely didn't
    disrupt our home. We have two cats that are fixed, one male, one
    female, one is a neighborhood stray who we rescued. And we have a
    border mix now, male, neutered. All are up tobdate on shots, all are chipped, all have toys, love, attention and couch time. So, yes I
    feel aweful about our girl, I cry BUT I honestly never knew or was
    told by a Vet that she is more likely to get cancer. So, go ahead
    and judge instead of educate people. I have a feeling there are alot
    of people who love their animals, who are good fur parents but you
    may have done worse, because now some may never again ask for help
    for their animalon this or any site. And you may be the cause.
    Think about that. I sure as hell wouldn't ask advice on here.

    Hi Mud Puppy (name you use here).

    I sincerely hope it is not my message to Tracy hat you refer to as
    heartless. There was no such intention. I merely helped understand implications of late spay. Even after late spay, the risk remains but
    is reduced. I know because the 18yo we referenced being spayed that
    late (Aunti Mabel) died of mamary cancer combined with a stroke at age
    20.5.

    Not everyone knows these things and vets are not always as informative
    as we would like.

    Auti Mabel's cancer was operable with an excellent prognosis but then a
    series of strokes happened the night before her scheduled mammectomy.
    It was heart breaking to bring her in that morning to be let go instead
    of saving her life for a bit more with the cancer removed. The fact is,
    she no longer could survive the surgery due to the stroke. Had it been
    only the stroke, we'd have ridden it though and she might have
    recovered (she had from several small ones over the years) but the
    cancer was growing too fast for her to make it wait. Catch-22.

    Our 16yo blind female (blind age 9, spayed age 9, adpted age 11) gets
    her 'special tummy rub check' daily.

    Tracy didn't list age of dog and replied to an old thread (so the
    subject doesnt help other than he/she had a similar issue best I can
    tell). Tracy did say the vet was hestitant due to age of the dog and
    there might be other medical issues not listed in his/her case.

    I added how to do a breast exam on a female dog as Tracy might be male
    and so not really know how.

    Meantime, I feel for your loss. We just lost our Cash (beagle mix) at
    presumed age 13. A rescue who'd barely made it through heart worm
    treatment, we were warned when we adopted him he'd apt to not see 7 (4
    years and only that if we were very careful). Cash was adopted un
    neutered becasue even the SPCA refused to do it 3 times (health
    related). He got turned down by Banfield until we got his weight up to
    a minimal 37lbs and then they agreed the stress of sniffing the ladies
    was higher than the risks so we paid a lot to have the doggie
    cardiologist for it (they refused unless we had one).

    Cash made it obviously but was forever a little underweight at 52lbs
    (he was a mixed breed, beagle looking in head and coloring, bull
    mastiff neck down looking). Cash was only 27lbs when we adopted. You
    could count his vertebra from across the room.

    Monday he was lethargic. Tuesday he didnt eat breakfast. Worrysome
    but not an emergency. Tuesday night he didnt eat dinner and we called
    the vet and got him in on an emergency trip next day. Blood tests show Systemic shutdown similar to drinking anti-freeze. They had us take
    him to the pet hospital by noon for more extensive tests (CAT scans and
    all that). Wednesday night we got the news. They want to rule out a
    few things with a final test, but they have him on pain killers and he
    has cancer. Multiple masses and nothing they can do.

    We let him go Thursday, 4 April.

    I understand your pain and hope I did not say something that upset you.
    If I did, I apologize.

    Carol

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  • From info@h2oplumbinglincs.co.uk@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 15 02:04:34 2020
    You have no right to speak to the dog owner that way. They wouldn’t be on here asking for help if they didn’t care arsehole

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  • From stonesusan00@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Nancy on Fri Mar 20 08:09:29 2020
    On Monday, 1 October 2001 04:38:15 UTC+2, Nancy wrote:
    I have a 13 year old beagle mix, who is heavy set, and still eats what she wants, but seems happy and great appetite. however, for 3 days she seems to be dribbling blood, wonder if this is still normal, and how long would this last? she isnt spayed. Thanks, Nan

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