MV Tanning wrote:
Look you fucking dipshit.
No, *you* look, dipshit. You don't seem stable enough to own a damn chia pet. Get rid of Chewy before you kill him, since you can't seem to control your
temper, or your dog. Beating the shit out of a dog, for whatever reason, should
get you arrested. Buy a plant or something and 'take care' of that.
Atticus
In article <19990204115727.25031.00000421@ng-cd1.aol.com>,
mvtanning@aol.com (MV Tanning) wrote:
I am very very sorry to hear about what happened to your pup. However, in all fairness, it is not Chewy that is at fault. I am afraid that you must take responsibility for what happened.
I have owned and rescued pitbulls for over 15 years, so I know something about them.
Rule #1.
Never EVER trust a pitbull not to fight another dog. At 2 years old, your Chewy is at the point where his dog aggressive tendencies are beginning to
be very strong. The fact that Scout was a young female pup is irrelevant.
So, you should never leave pitbulls alone with one another unsupervised regardless of their age or their previous behavior.
Furthermore, a person should NEVER leave a grown dog of ANY breed alone
with a puppy of ANY breed. Too many risks for overly rough play,
dominance issues, territory, toy, food, water, etc, issues.
You increased the risk by leaving a food bowl that was accessible to both dogs. That only increased the likelihood of a fight.
If the pup was stiff and cold than she had been dead for a while, which
means that the dogs had been left alone TOO LONG.
And then Chewy came up to me like
nothing was wrong, his tail wagging, while I was sobbing about my girl. I went
apeshit. I put her down, I punch him in the face while screaming at him, I kicked him in the ribs hard, I kicked his back end as hard as I could twice, I
kept punching him. I think I was trying to kill him. He just let me hit him
In Chewy's world, he did not do anything wrong. He did what ALL dogs do
when their food is challenged and his natural behavior is exacerbated by
the fact that he is a pitbull and that he had a puppy with him who was no match for his aggression.
I understand that you were upset. I understand how you felt. BUT, in my
own personal opinion, you do not have the temperament to own a dog.
Punching and kicking a dog repeatedly is not acceptable for ANY reason.
Shame on you.
Why would he KILL a puppy. I know if it were another dog, since he is an APBT
that he would kill it, but why a female puppy? Does that signify that heis not
a tempermentally sound dog?
See above. And, no it does not mean that is temperamentally unsound at
all. Though you may be making him so because of YOUR attitude.
Is it really because he is an APBT or does he have
a screw loose. She was only 14 weeks old.. If I left the food bowl (empty food
bowl) out to other APBT owners, or dog owners for that matter, would your dog
have killed her?
Probably. Even an empty food bowl can be a catalyst for territory or dominance. And, it could happen regardless of what the breed of the dog.
Does he realize he killed Scout. He doesn't act like he did anything wrong. He
wants to play fetch, he doesn't act like he misses her....
Dogs have only one timeframe. NOW. He forgot about it probably about 5-10 minutes after he did it. All he knows is that you are pissed at him and
he has no idea why.
Since he killed a puppy, and he is not friendly with people, does that mean hepuppy. He
can't be trusted when my fiance and I decide to have children? I know people
and animal aggression are two totally seperate issues, but this was a
has never shown aggression towards me at all, even when I lost it last night
and beat him.
I think you should give him another home, or put him down. I think that
he could probably be worked with and become a very good dog, but you dont have the temperament for it and you have already abused him once. Also,
he now has a negative history with you and it goes both ways. He did something you think was "wrong" and you beat him.
Lastly, should I put the dog down? I love him, I really do, but I don'twant an
animal that I have to always worry about killing things all the time. I don'twon't like
want to think that he will bite some kid someday (He will chase them with his
hair standing up if they run, at least he would when he was a puppy. I haven't
seen what he will do now). I am so unsure what to do. I feel like if I put him
down, I am evil. But if it is the right thing to do, I will do it. I
it, but I will.
There are other alternatives to putting him down. You could try to find
him another home. But, yes, you should not own him. And, he needs to be neutered. Now.
Once again, I am sorry for your loss. But, this is too familiar a story. People take a breed upon themselves and do nothing to learn about how to
take care of them.
Again, this is not Chewy's fault.
Susan.
"Jeannette & Amy Zoss" <KellShelties@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
perhaps it would be better for the dog and for the health of your family if >you were to contact breed rescue and consider placing the dog rather than >trying to work through your problems.
Why would a rescue group want an unneutered male pitbull who growls at
people and has already KILLED another dog (and a defenceless puppy at
that)?
Oops, I forgot. They're all misunderstood little sweetcakes who've
never hurt a fly. Their reputation is all the fault of "media
hysteria". Let's adopt it out to a family full of little kids and
pets! Aww, poor misunderstood little pitbull!
Look you fucking dipshit. I did not get this dog to hurt other people's dog. I
got it for a pet. AND I TRIED to raise him good. I payed lots of attention to him, always took him to the vet, trained him. You STUPID FUCK, I used to take him with me 8 or 9 hours out of the day when I used to do real estate. I NEVER
ONCE let him fight another dog, I Never let him act aggressive towards another
dog, And I never implied it was ok for him to kill another dog. I Just thought
it was irrespoonsible to not know about the history of the dog before I got it
and I KNOW in its history, IT IS ANIMAL Aggressive. I just do not know if that
applies to puppies, and I want to know if he has a screw loose or it is normal
and I was the one irresponsible. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP you piece of shit. I do not need to hear you fucken comment on just because I got a pitbull I should not be a parent. I did not mean for him to kill my puppy and I am incredibly bummed out about it. So do me a favor and keep your fucken comments to yourself. I am not looking for people to jump in here and say "It is because all pitbulls are pieces of shit and need to be put to sleep." I was most likely
the irresponsible one, and THAT is what I need to know...
Thank you for your Reply Robin. I am having a tough time and I know I was at fault. Originally, when I got the dog, he was only 8 weeks old, and he wasn't afraid of people/aggresive towards people. I still don't know if he is considered to be aggressive or afraid, and I don't know if that matters. The reason I got him is because I had read that they are one of the most people friendly dogs around, and I love having animals. I made a mistake I regret very
much. I do not want to give him to someone who will fight him, and in all honesty, this statement
dog has never actually attacked or bitten
anyone, but is agressive towards everyone but yourself and your GF.
is incorrect I guess. He is "afraid?" maybe aggressive if they approach him but, he never openly acts aggressive towards people, it is more "wary" or "not
sure to if he is a friend or an bad person". I find truth in this statement you made
If it were my dog, REGARDLESS OF BREED, and I knew that the only thing >keeping
it from biting people was a strong leash and arm, and it had killed my other >dog.... well, I'm sorry, but it would have been at the vet this morning.
I honestly don't know what he would do if he were to get out and see other people on his own. I do know that when I walk him and someone approaches us, he
gets wierd. If I am talking to them and acknowledging I know them, he will simply ignore them and do his own thing. But even if he knows I am their friend
and he is on a leash, he doesn't want other people, especially big men, to pet
him. If they are in the house, he will let them pet him IF he has gone up to them, but if they approach him, he backs off. He doesn't back off and run away,
but he pulls back kinda like "HEY, don't approach me, let me approach you" and
then he tries to come back to them and sniff them. He doesn't like people advancing on him. I don't know if he would bite someone if he got out of the yard on his own. I think he would just play with them if it werent on his property and I wasn't there. BUT, I also never thought he would kill the puppy
and I dont have the right to make that assumption any more.
and with someone who does not abuse
the animal for doing something that it has been bred to do.
I was wrong. I was hurt and I reacted totally wrong. I would take back my actions if I could, but I can't. I am ashamed for my reaction.
My girlfriend is just as upset as I am but we are trying to be responsible (after the fact...Really irresponsible) and see it from the living dogs point of view that his nature is not ours and we messed up.
Anyways, I really appreciate your level headed response. If I have said anything that makes a difference, please respond.
I don't know where to start. I already had a 2 year old APBT (male and unneutered -mistake) named Chewy. Chewy is basically a good dog except he does
not really like people. He has never bit anyone, but it makes it obvious he does not like them. If we (me and my girlfriend) are around and someone goes up
to pet him, he lowers his stance, growls, and even whines like he is afraid. The only way he will let other people pet him is if he goes up to them first. I
tried to socialize him as a puppy, i would walk him and ask people to pet him,
but he always pulled away and growled. Never the less, he has never bitten anyone and has NEVER shown any aggression to me or my girlfriend.
A couple of weeks back we got a 11 week old female APBT. We introduced them and
after he displayed his dominance by acting like he was mounting her, they became the very best of friends. They would play and run side by side all day long. He would always try to entice her to play tug o war with the blanket they
sleep on, he would sleep with his head on her or let her curl her body right next to his. He used to let her "mockingly" win while play fighting, he would lie on his back in a submissive posture while she nipped at his face, and sometimes she would bite to hard and he would just bear it. I walked them both
every night, and they were great walking together. When she got parvo and I took her to the vet, he sat at home depressed, didn't act happy at all. When she was better and we brought her home he and she were the happiest dogs in the
world! They basically looked like they loved each other, and he acted like he was her protector...
Last night I came home and noticed that he was the only one at the screen door
waiting for me. I knew something was wrong. I opened up the door and popped my
head outside and she was lying there, next to an empty food bowl, dead. I couldn't believe it. (The food bowl was left outside because it was empty. I had started using another food bowl to feed them instead) I sat down next to her and her body was cold, and her limbs stiff. There wasnt any blood and I thought at first maybe he didn't kill her. I turned her over to the other side
and noticed her dew claw had been ripped off. When I turned her over there was
a little blood on her fur but no sign of a fight. Then I look closely at her head and I saw them. Little tiny puncture holes, near her eye, on top of her head, on the back of her head. I lost it. I knew in my heart what had happened.
She had probably been sniffing my damn food bowl I left outside, and Chewy came
up to her. He then grabbed her by the head, and she was trying to get away, so
much so that she lost her dewclaw in his chin (He has a cut on his chin that is
swollen and probably infected) and while she was struggling to get away, he somehow killed her. And I assume it is because of that food bowl I left outside. I was crying, petting her little head and body, wishing I was god so bad. I never realized how powerless I was until last night. I wanted to rub her
and make her come back to life, I was telling my baby that I was sorry and holding her stiff body against my chest. And then Chewy came up to me like nothing was wrong, his tail wagging, while I was sobbing about my girl. I went
apeshit. I put her down, I punch him in the face while screaming at him, I kicked him in the ribs hard, I kicked his back end as hard as I could twice, I
kept punching him. I think I was trying to kill him. He just let me hit him the
whole time, he didnt try to really run away, and he just sat there with his eyes open looking at me. I stopped, realized I didn't know what the hell I was
doing anymore, went inside and cried. After I was done crying, I brought Chewy
in, gave him a bath (he had blood on the front of his coat, and smelled like he
had killed something), then I gave him antibiotics for his inflamed cut on his
chin and made sure he could sit properly, and I checked his ribs to see if he hurt. I know I should not have hit him like that, I basically abused him and I
shouldn't have. I never have done anything like that before, I was against people beating there dogs like that. I took Scout (my sweet little baby puppy)
to my old house, buried her, I even brought Chewy along in the truck to spend time with him (Guilty over beating him, I was trying to justify it was in his nature, he is a dog, so it was wrong of me to get mad at him), then I went home
cried some more, and went to bed.
I woke up this morning depressed like crazy. I went out, gave Chewy his food and more antibiotics, but I didn't want to be near him. Inside, even if it is my fault and he is a dog, I don't want anything to do with him. I still gave him the medicine, pet him, told him he was a good boy, and now I am here. I have a couple of questions now because I need to make a desicion on whether to
put him down or not.
Why would he KILL a puppy. I know if it were another dog, since he is an APBT that he would kill it, but why a female puppy? Does that signify that he is not
a tempermentally sound dog? Is it really because he is an APBT or does he have
a screw loose. She was only 14 weeks old.. If I left the food bowl (empty food
bowl) out to other APBT owners, or dog owners for that matter, would your dog have killed her?
Does he realize he killed Scout. He doesn't act like he did anything wrong. He
wants to play fetch, he doesn't act like he misses her....
Since he killed a puppy, and he is not friendly with people, does that mean he
can't be trusted when my fiance and I decide to have children? I know people and animal aggression are two totally seperate issues, but this was a puppy. He
has never shown aggression towards me at all, even when I lost it last night and beat him.
Lastly, should I put the dog down? I love him, I really do, but I don't want an
animal that I have to always worry about killing things all the time. I don't want to think that he will bite some kid someday (He will chase them with his hair standing up if they run, at least he would when he was a puppy. I haven't
seen what he will do now). I am so unsure what to do. I feel like if I put him
down, I am evil. But if it is the right thing to do, I will do it. I won't like
it, but I will.
I don't know where to start. I already had a 2 year old APBT (male and unneutered -mistake) named Chewy. Chewy is basically a good dog except he does
not really like people. He has never bit anyone, but it makes it obvious he does not like them. If we (me and my girlfriend) are around and someone goes up
to pet him, he lowers his stance, growls, and even whines like he is afraid. The only way he will let other people pet him is if he goes up to them first. I
tried to socialize him as a puppy, i would walk him and ask people to pet him,
but he always pulled away and growled. Never the less, he has never bitten anyone and has NEVER shown any aggression to me or my girlfriend.
A couple of weeks back we got a 11 week old female APBT. We introduced them and
after he displayed his dominance by acting like he was mounting her, they became the very best of friends. They would play and run side by side all day long. He would always try to entice her to play tug o war with the blanket they
sleep on, he would sleep with his head on her or let her curl her body right next to his. He used to let her "mockingly" win while play fighting, he would lie on his back in a submissive posture while she nipped at his face, and sometimes she would bite to hard and he would just bear it. I walked them both
every night, and they were great walking together. When she got parvo and I took her to the vet, he sat at home depressed, didn't act happy at all. When she was better and we brought her home he and she were the happiest dogs in the
world! They basically looked like they loved each other, and he acted like he was her protector...
Last night I came home and noticed that he was the only one at the screen door
waiting for me. I knew something was wrong. I opened up the door and popped my
head outside and she was lying there, next to an empty food bowl, dead. I couldn't believe it. (The food bowl was left outside because it was empty. I had started using another food bowl to feed them instead) I sat down next to her and her body was cold, and her limbs stiff. There wasnt any blood and I thought at first maybe he didn't kill her. I turned her over to the other side
and noticed her dew claw had been ripped off. When I turned her over there was
a little blood on her fur but no sign of a fight. Then I look closely at her head and I saw them. Little tiny puncture holes, near her eye, on top of her head, on the back of her head. I lost it. I knew in my heart what had happened.
She had probably been sniffing my damn food bowl I left outside, and Chewy came
up to her. He then grabbed her by the head, and she was trying to get away, so
much so that she lost her dewclaw in his chin (He has a cut on his chin that is
swollen and probably infected) and while she was struggling to get away, he somehow killed her. And I assume it is because of that food bowl I left outside. I was crying, petting her little head and body, wishing I was god so bad. I never realized how powerless I was until last night. I wanted to rub her
and make her come back to life, I was telling my baby that I was sorry and holding her stiff body against my chest. And then Chewy came up to me like nothing was wrong, his tail wagging, while I was sobbing about my girl. I went
apeshit. I put her down, I punch him in the face while screaming at him, I kicked him in the ribs hard, I kicked his back end as hard as I could twice, I
kept punching him. I think I was trying to kill him. He just let me hit him the
whole time, he didnt try to really run away, and he just sat there with his eyes open looking at me. I stopped, realized I didn't know what the hell I was
doing anymore, went inside and cried. After I was done crying, I brought Chewy
in, gave him a bath (he had blood on the front of his coat, and smelled like he
had killed something), then I gave him antibiotics for his inflamed cut on his
chin and made sure he could sit properly, and I checked his ribs to see if he hurt. I know I should not have hit him like that, I basically abused him and I
shouldn't have. I never have done anything like that before, I was against people beating there dogs like that. I took Scout (my sweet little baby puppy)
to my old house, buried her, I even brought Chewy along in the truck to spend time with him (Guilty over beating him, I was trying to justify it was in his nature, he is a dog, so it was wrong of me to get mad at him), then I went home
cried some more, and went to bed.
I woke up this morning depressed like crazy. I went out, gave Chewy his food and more antibiotics, but I didn't want to be near him. Inside, even if it is my fault and he is a dog, I don't want anything to do with him. I still gave him the medicine, pet him, told him he was a good boy, and now I am here. I have a couple of questions now because I need to make a desicion on whether to
put him down or not.
Why would he KILL a puppy. I know if it were another dog, since he is an APBT that he would kill it, but why a female puppy? Does that signify that he is not
a tempermentally sound dog? Is it really because he is an APBT or does he have
a screw loose. She was only 14 weeks old.. If I left the food bowl (empty food
bowl) out to other APBT owners, or dog owners for that matter, would your dog have killed her?
Does he realize he killed Scout. He doesn't act like he did anything wrong. He
wants to play fetch, he doesn't act like he misses her....
Since he killed a puppy, and he is not friendly with people, does that mean he
can't be trusted when my fiance and I decide to have children? I know people and animal aggression are two totally seperate issues, but this was a puppy. He
has never shown aggression towards me at all, even when I lost it last night and beat him.
Lastly, should I put the dog down? I love him, I really do, but I don't want an
animal that I have to always worry about killing things all the time. I don't want to think that he will bite some kid someday (He will chase them with his hair standing up if they run, at least he would when he was a puppy. I haven't
seen what he will do now). I am so unsure what to do. I feel like if I put him
down, I am evil. But if it is the right thing to do, I will do it. I won't like
it, but I will.
On Thursday, 4 February 1999 08:00:00 UTC, MV Tanning wrote:
Shut the fuck up. All dogs are programmed as DOGS! GUESS THE FUCK WHAT? Dogs, any breed can attack both humans and or animals. Look up actual statistics about dig aggression, and bites. You'll be surprised Pitbulls are not at the top. Chihuahuas are!!!
Ignorant scum. Never own a dog, cat or lizard at that. You dont know shit you close minded imbecile.
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