• Dog trainer research survey

    From cshenk@21:1/5 to Alison on Sun Mar 6 15:21:08 2016
    Alison wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

    "cshenk" <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote in message news:wbydnROQVZNFFrvPnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com...
    Alison wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:


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    Hey there. The hell with the folks who say we can't turn this into
    pet chat.

    How'd it turn out with your dogs?

    After Unca Sammy died, 2.5 years later Aunti Mabel passed. We added
    Iowna in May. She's blind in her remaning eye (gentimycin treated)
    but our main problem is she is utterly bold and climbs stuff.

    Iowna is 11yo and went blind age 9. She was past all the drama
    before we got her.

    She settled right in with Cash and Daisy-chan.

    Carol >>

    Hi Carol,
    Well done for adopting elderly, disabled dogs!
    I have three dogs now. I have old Dibby , who is chi sized and in
    his mid teens. he was attacked by two dogs a few weeks ago and lucky
    not to have had stitches. Poor baby ! Pip who is a JRt x about 4 now
    and he is a good dog and most recently Libby, a "rough haired" Chi
    who is about 18 months who is a real madam but very cute ! She is
    house trained now and less reactive to people but tends to do her nut
    when she sees other dogs .

    Alison

    LOl, I hit the wrong key and old messages showed up.

    Any of us old guard still here? Iowna is. She'll be 14 in a few
    months. Cash is fine too as is Daisy-chan the cat.

    Carol

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  • From William Clodius@21:1/5 to cshenk on Sun Mar 6 20:05:14 2016
    cshenk <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote:

    <snip>

    LOl, I hit the wrong key and old messages showed up.

    Any of us old guard still here? Iowna is. She'll be 14 in a few
    months. Cash is fine too as is Daisy-chan the cat.

    Carol
    FIW myself and Peanut are still around, though she is feeling her age
    even more than myself.

    Bill Clodius

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  • From Opinicus@21:1/5 to cshenk on Mon Mar 7 06:44:06 2016
    On Sun, 06 Mar 2016 15:21:08 -0600, "cshenk" <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote:

    LOl, I hit the wrong key and old messages showed up.
    Any of us old guard still here? Iowna is. She'll be 14 in a few
    months. Cash is fine too as is Daisy-chan the cat.

    We're down to 1 dog and no cats. Balim, our English cocker spaniel,
    will complete her 10th year in June. She's doing fine--a little too
    fine perhaps. Since we put her on Hills mobility kibble about six
    weeks ago she's recovered a spryness that sometimes tires me out and
    makes me wish they had something like that for us humans.

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    Bob
    The joint that time is out of
    www.kanyak.com

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  • From Ben@21:1/5 to cshenk on Mon Mar 7 14:06:55 2016
    "cshenk" <cshenk1@cox.net> writes:
    <snip>
    LOl, I hit the wrong key and old messages showed up.

    Might turn out to be a happy accident!

    Any of us old guard still here? Iowna is. She'll be 14 in a few
    months. Cash is fine too as is Daisy-chan the cat.

    I'm not old guard in that I don't think I was around then, but I've been
    reding the group for some time, though there are hardly any posts.

    We got a young rescue Staffie when our old and dear Staffie died a year
    ago. Because she was rather untrained, un-socialised and boisterous, I
    took her to the local obedience club and she been working her way though
    the Kennel Club Good Citizen scheme.

    I enjoyed it so much that I've started to try my had at instructing at
    the club which exposes you to a very wide range of dogs and dog
    behaviour. Never a dull moment!

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    Ben.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to William Clodius on Mon Mar 7 18:17:38 2016
    William Clodius wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

    cshenk <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote:

    <snip>

    LOl, I hit the wrong key and old messages showed up.

    Any of us old guard still here? Iowna is. She'll be 14 in a few
    months. Cash is fine too as is Daisy-chan the cat.

    Carol
    FIW myself and Peanut are still around, though she is feeling her age
    even more than myself.

    Bill Clodius

    Glad to see you Bill!

    I saw old notes from Alison. She wanted to chat but there were
    contraints that made us not really do that (one of the members didnt
    like it). She seems gone but maybe now, we can?

    I'd like to hear how Peanut is and yourself as well. I want to hear
    your good and funny stories and the days where you learned something.

    I'm well here. Retired from the Navy now and working as a contractor
    as a SQL programmer. Learned a lot about blind dogs after adopting
    one. They for example are a lot easier than deaf ones in the end.

    Carol

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Opinicus on Mon Mar 7 18:29:25 2016
    Opinicus wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

    On Sun, 06 Mar 2016 15:21:08 -0600, "cshenk" <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote:

    LOl, I hit the wrong key and old messages showed up.
    Any of us old guard still here? Iowna is. She'll be 14 in a few
    months. Cash is fine too as is Daisy-chan the cat.

    We're down to 1 dog and no cats. Balim, our English cocker spaniel,
    will complete her 10th year in June. She's doing fine--a little too
    fine perhaps. Since we put her on Hills mobility kibble about six
    weeks ago she's recovered a spryness that sometimes tires me out and
    makes me wish they had something like that for us humans.

    Snicker, I love it!

    I am into beagles and they tend to be long lived.

    When we got Iowna (blind age 9, adopted age 11) we had to bolt
    bookshelves to the walls for the first time since Charlotte was a
    toddler. Yup, she was a climber. We'd find her 4 rows up. We tried
    to block her with bungee cords and she used those to jump.

    Well, she's almost 14 now and on Tramadol for arthritis. No more
    climbing much. I can tell tales of when she did though!

    Carol

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to Ben on Mon Mar 7 18:41:17 2016
    Ben wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

    "cshenk" <cshenk1@cox.net> writes:
    <snip>
    LOl, I hit the wrong key and old messages showed up.

    Might turn out to be a happy accident!

    Any of us old guard still here? Iowna is. She'll be 14 in a few
    months. Cash is fine too as is Daisy-chan the cat.

    I'm not old guard in that I don't think I was around then, but I've
    been reding the group for some time, though there are hardly any
    posts.

    We got a young rescue Staffie when our old and dear Staffie died a
    year ago. Because she was rather untrained, un-socialised and
    boisterous, I took her to the local obedience club and she been
    working her way though the Kennel Club Good Citizen scheme.

    I enjoyed it so much that I've started to try my had at instructing at
    the club which exposes you to a very wide range of dogs and dog
    behaviour. Never a dull moment!

    Smile, welcome! Naw, ya don't have to be old guard. In fact, some of
    the old guard are why the place was dead of traffic.

    You'd probably have fun learning the differences in dogs. Blind ones
    can be interesting and a lot of care can be needed. They can't do the
    'flight' part of fright so care is needed to keep them from that.

    Hehe Iowna doesnt need the good neighbor schema and Cash is so mellow
    if a dog barks in his face, he'll just put his head on a pillow and go
    to sleep.

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  • From William Clodius@21:1/5 to William Clodius on Mon Mar 7 22:18:50 2016
    William Clodius <w.clodius@icloud.com> wrote:

    cshenk <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote:
    <Snip>
    Our past few years have been difficult. Our other dog, Smokey, had
    always had problems with dominance and a high startle response.
    Initially the startle problems were largely confined to me. Once my
    oldest had left for college, and my youngest got ready for college, he
    became my responsibility. I am easily distracted, and have a benign
    essential tremor. As a result I would sometimes make a mistake in
    putting on his prong collar. Initially putting on the collar would never
    be a problem, but if after putting it on I had to readjust it I would sometimes get a bite that seemed to an automatic response that to me
    seemed fear based. My youngest, myself, and my wife had different ideas
    about dogs and we had trouble implementing a consistent approach towards
    his problems. The problems rapidly became unacceptable after a rattle
    snake bite to her face. The vets found it impossible to handle her while
    she was in pain from the bite. Aterwards she had fear aggression in
    normal visits to the vets so it would soon become difficult to maintain
    his shots. Then unexpected hand motions near his head by people other
    than myself could provke bites. In the end he had to be put to sleep.
    <snip>

    I don't know why I sometimes referred to smokey as her above, except
    that Peanut also had a snake bite.

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  • From William Clodius@21:1/5 to cshenk on Mon Mar 7 22:15:07 2016
    cshenk <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote:

    William Clodius wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

    cshenk <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote:

    <snip>

    LOl, I hit the wrong key and old messages showed up.

    Any of us old guard still here? Iowna is. She'll be 14 in a few
    months. Cash is fine too as is Daisy-chan the cat.

    Carol
    FIW myself and Peanut are still around, though she is feeling her age
    even more than myself.

    Bill Clodius

    Glad to see you Bill!
    Thank you. Its good to see you too.


    I saw old notes from Alison. She wanted to chat but there were
    contraints that made us not really do that (one of the members didnt
    like it). She seems gone but maybe now, we can?

    Newsgroups such ath this one were supposed to have a focus, but it is
    difficult to maintain that focus without moderators, and difficult to
    find moderators without either their own agendas, or a lack of the
    patience needed to maintain their role for more than a couple of years.
    When I found this newsgroup around 2002 It had a reasonable volume of knowledgeable posts on topic, one or two frequent trolls, such as Jerry,
    that could be handled with a kill file. There weere also a couple of
    regular posters who weren't trolls, but weren't willing to accept their limitations, and easily got involved in public spats. About 2006-2007
    the volume of posts started declining, due to a combination of the
    availability of other forums, and a lack of patience with the spats.

    Yours' and Alison's posts were far from significant problems, but in the
    end they were about the only posts appearing in this newsgroup, and that
    made them a symbol of how far the group had deviated from its mission. I
    kept this newgroup on my list, because the lack of postings meant that
    keeping it wasn't a problem though the rare postings that appeared were
    rarely on topic.


    I'd like to hear how Peanut is and yourself as well. I want to hear your
    good and funny stories and the days where you learned something.

    I don;t have anything to say that is particularly good and funny, but I
    do want to bring you and anyone else here that remembers me up to date.

    Our past few years have been difficult. Our other dog, Smokey, had
    always had problems with dominance and a high startle response.
    Initially the startle problems were largely confined to me. Once my
    oldest had left for college, and my youngest got ready for college, he
    became my responsibility. I am easily distracted, and have a benign
    essential tremor. As a result I would sometimes make a mistake in
    putting on his prong collar. Initially putting on the collar would never
    be a problem, but if after putting it on I had to readjust it I would
    sometimes get a bite that seemed to an automatic response that to me
    seemed fear based. My youngest, myself, and my wife had different ideas
    about dogs and we had trouble implementing a consistent approach towards
    his problems. The problems rapidly became unacceptable after a rattle
    snake bite to her face. The vets found it impossible to handle her while
    she was in pain from the bite. Aterwards she had fear aggression in
    normal visits to the vets so it would soon become difficult to maintain
    his shots. Then unexpected hand motions near his head by people other
    than myself could provke bites. In the end he had to be put to sleep.

    Peanut has never been a problem with people, but she has had her share
    of other problems. About four years ago, before Smokey's snakebite, she
    started developing anxiety on car rides. Then after Smokey was gone she developed immunal mediated hemolytic anemia (IMHA). After two blood transfusions and a year and a quaarter of gradually weaning her off of
    imunal suppressant medications, she has been free of that problem, but
    near the end of that treatment she started to show a strong flee
    response in the presence of high pitched beeps from smoke alarm
    batteries dieing, and some TV programs. Then she had a rattlesnake bite
    on her face. Then she developed glaucoma (high eyeball pressure in her
    left eye) that turned out to be an unusual type of cancer behind the
    eye. We now have a pirate dog that is no longer afraid of high pitched
    beeps, but still is anxious on car rides.

    My dautghters, who used to be in 4H animal training with our dogs, have
    now both completed their undergraduate studies. My oldest is now in her
    second year of Vet school, and has a dog of her own. My youngest is a
    research assistant in a field related to her major and is thinking about graduate school. She has a cat.


    I'm well here. Retired from the Navy now and working as a contractor
    as a SQL programmer. Learned a lot about blind dogs after adopting
    one. They for example are a lot easier than deaf ones in the end.

    Carol

    Good to here. Most of my former coworkers of my age have retired, but I
    am still working for now.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to William Clodius on Wed Mar 9 18:49:40 2016
    William Clodius wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

    cshenk <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote:

    William Clodius wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

    cshenk <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote:

    <snip>

    LOl, I hit the wrong key and old messages showed up.

    Any of us old guard still here? Iowna is. She'll be 14 in a
    few months. Cash is fine too as is Daisy-chan the cat.

    Carol
    FIW myself and Peanut are still around, though she is feeling her
    age even more than myself.

    Bill Clodius

    Glad to see you Bill!
    Thank you. Its good to see you too.


    I saw old notes from Alison. She wanted to chat but there were
    contraints that made us not really do that (one of the members didnt
    like it). She seems gone but maybe now, we can?

    Newsgroups such ath this one were supposed to have a focus, but it is difficult to maintain that focus without moderators, and difficult to
    find moderators without either their own agendas, or a lack of the
    patience needed to maintain their role for more than a couple of
    years. When I found this newsgroup around 2002 It had a reasonable
    volume of knowledgeable posts on topic, one or two frequent trolls,
    such as Jerry, that could be handled with a kill file. There weere
    also a couple of regular posters who weren't trolls, but weren't
    willing to accept their limitations, and easily got involved in
    public spats. About 2006-2007 the volume of posts started declining,
    due to a combination of the availability of other forums, and a lack
    of patience with the spats.

    Yours' and Alison's posts were far from significant problems, but in
    the end they were about the only posts appearing in this newsgroup,
    and that made them a symbol of how far the group had deviated from
    its mission. I kept this newgroup on my list, because the lack of
    postings meant that keeping it wasn't a problem though the rare
    postings that appeared were rarely on topic.


    I'd like to hear how Peanut is and yourself as well. I want to hear
    your good and funny stories and the days where you learned
    something.

    I don;t have anything to say that is particularly good and funny, but
    I do want to bring you and anyone else here that remembers me up to
    date.

    Our past few years have been difficult. Our other dog, Smokey, had
    always had problems with dominance and a high startle response.
    Initially the startle problems were largely confined to me. Once my
    oldest had left for college, and my youngest got ready for college, he
    became my responsibility. I am easily distracted, and have a benign
    essential tremor. As a result I would sometimes make a mistake in
    putting on his prong collar. Initially putting on the collar would
    never be a problem, but if after putting it on I had to readjust it I
    would sometimes get a bite that seemed to an automatic response that
    to me seemed fear based. My youngest, myself, and my wife had
    different ideas about dogs and we had trouble implementing a
    consistent approach towards his problems. The problems rapidly became unacceptable after a rattle snake bite to her face. The vets found it impossible to handle her while she was in pain from the bite.
    Aterwards she had fear aggression in normal visits to the vets so it
    would soon become difficult to maintain his shots. Then unexpected
    hand motions near his head by people other than myself could provke
    bites. In the end he had to be put to sleep.

    Peanut has never been a problem with people, but she has had her share
    of other problems. About four years ago, before Smokey's snakebite,
    she started developing anxiety on car rides. Then after Smokey was
    gone she developed immunal mediated hemolytic anemia (IMHA). After
    two blood transfusions and a year and a quaarter of gradually weaning
    her off of imunal suppressant medications, she has been free of that
    problem, but near the end of that treatment she started to show a
    strong flee response in the presence of high pitched beeps from smoke
    alarm batteries dieing, and some TV programs. Then she had a
    rattlesnake bite on her face. Then she developed glaucoma (high
    eyeball pressure in her left eye) that turned out to be an unusual
    type of cancer behind the eye. We now have a pirate dog that is no
    longer afraid of high pitched beeps, but still is anxious on car
    rides.

    My dautghters, who used to be in 4H animal training with our dogs,
    have now both completed their undergraduate studies. My oldest is now
    in her second year of Vet school, and has a dog of her own. My
    youngest is a research assistant in a field related to her major and
    is thinking about graduate school. She has a cat.


    I'm well here. Retired from the Navy now and working as a
    contractor as a SQL programmer. Learned a lot about blind dogs
    after adopting one. They for example are a lot easier than deaf
    ones in the end.

    Carol

    Good to here. Most of my former coworkers of my age have retired, but
    I am still working for now.

    Grin, it's been a time since this group had much activity. Dogman meant
    well but the group was suffering by the time I came in (2008) and he
    regularily shut folks down on any more discussion. I suspect he was
    reaching to the older volume but had lost the users that generated it?

    Meantime, I have learned a fair amount about blind dogs and how to
    train them as well as how to safe a house around them. I'm today
    sitting 2 blind 3 year olds. Glaucoma, same litter, irresponsible
    breeder who apparently bred a glaucoma doxie to a glaucoma doxie and
    fellow didnt know it when he bought 'purebred' doxies.

    He didnt know where to take them when they understandably freaked out
    at the noice of a jack hammer removing a diveway at the same time as a
    tree being taken out. So, he sees me walking Iowna (blind) all the
    time and tried here.

    If you recall Cash, the heartworm dog, he's still here. He was allowed
    to run with a slow bicycle for many years but now, age 9+ (not
    determined) the vet prefers a human jog speed. He has a heart murmer
    that has been intermittant on test catching it, since we got him in
    2008.

    I'm not sure on rattlesnake bites but luckily I liver where such isnt
    an issue!

    Carol

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to William Clodius on Tue Jun 14 21:40:09 2016
    William Clodius wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

    cshenk <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote:

    <snip>

    LOl, I hit the wrong key and old messages showed up.

    Any of us old guard still here? Iowna is. She'll be 14 in a few
    months. Cash is fine too as is Daisy-chan the cat.

    Carol
    FIW myself and Peanut are still around, though she is feeling her age
    even more than myself.

    Bill Clodius

    Hey Bill, I'm working with a lady on diets and a big one at this age
    can be anti-oxident boosters. Check www.monicasegal.com

    Iowna turns 14 on 2 July.

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  • From William Clodius@21:1/5 to cshenk on Tue Jun 14 21:14:00 2016
    cshenk <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote:

    William Clodius wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
    <snip>

    Hey Bill, I'm working with a lady on diets and a big one at this age
    can be anti-oxident boosters. Check www.monicasegal.com

    Iowna turns 14 on 2 July.

    We think Peanut turns 14 around July 4. We got her at about 12 weeks on
    Labour day. FWIW my vet student daughter says that Peanut is currently
    on a Pro-biotic diet with anti-oxidants.

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  • From cshenk@21:1/5 to William Clodius on Fri Jun 17 14:21:48 2016
    William Clodius wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

    cshenk <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote:

    William Clodius wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
    <snip>

    Hey Bill, I'm working with a lady on diets and a big one at this age
    can be anti-oxident boosters. Check www.monicasegal.com

    Iowna turns 14 on 2 July.

    We think Peanut turns 14 around July 4. We got her at about 12 weeks
    on Labour day. FWIW my vet student daughter says that Peanut is
    currently on a Pro-biotic diet with anti-oxidants.

    Yes, pro-biotics if there are digestive issues. Iowna has no digestive
    issues but has serious arthritis.

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