"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — A group of Chinese citizens living and working in Florida sued the state Monday over a new law that bans Chinese nationals from purchasing property in large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16 kilometers) of military installations and other “critical infrastructure” and also affects citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia, and North Korea. But Chinese citizens and those selling
property to them face the harshest penalties. The prohibition also applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law will have a substantial chilling effect on sales to Chinese and Asian people who can legally buy property. The suit says the law unfairly equates Chinese people with the actions of their government and
there is no evidence of national security risk from Chinese citizens buying Florida property.

The law “will codify and expand housing discrimination against people of Asian descent in violation of the Constitution and the Fair Housing Act,” the ACLU said in a news release announcing the suit. “It will also cast an undue burden of suspicion
on anyone seeking to buy property whose name sounds remotely Asian, Russian, Iranian, Cuban, Venezuelan, or Syrian.”"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership of agricultural land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting foreign ownership or investments in private agricultural land. So far this year, restrictive laws also have been enacted in Arkansas, Idaho, Montana, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become “a political flashpoint,” said Micah Brown, a staff attorney for the National Agricultural Law Center at the University of Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws targeting land ownership by foreign entities stems from some highly publicized cases of Chinese-connected companies purchasing land near military bases. Earlier this year, the U.S. Air Force said that the Fufeng
Group’s planned $700 million wet corn milling plant near a base in Grand Forks, North Dakota, poses a “significant threat to national security.”

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind farm near an Air Force base in Texas, that state responded in 2021 by banning infrastructure deals with individuals tied to hostile governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

TB

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On 5/22/2023 7:55 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — A group of Chinese citizens living and working in Florida sued the state Monday over a new law that bans Chinese nationals from purchasing property in large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16 kilometers) of military installations and other “critical infrastructure” and also affects citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia, and North Korea. But Chinese citizens and those selling

property to them face the harshest penalties. The prohibition also applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law will have a substantial chilling effect on sales to Chinese and Asian people who can legally buy property. The suit says the law unfairly equates Chinese people with the actions of their government and

there is no evidence of national security risk from Chinese citizens buying Florida property.

The law “will codify and expand housing discrimination against people of Asian descent in violation of the Constitution and the Fair Housing Act,” the ACLU said in a news release announcing the suit. “It will also cast an undue burden of

suspicion on anyone seeking to buy property whose name sounds remotely Asian, Russian, Iranian, Cuban, Venezuelan, or Syrian.”"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership of agricultural land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting foreign ownership or investments in private agricultural land. So far this year, restrictive laws also have been enacted in Arkansas, Idaho, Montana, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become “a political flashpoint,” said Micah Brown, a staff attorney for the National Agricultural Law Center at the University of Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws targeting land ownership by foreign entities stems from some highly publicized cases of Chinese-connected companies purchasing land near military bases. Earlier this year, the U.S. Air Force said that the

Fufeng Group’s planned $700 million wet corn milling plant near a base in Grand Forks, North Dakota, poses a “significant threat to national security.”

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind farm near an Air Force base in Texas, that state responded in 2021 by banning infrastructure deals with individuals tied to hostile governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

TB

So you agree with the Biden's and think we should sell or give
everything we own to the ChiComs.
--
(Space holder for future brilliant signature line)

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — A group of Chinese citizens living and working in Florida sued the state Monday over a new law that bans
Chinese nationals from purchasing property in large swaths of the
state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16 kilometers) of
military installations and other “critical infrastructure” and also affects citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia, and
North Korea. But Chinese citizens and those selling property to
them face the harshest penalties. The prohibition also applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law will have a
substantial chilling effect on sales to Chinese and Asian people
who can legally buy property. The suit says the law unfairly
equates Chinese people with the actions of their government and
there is no evidence of national security risk from Chinese
citizens buying Florida property.

The law “will codify and expand housing discrimination against
people of Asian descent in violation of the Constitution and the
Fair Housing Act,” the ACLU said in a news release announcing the
suit. “It will also cast an undue burden of suspicion on anyone
seeking to buy property whose name sounds remotely Asian, Russian,
Iranian, Cuban, Venezuelan, or Syrian.”"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership of agricultural
land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting foreign ownership
or investments in private agricultural land. So far this year,
restrictive laws also have been enacted in Arkansas, Idaho,
Montana, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become “a political flashpoint,”
said Micah Brown, a staff attorney for the National Agricultural
Law Center at the University of Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws targeting land ownership
by foreign entities stems from some highly publicized cases of Chinese-connected companies purchasing land near military bases.
Earlier this year, the U.S. Air Force said that the Fufeng
Group’s planned $700 million wet corn milling plant near a base
in Grand Forks, North Dakota, poses a “significant threat to
national security.”

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind
farm near an Air Force base in Texas, that state responded in 2021
by banning infrastructure deals with individuals tied to hostile
governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA infrastructure?

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:43:52 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — A group of Chinese citizens living and working in Florida sued the state Monday over a new law that bans
Chinese nationals from purchasing property in large swaths of the
state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16 kilometers) of
military installations and other “critical infrastructure†and also affects citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia, and
North Korea. But Chinese citizens and those selling property to
them face the harshest penalties. The prohibition also applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law will have a
substantial chilling effect on sales to Chinese and Asian people
who can legally buy property. The suit says the law unfairly
equates Chinese people with the actions of their government and
there is no evidence of national security risk from Chinese
citizens buying Florida property.

The law “will codify and expand housing discrimination against
people of Asian descent in violation of the Constitution and the
Fair Housing Act,†the ACLU said in a news release announcing the suit. “It will also cast an undue burden of suspicion on anyone seeking to buy property whose name sounds remotely Asian, Russian,
Iranian, Cuban, Venezuelan, or Syrian.†"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership of agricultural
land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting foreign ownership
or investments in private agricultural land. So far this year,
restrictive laws also have been enacted in Arkansas, Idaho,
Montana, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become “a political flashpoint,â€
said Micah Brown, a staff attorney for the National Agricultural
Law Center at the University of Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws targeting land ownership
by foreign entities stems from some highly publicized cases of Chinese-connected companies purchasing land near military bases.
Earlier this year, the U.S. Air Force said that the Fufeng
Group’s planned $700 million wet corn milling plant near a base
in Grand Forks, North Dakota, poses a “significant threat to national security.â€

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind
farm near an Air Force base in Texas, that state responded in 2021
by banning infrastructure deals with individuals tied to hostile governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA infrastructure?

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the article I posted doesn't say anything about Chinese nationals buying critical USA infrastructures. What critical infrastructure did they buy and what is your opinion about that?

TB

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:43:52 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — A group of Chinese citizens
living and working in Florida sued the state Monday over a new
law that bans Chinese nationals from purchasing property in
large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16 kilometers)
of military installations and other “critical
infrastructure†and also affects citizens of Cuba,
Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia, and North Korea. But Chinese
citizens and those selling property to them face the harshest
penalties. The prohibition also applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law will have a
substantial chilling effect on sales to Chinese and Asian
people who can legally buy property. The suit says the law
unfairly equates Chinese people with the actions of their
government and there is no evidence of national security risk
from Chinese citizens buying Florida property.

The law “will codify and expand housing discrimination
against people of Asian descent in violation of the
Constitution and the Fair Housing Act,†the ACLU said in a
news release announcing the suit. “It will also cast an
undue burden of suspicion on anyone seeking to buy property
whose name sounds remotely Asian, Russian, Iranian, Cuban,
Venezuelan, or Syrian.†"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership of
agricultural land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting foreign
ownership or investments in private agricultural land. So far
this year, restrictive laws also have been enacted in Arkansas,
Idaho, Montana, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become “a political
flashpoint,†said Micah Brown, a staff attorney for the
National Agricultural Law Center at the University of
Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws targeting land
ownership by foreign entities stems from some highly publicized
cases of Chinese-connected companies purchasing land near
military bases. Earlier this year, the U.S. Air Force said that
the Fufeng Group’s planned $700 million wet corn milling >>> plant near a base in Grand Forks, North Dakota, poses a
“significant threat to national security.â€

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a
wind farm near an Air Force base in Texas, that state responded
in 2021 by banning infrastructure deals with individuals tied
to hostile governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA

infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the article I posted
doesn't say anything about Chinese nationals buying critical USA infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own stuff? ----------------------------------------
After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind
farm near an Air Force base in Texas, that state responded in 2021
by banning infrastructure deals with individuals tied to hostile
governments, including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you probably don't even know
what critical infrastructure is: -------------------------------------------------------------------
There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems,
and networks, whether physical or virtual, are considered so vital to
the United States that their incapacitation or destruction would have
a debilitating effect on security, national economic security,
national public health or safety, or any combination thereof. -------------------------------------------------------------------

and what
is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion?

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:46:19 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:43:52 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)  A group of Chinese citizens
living and working in Florida sued the state Monday over a new
law that bans Chinese nationals from purchasing property in
large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16 kilometers)
of military installations and other “critical
infrastructure†and also affects citizens of Cuba,
Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia, and North Korea. But Chinese
citizens and those selling property to them face the harshest
penalties. The prohibition also applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law will have a
substantial chilling effect on sales to Chinese and Asian
people who can legally buy property. The suit says the law
unfairly equates Chinese people with the actions of their
government and there is no evidence of national security risk
from Chinese citizens buying Florida property.

The law “will codify and expand housing discrimination
against people of Asian descent in violation of the
Constitution and the Fair Housing Act,†the ACLU said in a
news release announcing the suit. “It will also cast an >>> undue burden of suspicion on anyone seeking to buy property
whose name sounds remotely Asian, Russian, Iranian, Cuban,
Venezuelan, or Syrian.†"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership of
agricultural land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting foreign
ownership or investments in private agricultural land. So far
this year, restrictive laws also have been enacted in Arkansas,
Idaho, Montana, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become “a political
flashpoint,†said Micah Brown, a staff attorney for the
National Agricultural Law Center at the University of
Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws targeting land
ownership by foreign entities stems from some highly publicized
cases of Chinese-connected companies purchasing land near
military bases. Earlier this year, the U.S. Air Force said that
the Fufeng Group’s planned $700 million wet corn milling >>> plant near a base in Grand Forks, North Dakota, poses a
“significant threat to national security.â€

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a
wind farm near an Air Force base in Texas, that state responded
in 2021 by banning infrastructure deals with individuals tied
to hostile governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA

infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the article I posted
doesn't say anything about Chinese nationals buying critical USA infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own stuff? ----------------------------------------
After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind
farm near an Air Force base in Texas, that state responded in 2021
by banning infrastructure deals with individuals tied to hostile governments, including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you probably don't even know
what critical infrastructure is: -------------------------------------------------------------------
There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems,
and networks, whether physical or virtual, are considered so vital to
the United States that their incapacitation or destruction would have
a debilitating effect on security, national economic security,
national public health or safety, or any combination thereof. -------------------------------------------------------------------

and what
is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't think Chinese nationals BOUGHT any of that. They might have bought land near that. Can you tell me what critical infrastructure Chinese nationals BOUGHT. I will also need your opinion about this.

I'm mostly interested in facts. You are mostly interested in opinions. Going forward, if you want to have any hope of getting a straight answer about my opinions, you will need to start by stating your opinion.

TB

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:46:19 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:43:52 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)  A group of Chinese
citizens living and working in Florida sued the state
Monday over a new law that bans Chinese nationals from
purchasing property in large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16
kilometers) of military installations and other
“critical infrastructure†and also
affects citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia,
and North Korea. But Chinese citizens and those selling
property to them face the harshest penalties. The
prohibition also applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law will have
a substantial chilling effect on sales to Chinese and
Asian people who can legally buy property. The suit says
the law unfairly equates Chinese people with the actions of
their government and there is no evidence of national
security risk from Chinese citizens buying Florida
property.

The law “will codify and expand housing >>>>> discrimination against people of Asian descent in violation
of the Constitution and the Fair Housing Act,†>>>>> the ACLU said in a news release announcing the suit.
“It will also cast an undue burden of >>>>> suspicion on anyone seeking to buy property whose name
sounds remotely Asian, Russian, Iranian, Cuban, Venezuelan,
or Syrian.†"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership of
agricultural land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting foreign
ownership or investments in private agricultural land. So
far this year, restrictive laws also have been enacted in
Arkansas, Idaho, Montana, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become “a >>>>> political flashpoint,†said Micah Brown, a staff >>>>> attorney for the National Agricultural Law Center at the
University of Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws targeting land
ownership by foreign entities stems from some highly
publicized cases of Chinese-connected companies purchasing
land near military bases. Earlier this year, the U.S. Air
Force said that the Fufeng Group’s planned
$700 million wet corn milling plant near a base in Grand
Forks, North Dakota, poses a “significant
threat to national security.â€

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon bought
a wind farm near an Air Force base in Texas, that state
responded in 2021 by banning infrastructure deals with
individuals tied to hostile governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA

infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the article I
posted doesn't say anything about Chinese nationals buying
critical USA infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own stuff?
---------------------------------------- After a Chinese army
veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind farm near an Air
Force base in Texas, that state responded in 2021 by banning
infrastructure deals with individuals tied to hostile
governments, including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you probably don't even
know what critical infrastructure is:
-------------------------------------------------------------------

There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems,

and networks, whether physical or virtual, are considered so
vital to the United States that their incapacitation or
destruction would have a debilitating effect on security,
national economic security, national public health or safety, or
any combination thereof.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

and what

is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion? -- bill Theory don't mean
squat if it don't work.

I don't think Chinese nationals BOUGHT any of that. They might have
bought land near that. Can you tell me what critical infrastructure
Chinese nationals BOUGHT. I will also need your opinion about
this.

I'm mostly interested in facts. You are mostly interested in
opinions. Going forward, if you want to have any hope of getting a
straight answer about my opinions, you will need to start by
stating your opinion.

Are you claiming that the article you posted does Not contain facts?
That the Chinese guy was Not a Chinese national? That he did Not BUY a
wind farm? That a wind farm is Not critical infrastructure? What?

And at the end of the day going forward, I should probably reorient
and reevaluate the calculus of any uniquely possible metric of hope
that I may have on the table of literally getting a straight answer
from you at any point in the passage of time?

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:44:31 AM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:46:19 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:43:52 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote: >>>> Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)  A group of Chinese
citizens living and working in Florida sued the state
Monday over a new law that bans Chinese nationals from
purchasing property in large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16
kilometers) of military installations and other
“critical infrastructure†and also
affects citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia,
and North Korea. But Chinese citizens and those selling
property to them face the harshest penalties. The
prohibition also applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law will have
a substantial chilling effect on sales to Chinese and
Asian people who can legally buy property. The suit says
the law unfairly equates Chinese people with the actions of
their government and there is no evidence of national
security risk from Chinese citizens buying Florida
property.

The law “will codify and expand housing
discrimination against people of Asian descent in violation
of the Constitution and the Fair Housing Act,†>>>>> the ACLU said in a news release announcing the suit.
“It will also cast an undue burden of >>>>> suspicion on anyone seeking to buy property whose name
sounds remotely Asian, Russian, Iranian, Cuban, Venezuelan,
or Syrian.†"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership of
agricultural land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting foreign
ownership or investments in private agricultural land. So
far this year, restrictive laws also have been enacted in
Arkansas, Idaho, Montana, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become “a >>>>> political flashpoint,†said Micah Brown, a staff >>>>> attorney for the National Agricultural Law Center at the
University of Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws targeting land
ownership by foreign entities stems from some highly
publicized cases of Chinese-connected companies purchasing
land near military bases. Earlier this year, the U.S. Air
Force said that the Fufeng Group’s planned
$700 million wet corn milling plant near a base in Grand
Forks, North Dakota, poses a “significant
threat to national security.â€

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon bought
a wind farm near an Air Force base in Texas, that state
responded in 2021 by banning infrastructure deals with
individuals tied to hostile governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA

infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the article I
posted doesn't say anything about Chinese nationals buying
critical USA infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own stuff?
---------------------------------------- After a Chinese army
veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind farm near an Air
Force base in Texas, that state responded in 2021 by banning
infrastructure deals with individuals tied to hostile
governments, including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you probably don't even
know what critical infrastructure is:
-------------------------------------------------------------------

There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems,

and networks, whether physical or virtual, are considered so
vital to the United States that their incapacitation or
destruction would have a debilitating effect on security,
national economic security, national public health or safety, or
any combination thereof.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

and what

is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion? -- bill Theory don't mean
squat if it don't work.

I don't think Chinese nationals BOUGHT any of that. They might have
bought land near that. Can you tell me what critical infrastructure Chinese nationals BOUGHT. I will also need your opinion about
this.

I'm mostly interested in facts. You are mostly interested in
opinions. Going forward, if you want to have any hope of getting a straight answer about my opinions, you will need to start by
stating your opinion.

Are you claiming that the article you posted does Not contain facts?
That the Chinese guy was Not a Chinese national? That he did Not BUY a
wind farm? That a wind farm is Not critical infrastructure? What?

And at the end of the day going forward, I should probably reorient
and reevaluate the calculus of any uniquely possible metric of hope
that I may have on the table of literally getting a straight answer
from you at any point in the passage of time?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

The wind farm you are talking about is NOT considered "critical infrastructure." The objection to that purchase is based on the fact that it is NEAR "critical infrastructure". The whole law is about buying property near "critical infrastructure."
I don't think anyone is worried about Chinese nationals buying our military bases out from under us.

If you ever get your head out of your ass and actually read the written words we might have the basis of a, lol, rational discussion. If you are ready to stop dancing around and state your opinion about whatever it is you think you are talking
about. In this instance, I promise, IF, and this is obviously huge 'if', if we are talking about the same subject, I have a black and white answer and I think it's a good one.

BTW, #45 signed off on that purchase years ago.

TB

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On 5/23/2023 3:06 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:44:31 AM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:46:19 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:43:52 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote: >>>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)  A group of Chinese
citizens living and working in Florida sued the state
Monday over a new law that bans Chinese nationals from
purchasing property in large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16
kilometers) of military installations and other
“critical infrastructure†and also
affects citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia,
and North Korea. But Chinese citizens and those selling
property to them face the harshest penalties. The
prohibition also applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law will have
a substantial chilling effect on sales to Chinese and
Asian people who can legally buy property. The suit says
the law unfairly equates Chinese people with the actions of
their government and there is no evidence of national
security risk from Chinese citizens buying Florida
property.

The law “will codify and expand housing
discrimination against people of Asian descent in violation
of the Constitution and the Fair Housing Act,†>>>>>>> the ACLU said in a news release announcing the suit.
“It will also cast an undue burden of >>>>>>> suspicion on anyone seeking to buy property whose name
sounds remotely Asian, Russian, Iranian, Cuban, Venezuelan,
or Syrian.†"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership of
agricultural land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting foreign
ownership or investments in private agricultural land. So
far this year, restrictive laws also have been enacted in
Arkansas, Idaho, Montana, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become “a >>>>>>> political flashpoint,†said Micah Brown, a staff >>>>>>> attorney for the National Agricultural Law Center at the
University of Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws targeting land
ownership by foreign entities stems from some highly
publicized cases of Chinese-connected companies purchasing
land near military bases. Earlier this year, the U.S. Air
Force said that the Fufeng Group’s planned
$700 million wet corn milling plant near a base in Grand
Forks, North Dakota, poses a “significant
threat to national security.â€

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon bought
a wind farm near an Air Force base in Texas, that state
responded in 2021 by banning infrastructure deals with
individuals tied to hostile governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA >>>>>> infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the article I
posted doesn't say anything about Chinese nationals buying
critical USA infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own stuff?
---------------------------------------- After a Chinese army
veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind farm near an Air
Force base in Texas, that state responded in 2021 by banning
infrastructure deals with individuals tied to hostile
governments, including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you probably don't even
know what critical infrastructure is:
-------------------------------------------------------------------

There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems,

and networks, whether physical or virtual, are considered so
vital to the United States that their incapacitation or
destruction would have a debilitating effect on security,
national economic security, national public health or safety, or
any combination thereof.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

and what

is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion? -- bill Theory don't mean
squat if it don't work.

I don't think Chinese nationals BOUGHT any of that. They might have
bought land near that. Can you tell me what critical infrastructure
Chinese nationals BOUGHT. I will also need your opinion about
this.

I'm mostly interested in facts. You are mostly interested in
opinions. Going forward, if you want to have any hope of getting a
straight answer about my opinions, you will need to start by
stating your opinion.

Are you claiming that the article you posted does Not contain facts?
That the Chinese guy was Not a Chinese national? That he did Not BUY a
wind farm? That a wind farm is Not critical infrastructure? What?

And at the end of the day going forward, I should probably reorient
and reevaluate the calculus of any uniquely possible metric of hope
that I may have on the table of literally getting a straight answer
from you at any point in the passage of time?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

The wind farm you are talking about is NOT considered "critical infrastructure."

Oh yeah. Try telling that to your liberal, tree hugging, woke friends.


The objection to that purchase is based on the fact that it is NEAR
"critical infrastructure". The whole law is about buying property near "critical infrastructure." I don't think anyone is worried about Chinese nationals buying our military bases out from under us.

If you ever get your head out of your ass and actually read the written words we might have the basis of a, lol, rational discussion. If you are ready to stop dancing around and state your opinion about whatever it is you think you are talking

about. In this instance, I promise, IF, and this is obviously huge 'if', if we are talking about the same subject, I have a black and white answer and I think it's a good one.

BTW, #45 signed off on that purchase years ago.

TB

--
(Space holder for future brilliant signature line)

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 1:55:40 PM UTC-7, George Anthony wrote:

On 5/23/2023 3:06 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:44:31 AM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:46:19 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:43:52 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote: >>>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)  A group of Chinese
citizens living and working in Florida sued the state
Monday over a new law that bans Chinese nationals from
purchasing property in large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16
kilometers) of military installations and other
“critical infrastructure†and also
affects citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia,
and North Korea. But Chinese citizens and those selling
property to them face the harshest penalties. The
prohibition also applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law will have
a substantial chilling effect on sales to Chinese and
Asian people who can legally buy property. The suit says
the law unfairly equates Chinese people with the actions of
their government and there is no evidence of national
security risk from Chinese citizens buying Florida
property.

The law “will codify and expand housing
discrimination against people of Asian descent in violation
of the Constitution and the Fair Housing Act,†>>>>>>> the ACLU said in a news release announcing the suit.
“It will also cast an undue burden of
suspicion on anyone seeking to buy property whose name
sounds remotely Asian, Russian, Iranian, Cuban, Venezuelan,
or Syrian.†"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership of
agricultural land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting foreign
ownership or investments in private agricultural land. So
far this year, restrictive laws also have been enacted in
Arkansas, Idaho, Montana, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become “a
political flashpoint,†said Micah Brown, a staff
attorney for the National Agricultural Law Center at the
University of Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws targeting land
ownership by foreign entities stems from some highly
publicized cases of Chinese-connected companies purchasing
land near military bases. Earlier this year, the U.S. Air
Force said that the Fufeng Group’s planned
$700 million wet corn milling plant near a base in Grand
Forks, North Dakota, poses a “significant
threat to national security.â€

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon bought
a wind farm near an Air Force base in Texas, that state
responded in 2021 by banning infrastructure deals with
individuals tied to hostile governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA >>>>>> infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the article I
posted doesn't say anything about Chinese nationals buying
critical USA infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own stuff?
---------------------------------------- After a Chinese army
veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind farm near an Air
Force base in Texas, that state responded in 2021 by banning
infrastructure deals with individuals tied to hostile
governments, including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you probably don't even
know what critical infrastructure is:
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>

There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems,

and networks, whether physical or virtual, are considered so
vital to the United States that their incapacitation or
destruction would have a debilitating effect on security,
national economic security, national public health or safety, or
any combination thereof.
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>

and what

is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion? -- bill Theory don't mean
squat if it don't work.

I don't think Chinese nationals BOUGHT any of that. They might have
bought land near that. Can you tell me what critical infrastructure
Chinese nationals BOUGHT. I will also need your opinion about
this.

I'm mostly interested in facts. You are mostly interested in
opinions. Going forward, if you want to have any hope of getting a
straight answer about my opinions, you will need to start by
stating your opinion.

Are you claiming that the article you posted does Not contain facts?
That the Chinese guy was Not a Chinese national? That he did Not BUY a
wind farm? That a wind farm is Not critical infrastructure? What?

And at the end of the day going forward, I should probably reorient
and reevaluate the calculus of any uniquely possible metric of hope
that I may have on the table of literally getting a straight answer
from you at any point in the passage of time?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

The wind farm you are talking about is NOT considered "critical infrastructure."

Oh yeah. Try telling that to your liberal, tree hugging, woke friends.
The objection to that purchase is based on the fact that it is NEAR "critical infrastructure". The whole law is about buying property near "critical infrastructure." I don't think anyone is worried about Chinese nationals buying our military bases out from under us.

If you ever get your head out of your ass and actually read the written words we might have the basis of a, lol, rational discussion. If you are ready to stop dancing around and state your opinion about whatever it is you think you are talking about.

In this instance, I promise, IF, and this is obviously huge 'if', if we are talking about the same subject, I have a black and white answer and I think it's a good one.

BTW, #45 signed off on that purchase years ago.

TB

--
(Space holder for future brilliant signature line)

ROFLMAO and kicking up my heels. YEEEEEE HAWwwww They say there is one born every minute. How about you sucker? You claim black and responses are easy. What's your opinion about this law?

I feel like I fired a gun full of blanks at the jive ass idiot's feet. I expect him to start dancing. The best I can hope for is a non-answer.

TB

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:44:31 AM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:46:19 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:43:52 PM UTC-7,
bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)
 A group of Chinese
citizens living and working in Florida sued the state
Monday over a new law that bans Chinese nationals from
purchasing property in large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16
kilometers) of military installations and other
“critical
infrastructure†and also affects
citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia, and
North Korea. But Chinese citizens and those selling
property to them face the harshest penalties. The
prohibition also applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law will
have a substantial chilling effect on sales to Chinese
and Asian people who can legally buy property. The suit
says the law unfairly equates Chinese people with the
actions of their government and there is no evidence of
national security risk from Chinese citizens buying
Florida property.

The law “will codify
and expand housing discrimination against people of
Asian descent in violation of the Constitution and the
Fair Housing Act,†the ACLU said
in a news release announcing the suit.
“It will also cast an
undue burden of suspicion on anyone seeking to buy
property whose name sounds remotely Asian, Russian,
Iranian, Cuban, Venezuelan, or
Syrian.†"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership of
agricultural land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting
foreign ownership or investments in private
agricultural land. So far this year, restrictive laws
also have been enacted in Arkansas, Idaho, Montana,
Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become
“a political
flashpoint,†said Micah Brown, a
staff attorney for the National Agricultural Law Center
at the University of Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws targeting
land ownership by foreign entities stems from some
highly publicized cases of Chinese-connected companies
purchasing land near military bases. Earlier this year,
the U.S. Air Force said that the Fufeng
Group’s planned
$700 million wet corn milling plant near a base in
Grand Forks, North Dakota, poses a
“significant threat
to national security.†>>>>>>>
After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon
bought a wind farm near an Air Force base in Texas,
that state responded in 2021 by banning infrastructure
deals with individuals tied to hostile governments,
including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA

infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the article I
posted doesn't say anything about Chinese nationals buying
critical USA infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own stuff?
---------------------------------------- After a Chinese
army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind farm near
an Air Force base in Texas, that state responded in 2021 by
banning infrastructure deals with individuals tied to
hostile governments, including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you probably don't
even know what critical infrastructure is:
-------------------------------------------------------------------

There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems,

and networks, whether physical or virtual, are considered so
vital to the United States that their incapacitation or
destruction would have a debilitating effect on security,
national economic security, national public health or safety,
or any combination thereof.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

and what

is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion? -- bill Theory don't
mean squat if it don't work.

I don't think Chinese nationals BOUGHT any of that. They might
have bought land near that. Can you tell me what critical
infrastructure Chinese nationals BOUGHT. I will also need your
opinion about this.

I'm mostly interested in facts. You are mostly interested in
opinions. Going forward, if you want to have any hope of
getting a straight answer about my opinions, you will need to
start by stating your opinion.

Are you claiming that the article you posted does Not contain
facts? That the Chinese guy was Not a Chinese national? That he
did Not BUY a wind farm? That a wind farm is Not critical
infrastructure? What?

And at the end of the day going forward, I should probably
reorient and reevaluate the calculus of any uniquely possible
metric of hope that I may have on the table of literally getting
a straight answer from you at any point in the passage of time?
-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

The wind farm you are talking about is NOT considered "critical infrastructure."

Bullshit. The energy sector is critical infrastructure, and wind power
is part of the energy structure. ----------------------------------------------------------------
The energy infrastructure is divided into three interrelated segments: electricity, oil, and natural gas. The U.S. electricity segment
contains more than 6,413 power plants (this includes 3,273 traditional electric utilities and 1,738 nonutility power producers) with
approximately 1,075 gigawatts of installed generation. Approximately
48 percent of electricity is produced by combusting coal (primarily transported by rail), 20 percent in nuclear power plants, and 22
percent by combusting natural gas. The remaining generation is
provided by hydroelectric plants (6 percent), oil (1 percent), and
renewable sources (solar, wind, and geothermal) (3 percent). ----------------------------------------------------------------------
How can you even consider that electricity generated by wind is not
critical infrastructure?

The objection to that purchase is based on the
fact that it is NEAR "critical infrastructure". The whole law is
about buying property near "critical infrastructure." I don't think
anyone is worried about Chinese nationals buying our military bases
out from under us.

If you ever get your head out of your ass and actually read the
written words we might have the basis of a, lol, rational
discussion. If you are ready to stop dancing around and state your
opinion about whatever it is you think you are talking about. In
this instance, I promise, IF, and this is obviously huge 'if', if
we are talking about the same subject, I have a black and white
answer and I think it's a good one.

You sound like an "Evidence in plain sight" Schiff clone. He couldn't
follow through. Can you?

BTW, #45 signed off on that purchase years ago.

Do you actually honestly literally Believe most of this bullshabble
that you post? Or is it just another case of you amazing and amusing
yourself, and trying to confirm yourself as the king - or queen, or
whatever - of RORT controversialism?

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:53:17 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:44:31 AM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:46:19 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote: >>>> Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:43:52 PM UTC-7,
bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)
 A group of Chinese
citizens living and working in Florida sued the state
Monday over a new law that bans Chinese nationals from
purchasing property in large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16
kilometers) of military installations and other
“critical
infrastructure†and also affects
citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia, and
North Korea. But Chinese citizens and those selling
property to them face the harshest penalties. The
prohibition also applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law will
have a substantial chilling effect on sales to Chinese
and Asian people who can legally buy property. The suit
says the law unfairly equates Chinese people with the
actions of their government and there is no evidence of
national security risk from Chinese citizens buying
Florida property.

The law “will codify
and expand housing discrimination against people of
Asian descent in violation of the Constitution and the
Fair Housing Act,†the ACLU said
in a news release announcing the suit.
“It will also cast an
undue burden of suspicion on anyone seeking to buy
property whose name sounds remotely Asian, Russian,
Iranian, Cuban, Venezuelan, or
Syrian.†"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership of
agricultural land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting
foreign ownership or investments in private
agricultural land. So far this year, restrictive laws
also have been enacted in Arkansas, Idaho, Montana,
Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become
“a political
flashpoint,†said Micah Brown, a
staff attorney for the National Agricultural Law Center
at the University of Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws targeting
land ownership by foreign entities stems from some
highly publicized cases of Chinese-connected companies
purchasing land near military bases. Earlier this year,
the U.S. Air Force said that the Fufeng
Group’s planned
$700 million wet corn milling plant near a base in
Grand Forks, North Dakota, poses a
“significant threat
to national security.â€

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon
bought a wind farm near an Air Force base in Texas,
that state responded in 2021 by banning infrastructure
deals with individuals tied to hostile governments,
including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA >>>>>> infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the article I
posted doesn't say anything about Chinese nationals buying
critical USA infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own stuff?
---------------------------------------- After a Chinese
army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind farm near
an Air Force base in Texas, that state responded in 2021 by
banning infrastructure deals with individuals tied to
hostile governments, including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you probably don't
even know what critical infrastructure is:
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>

There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems,

and networks, whether physical or virtual, are considered so
vital to the United States that their incapacitation or
destruction would have a debilitating effect on security,
national economic security, national public health or safety,
or any combination thereof.
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>

and what

is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion? -- bill Theory don't
mean squat if it don't work.

I don't think Chinese nationals BOUGHT any of that. They might
have bought land near that. Can you tell me what critical
infrastructure Chinese nationals BOUGHT. I will also need your
opinion about this.

I'm mostly interested in facts. You are mostly interested in
opinions. Going forward, if you want to have any hope of
getting a straight answer about my opinions, you will need to
start by stating your opinion.

Are you claiming that the article you posted does Not contain
facts? That the Chinese guy was Not a Chinese national? That he
did Not BUY a wind farm? That a wind farm is Not critical
infrastructure? What?

And at the end of the day going forward, I should probably
reorient and reevaluate the calculus of any uniquely possible
metric of hope that I may have on the table of literally getting
a straight answer from you at any point in the passage of time?
-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

The wind farm you are talking about is NOT considered "critical infrastructure."

Bullshit. The energy sector is critical infrastructure, and wind power
is part of the energy structure. ----------------------------------------------------------------
The energy infrastructure is divided into three interrelated segments: electricity, oil, and natural gas. The U.S. electricity segment
contains more than 6,413 power plants (this includes 3,273 traditional electric utilities and 1,738 nonutility power producers) with
approximately 1,075 gigawatts of installed generation. Approximately
48 percent of electricity is produced by combusting coal (primarily transported by rail), 20 percent in nuclear power plants, and 22
percent by combusting natural gas. The remaining generation is
provided by hydroelectric plants (6 percent), oil (1 percent), and
renewable sources (solar, wind, and geothermal) (3 percent). ----------------------------------------------------------------------
How can you even consider that electricity generated by wind is not
critical infrastructure?

The objection to that purchase is based on the
fact that it is NEAR "critical infrastructure". The whole law is
about buying property near "critical infrastructure." I don't think
anyone is worried about Chinese nationals buying our military bases
out from under us.

If you ever get your head out of your ass and actually read the
written words we might have the basis of a, lol, rational
discussion. If you are ready to stop dancing around and state your
opinion about whatever it is you think you are talking about. In
this instance, I promise, IF, and this is obviously huge 'if', if
we are talking about the same subject, I have a black and white
answer and I think it's a good one.

You sound like an "Evidence in plain sight" Schiff clone. He couldn't
follow through. Can you?

BTW, #45 signed off on that purchase years ago.

Do you actually honestly literally Believe most of this bullshabble
that you post? Or is it just another case of you amazing and amusing yourself, and trying to confirm yourself as the king - or queen, or
whatever - of RORT controversialism?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I seriously think you must be losing your mind. The law I posted about is about property near critical infrastructure.

"The law (SB 264) prohibits Chinese citizens from buying farmland or any property within 10 miles of a military installation or “critical infrastructure,” such as a seaport or airport."

Maybe, if I dug deeper I might find something about the actual ownership of "critical infrastructure" in that law, but so far I haven't seen it, and you are the only one talking about it.

So ok, lets consider YOUR subject, You are still dancing. If you want an opinion you have to start with one. I have a clear opinion about YOUR subject. Your subject is so ridiculous i don't think I need one, but oh well. If you want to play you
need to put something in the pot.

Since you have gone freelance and insist on your own definition of "critical infrastructure" you will need to define what YOU are talking about. Even if I lived next door to that guy I don't think I would be bothered if he turned off his wind farm.
What's he going to do? Turn up the power and fry everything within a 100 mile radius? Where do we draw the line? Should Chinese nationals be prohibited from buying a single wind generator? What about solar panels? How many can they own?

I'm feeling complimented by the "artful dodger" label. You guys are dodgers, but you sure ain't artful.

TB

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:53:17 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:44:31 AM UTC-7, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:46:19 PM UTC-7,
bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at
7:43:52 PM UTC-7, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)
â€â€
A group of Chinese citizens living and working in
Florida sued the state Monday over a new law that
bans Chinese nationals from purchasing property in
large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16
kilometers) of military installations and other
“critical

infrastructure†and

also affects

citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia,
and North Korea. But Chinese citizens and those
selling property to them face the harshest
penalties. The prohibition also applies to
agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law
will have a substantial chilling effect on sales to
Chinese and Asian people who can legally buy
property. The suit says the law unfairly equates
Chinese people with the actions of their government
and there is no evidence of national security risk
from Chinese citizens buying Florida property.

The law
“will
codify and expand housing discrimination against
people of Asian descent in violation of the
Constitution and the Fair Housing
Act,â€
the ACLU said in a news release announcing the
suit.
“It
will also cast an undue burden of suspicion on
anyone seeking to buy property whose name sounds
remotely Asian, Russian, Iranian, Cuban,
Venezuelan, or
Syrian.â€
"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership
of agricultural land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting
foreign ownership or investments in private
agricultural land. So far this year, restrictive
laws also have been enacted in Arkansas, Idaho,
Montana, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become
“a
political
flashpoint,â€
said Micah Brown, a staff attorney for the National
Agricultural Law Center at the University of
Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws
targeting land ownership by foreign entities stems
from some highly publicized cases of
Chinese-connected companies purchasing land near
military bases. Earlier this year, the U.S. Air
Force said that the Fufeng
Group’s
planned $700 million wet corn milling plant near a
base in Grand Forks, North Dakota, poses a
“significant
threat to national
security.â€

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon

bought a wind farm near an Air Force base in
Texas, that state responded in 2021 by banning
infrastructure deals with individuals tied to
hostile governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA

infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the
article I posted doesn't say anything about Chinese
nationals buying critical USA infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own stuff?
---------------------------------------- After a Chinese
army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind farm
near an Air Force base in Texas, that state responded in
2021 by banning infrastructure deals with individuals
tied to hostile governments, including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you probably
don't even know what critical infrastructure is:
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>

There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems,

and networks, whether physical or virtual, are considered
so vital to the United States that their incapacitation
or destruction would have a debilitating effect on
security, national economic security, national public
health or safety, or any combination thereof.
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>

and what

is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion? -- bill Theory
don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't think Chinese nationals BOUGHT any of that. They
might have bought land near that. Can you tell me what
critical infrastructure Chinese nationals BOUGHT. I will
also need your opinion about this.

I'm mostly interested in facts. You are mostly interested
in opinions. Going forward, if you want to have any hope
of getting a straight answer about my opinions, you will
need to start by stating your opinion.

Are you claiming that the article you posted does Not
contain facts? That the Chinese guy was Not a Chinese
national? That he did Not BUY a wind farm? That a wind farm
is Not critical infrastructure? What?

And at the end of the day going forward, I should probably
reorient and reevaluate the calculus of any uniquely
possible metric of hope that I may have on the table of
literally getting a straight answer from you at any point in
the passage of time? -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it
don't work.

The wind farm you are talking about is NOT considered
"critical infrastructure."

Bullshit. The energy sector is critical infrastructure, and wind
power is part of the energy structure.
----------------------------------------------------------------
The energy infrastructure is divided into three interrelated
segments: electricity, oil, and natural gas. The U.S. electricity
segment contains more than 6,413 power plants (this includes
3,273 traditional electric utilities and 1,738 nonutility power
producers) with approximately 1,075 gigawatts of installed
generation. Approximately 48 percent of electricity is produced
by combusting coal (primarily transported by rail), 20 percent in
nuclear power plants, and 22 percent by combusting natural gas.
The remaining generation is provided by hydroelectric plants (6
percent), oil (1 percent), and renewable sources (solar, wind,
and geothermal) (3 percent).
----------------------------------------------------------------------

How can you even consider that electricity generated by wind is not

critical infrastructure?

The objection to that purchase is based on the fact that it is
NEAR "critical infrastructure". The whole law is about buying
property near "critical infrastructure." I don't think anyone
is worried about Chinese nationals buying our military bases
out from under us.

If you ever get your head out of your ass and actually read
the written words we might have the basis of a, lol, rational
discussion. If you are ready to stop dancing around and state
your opinion about whatever it is you think you are talking
about. In this instance, I promise, IF, and this is obviously
huge 'if', if we are talking about the same subject, I have a
black and white answer and I think it's a good one.

You sound like an "Evidence in plain sight" Schiff clone. He
couldn't follow through. Can you?

BTW, #45 signed off on that purchase years ago.

Do you actually honestly literally Believe most of this
bullshabble that you post? Or is it just another case of you
amazing and amusing yourself, and trying to confirm yourself as
the king - or queen, or whatever - of RORT controversialism? --
bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I seriously think you must be losing your mind. The law I posted
about is about property near critical infrastructure.

"The law (SB 264) prohibits Chinese citizens from buying farmland
or any property within 10 miles of a military installation or
“critical infrastructure,” such as a seaport or airport."

Maybe, if I dug deeper I might find something about the actual
ownership of "critical infrastructure" in that law, but so far I
haven't seen it, and you are the only one talking about it.

So ok, lets consider YOUR subject, You are still dancing. If you
want an opinion you have to start with one. I have a clear opinion
about YOUR subject. Your subject is so ridiculous i don't think I
need one, but oh well. If you want to play you need to put
something in the pot.

Since you have gone freelance and insist on your own definition of
"critical infrastructure" you will need to define what YOU are
talking about.

You just think - erroneously - that I've gone freelance. It's not 'my' definition. https://www.cisa.gov/topics/critical-infrastructure-security-and-resilience/critical-infrastructure-sectors

Even if I lived next door to that guy I don't think
I would be bothered if he turned off his wind farm. What's he going
to do? Turn up the power and fry everything within a 100 mile
radius? Where do we draw the line? Should Chinese nationals be
prohibited from buying a single wind generator? What about solar
panels? How many can they own?

From my POV, they can't own any of those things if they're part of
our "critical infrastructure".

I'm feeling complimented by the "artful dodger" label. You guys are
dodgers, but you sure ain't artful.

Do you really think that any foreign national of a country that's
hostile to our interests should be able to own any part of of our
"critical infrastructure"?

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On 5/23/2023 4:51 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 1:55:40 PM UTC-7, George Anthony wrote:

On 5/23/2023 3:06 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:44:31 AM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:46:19 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:43:52 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote: >>>>>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)  A group of Chinese
citizens living and working in Florida sued the state
Monday over a new law that bans Chinese nationals from
purchasing property in large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16
kilometers) of military installations and other
“critical infrastructure†and also
affects citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia,
and North Korea. But Chinese citizens and those selling
property to them face the harshest penalties. The
prohibition also applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law will have
a substantial chilling effect on sales to Chinese and
Asian people who can legally buy property. The suit says
the law unfairly equates Chinese people with the actions of
their government and there is no evidence of national
security risk from Chinese citizens buying Florida
property.

The law “will codify and expand housing
discrimination against people of Asian descent in violation
of the Constitution and the Fair Housing Act,†>>>>>>>>> the ACLU said in a news release announcing the suit.
“It will also cast an undue burden of
suspicion on anyone seeking to buy property whose name
sounds remotely Asian, Russian, Iranian, Cuban, Venezuelan,
or Syrian.†"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership of
agricultural land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting foreign
ownership or investments in private agricultural land. So
far this year, restrictive laws also have been enacted in
Arkansas, Idaho, Montana, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become “a
political flashpoint,†said Micah Brown, a staff
attorney for the National Agricultural Law Center at the
University of Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws targeting land
ownership by foreign entities stems from some highly
publicized cases of Chinese-connected companies purchasing
land near military bases. Earlier this year, the U.S. Air
Force said that the Fufeng Group’s planned
$700 million wet corn milling plant near a base in Grand
Forks, North Dakota, poses a “significant
threat to national security.â€

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon bought
a wind farm near an Air Force base in Texas, that state
responded in 2021 by banning infrastructure deals with
individuals tied to hostile governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA >>>>>>>> infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the article I
posted doesn't say anything about Chinese nationals buying
critical USA infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own stuff?
---------------------------------------- After a Chinese army
veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind farm near an Air
Force base in Texas, that state responded in 2021 by banning
infrastructure deals with individuals tied to hostile
governments, including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you probably don't even
know what critical infrastructure is:
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>

There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems,

and networks, whether physical or virtual, are considered so
vital to the United States that their incapacitation or
destruction would have a debilitating effect on security,
national economic security, national public health or safety, or
any combination thereof.
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>

and what

is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion? -- bill Theory don't mean
squat if it don't work.

I don't think Chinese nationals BOUGHT any of that. They might have
bought land near that. Can you tell me what critical infrastructure
Chinese nationals BOUGHT. I will also need your opinion about
this.

I'm mostly interested in facts. You are mostly interested in
opinions. Going forward, if you want to have any hope of getting a
straight answer about my opinions, you will need to start by
stating your opinion.

Are you claiming that the article you posted does Not contain facts?
That the Chinese guy was Not a Chinese national? That he did Not BUY a >>>> wind farm? That a wind farm is Not critical infrastructure? What?

And at the end of the day going forward, I should probably reorient
and reevaluate the calculus of any uniquely possible metric of hope
that I may have on the table of literally getting a straight answer
from you at any point in the passage of time?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

The wind farm you are talking about is NOT considered "critical infrastructure."

Oh yeah. Try telling that to your liberal, tree hugging, woke friends.
The objection to that purchase is based on the fact that it is NEAR
"critical infrastructure". The whole law is about buying property near
"critical infrastructure." I don't think anyone is worried about Chinese
nationals buying our military bases out from under us.

If you ever get your head out of your ass and actually read the written words we might have the basis of a, lol, rational discussion. If you are ready to stop dancing around and state your opinion about whatever it is you think you are talking about.

In this instance, I promise, IF, and this is obviously huge 'if', if we are talking about the same subject, I have a black and white answer and I think it's a good one.

BTW, #45 signed off on that purchase years ago.

TB

--
(Space holder for future brilliant signature line)

ROFLMAO and kicking up my heels. YEEEEEE HAWwwww They say there is one born every minute. How about you sucker? You claim black and responses are easy. What's your opinion about this law?

I feel like I fired a gun full of blanks at the jive ass idiot's feet. I expect him to start dancing. The best I can hope for is a non-answer.

TB

I might be for it. I might be against it. I would have to study it
thoroughly and then sleep on it for a few days. After that, I would
reread it and see if I have the same middle of the road opinion of it.
After that, I would think it over for a few more days.

Get back to me when hell freezes over and you do manage to get your head
out of your pasty white honky ass. By then I may have made a decision.
--
(Space holder for future brilliant signature line)

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On 5/23/2023 7:14 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:53:17 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:44:31 AM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:46:19 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote: >>>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:43:52 PM UTC-7,
bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)
 A group of Chinese
citizens living and working in Florida sued the state
Monday over a new law that bans Chinese nationals from
purchasing property in large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16
kilometers) of military installations and other
“critical
infrastructure†and also affects
citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia, and
North Korea. But Chinese citizens and those selling
property to them face the harshest penalties. The
prohibition also applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law will
have a substantial chilling effect on sales to Chinese
and Asian people who can legally buy property. The suit
says the law unfairly equates Chinese people with the
actions of their government and there is no evidence of
national security risk from Chinese citizens buying
Florida property.

The law “will codify
and expand housing discrimination against people of
Asian descent in violation of the Constitution and the
Fair Housing Act,†the ACLU said
in a news release announcing the suit.
“It will also cast an
undue burden of suspicion on anyone seeking to buy
property whose name sounds remotely Asian, Russian,
Iranian, Cuban, Venezuelan, or
Syrian.†"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership of
agricultural land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting
foreign ownership or investments in private
agricultural land. So far this year, restrictive laws
also have been enacted in Arkansas, Idaho, Montana,
Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become
“a political
flashpoint,†said Micah Brown, a
staff attorney for the National Agricultural Law Center
at the University of Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws targeting
land ownership by foreign entities stems from some
highly publicized cases of Chinese-connected companies
purchasing land near military bases. Earlier this year,
the U.S. Air Force said that the Fufeng
Group’s planned
$700 million wet corn milling plant near a base in
Grand Forks, North Dakota, poses a
“significant threat
to national security.â€

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon
bought a wind farm near an Air Force base in Texas,
that state responded in 2021 by banning infrastructure
deals with individuals tied to hostile governments,
including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA >>>>>>>> infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the article I
posted doesn't say anything about Chinese nationals buying
critical USA infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own stuff?
---------------------------------------- After a Chinese
army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind farm near
an Air Force base in Texas, that state responded in 2021 by
banning infrastructure deals with individuals tied to
hostile governments, including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you probably don't
even know what critical infrastructure is:
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>

There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems,

and networks, whether physical or virtual, are considered so
vital to the United States that their incapacitation or
destruction would have a debilitating effect on security,
national economic security, national public health or safety,
or any combination thereof.
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>

and what

is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion? -- bill Theory don't
mean squat if it don't work.

I don't think Chinese nationals BOUGHT any of that. They might
have bought land near that. Can you tell me what critical
infrastructure Chinese nationals BOUGHT. I will also need your
opinion about this.

I'm mostly interested in facts. You are mostly interested in
opinions. Going forward, if you want to have any hope of
getting a straight answer about my opinions, you will need to
start by stating your opinion.

Are you claiming that the article you posted does Not contain
facts? That the Chinese guy was Not a Chinese national? That he
did Not BUY a wind farm? That a wind farm is Not critical
infrastructure? What?

And at the end of the day going forward, I should probably
reorient and reevaluate the calculus of any uniquely possible
metric of hope that I may have on the table of literally getting
a straight answer from you at any point in the passage of time?
-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

The wind farm you are talking about is NOT considered "critical
infrastructure."

Bullshit. The energy sector is critical infrastructure, and wind power
is part of the energy structure.
----------------------------------------------------------------
The energy infrastructure is divided into three interrelated segments:
electricity, oil, and natural gas. The U.S. electricity segment
contains more than 6,413 power plants (this includes 3,273 traditional
electric utilities and 1,738 nonutility power producers) with
approximately 1,075 gigawatts of installed generation. Approximately
48 percent of electricity is produced by combusting coal (primarily
transported by rail), 20 percent in nuclear power plants, and 22
percent by combusting natural gas. The remaining generation is
provided by hydroelectric plants (6 percent), oil (1 percent), and
renewable sources (solar, wind, and geothermal) (3 percent).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How can you even consider that electricity generated by wind is not
critical infrastructure?

The objection to that purchase is based on the
fact that it is NEAR "critical infrastructure". The whole law is
about buying property near "critical infrastructure." I don't think
anyone is worried about Chinese nationals buying our military bases
out from under us.

If you ever get your head out of your ass and actually read the
written words we might have the basis of a, lol, rational
discussion. If you are ready to stop dancing around and state your
opinion about whatever it is you think you are talking about. In
this instance, I promise, IF, and this is obviously huge 'if', if
we are talking about the same subject, I have a black and white
answer and I think it's a good one.

You sound like an "Evidence in plain sight" Schiff clone. He couldn't
follow through. Can you?

BTW, #45 signed off on that purchase years ago.

Do you actually honestly literally Believe most of this bullshabble
that you post? Or is it just another case of you amazing and amusing
yourself, and trying to confirm yourself as the king - or queen, or
whatever - of RORT controversialism?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I seriously think you must be losing your mind. The law I posted about is about property near critical infrastructure.

"The law (SB 264) prohibits Chinese citizens from buying farmland or any property within 10 miles of a military installation or “critical infrastructure,” such as a seaport or airport."

Maybe, if I dug deeper I might find something about the actual ownership of "critical infrastructure" in that law, but so far I haven't seen it, and you are the only one talking about it.

So ok, lets consider YOUR subject, You are still dancing. If you want an opinion you have to start with one. I have a clear opinion about YOUR subject. Your subject is so ridiculous i don't think I need one, but oh well. If you want to play you

need to put something in the pot.

Since you have gone freelance and insist on your own definition of "critical infrastructure" you will need to define what YOU are talking about. Even if I lived next door to that guy I don't think I would be bothered if he turned off his wind

farm. What's he going to do? Turn up the power and fry everything within a 100 mile radius? Where do we draw the line? Should Chinese nationals be prohibited from buying a single wind generator? What about solar panels? How many can they own?

I'm feeling complimented by the "artful dodger" label. You guys are dodgers, but you sure ain't artful.

TB

I always knew you are a fool but you continue to prove and expand it
with every post.
--
(Space holder for future brilliant signature line)

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On 5/23/2023 9:31 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 6:47:09 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:53:17 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:44:31 AM UTC-7, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:46:19 PM UTC-7,
bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at
7:43:52 PM UTC-7, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)
â€â€
A group of Chinese citizens living and working in
Florida sued the state Monday over a new law that
bans Chinese nationals from purchasing property in
large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16
kilometers) of military installations and other
“critical

infrastructure†and
also affects

citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia,
and North Korea. But Chinese citizens and those
selling property to them face the harshest
penalties. The prohibition also applies to
agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law
will have a substantial chilling effect on sales to
Chinese and Asian people who can legally buy
property. The suit says the law unfairly equates
Chinese people with the actions of their government
and there is no evidence of national security risk
from Chinese citizens buying Florida property.

The law
“will
codify and expand housing discrimination against
people of Asian descent in violation of the
Constitution and the Fair Housing
Act,â€
the ACLU said in a news release announcing the
suit.
“It
will also cast an undue burden of suspicion on
anyone seeking to buy property whose name sounds
remotely Asian, Russian, Iranian, Cuban,
Venezuelan, or
Syrian.â€
"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership
of agricultural land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting
foreign ownership or investments in private
agricultural land. So far this year, restrictive
laws also have been enacted in Arkansas, Idaho,
Montana, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become
“a
political
flashpoint,â€
said Micah Brown, a staff attorney for the National
Agricultural Law Center at the University of
Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws
targeting land ownership by foreign entities stems
from some highly publicized cases of
Chinese-connected companies purchasing land near
military bases. Earlier this year, the U.S. Air
Force said that the Fufeng
Group’s
planned $700 million wet corn milling plant near a
base in Grand Forks, North Dakota, poses a
“significant
threat to national
security.â€

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon

bought a wind farm near an Air Force base in
Texas, that state responded in 2021 by banning
infrastructure deals with individuals tied to
hostile governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA >>>>>>>>>> infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the
article I posted doesn't say anything about Chinese
nationals buying critical USA infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own stuff?
---------------------------------------- After a Chinese
army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind farm
near an Air Force base in Texas, that state responded in
2021 by banning infrastructure deals with individuals
tied to hostile governments, including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you probably
don't even know what critical infrastructure is:
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>

There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems,

and networks, whether physical or virtual, are considered
so vital to the United States that their incapacitation
or destruction would have a debilitating effect on
security, national economic security, national public
health or safety, or any combination thereof.
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>

and what

is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion? -- bill Theory
don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't think Chinese nationals BOUGHT any of that. They
might have bought land near that. Can you tell me what
critical infrastructure Chinese nationals BOUGHT. I will
also need your opinion about this.

I'm mostly interested in facts. You are mostly interested
in opinions. Going forward, if you want to have any hope
of getting a straight answer about my opinions, you will
need to start by stating your opinion.

Are you claiming that the article you posted does Not
contain facts? That the Chinese guy was Not a Chinese
national? That he did Not BUY a wind farm? That a wind farm
is Not critical infrastructure? What?

And at the end of the day going forward, I should probably
reorient and reevaluate the calculus of any uniquely
possible metric of hope that I may have on the table of
literally getting a straight answer from you at any point in
the passage of time? -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it
don't work.

The wind farm you are talking about is NOT considered
"critical infrastructure."

Bullshit. The energy sector is critical infrastructure, and wind
power is part of the energy structure.
----------------------------------------------------------------
The energy infrastructure is divided into three interrelated
segments: electricity, oil, and natural gas. The U.S. electricity
segment contains more than 6,413 power plants (this includes
3,273 traditional electric utilities and 1,738 nonutility power
producers) with approximately 1,075 gigawatts of installed
generation. Approximately 48 percent of electricity is produced
by combusting coal (primarily transported by rail), 20 percent in
nuclear power plants, and 22 percent by combusting natural gas.
The remaining generation is provided by hydroelectric plants (6
percent), oil (1 percent), and renewable sources (solar, wind,
and geothermal) (3 percent).
---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>

How can you even consider that electricity generated by wind is not

critical infrastructure?

The objection to that purchase is based on the fact that it is
NEAR "critical infrastructure". The whole law is about buying
property near "critical infrastructure." I don't think anyone
is worried about Chinese nationals buying our military bases
out from under us.

If you ever get your head out of your ass and actually read
the written words we might have the basis of a, lol, rational
discussion. If you are ready to stop dancing around and state
your opinion about whatever it is you think you are talking
about. In this instance, I promise, IF, and this is obviously
huge 'if', if we are talking about the same subject, I have a
black and white answer and I think it's a good one.

You sound like an "Evidence in plain sight" Schiff clone. He
couldn't follow through. Can you?

BTW, #45 signed off on that purchase years ago.

Do you actually honestly literally Believe most of this
bullshabble that you post? Or is it just another case of you
amazing and amusing yourself, and trying to confirm yourself as
the king - or queen, or whatever - of RORT controversialism? --
bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I seriously think you must be losing your mind. The law I posted
about is about property near critical infrastructure.

"The law (SB 264) prohibits Chinese citizens from buying farmland
or any property within 10 miles of a military installation or
“critical infrastructure,†such as a seaport or airport."

Maybe, if I dug deeper I might find something about the actual
ownership of "critical infrastructure" in that law, but so far I
haven't seen it, and you are the only one talking about it.

So ok, lets consider YOUR subject, You are still dancing. If you
want an opinion you have to start with one. I have a clear opinion
about YOUR subject. Your subject is so ridiculous i don't think I
need one, but oh well. If you want to play you need to put
something in the pot.

Since you have gone freelance and insist on your own definition of
"critical infrastructure" you will need to define what YOU are
talking about.

You just think - erroneously - that I've gone freelance. It's not 'my'
definition.
https://www.cisa.gov/topics/critical-infrastructure-security-and-resilience/critical-infrastructure-sectors

Even if I lived next door to that guy I don't think
I would be bothered if he turned off his wind farm. What's he going
to do? Turn up the power and fry everything within a 100 mile
radius? Where do we draw the line? Should Chinese nationals be
prohibited from buying a single wind generator? What about solar
panels? How many can they own?

From my POV, they can't own any of those things if they're part of
our "critical infrastructure".

I'm feeling complimented by the "artful dodger" label. You guys are
dodgers, but you sure ain't artful.

Do you really think that any foreign national of a country that's
hostile to our interests should be able to own any part of of our
"critical infrastructure"?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

So, we're at war with China, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia, and North Korea? Anyone who was born in those countries is automatically our enemy?

Obviously, it is not the average citizen of any of the countries you
mentioned that are the problem. It is the people running their
governments. For the most part, they don't follow the same rules as the
rest of the civilized world. All they care about is their own survival,
and gaining power and leverage.


---snipped BS---

I probably should mention that Portland is a port city. Around here China is an important trading partner.

Every part of our economy is part of the problem with China. Prtland is
not special in trading with Chy-Na. Since they joined the WTO in 2001,
they have never followed the rules, even with the special status they
get. We have funded the building of their economy. They hate us. And
yes, we both need each other. Fortunately for them, the piece of crap
your side put in the oval office is doing their work for them now. They
are winning the war without firing a shot.

The biggest problem with any investments originating from China, is that
it is always tied to the military. Everything in the CCP is the same as military. If you can't see the problem with allowing their military to
gain further inroads onto our soil, you're beyond help.

The only thing one can hope for is that one day their people realize how
many of them there actually are and organize against the communist
party. It would be very bloody, and they won't give up power easily.
Nor would it be easy for the rest of the world trying to feed and
satisfy the needs of all those people. But don't kid yourself. The
only thing the Communist Chinese Party wants is total world domination.
Period!

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 6:47:09 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:53:17 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:44:31 AM UTC-7, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:46:19 PM UTC-7,
bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at
7:43:52 PM UTC-7, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)
â€â€
A group of Chinese citizens living and working in
Florida sued the state Monday over a new law that
bans Chinese nationals from purchasing property in
large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles (16
kilometers) of military installations and other
“critical

infrastructure†and

also affects

citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia,
and North Korea. But Chinese citizens and those
selling property to them face the harshest
penalties. The prohibition also applies to
agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the law
will have a substantial chilling effect on sales to
Chinese and Asian people who can legally buy
property. The suit says the law unfairly equates
Chinese people with the actions of their government
and there is no evidence of national security risk
from Chinese citizens buying Florida property.

The law
“will
codify and expand housing discrimination against
people of Asian descent in violation of the
Constitution and the Fair Housing
Act,â€
the ACLU said in a news release announcing the
suit.
“It
will also cast an undue burden of suspicion on
anyone seeking to buy property whose name sounds
remotely Asian, Russian, Iranian, Cuban,
Venezuelan, or
Syrian.â€
"

"The number of states restricting foreign ownership
of agricultural land has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws restricting
foreign ownership or investments in private
agricultural land. So far this year, restrictive
laws also have been enacted in Arkansas, Idaho,
Montana, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become
“a
political
flashpoint,â€
said Micah Brown, a staff attorney for the National
Agricultural Law Center at the University of
Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws
targeting land ownership by foreign entities stems
from some highly publicized cases of
Chinese-connected companies purchasing land near
military bases. Earlier this year, the U.S. Air
Force said that the Fufeng
Group’s
planned $700 million wet corn milling plant near a
base in Grand Forks, North Dakota, poses a
“significant
threat to national
security.â€

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon

bought a wind farm near an Air Force base in
Texas, that state responded in 2021 by banning
infrastructure deals with individuals tied to
hostile governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA >>>>>>>> infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the
article I posted doesn't say anything about Chinese
nationals buying critical USA infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own stuff?
---------------------------------------- After a Chinese
army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a wind farm
near an Air Force base in Texas, that state responded in
2021 by banning infrastructure deals with individuals
tied to hostile governments, including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you probably
don't even know what critical infrastructure is:
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>

There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems,

and networks, whether physical or virtual, are considered
so vital to the United States that their incapacitation
or destruction would have a debilitating effect on
security, national economic security, national public
health or safety, or any combination thereof.
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>

and what

is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion? -- bill Theory
don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't think Chinese nationals BOUGHT any of that. They
might have bought land near that. Can you tell me what
critical infrastructure Chinese nationals BOUGHT. I will
also need your opinion about this.

I'm mostly interested in facts. You are mostly interested
in opinions. Going forward, if you want to have any hope
of getting a straight answer about my opinions, you will
need to start by stating your opinion.

Are you claiming that the article you posted does Not
contain facts? That the Chinese guy was Not a Chinese
national? That he did Not BUY a wind farm? That a wind farm
is Not critical infrastructure? What?

And at the end of the day going forward, I should probably
reorient and reevaluate the calculus of any uniquely
possible metric of hope that I may have on the table of
literally getting a straight answer from you at any point in
the passage of time? -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it
don't work.

The wind farm you are talking about is NOT considered
"critical infrastructure."

Bullshit. The energy sector is critical infrastructure, and wind
power is part of the energy structure.
----------------------------------------------------------------
The energy infrastructure is divided into three interrelated
segments: electricity, oil, and natural gas. The U.S. electricity
segment contains more than 6,413 power plants (this includes
3,273 traditional electric utilities and 1,738 nonutility power
producers) with approximately 1,075 gigawatts of installed
generation. Approximately 48 percent of electricity is produced
by combusting coal (primarily transported by rail), 20 percent in
nuclear power plants, and 22 percent by combusting natural gas.
The remaining generation is provided by hydroelectric plants (6
percent), oil (1 percent), and renewable sources (solar, wind,
and geothermal) (3 percent).
----------------------------------------------------------------------

How can you even consider that electricity generated by wind is not

critical infrastructure?

The objection to that purchase is based on the fact that it is
NEAR "critical infrastructure". The whole law is about buying
property near "critical infrastructure." I don't think anyone
is worried about Chinese nationals buying our military bases
out from under us.

If you ever get your head out of your ass and actually read
the written words we might have the basis of a, lol, rational
discussion. If you are ready to stop dancing around and state
your opinion about whatever it is you think you are talking
about. In this instance, I promise, IF, and this is obviously
huge 'if', if we are talking about the same subject, I have a
black and white answer and I think it's a good one.

You sound like an "Evidence in plain sight" Schiff clone. He
couldn't follow through. Can you?

BTW, #45 signed off on that purchase years ago.

Do you actually honestly literally Believe most of this
bullshabble that you post? Or is it just another case of you
amazing and amusing yourself, and trying to confirm yourself as
the king - or queen, or whatever - of RORT controversialism? --
bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I seriously think you must be losing your mind. The law I posted
about is about property near critical infrastructure.

"The law (SB 264) prohibits Chinese citizens from buying farmland
or any property within 10 miles of a military installation or “critical infrastructure,†such as a seaport or airport."

Maybe, if I dug deeper I might find something about the actual
ownership of "critical infrastructure" in that law, but so far I
haven't seen it, and you are the only one talking about it.

So ok, lets consider YOUR subject, You are still dancing. If you
want an opinion you have to start with one. I have a clear opinion
about YOUR subject. Your subject is so ridiculous i don't think I
need one, but oh well. If you want to play you need to put
something in the pot.

Since you have gone freelance and insist on your own definition of "critical infrastructure" you will need to define what YOU are
talking about.

You just think - erroneously - that I've gone freelance. It's not 'my' definition. https://www.cisa.gov/topics/critical-infrastructure-security-and-resilience/critical-infrastructure-sectors

Even if I lived next door to that guy I don't think
I would be bothered if he turned off his wind farm. What's he going
to do? Turn up the power and fry everything within a 100 mile
radius? Where do we draw the line? Should Chinese nationals be
prohibited from buying a single wind generator? What about solar
panels? How many can they own?

From my POV, they can't own any of those things if they're part of
our "critical infrastructure".

I'm feeling complimented by the "artful dodger" label. You guys are dodgers, but you sure ain't artful.

Do you really think that any foreign national of a country that's
hostile to our interests should be able to own any part of of our
"critical infrastructure"?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

So, we're at war with China, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia, and North Korea? Anyone who was born in those countries is automatically our enemy? It's important that those people can't own agricultural land within 10 miles of a sewage plant?
That is listed as critical infrastructure and this bill is very concerned with agricultural land. Hey this is important stuff. What happens if the Cubans jam up the toilets in Florida?

I probably should mention that Portland is a port city. Around here China is an important trading partner.

TB

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 6:47:09 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:53:17 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:44:31 AM >>>>> UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at
11:46:19 PM UTC-7, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at
7:43:52 PM
UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) ÃÃâ€
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A group of Chinese citizens living and working in

Florida sued the state Monday over a new law
that bans Chinese nationals from purchasing
property in large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles
(16 kilometers) of military installations and
other ÃÃâ€
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�¢â‚¬Â¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…“critical

infrastructureâ€
and

also affects

citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran,
Russia, and North Korea. But Chinese citizens
and those selling property to them face the
harshest penalties. The prohibition also
applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the
law will have a substantial chilling effect on
sales to Chinese and Asian people who can
legally buy property. The suit says the law
unfairly equates Chinese people with the
actions of their government and there is no
evidence of national security risk from Chinese
citizens buying Florida property.

The law ÃÃâ€
’¢â‚¬Ã�

�¢â‚¬Â¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…“will

codify and expand housing discrimination against

people of Asian descent in violation of the
Constitution and the Fair Housing
Act,ÃÃâ€
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the ACLU said in a news release announcing the

suit. ÃÃâ€
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�¢â‚¬Â¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…“It

will also cast an undue burden of suspicion on

anyone seeking to buy property whose name
sounds remotely Asian, Russian, Iranian,
Cuban, Venezuelan, or Syrian.ÃÆ>>>>>>>>>>> ’¢â‚¬

"

"The number of states restricting foreign
ownership of agricultural land has risen by 50%
this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws
restricting foreign ownership or investments in
private agricultural land. So far this year,
restrictive laws also have been enacted in
Arkansas, Idaho, Montana, Tennessee, Utah and
Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become ÃÆ>>>>>>>>>>> ’¢â‚¬Ã�

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political

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said Micah Brown, a staff attorney for the National

Agricultural Law Center at the University of
Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws
targeting land ownership by foreign entities
stems from some highly publicized cases of
Chinese-connected companies purchasing land
near military bases. Earlier this year, the
U.S. Air Force said that the Fufeng
GroupÃÃâ€
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planned $700 million wet corn milling plant near a

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threat to national

security.ÃÃâ€
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After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon

bought a wind farm near an Air Force base in
Texas, that state responded in 2021 by banning
infrastructure deals with individuals tied to
hostile governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA >>>>>>>>>> infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't
work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the
article I posted doesn't say anything about
Chinese nationals buying critical USA
infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own stuff?
---------------------------------------- After a
Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a
wind farm near an Air Force base in Texas, that state
responded in 2021 by banning infrastructure deals
with individuals tied to hostile governments,
including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you
probably don't even know what critical infrastructure
is:
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>

There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems,

and networks, whether physical or virtual, are
considered so vital to the United States that their
incapacitation or destruction would have a
debilitating effect on security, national economic
security, national public health or safety, or any
combination thereof.
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>

and what

is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion? -- bill Theory
don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't think Chinese nationals BOUGHT any of that.
They might have bought land near that. Can you tell me
what critical infrastructure Chinese nationals BOUGHT.
I will also need your opinion about this.

I'm mostly interested in facts. You are mostly
interested in opinions. Going forward, if you want to
have any hope of getting a straight answer about my
opinions, you will need to start by stating your
opinion.

Are you claiming that the article you posted does Not
contain facts? That the Chinese guy was Not a Chinese
national? That he did Not BUY a wind farm? That a wind
farm is Not critical infrastructure? What?

And at the end of the day going forward, I should
probably reorient and reevaluate the calculus of any
uniquely possible metric of hope that I may have on the
table of literally getting a straight answer from you at
any point in the passage of time? -- bill Theory don't
mean squat if it don't work.

The wind farm you are talking about is NOT considered
"critical infrastructure."

Bullshit. The energy sector is critical infrastructure, and
wind power is part of the energy structure.
----------------------------------------------------------------

The energy infrastructure is divided into three interrelated

segments: electricity, oil, and natural gas. The U.S.
electricity segment contains more than 6,413 power plants
(this includes 3,273 traditional electric utilities and 1,738
nonutility power producers) with approximately 1,075
gigawatts of installed generation. Approximately 48 percent
of electricity is produced by combusting coal (primarily
transported by rail), 20 percent in nuclear power plants, and
22 percent by combusting natural gas. The remaining
generation is provided by hydroelectric plants (6 percent),
oil (1 percent), and renewable sources (solar, wind, and
geothermal) (3 percent).
---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>

How can you even consider that electricity generated by wind is not

critical infrastructure?

The objection to that purchase is based on the fact that it
is NEAR "critical infrastructure". The whole law is about
buying property near "critical infrastructure." I don't
think anyone is worried about Chinese nationals buying our
military bases out from under us.

If you ever get your head out of your ass and actually
read the written words we might have the basis of a, lol,
rational discussion. If you are ready to stop dancing
around and state your opinion about whatever it is you
think you are talking about. In this instance, I promise,
IF, and this is obviously huge 'if', if we are talking
about the same subject, I have a black and white answer and
I think it's a good one.

You sound like an "Evidence in plain sight" Schiff clone. He
couldn't follow through. Can you?

BTW, #45 signed off on that purchase years ago.

Do you actually honestly literally Believe most of this
bullshabble that you post? Or is it just another case of you
amazing and amusing yourself, and trying to confirm yourself
as the king - or queen, or whatever - of RORT
controversialism? -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't
work.

I seriously think you must be losing your mind. The law I
posted about is about property near critical infrastructure.

"The law (SB 264) prohibits Chinese citizens from buying
farmland or any property within 10 miles of a military
installation or “critical infrastructure,†such as a
seaport or airport."

Maybe, if I dug deeper I might find something about the actual
ownership of "critical infrastructure" in that law, but so far
I haven't seen it, and you are the only one talking about it.

So ok, lets consider YOUR subject, You are still dancing. If
you want an opinion you have to start with one. I have a clear
opinion about YOUR subject. Your subject is so ridiculous i
don't think I need one, but oh well. If you want to play you
need to put something in the pot.

Since you have gone freelance and insist on your own definition
of "critical infrastructure" you will need to define what YOU
are talking about.

You just think - erroneously - that I've gone freelance. It's not
'my' definition.
https://www.cisa.gov/topics/critical-infrastructure-security-and-resilience/critical-infrastructure-sectors

Even if I lived next door to that guy I don't think

I would be bothered if he turned off his wind farm. What's he
going to do? Turn up the power and fry everything within a 100
mile radius? Where do we draw the line? Should Chinese
nationals be prohibited from buying a single wind generator?
What about solar panels? How many can they own?

From my POV, they can't own any of those things if they're part
of our "critical infrastructure".

I'm feeling complimented by the "artful dodger" label. You guys
are dodgers, but you sure ain't artful.

Do you really think that any foreign national of a country
that's hostile to our interests should be able to own any part of
of our "critical infrastructure"? -- bill Theory don't mean squat
if it don't work.

So, we're at war with China, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia,
and North Korea?

You just can't help it, can you? I didn't say anything about war.

Anyone who was born in those countries is
automatically our enemy? It's important that those people can't own agricultural land within 10 miles of a sewage plant? That is listed
as critical infrastructure and this bill is very concerned with
agricultural land. Hey this is important stuff. What happens if the
Cubans jam up the toilets in Florida?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErBK4KEMiko&t=29s

I probably should mention that Portland is a port city. Around here
China is an important trading partner.

Try to hang onto control of those ports. ------------------------------------------------------
In a recent opinion piece published by the Daily Mail, former British
Defense and International Trade Secretary Dr Liam Fox and former U.S.
National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane noted that China now owns
96 ports around the world. Some of these are at key locations for
maritime trade, "giving Beijing strategic dominance without having to
deploy a single soldier, ship or weapon."
...
Holmes, a former U.S. Navy officer, noted prosperity is the top
priority for any government. And Beijing’s port investments mean it
can hold a large portion of a country's prosperity hostage, compelling
its leadership to take political stances agreeable to the Chinese
Communist Party. "So, seaports are a critical enabler for China's bid
for commercial, diplomatic, and military influence." ----------------------------------------------------- https://www.voanews.com/a/6224958.html#:~:text=China%E2%80%99s%20global%20port%20expansion%20means%20Beijing%20now%20has,China%20now%20owns%2096%20ports%20around%20the%20world.

Much the same can be said about energy and agricultural
infrastructure. And we are in a "war" with China - although it's not a shooting war. Yet.

One more thing - the Chinese are capable of playing a much longer game
than we seem to be.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On 5/25/2023 4:24 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 6:37:38 AM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:29:52 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 6:47:09 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:53:17 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote: >>>>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:44:31 AM >>>>>>>> UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at
11:46:19 PM UTC-7, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at
7:43:52 PM
UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) ÃÆ>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ’¢â‚¬Ã

¢â‚¬

A group of Chinese citizens living and working in

Florida sued the state Monday over a new law
that bans Chinese nationals from purchasing
property in large swaths of the state.

The law applies to properties within 10 miles
(16 kilometers) of military installations and
other ÃÃâ€
’¢â‚¬Ã

…“critical

infrastructureÃÃâ€
’¢â‚¬
and

also affects

citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran,
Russia, and North Korea. But Chinese citizens
and those selling property to them face the
harshest penalties. The prohibition also
applies to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the
law will have a substantial chilling effect on
sales to Chinese and Asian people who can
legally buy property. The suit says the law
unfairly equates Chinese people with the
actions of their government and there is no
evidence of national security risk from Chinese
citizens buying Florida property.

The law ÃÃâ€
’¢â‚¬Ã

…“will

codify and expand housing discrimination against

people of Asian descent in violation of the
Constitution and the Fair Housing
Act,ÃÃâ€
’¢â‚¬

the ACLU said in a news release announcing the

suit. ÃÃâ€
’¢â‚¬Ã

…“It

will also cast an undue burden of suspicion on

anyone seeking to buy property whose name
sounds remotely Asian, Russian, Iranian,
Cuban, Venezuelan, or Syrian.ÃÆ>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ’¢â‚¬

"

"The number of states restricting foreign
ownership of agricultural land has risen by 50%
this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws
restricting foreign ownership or investments in
private agricultural land. So far this year,
restrictive laws also have been enacted in
Arkansas, Idaho, Montana, Tennessee, Utah and
Virginia.

Foreign land ownership has become ÃÃâ€
’¢â‚¬Ã

…“a

political

flashpoint,ÃÃâ€
’¢â‚¬

said Micah Brown, a staff attorney for the National

Agricultural Law Center at the University of
Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state laws
targeting land ownership by foreign entities
stems from some highly publicized cases of
Chinese-connected companies purchasing land
near military bases. Earlier this year, the
U.S. Air Force said that the Fufeng
GroupÃÃâ€
’¢â‚¬Ã

¢â€žÂ¢s

planned $700 million wet corn milling plant near a

base in Grand Forks, North Dakota, poses a
ÃÃâ€
’¢â‚¬Ã

…“significant

threat to national

security.ÃÃâ€
’¢â‚¬

After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon

bought a wind farm near an Air Force base in
Texas, that state responded in 2021 by banning
infrastructure deals with individuals tied to
hostile governments, including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA >>>>>>>>>>>>> infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't
work.

I don't know anything about that subject and the
article I posted doesn't say anything about
Chinese nationals buying critical USA
infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own stuff?
---------------------------------------- After a
Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon bought a
wind farm near an Air Force base in Texas, that state
responded in 2021 by banning infrastructure deals
with individuals tied to hostile governments,
including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you
probably don't even know what critical infrastructure
is:
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>

There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems, >>>>>>>>>>> and networks, whether physical or virtual, are

considered so vital to the United States that their
incapacitation or destruction would have a
debilitating effect on security, national economic
security, national public health or safety, or any
combination thereof.
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>

and what

is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion? -- bill Theory
don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't think Chinese nationals BOUGHT any of that.
They might have bought land near that. Can you tell me
what critical infrastructure Chinese nationals BOUGHT.
I will also need your opinion about this.

I'm mostly interested in facts. You are mostly
interested in opinions. Going forward, if you want to
have any hope of getting a straight answer about my
opinions, you will need to start by stating your
opinion.

Are you claiming that the article you posted does Not
contain facts? That the Chinese guy was Not a Chinese
national? That he did Not BUY a wind farm? That a wind
farm is Not critical infrastructure? What?

And at the end of the day going forward, I should
probably reorient and reevaluate the calculus of any
uniquely possible metric of hope that I may have on the
table of literally getting a straight answer from you at
any point in the passage of time? -- bill Theory don't
mean squat if it don't work.

The wind farm you are talking about is NOT considered
"critical infrastructure."

Bullshit. The energy sector is critical infrastructure, and
wind power is part of the energy structure.
---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>

The energy infrastructure is divided into three interrelated

segments: electricity, oil, and natural gas. The U.S.
electricity segment contains more than 6,413 power plants
(this includes 3,273 traditional electric utilities and 1,738
nonutility power producers) with approximately 1,075
gigawatts of installed generation. Approximately 48 percent
of electricity is produced by combusting coal (primarily
transported by rail), 20 percent in nuclear power plants, and
22 percent by combusting natural gas. The remaining
generation is provided by hydroelectric plants (6 percent),
oil (1 percent), and renewable sources (solar, wind, and
geothermal) (3 percent).
---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>

How can you even consider that electricity generated by wind is not

critical infrastructure?

The objection to that purchase is based on the fact that it
is NEAR "critical infrastructure". The whole law is about
buying property near "critical infrastructure." I don't
think anyone is worried about Chinese nationals buying our
military bases out from under us.

If you ever get your head out of your ass and actually
read the written words we might have the basis of a, lol,
rational discussion. If you are ready to stop dancing
around and state your opinion about whatever it is you
think you are talking about. In this instance, I promise,
IF, and this is obviously huge 'if', if we are talking
about the same subject, I have a black and white answer and
I think it's a good one.

You sound like an "Evidence in plain sight" Schiff clone. He
couldn't follow through. Can you?

BTW, #45 signed off on that purchase years ago.

Do you actually honestly literally Believe most of this
bullshabble that you post? Or is it just another case of you
amazing and amusing yourself, and trying to confirm yourself
as the king - or queen, or whatever - of RORT
controversialism? -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't
work.

I seriously think you must be losing your mind. The law I
posted about is about property near critical infrastructure.

"The law (SB 264) prohibits Chinese citizens from buying
farmland or any property within 10 miles of a military
installation or “critical infrastructure,†such as a
seaport or airport."

Maybe, if I dug deeper I might find something about the actual
ownership of "critical infrastructure" in that law, but so far
I haven't seen it, and you are the only one talking about it.

So ok, lets consider YOUR subject, You are still dancing. If
you want an opinion you have to start with one. I have a clear
opinion about YOUR subject. Your subject is so ridiculous i
don't think I need one, but oh well. If you want to play you
need to put something in the pot.

Since you have gone freelance and insist on your own definition
of "critical infrastructure" you will need to define what YOU
are talking about.

You just think - erroneously - that I've gone freelance. It's not
'my' definition.
https://www.cisa.gov/topics/critical-infrastructure-security-and-resilience/critical-infrastructure-sectors

Even if I lived next door to that guy I don't think

I would be bothered if he turned off his wind farm. What's he
going to do? Turn up the power and fry everything within a 100
mile radius? Where do we draw the line? Should Chinese
nationals be prohibited from buying a single wind generator?
What about solar panels? How many can they own?

From my POV, they can't own any of those things if they're part
of our "critical infrastructure".

I'm feeling complimented by the "artful dodger" label. You guys
are dodgers, but you sure ain't artful.

Do you really think that any foreign national of a country
that's hostile to our interests should be able to own any part of
of our "critical infrastructure"? -- bill Theory don't mean squat
if it don't work.

So, we're at war with China, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, Russia,
and North Korea?

You just can't help it, can you? I didn't say anything about war.

Anyone who was born in those countries is
automatically our enemy? It's important that those people can't own
agricultural land within 10 miles of a sewage plant? That is listed
as critical infrastructure and this bill is very concerned with
agricultural land. Hey this is important stuff. What happens if the
Cubans jam up the toilets in Florida?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErBK4KEMiko&t=29s

I probably should mention that Portland is a port city. Around here
China is an important trading partner.

Try to hang onto control of those ports.
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In a recent opinion piece published by the Daily Mail, former British
Defense and International Trade Secretary Dr Liam Fox and former U.S.
National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane noted that China now owns
96 ports around the world. Some of these are at key locations for
maritime trade, "giving Beijing strategic dominance without having to
deploy a single soldier, ship or weapon."
...
Holmes, a former U.S. Navy officer, noted prosperity is the top
priority for any government. And Beijing’s port investments mean it
can hold a large portion of a country's prosperity hostage, compelling
its leadership to take political stances agreeable to the Chinese
Communist Party. "So, seaports are a critical enabler for China's bid
for commercial, diplomatic, and military influence."
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https://www.voanews.com/a/6224958.html#:~:text=China%E2%80%99s%20global%20port%20expansion%20means%20Beijing%20now%20has,China%20now%20owns%2096%20ports%20around%20the%20world.

Much the same can be said about energy and agricultural
infrastructure. And we are in a "war" with China - although it's not a
shooting war. Yet.

One more thing - the Chinese are capable of playing a much longer game
than we seem to be.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

Was that so difficult? All you needed to say was that you are in favor of this law. So, we have 2 in favor and one, as usual, dancing around.

This law is bigoted bullshit straight out of the traditional fascist playbook. Use ignorance to demonize minority groups and create fear. The sheep need big brother to protect them. The next thing you know communists will be cutting off your balls.

Talk about prejudice, this law judges people by their country of origin.

This law isn't necessary because we have Federal programs to address this problem, without creating insane restrictions. Right wing influencers are leading you airheads around like balloons with strings tied to your nose.

"The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS)
CFIUS is an interagency committee authorized to review certain transactions involving foreign investment in the United States and certain real estate transactions by foreign persons, in order to determine the effect of such transactions on the

national security of the United States."

https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/international/the-committee-on-foreign-investment-in-the-united-states-cfius

It's seriously important that we prevent people who were born in other places from owning farm land within 10 miles of a sewage plant? LOL, give me a break. This is just more manufactured outrage.

TB

Knock,knock, knock, is this thing on? <crickets> I'm pretty disappointed. I thought we were going to have a lively exchange of opinions. Instead, our Three Clumsy Dodgers all danced away from this thread. Our jive ass dodger was all over this

thread, with 4 posts, until things got real. He never stops dancing, so that was no surprise. I had figured that sticks would at least explain why people who were born in Cuba shouldn't own farm land within 10 miles of a sewage plant. Nothin'. I figured
bfh would tell me all the ways I was wrong and he was right. <crickets>

I thought that was one of my all time best flames. This being Usenet all of my victims will deny feeling even the slightest bit of warmth. LOL So it goes.

TB

FWIW, I considered getting into it and particularly the partisans at the
CFIUS, but decided it was just a total waste of time as this thread is
too damn stupid to give any more attention to. The reasons are obvious
for anyone who isn't a leftist. But go ahead and sue. Florida has the
right to protect their interests as they choose, just as Portland has
the right to destroy theirs. You get what you vote for.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 6:37:38 AM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:29:52 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 6:47:09 PM UTC-7, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:53:17 PM >>>>>> UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at
10:44:31 AM UTC-7, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at
11:46:19 PM
UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

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law that bans Chinese nationals from
purchasing property in large swaths of
the state.

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citizens of Cuba, Venezuela, Syria,
Iran, Russia, and North Korea. But
Chinese citizens and those selling
property to them face the harshest
penalties. The prohibition also applies
to agricultural land.

The American Civil Liberties Union says
the law will have a substantial chilling
effect on sales to Chinese and Asian
people who can legally buy property. The
suit says the law unfairly equates
Chinese people with the actions of their
government and there is no evidence of
national security risk from Chinese
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"The number of states restricting
foreign ownership of agricultural land
has risen by 50% this year.

Heading into 2023, 14 states had laws
restricting foreign ownership or
investments in private agricultural land.
So far this year, restrictive laws also
have been enacted in Arkansas, Idaho,
Montana, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia.

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said Micah Brown, a staff attorney for the National

Agricultural Law Center at the University
of Arkansas.

Brown said the recent surge in state
laws targeting land ownership by foreign
entities stems from some highly
publicized cases of Chinese-connected
companies purchasing land near military
bases. Earlier this year, the U.S. Air
Force said that the Fufeng
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After a Chinese army veteran and real estate tycoon

bought a wind farm near an Air Force base
in Texas, that state responded in 2021 by
banning infrastructure deals with
individuals tied to hostile governments,
including China."

https://apnews.com/article/florida-chinese-citizens-property-law-4aeecc7a9470d03726658f1ef7b1d1f1

What's your personal position on Chinese nationals buying critical USA >>>>>>>>>>>>> infrastructure?

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it
don't work.

I don't know anything about that subject and
the article I posted doesn't say anything
about Chinese nationals buying critical USA
infrastructures.

Of course it did. Don't you read your own
stuff? ----------------------------------------
After a Chinese army veteran and real estate
tycoon bought a wind farm near an Air Force
base in Texas, that state responded in 2021 by
banning infrastructure deals with individuals
tied to hostile governments, including China."
---------------------------------------

What critical infrastructure did they buy

Don't you read your own stuff? And since you
probably don't even know what critical
infrastructure is:
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>

There are 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems,

and networks, whether physical or virtual, are
considered so vital to the United States that
their incapacitation or destruction would have
a debilitating effect on security, national
economic security, national public health or
safety, or any combination thereof.
------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>

and what

is your opinion about that?

Now can you provide your own opinion? -- bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't think Chinese nationals BOUGHT any of
that. They might have bought land near that. Can
you tell me what critical infrastructure Chinese
nationals BOUGHT. I will also need your opinion
about this.

I'm mostly interested in facts. You are mostly
interested in opinions. Going forward, if you
want to have any hope of getting a straight
answer about my opinions, you will need to start
by stating your opinion.

Are you claiming that the article you posted does
Not contain facts? That the Chinese guy was Not a
Chinese national? That he did Not BUY a wind farm?
That a wind farm is Not critical infrastructure?
What?

And at the end of the day going forward, I should
probably reorient and reevaluate the calculus of
any uniquely possible metric of hope that I may
have on the table of literally getting a straight
answer from you at any point in the passage of
time? -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't
work.

The wind farm you are talking about is NOT
considered "critical infrastructure."

Bullshit. The energy sector is critical infrastructure,
and wind power is part of the energy structure.
---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>

The energy infrastructure is divided into three interrelated

segments: electricity, oil, and natural gas. The U.S.
electricity segment contains more than 6,413 power
plants (this includes 3,273 traditional electric
utilities and 1,738 nonutility power producers) with
approximately 1,075 gigawatts of installed generation.
Approximately 48 percent of electricity is produced by
combusting coal (primarily transported by rail), 20
percent in nuclear power plants, and 22 percent by
combusting natural gas. The remaining generation is
provided by hydroelectric plants (6 percent), oil (1
percent), and renewable sources (solar, wind, and
geothermal) (3 percent).
---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>

How can you even consider that electricity generated by wind is not

critical infrastructure?

The objection to that purchase is based on the fact
that it is NEAR "critical infrastructure". The whole
law is about buying property near "critical
infrastructure." I don't think anyone is worried
about Chinese nationals buying our military bases out
from under us.

If you ever get your head out of your ass and
actually read the written words we might have the
basis of a, lol, rational discussion. If you are
ready to stop dancing around and state your opinion
about whatever it is you think you are talking about.
In this instance, I promise, IF, and this is
obviously huge 'if', if we are talking about the same
subject, I have a black and white answer and I think
it's a good one.

You sound like an "Evidence in plain sight" Schiff
clone. He couldn't follow through. Can you?

BTW, #45 signed off on that purchase years ago.

Do you actually honestly literally Believe most of
this bullshabble that you post? Or is it just another
case of you amazing and amusing yourself, and trying to
confirm yourself as the king - or queen, or whatever -
of RORT controversialism? -- bill Theory don't mean
squat if it don't work.

I seriously think you must be losing your mind. The law
I posted about is about property near critical
infrastructure.

"The law (SB 264) prohibits Chinese citizens from buying
farmland or any property within 10 miles of a military
installation or “critical
infrastructure,†such as a seaport or
airport."

Maybe, if I dug deeper I might find something about the
actual ownership of "critical infrastructure" in that
law, but so far I haven't seen it, and you are the only
one talking about it.

So ok, lets consider YOUR subject, You are still dancing.
If you want an opinion you have to start with one. I have
a clear opinion about YOUR subject. Your subject is so
ridiculous i don't think I need one, but oh well. If you
want to play you need to put something in the pot.

Since you have gone freelance and insist on your own
definition of "critical infrastructure" you will need to
define what YOU are talking about.

You just think - erroneously - that I've gone freelance.
It's not 'my' definition.
https://www.cisa.gov/topics/critical-infrastructure-security-and-resilience/critical-infrastructure-sectors

Even if I lived next door to that guy I don't think

I would be bothered if he turned off his wind farm.
What's he going to do? Turn up the power and fry
everything within a 100 mile radius? Where do we draw the
line? Should Chinese nationals be prohibited from buying
a single wind generator? What about solar panels? How
many can they own?

From my POV, they can't own any of those things if they're
part of our "critical infrastructure".

I'm feeling complimented by the "artful dodger" label.
You guys are dodgers, but you sure ain't artful.

Do you really think that any foreign national of a country
that's hostile to our interests should be able to own any
part of of our "critical infrastructure"? -- bill Theory
don't mean squat if it don't work.

So, we're at war with China, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran,
Russia, and North Korea?

You just can't help it, can you? I didn't say anything about
war.

Anyone who was born in those countries is automatically our
enemy? It's important that those people can't own
agricultural land within 10 miles of a sewage plant? That is
listed as critical infrastructure and this bill is very
concerned with agricultural land. Hey this is important
stuff. What happens if the Cubans jam up the toilets in
Florida?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErBK4KEMiko&t=29s

I probably should mention that Portland is a port city.
Around here China is an important trading partner.

Try to hang onto control of those ports.
------------------------------------------------------ In a
recent opinion piece published by the Daily Mail, former
British Defense and International Trade Secretary Dr Liam Fox
and former U.S. National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane
noted that China now owns 96 ports around the world. Some of
these are at key locations for maritime trade, "giving Beijing
strategic dominance without having to deploy a single soldier,
ship or weapon." ... Holmes, a former U.S. Navy officer, noted
prosperity is the top priority for any government. And
Beijing’s port investments mean it can hold a large portion
of a country's prosperity hostage, compelling its leadership to
take political stances agreeable to the Chinese Communist
Party. "So, seaports are a critical enabler for China's bid for
commercial, diplomatic, and military influence."
-----------------------------------------------------
https://www.voanews.com/a/6224958.html#:~:text=China%E2%80%99s%20global%20port%20expansion%20means%20Beijing%20now%20has,China%20now%20owns%2096%20ports%20around%20the%20world.

Much the same can be said about energy and agricultural

infrastructure. And we are in a "war" with China - although
it's not a shooting war. Yet.

One more thing - the Chinese are capable of playing a much
longer game than we seem to be. -- bill Theory don't mean squat
if it don't work.

Was that so difficult? All you needed to say was that you are in
favor of this law. So, we have 2 in favor and one, as usual,
dancing around.

This law is bigoted bullshit straight out of the traditional
fascist playbook. Use ignorance to demonize minority groups and
create fear. The sheep need big brother to protect them. The next
thing you know communists will be cutting off your balls.

Talk about prejudice, this law judges people by their country of
origin.

This law isn't necessary because we have Federal programs to
address this problem, without creating insane restrictions. Right
wing influencers are leading you airheads around like balloons
with strings tied to your nose.

"The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States
(CFIUS) CFIUS is an interagency committee authorized to review
certain transactions involving foreign investment in the United
States and certain real estate transactions by foreign persons,
in order to determine the effect of such transactions on the
national security of the United States."

https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/international/the-committee-on-foreign-investment-in-the-united-states-cfius

It's seriously important that we prevent people who were born in other
places from owning farm land within 10 miles of a sewage plant? LOL,
give me a break. This is just more manufactured outrage.

TB

Knock,knock, knock, is this thing on? <crickets> I'm pretty
disappointed. I thought we were going to have a lively exchange of
opinions. Instead, our Three Clumsy Dodgers all danced away from
this thread. Our jive ass dodger was all over this thread, with 4
posts, until things got real. He never stops dancing, so that was
no surprise. I had figured that sticks would at least explain why
people who were born in Cuba shouldn't own farm land within 10
miles of a sewage plant. Nothin'. I figured bfh would tell me all
the ways I was wrong and he was right. <crickets>

I thought that was one of my all time best flames. This being
Usenet all of my victims will deny feeling even the slightest bit
of warmth. LOL So it goes.

Since you're obviously in favor of selling critical infrastructure to
Chinese nationals, I don't know why you're disappointed. You've
self-admitted that you've exceeded your self-expections for your self-amusement and self-amazement.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more likely to cause problems than people who were born here, unless you want to count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb.

"Since 1991, American families have adopted more than 60,000 Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't allowed to own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give birth in the U.S. every year so that their kids are born American citizens, according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead of the
government associated foreign national the bill targets. Oh yeah,
lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause problems, no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people become safe. If they get permanent resident status the dangerous people automatically become safe. I don't think it would be difficult for anyone to find a safe dummy buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party or
any official or member of either group.
2. Any other political party or member of a political party or a subdivision of a political party in the People’s Republic of China.
3. A partnership, association, corporation, organization or any
other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its principal place of business in the People’s Republic of China or a
subsidiary of such entity.
4. Any person who is domiciled in the People’s Republic of China and
is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States.
5. Any person, entity or collection of persons or entities described
in subparagraphs 1 through 4 as having a controlling interest in a
partnership, association, corporation, organization, trust or any other
legal entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning real
property in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF>

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On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more likely to cause problems than people who were born here, unless you want to count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb.

"Since 1991, American families have adopted more than 60,000 Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't allowed to own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give birth in the U.S. every year so that their kids are born American citizens, according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead of the government associated foreign national the bill targets. Oh yeah,
lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause problems, no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people become safe. If they get permanent resident status the dangerous people automatically become safe. I don't think it would be difficult for anyone to find a safe dummy buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party or
any official or member of either group.
2. Any other political party or member of a political party or a
subdivision of a political party in the People’s Republic of China.
3. A partnership, association, corporation, organization or any
other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its principal place of business in the People’s Republic of China or a subsidiary of such entity.
4. Any person who is domiciled in the People’s Republic of China and
is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States.
5. Any person, entity or collection of persons or entities described
in subparagraphs 1 through 4 as having a controlling interest in a partnership, association, corporation, organization, trust or any other legal entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning real
property in Florida.

Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring bft. He likes to argue and he's having problems finding playmates. This all comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I figure that, once they know the facts everyone will figure out
their own opinion regardless of what I might say here. Here opinions are just a game. Which reminds me. I don't know who you are posting for, but, if it's me you could save yourself a lot of work if you cut down on the number of words you use. Yes fans,
I do get the irony in this. All of my fans know I like to use a lot of words, but I'm mostly posting for myself, so I don't care how much of it anyone reads. I'm just a compulsive writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just like you here in the past. Back in the day we would have at least half a dozen people who didn't sound all that different from you posting all day, every day. In effect, I have already read
your posts many times. I tired of that a long time ago. This group is still an excellent place to find out what's bouncing around in the far right echo chamber. But, for you I mostly look for the subject and filter out the opinions. On that Durham
investigation post I stopped reading once I figured out that this was the subject. I wasn't interested in your opinion on this subject and only read enough to see which side you were on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because it wouldn't do anything to make us safer and isn't likely to survive a court test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's just trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are real reasons to be concerned with foreign ownership of critical infrastructure, particularly in smaller countries. If someone who doesn't like you owns seriously critical infrastructure,
they can hold your whole country hostage and charge exorbitant fees. You know, pretty much the same way Republicans are holding our whole country hostage.

TB

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more likely
to cause problems than people who were born here, unless you
want to count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb.

"Since 1991, American families have adopted more than 60,000
Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't allowed to
own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give birth
in the U.S. every year so that their kids are born American
citizens, according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead of
the government associated foreign national the bill targets. Oh
yeah, lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause
problems, no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people become
safe. If they get permanent resident status the dangerous
people automatically become safe. I don't think it would be
difficult for anyone to find a safe dummy buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party
or any official or member of either group. 2. Any other political
party or member of a political party or a subdivision of a
political party in the People’s Republic of China. 3. A
partnership, association, corporation, organization or any other
combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its
principal place of business in the People’s Republic of China
or a subsidiary of such entity. 4. Any person who is domiciled in
the People’s Republic of China and is not a citizen or lawful
permanent resident of the United States. 5. Any person, entity or
collection of persons or entities described in subparagraphs 1
through 4 as having a controlling interest in a partnership,
association, corporation, organization, trust or any other legal
entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning real
property in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring bft.
He likes to argue and he's having problems finding playmates.

LOL!......no, wait.........at the end of the day going forward, that's literally a ROTFLOL! and a HAWHAWHAW!

This
all comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I figure that,
once they know the facts everyone will figure out their own opinion regardless of what I might say here. Here opinions are just a game.
Which reminds me. I don't know who you are posting for, but, if
it's me you could save yourself a lot of work if you cut down on
the number of words you use. Yes fans, I do get the irony in this.
All of my fans know I like to use a lot of words, but I'm mostly
posting for myself, so I don't care how much of it anyone reads.
I'm just a compulsive writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just like you
here in the past. Back in the day we would have at least half a
dozen people who didn't sound all that different from you posting
all day, every day. In effect, I have already read your posts many
times. I tired of that a long time ago. This group is still an
excellent place to find out what's bouncing around in the far right
echo chamber. But, for you I mostly look for the subject and filter
out the opinions. On that Durham investigation post I stopped
reading once I figured out that this was the subject. I wasn't
interested in your opinion on this subject and only read enough to
see which side you were on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because it
wouldn't do anything to make us safer and isn't likely to survive a
court test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's just trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are real
reasons to be concerned with foreign ownership of critical
infrastructure, particularly in smaller countries. If someone who
doesn't like you owns seriously critical infrastructure, they can
hold your whole country hostage and charge exorbitant fees. You
know, pretty much the same way Republicans are holding our whole
country hostage.

TB

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On 5/26/2023 2:41 PM, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more likely
to cause problems than people who were born here, unless you
want to count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb.

"Since 1991, American families have adopted more than 60,000
Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't allowed to
own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give birth
in the U.S. every year so that their kids are born American
citizens, according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead of
the government associated foreign national the bill targets. Oh
yeah, lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause
problems, no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people become
safe. If they get permanent resident status the dangerous
people automatically become safe. I don't think it would be
difficult for anyone to find a safe dummy buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party
or any official or member of either group. 2. Any other political
party or member of a political party or a subdivision of a
political party in the People’s Republic of China. 3. A
partnership, association, corporation, organization or any other
combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its
principal place of business in the People’s Republic of China
or a subsidiary of such entity. 4. Any person who is domiciled in
the People’s Republic of China and is not a citizen or lawful
permanent resident of the United States. 5. Any person, entity or
collection of persons or entities described in subparagraphs 1
through 4 as having a controlling interest in a partnership,
association, corporation, organization, trust or any other legal
entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning real property
in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring bft.
He likes to argue and he's having problems finding playmates.

LOL!......no, wait.........at the end of the day going forward, that's literally a ROTFLOL! and a HAWHAWHAW!

The Artful Dodger has no trouble finding playmates. The world is full of
fools.

This
all comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I figure that,
once they know the facts everyone will figure out their own opinion
regardless of what I might say here. Here opinions are just a game.
Which reminds me. I don't know who you are posting for, but, if
it's me you could save yourself a lot of work if you cut down on
the number of words you use. Yes fans, I do get the irony in this.
All of my fans know I like to use a lot of words, but I'm mostly
posting for myself, so I don't care how much of it anyone reads.
I'm just a compulsive writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just like you
here in the past. Back in the day we would have at least half a
dozen people who didn't sound all that different from you posting
all day, every day. In effect, I have already read your posts many
times. I tired of that a long time ago. This group is still an
excellent place to find out what's bouncing around in the far right
echo chamber. But, for you I mostly look for the subject and filter
out the opinions. On that Durham investigation post I stopped
reading once I figured out that this was the subject. I wasn't
interested in your opinion on this subject and only read enough to
see which side you were on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because it
wouldn't do anything to make us safer and isn't likely to survive a
court test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's just trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are real
reasons to be concerned with foreign ownership of critical
infrastructure, particularly in smaller countries. If someone who
doesn't like you owns seriously critical infrastructure, they can
hold your whole country hostage and charge exorbitant fees. You
know, pretty much the same way Republicans are holding our whole
country hostage.

TB

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On 5/26/2023 12:14 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more likely to cause problems than people who were born here, unless you want to count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb.

"Since 1991, American families have adopted more than 60,000 Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't allowed to own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give birth in the U.S. every year so that their kids are born American citizens, according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead of the
government associated foreign national the bill targets. Oh yeah,
lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause problems, no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people become safe. If they get permanent resident status the dangerous people automatically become safe. I don't think it would be difficult for anyone to find a safe dummy buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party or
any official or member of either group.
2. Any other political party or member of a political party or a
subdivision of a political party in the People’s Republic of China.
3. A partnership, association, corporation, organization or any
other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its
principal place of business in the People’s Republic of China or a
subsidiary of such entity.
4. Any person who is domiciled in the People’s Republic of China and
is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States.
5. Any person, entity or collection of persons or entities described
in subparagraphs 1 through 4 as having a controlling interest in a
partnership, association, corporation, organization, trust or any other
legal entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning real
property in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring bft. He likes to argue and he's having problems finding playmates. This all comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I figure that, once they know the facts everyone will figure

out their own opinion regardless of what I might say here. Here opinions are just a game. Which reminds me. I don't know who you are posting for, but, if it's me you could save yourself a lot of work if you cut down on the number of words you use. Yes
fans, I do get the irony in this. All of my fans know I like to use a lot of words, but I'm mostly posting for myself, so I don't care how much of it anyone reads. I'm just a compulsive writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just like you here in the past. Back in the day we would have at least half a dozen people who didn't sound all that different from you posting all day, every day. In effect, I have already read

your posts many times. I tired of that a long time ago. This group is still an excellent place to find out what's bouncing around in the far right echo chamber. But, for you I mostly look for the subject and filter out the opinions. On that Durham
investigation post I stopped reading once I figured out that this was the subject. I wasn't interested in your opinion on this subject and only read enough to see which side you were on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because it wouldn't do anything to make us safer and isn't likely to survive a court test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's just trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are real reasons to be concerned with foreign ownership of critical infrastructure, particularly in smaller countries. If someone who doesn't like you owns seriously critical infrastructure,

they can hold your whole country hostage and charge exorbitant fees. You know, pretty much the same way Republicans are holding our whole country hostage.

TB

Just another cowardly leftist.

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On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 4:49:38 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 12:14 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more likely to cause problems than people who were born here, unless you want to count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb.

"Since 1991, American families have adopted more than 60,000 Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't allowed to own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give birth in the U.S. every year so that their kids are born American citizens, according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead of the
government associated foreign national the bill targets. Oh yeah,
lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause problems, no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people become safe. If they get permanent resident status the dangerous people automatically become safe. I don't think it would be difficult for anyone to find a safe dummy buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party or
any official or member of either group.
2. Any other political party or member of a political party or a
subdivision of a political party in the People’s Republic of China.
3. A partnership, association, corporation, organization or any
other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its
principal place of business in the People’s Republic of China or a
subsidiary of such entity.
4. Any person who is domiciled in the People’s Republic of China and
is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States.
5. Any person, entity or collection of persons or entities described
in subparagraphs 1 through 4 as having a controlling interest in a
partnership, association, corporation, organization, trust or any other >> legal entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning real
property in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring bft. He likes to argue and he's having problems finding playmates. This all comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I figure that, once they know the facts everyone will figure out

their own opinion regardless of what I might say here. Here opinions are just a game. Which reminds me. I don't know who you are posting for, but, if it's me you could save yourself a lot of work if you cut down on the number of words you use. Yes fans,
I do get the irony in this. All of my fans know I like to use a lot of words, but I'm mostly posting for myself, so I don't care how much of it anyone reads. I'm just a compulsive writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just like you here in the past. Back in the day we would have at least half a dozen people who didn't sound all that different from you posting all day, every day. In effect, I have already read your

posts many times. I tired of that a long time ago. This group is still an excellent place to find out what's bouncing around in the far right echo chamber. But, for you I mostly look for the subject and filter out the opinions. On that Durham
investigation post I stopped reading once I figured out that this was the subject. I wasn't interested in your opinion on this subject and only read enough to see which side you were on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because it wouldn't do anything to make us safer and isn't likely to survive a court test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's just trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are real reasons to be concerned with foreign ownership of critical infrastructure, particularly in smaller countries. If someone who doesn't like you owns seriously critical infrastructure, they

can hold your whole country hostage and charge exorbitant fees. You know, pretty much the same way Republicans are holding our whole country hostage.

TB

Just another cowardly leftist.

Oh my, aren't we the brave one? Personally I don't think there's any bravery involved in slacktivism on a nearly dead Usenet group. I think it would be more accurate if you thought of me as a looney and lazy leftie. For me this group is a lot like
a video game. I get to choose which sections of the game I play

Just in case there is anyone here who is so dense that they missed it: Desaintless is trolling to send a message to the magarats. His message is that the current administration is weak and they aren't doing enough to protect you. You need a strong
young leader who isn't afraid to stand up to the forces of evil who want to lead you into chaos. It isn't meant to be a real law. It's just part of his presidential campaign.

Annnnnnd, another troll just to point to all the dancing. No one has explained why we need to prevent people who were born in Cuba from owning farm land within 10 miles of a sewage plant. If anything, all I expect is more dancing. lqtm

TB

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On 5/27/2023 11:05 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 4:49:38 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 12:14 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more likely to cause problems than people who were born here, unless you want to count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb.

"Since 1991, American families have adopted more than 60,000 Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't allowed to own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give birth in the U.S. every year so that their kids are born American citizens, according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead of the
government associated foreign national the bill targets. Oh yeah,
lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause problems, no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people become safe. If they get permanent resident status the dangerous people automatically become safe. I don't think it would be difficult for anyone to find a safe dummy buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party or
any official or member of either group.
2. Any other political party or member of a political party or a
subdivision of a political party in the People’s Republic of China.
3. A partnership, association, corporation, organization or any
other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its >>>> principal place of business in the People’s Republic of China or a
subsidiary of such entity.
4. Any person who is domiciled in the People’s Republic of China and >>>> is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States.
5. Any person, entity or collection of persons or entities described
in subparagraphs 1 through 4 as having a controlling interest in a
partnership, association, corporation, organization, trust or any other >>>> legal entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning real
property in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring bft. He likes to argue and he's having problems finding playmates. This all comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I figure that, once they know the facts everyone will figure out

their own opinion regardless of what I might say here. Here opinions are just a game. Which reminds me. I don't know who you are posting for, but, if it's me you could save yourself a lot of work if you cut down on the number of words you use. Yes fans,
I do get the irony in this. All of my fans know I like to use a lot of words, but I'm mostly posting for myself, so I don't care how much of it anyone reads. I'm just a compulsive writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just like you here in the past. Back in the day we would have at least half a dozen people who didn't sound all that different from you posting all day, every day. In effect, I have already read your

posts many times. I tired of that a long time ago. This group is still an excellent place to find out what's bouncing around in the far right echo chamber. But, for you I mostly look for the subject and filter out the opinions. On that Durham
investigation post I stopped reading once I figured out that this was the subject. I wasn't interested in your opinion on this subject and only read enough to see which side you were on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because it wouldn't do anything to make us safer and isn't likely to survive a court test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's just trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are real reasons to be concerned with foreign ownership of critical infrastructure, particularly in smaller countries. If someone who doesn't like you owns seriously critical infrastructure, they

can hold your whole country hostage and charge exorbitant fees. You know, pretty much the same way Republicans are holding our whole country hostage.

TB

Just another cowardly leftist.

Oh my, aren't we the brave one? Personally I don't think there's any bravery involved in slacktivism on a nearly dead Usenet group. I think it would be more accurate if you thought of me as a looney and lazy leftie. For me this group is a lot

like a video game. I get to choose which sections of the game I play

Just in case there is anyone here who is so dense that they missed it: Desaintless is trolling to send a message to the magarats. His message is that the current administration is weak and they aren't doing enough to protect you. You need a

strong young leader who isn't afraid to stand up to the forces of evil who want to lead you into chaos. It isn't meant to be a real law. It's just part of his presidential campaign.

Annnnnnd, another troll just to point to all the dancing. No one has explained why we need to prevent people who were born in Cuba from owning farm land within 10 miles of a sewage plant. If anything, all I expect is more dancing. lqtm

TB

So, I guess you were lying when you said you weren't interested. I
believe that means you're a coward, AND a liar. Thanks!

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On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 12:41:11 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more likely
to cause problems than people who were born here, unless you
want to count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb.

"Since 1991, American families have adopted more than 60,000
Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't allowed to
own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give birth
in the U.S. every year so that their kids are born American
citizens, according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead of
the government associated foreign national the bill targets. Oh
yeah, lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause
problems, no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people become
safe. If they get permanent resident status the dangerous
people automatically become safe. I don't think it would be
difficult for anyone to find a safe dummy buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party
or any official or member of either group. 2. Any other political
party or member of a political party or a subdivision of a
political party in the People’s Republic of China. 3. A
partnership, association, corporation, organization or any other
combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its
principal place of business in the People’s Republic of China
or a subsidiary of such entity. 4. Any person who is domiciled in
the People’s Republic of China and is not a citizen or lawful
permanent resident of the United States. 5. Any person, entity or
collection of persons or entities described in subparagraphs 1
through 4 as having a controlling interest in a partnership,
association, corporation, organization, trust or any other legal
entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning real
property in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring bft.
He likes to argue and he's having problems finding playmates.

LOL!......no, wait.........at the end of the day going forward, that's literally a ROTFLOL! and a HAWHAWHAW!

This
all comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I figure that,
once they know the facts everyone will figure out their own opinion regardless of what I might say here. Here opinions are just a game.
Which reminds me. I don't know who you are posting for, but, if
it's me you could save yourself a lot of work if you cut down on
the number of words you use. Yes fans, I do get the irony in this.
All of my fans know I like to use a lot of words, but I'm mostly
posting for myself, so I don't care how much of it anyone reads.
I'm just a compulsive writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just like you
here in the past. Back in the day we would have at least half a
dozen people who didn't sound all that different from you posting
all day, every day. In effect, I have already read your posts many
times. I tired of that a long time ago. This group is still an
excellent place to find out what's bouncing around in the far right
echo chamber. But, for you I mostly look for the subject and filter
out the opinions. On that Durham investigation post I stopped
reading once I figured out that this was the subject. I wasn't
interested in your opinion on this subject and only read enough to
see which side you were on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because it
wouldn't do anything to make us safer and isn't likely to survive a
court test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's just trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are real
reasons to be concerned with foreign ownership of critical
infrastructure, particularly in smaller countries. If someone who
doesn't like you owns seriously critical infrastructure, they can
hold your whole country hostage and charge exorbitant fees. You
know, pretty much the same way Republicans are holding our whole
country hostage.

TB

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

Thank you. I'm glad you can enjoy my twisted sense of humor. I have been told I need to be careful because I have a very "dry" sense of humor and some folks take me seriously. :-)

TB

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 12:41:11 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, sticks
wrote:

On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more
likely to cause problems than people who were born here,
unless you want to count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb.

"Since 1991, American families have adopted more than
60,000 Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't
allowed to own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give
birth in the U.S. every year so that their kids are born
American citizens, according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead
of the government associated foreign national the bill
targets. Oh yeah, lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause
problems, no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people
become safe. If they get permanent resident status the
dangerous people automatically become safe. I don't think
it would be difficult for anyone to find a safe dummy
buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese
Communist Party or any official or member of either group. 2.
Any other political party or member of a political party or a
subdivision of a political party in the People’s
Republic of China. 3. A partnership, association,
corporation, organization or any other combination of persons
organized under the laws of or having its principal place of
business in the People’s Republic of China or a
subsidiary of such entity. 4. Any person who is domiciled in
the People’s Republic of China and is not a citizen or >>>> lawful permanent resident of the United States. 5. Any
person, entity or collection of persons or entities described
in subparagraphs 1 through 4 as having a controlling interest
in a partnership, association, corporation, organization,
trust or any other legal entity or subsidiary formed for the
purpose of owning real property in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring
bft. He likes to argue and he's having problems finding
playmates.

LOL!......no, wait.........at the end of the day going forward,
that's literally a ROTFLOL! and a HAWHAWHAW!

This all comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I figure
that, once they know the facts everyone will figure out their
own opinion regardless of what I might say here. Here opinions
are just a game. Which reminds me. I don't know who you are
posting for, but, if it's me you could save yourself a lot of
work if you cut down on the number of words you use. Yes fans,
I do get the irony in this. All of my fans know I like to use a
lot of words, but I'm mostly posting for myself, so I don't
care how much of it anyone reads. I'm just a compulsive
writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just like
you here in the past. Back in the day we would have at least
half a dozen people who didn't sound all that different from
you posting all day, every day. In effect, I have already read
your posts many times. I tired of that a long time ago. This
group is still an excellent place to find out what's bouncing
around in the far right echo chamber. But, for you I mostly
look for the subject and filter out the opinions. On that
Durham investigation post I stopped reading once I figured out
that this was the subject. I wasn't interested in your opinion
on this subject and only read enough to see which side you were
on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because it
wouldn't do anything to make us safer and isn't likely to
survive a court test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's just
trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are real
reasons to be concerned with foreign ownership of critical
infrastructure, particularly in smaller countries. If someone
who doesn't like you owns seriously critical infrastructure,
they can hold your whole country hostage and charge exorbitant
fees. You know, pretty much the same way Republicans are
holding our whole country hostage.

TB

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

Thank you. I'm glad you can enjoy my twisted sense of humor. I have
been told I need to be careful because I have a very "dry" sense of
humor and some folks take me seriously. :-)

You're....ummm....like....welcome? However comma I allege that whoever
told you that metric uniquely possibly had an inefficacious
hygrometer. My own pseudoscientific at-a-distance observations
indicate that it's not just dry - it's desiccated.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:59:59 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/27/2023 11:05 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 4:49:38 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 12:14 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more likely to cause problems than people who were born here, unless you want to count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb.

"Since 1991, American families have adopted more than 60,000 Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't allowed to own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give birth in the U.S. every year so that their kids are born American citizens, according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead of the >>>> government associated foreign national the bill targets. Oh yeah,
lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause problems, no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people become safe. If they get permanent resident status the dangerous people automatically become safe. I don't think it would be difficult for anyone to find a safe dummy buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party or >>>> any official or member of either group.
2. Any other political party or member of a political party or a
subdivision of a political party in the People’s Republic of China. >>>> 3. A partnership, association, corporation, organization or any
other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its >>>> principal place of business in the People’s Republic of China or a >>>> subsidiary of such entity.
4. Any person who is domiciled in the People’s Republic of China and >>>> is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States. >>>> 5. Any person, entity or collection of persons or entities described >>>> in subparagraphs 1 through 4 as having a controlling interest in a
partnership, association, corporation, organization, trust or any other >>>> legal entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning real
property in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring bft. He likes to argue and he's having problems finding playmates. This all comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I figure that, once they know the facts everyone will figure out

their own opinion regardless of what I might say here. Here opinions are just a game. Which reminds me. I don't know who you are posting for, but, if it's me you could save yourself a lot of work if you cut down on the number of words you use. Yes fans,
I do get the irony in this. All of my fans know I like to use a lot of words, but I'm mostly posting for myself, so I don't care how much of it anyone reads. I'm just a compulsive writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just like you here in the past. Back in the day we would have at least half a dozen people who didn't sound all that different from you posting all day, every day. In effect, I have already read

your posts many times. I tired of that a long time ago. This group is still an excellent place to find out what's bouncing around in the far right echo chamber. But, for you I mostly look for the subject and filter out the opinions. On that Durham
investigation post I stopped reading once I figured out that this was the subject. I wasn't interested in your opinion on this subject and only read enough to see which side you were on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because it wouldn't do anything to make us safer and isn't likely to survive a court test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's just trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are real reasons to be concerned with foreign ownership of critical infrastructure, particularly in smaller countries. If someone who doesn't like you owns seriously critical infrastructure, they

can hold your whole country hostage and charge exorbitant fees. You know, pretty much the same way Republicans are holding our whole country hostage.

TB

Just another cowardly leftist.

Oh my, aren't we the brave one? Personally I don't think there's any bravery involved in slacktivism on a nearly dead Usenet group. I think it would be more accurate if you thought of me as a looney and lazy leftie. For me this group is a lot like a

video game. I get to choose which sections of the game I play

Just in case there is anyone here who is so dense that they missed it: Desaintless is trolling to send a message to the magarats. His message is that the current administration is weak and they aren't doing enough to protect you. You need a strong

young leader who isn't afraid to stand up to the forces of evil who want to lead you into chaos. It isn't meant to be a real law. It's just part of his presidential campaign.

Annnnnnd, another troll just to point to all the dancing. No one has explained why we need to prevent people who were born in Cuba from owning farm land within 10 miles of a sewage plant. If anything, all I expect is more dancing. lqtm

TB

So, I guess you were lying when you said you weren't interested. I
believe that means you're a coward, AND a liar. Thanks!

I'm sorry. After all these years you would think I would have learned how to speak to absolutists. What I should have said it that I wasn't interested enough and didn't care enough to spend a lot of time studying that law. I did take a look at it.
It's deliberately intended to be a big hairball. That way Desaintless can claim he's just misunderstood. The same way he says it's a misunderstanding that he ban books. He only bans the woke ones. It isn't intended to be a real law because it isn't
enforceable and the Florida Fascist knows this. He will enjoy the court battle. From his point of view he wins when he loses in court. It would be silly to spend a lot of time studying this thing because it's just a campaign document. There will be many
more from all sides. I have better ways to spend my time.

TB

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On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 8:32:18 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:

Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:59:59 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/27/2023 11:05 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 4:49:38 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 12:14 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more likely to >>>>>>> cause problems than people who were born here, unless you want to >>>>>>> count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb.

"Since 1991, American families have adopted more than 60,000
Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't allowed to own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give birth in >>>>>>> the U.S. every year so that their kids are born American citizens, >>>>>>> according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead of the >>>>>> government associated foreign national the bill targets. Oh yeah, >>>>>> lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause problems, >>>>>>> no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people become safe. >>>>>>> If they get permanent resident status the dangerous people
automatically become safe. I don't think it would be difficult for >>>>>>> anyone to find a safe dummy buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party or >>>>>> any official or member of either group.
2. Any other political party or member of a political party or a >>>>>> subdivision of a political party in the People’s Republic of China. >>>>>> 3. A partnership, association, corporation, organization or any >>>>>> other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its
principal place of business in the People’s Republic of China or a >>>>>> subsidiary of such entity.
4. Any person who is domiciled in the People’s Republic of China and
is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States. >>>>>> 5. Any person, entity or collection of persons or entities described >>>>>> in subparagraphs 1 through 4 as having a controlling interest in a >>>>>> partnership, association, corporation, organization, trust or any other
legal entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning real >>>>>> property in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring bft. He >>>>> likes to argue and he's having problems finding playmates. This all >>>>> comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I figure that, once >>>>> they know the facts everyone will figure out their own opinion
regardless of what I might say here. Here opinions are just a game. >>>>> Which reminds me. I don't know who you are posting for, but, if it's >>>>> me you could save yourself a lot of work if you cut down on the
number of words you use. Yes fans, I do get the irony in this. All of >>>>> my fans know I like to use a lot of words, but I'm mostly posting for >>>>> myself, so I don't care how much of it anyone reads. I'm just a compulsive writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just like you here >>>>> in the past. Back in the day we would have at least half a dozen
people who didn't sound all that different from you posting all day, >>>>> every day. In effect, I have already read your posts many times. I >>>>> tired of that a long time ago. This group is still an excellent place >>>>> to find out what's bouncing around in the far right echo chamber. >>>>> But, for you I mostly look for the subject and filter out the
opinions. On that Durham investigation post I stopped reading once I >>>>> figured out that this was the subject. I wasn't interested in your >>>>> opinion on this subject and only read enough to see which side you were on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because it wouldn't >>>>> do anything to make us safer and isn't likely to survive a court
test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's just trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are real reasons >>>>> to be concerned with foreign ownership of critical infrastructure, >>>>> particularly in smaller countries. If someone who doesn't like you >>>>> owns seriously critical infrastructure, they can hold your whole
country hostage and charge exorbitant fees. You know, pretty much the >>>>> same way Republicans are holding our whole country hostage.

TB

Just another cowardly leftist.

Oh my, aren't we the brave one? Personally I don't think there's any
bravery involved in slacktivism on a nearly dead Usenet group. I think >>> it would be more accurate if you thought of me as a looney and lazy
leftie. For me this group is a lot like a video game. I get to choose >>> which sections of the game I play

Just in case there is anyone here who is so dense that they missed it: >>> Desaintless is trolling to send a message to the magarats. His message >>> is that the current administration is weak and they aren't doing enough >>> to protect you. You need a strong young leader who isn't afraid to
stand up to the forces of evil who want to lead you into chaos. It
isn't meant to be a real law. It's just part of his presidential campaign.

Annnnnnd, another troll just to point to all the dancing. No one has
explained why we need to prevent people who were born in Cuba from
owning farm land within 10 miles of a sewage plant. If anything, all I >>> expect is more dancing. lqtm

TB

So, I guess you were lying when you said you weren't interested. I
believe that means you're a coward, AND a liar. Thanks!

I'm sorry. After all these years you would think I would have
learned how to speak to absolutists. What I should have said it that I wasn't interested enough and didn't care enough to spend a lot of time studying that law. I did take a look at it. It's deliberately intended to be a big hairball. That way Desaintless can claim he's just
misunderstood. The same way he says it's a misunderstanding that he ban books. He only bans the woke ones. It isn't intended to be a real law because it isn't enforceable and the Florida Fascist knows this. He will enjoy the court battle. From his point of view he wins when he loses in court. It would be silly to spend a lot of time studying this thing because it's just a campaign document. There will be many more from all sides. I have better ways to spend my time.

TB

So why did you spend time here denouncing it?

--
Liberals suffer from cognitive dissonance. They know their political views are wrong but they stick with them anyway.

I keep saying it and you keep not hearing it. I am here for my own amazement and amusement.

TB

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Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:59:59 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/27/2023 11:05 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 4:49:38 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 12:14 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more likely to >>>>>>> cause problems than people who were born here, unless you want to >>>>>>> count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb.

"Since 1991, American families have adopted more than 60,000
Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't allowed to own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give birth in >>>>>>> the U.S. every year so that their kids are born American citizens, >>>>>>> according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead of the >>>>>> government associated foreign national the bill targets. Oh yeah,
lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause problems, >>>>>>> no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people become safe. >>>>>>> If they get permanent resident status the dangerous people
automatically become safe. I don't think it would be difficult for >>>>>>> anyone to find a safe dummy buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party or >>>>>> any official or member of either group.
2. Any other political party or member of a political party or a
subdivision of a political party in the People’s Republic of China. >>>>>> 3. A partnership, association, corporation, organization or any
other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its >>>>>> principal place of business in the People’s Republic of China or a >>>>>> subsidiary of such entity.
4. Any person who is domiciled in the People’s Republic of China and >>>>>> is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States. >>>>>> 5. Any person, entity or collection of persons or entities described >>>>>> in subparagraphs 1 through 4 as having a controlling interest in a >>>>>> partnership, association, corporation, organization, trust or any other >>>>>> legal entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning real
property in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring bft. He >>>>> likes to argue and he's having problems finding playmates. This all
comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I figure that, once
they know the facts everyone will figure out their own opinion
regardless of what I might say here. Here opinions are just a game.
Which reminds me. I don't know who you are posting for, but, if it's >>>>> me you could save yourself a lot of work if you cut down on the
number of words you use. Yes fans, I do get the irony in this. All of >>>>> my fans know I like to use a lot of words, but I'm mostly posting for >>>>> myself, so I don't care how much of it anyone reads. I'm just a compulsive writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just like you here >>>>> in the past. Back in the day we would have at least half a dozen
people who didn't sound all that different from you posting all day, >>>>> every day. In effect, I have already read your posts many times. I
tired of that a long time ago. This group is still an excellent place >>>>> to find out what's bouncing around in the far right echo chamber.
But, for you I mostly look for the subject and filter out the
opinions. On that Durham investigation post I stopped reading once I >>>>> figured out that this was the subject. I wasn't interested in your
opinion on this subject and only read enough to see which side you were on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because it wouldn't >>>>> do anything to make us safer and isn't likely to survive a court
test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's just trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are real reasons >>>>> to be concerned with foreign ownership of critical infrastructure,
particularly in smaller countries. If someone who doesn't like you
owns seriously critical infrastructure, they can hold your whole
country hostage and charge exorbitant fees. You know, pretty much the >>>>> same way Republicans are holding our whole country hostage.

TB

Just another cowardly leftist.

Oh my, aren't we the brave one? Personally I don't think there's any
bravery involved in slacktivism on a nearly dead Usenet group. I think
it would be more accurate if you thought of me as a looney and lazy
leftie. For me this group is a lot like a video game. I get to choose
which sections of the game I play

Just in case there is anyone here who is so dense that they missed it:
Desaintless is trolling to send a message to the magarats. His message
is that the current administration is weak and they aren't doing enough
to protect you. You need a strong young leader who isn't afraid to
stand up to the forces of evil who want to lead you into chaos. It
isn't meant to be a real law. It's just part of his presidential campaign. >>>
Annnnnnd, another troll just to point to all the dancing. No one has
explained why we need to prevent people who were born in Cuba from
owning farm land within 10 miles of a sewage plant. If anything, all I
expect is more dancing. lqtm

TB

So, I guess you were lying when you said you weren't interested. I
believe that means you're a coward, AND a liar. Thanks!

I'm sorry. After all these years you would think I would have
learned how to speak to absolutists. What I should have said it that I
wasn't interested enough and didn't care enough to spend a lot of time studying that law. I did take a look at it. It's deliberately intended to
be a big hairball. That way Desaintless can claim he's just
misunderstood. The same way he says it's a misunderstanding that he ban books. He only bans the woke ones. It isn't intended to be a real law
because it isn't enforceable and the Florida Fascist knows this. He will enjoy the court battle. From his point of view he wins when he loses in court. It would be silly to spend a lot of time studying this thing
because it's just a campaign document. There will be many more from all sides. I have better ways to spend my time.

TB

So why did you spend time here denouncing it?

--
Liberals suffer from cognitive dissonance. They know their political views
are wrong but they stick with them anyway.

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Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 8:32:18 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:

Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:59:59 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/27/2023 11:05 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 4:49:38 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 12:14 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more likely to >>>>>>>>> cause problems than people who were born here, unless you want to >>>>>>>>> count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb.

"Since 1991, American families have adopted more than 60,000 >>>>>>>>> Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't allowed to own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give birth in >>>>>>>>> the U.S. every year so that their kids are born American citizens, >>>>>>>>> according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead of the >>>>>>>> government associated foreign national the bill targets. Oh yeah, >>>>>>>> lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause problems, >>>>>>>>> no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people become safe. >>>>>>>>> If they get permanent resident status the dangerous people
automatically become safe. I don't think it would be difficult for >>>>>>>>> anyone to find a safe dummy buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party or >>>>>>>> any official or member of either group.
2. Any other political party or member of a political party or a >>>>>>>> subdivision of a political party in the People’s Republic of China. >>>>>>>> 3. A partnership, association, corporation, organization or any >>>>>>>> other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its >>>>>>>> principal place of business in the People’s Republic of China or a >>>>>>>> subsidiary of such entity.
4. Any person who is domiciled in the People’s Republic of China and >>>>>>>> is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States. >>>>>>>> 5. Any person, entity or collection of persons or entities described >>>>>>>> in subparagraphs 1 through 4 as having a controlling interest in a >>>>>>>> partnership, association, corporation, organization, trust or any other
legal entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning real >>>>>>>> property in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring bft. He >>>>>>> likes to argue and he's having problems finding playmates. This all >>>>>>> comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I figure that, once >>>>>>> they know the facts everyone will figure out their own opinion
regardless of what I might say here. Here opinions are just a game. >>>>>>> Which reminds me. I don't know who you are posting for, but, if it's >>>>>>> me you could save yourself a lot of work if you cut down on the
number of words you use. Yes fans, I do get the irony in this. All of >>>>>>> my fans know I like to use a lot of words, but I'm mostly posting for >>>>>>> myself, so I don't care how much of it anyone reads. I'm just a compulsive writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just like you here >>>>>>> in the past. Back in the day we would have at least half a dozen >>>>>>> people who didn't sound all that different from you posting all day, >>>>>>> every day. In effect, I have already read your posts many times. I >>>>>>> tired of that a long time ago. This group is still an excellent place >>>>>>> to find out what's bouncing around in the far right echo chamber. >>>>>>> But, for you I mostly look for the subject and filter out the
opinions. On that Durham investigation post I stopped reading once I >>>>>>> figured out that this was the subject. I wasn't interested in your >>>>>>> opinion on this subject and only read enough to see which side you were on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because it wouldn't >>>>>>> do anything to make us safer and isn't likely to survive a court >>>>>>> test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's just trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are real reasons >>>>>>> to be concerned with foreign ownership of critical infrastructure, >>>>>>> particularly in smaller countries. If someone who doesn't like you >>>>>>> owns seriously critical infrastructure, they can hold your whole >>>>>>> country hostage and charge exorbitant fees. You know, pretty much the >>>>>>> same way Republicans are holding our whole country hostage.

TB

Just another cowardly leftist.

Oh my, aren't we the brave one? Personally I don't think there's any >>>>> bravery involved in slacktivism on a nearly dead Usenet group. I think >>>>> it would be more accurate if you thought of me as a looney and lazy
leftie. For me this group is a lot like a video game. I get to choose >>>>> which sections of the game I play

Just in case there is anyone here who is so dense that they missed it: >>>>> Desaintless is trolling to send a message to the magarats. His message >>>>> is that the current administration is weak and they aren't doing enough >>>>> to protect you. You need a strong young leader who isn't afraid to
stand up to the forces of evil who want to lead you into chaos. It
isn't meant to be a real law. It's just part of his presidential campaign.

Annnnnnd, another troll just to point to all the dancing. No one has >>>>> explained why we need to prevent people who were born in Cuba from
owning farm land within 10 miles of a sewage plant. If anything, all I >>>>> expect is more dancing. lqtm

TB

So, I guess you were lying when you said you weren't interested. I
believe that means you're a coward, AND a liar. Thanks!

I'm sorry. After all these years you would think I would have
learned how to speak to absolutists. What I should have said it that I
wasn't interested enough and didn't care enough to spend a lot of time
studying that law. I did take a look at it. It's deliberately intended to >>> be a big hairball. That way Desaintless can claim he's just
misunderstood. The same way he says it's a misunderstanding that he ban
books. He only bans the woke ones. It isn't intended to be a real law
because it isn't enforceable and the Florida Fascist knows this. He will >>> enjoy the court battle. From his point of view he wins when he loses in
court. It would be silly to spend a lot of time studying this thing
because it's just a campaign document. There will be many more from all
sides. I have better ways to spend my time.

TB

So why did you spend time here denouncing it?

--
Liberals suffer from cognitive dissonance. They know their political views >> are wrong but they stick with them anyway.

I keep saying it and you keep not hearing it. I am here for my own amazement and amusement.

TB

But but but, you said “I have better ways to spend my time” - The Artful Dodger. You remind me of people who say they “could care less” . I wonder why they don’t.


--
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are wrong but they stick with them anyway.

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On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 12:05:08 PM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:

Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 8:32:18 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:

Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:59:59 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/27/2023 11:05 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 4:49:38 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 12:14 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more likely to >>>>>>>>> cause problems than people who were born here, unless you want to >>>>>>>>> count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb. >>>>>>>>> "Since 1991, American families have adopted more than 60,000 >>>>>>>>> Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't allowed to own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give birth in >>>>>>>>> the U.S. every year so that their kids are born American citizens, >>>>>>>>> according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead of the
government associated foreign national the bill targets. Oh yeah, >>>>>>>> lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause problems, >>>>>>>>> no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people become safe. >>>>>>>>> If they get permanent resident status the dangerous people >>>>>>>>> automatically become safe. I don't think it would be difficult for >>>>>>>>> anyone to find a safe dummy buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party or >>>>>>>> any official or member of either group.
2. Any other political party or member of a political party or a >>>>>>>> subdivision of a political party in the People’s Republic of China.
3. A partnership, association, corporation, organization or any >>>>>>>> other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its
principal place of business in the People’s Republic of China or a
subsidiary of such entity.
4. Any person who is domiciled in the People’s Republic of China and
is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States. >>>>>>>> 5. Any person, entity or collection of persons or entities described
in subparagraphs 1 through 4 as having a controlling interest in a >>>>>>>> partnership, association, corporation, organization, trust or any other
legal entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning real >>>>>>>> property in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF> >>>>>>>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring bft. He
likes to argue and he's having problems finding playmates. This all >>>>>>> comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I figure that, once >>>>>>> they know the facts everyone will figure out their own opinion >>>>>>> regardless of what I might say here. Here opinions are just a game. >>>>>>> Which reminds me. I don't know who you are posting for, but, if it's >>>>>>> me you could save yourself a lot of work if you cut down on the >>>>>>> number of words you use. Yes fans, I do get the irony in this. All of
my fans know I like to use a lot of words, but I'm mostly posting for
myself, so I don't care how much of it anyone reads. I'm just a compulsive writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just like you here
in the past. Back in the day we would have at least half a dozen >>>>>>> people who didn't sound all that different from you posting all day, >>>>>>> every day. In effect, I have already read your posts many times. I >>>>>>> tired of that a long time ago. This group is still an excellent place
to find out what's bouncing around in the far right echo chamber. >>>>>>> But, for you I mostly look for the subject and filter out the >>>>>>> opinions. On that Durham investigation post I stopped reading once I >>>>>>> figured out that this was the subject. I wasn't interested in your >>>>>>> opinion on this subject and only read enough to see which side you were on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because it wouldn't
do anything to make us safer and isn't likely to survive a court >>>>>>> test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's just trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are real reasons
to be concerned with foreign ownership of critical infrastructure, >>>>>>> particularly in smaller countries. If someone who doesn't like you >>>>>>> owns seriously critical infrastructure, they can hold your whole >>>>>>> country hostage and charge exorbitant fees. You know, pretty much the
same way Republicans are holding our whole country hostage.

TB

Just another cowardly leftist.

Oh my, aren't we the brave one? Personally I don't think there's any >>>>> bravery involved in slacktivism on a nearly dead Usenet group. I think >>>>> it would be more accurate if you thought of me as a looney and lazy >>>>> leftie. For me this group is a lot like a video game. I get to choose >>>>> which sections of the game I play

Just in case there is anyone here who is so dense that they missed it: >>>>> Desaintless is trolling to send a message to the magarats. His message >>>>> is that the current administration is weak and they aren't doing enough
to protect you. You need a strong young leader who isn't afraid to >>>>> stand up to the forces of evil who want to lead you into chaos. It >>>>> isn't meant to be a real law. It's just part of his presidential campaign.

Annnnnnd, another troll just to point to all the dancing. No one has >>>>> explained why we need to prevent people who were born in Cuba from >>>>> owning farm land within 10 miles of a sewage plant. If anything, all I >>>>> expect is more dancing. lqtm

TB

So, I guess you were lying when you said you weren't interested. I
believe that means you're a coward, AND a liar. Thanks!

I'm sorry. After all these years you would think I would have
learned how to speak to absolutists. What I should have said it that I >>> wasn't interested enough and didn't care enough to spend a lot of time >>> studying that law. I did take a look at it. It's deliberately intended to
be a big hairball. That way Desaintless can claim he's just
misunderstood. The same way he says it's a misunderstanding that he ban >>> books. He only bans the woke ones. It isn't intended to be a real law >>> because it isn't enforceable and the Florida Fascist knows this. He will >>> enjoy the court battle. From his point of view he wins when he loses in >>> court. It would be silly to spend a lot of time studying this thing
because it's just a campaign document. There will be many more from all >>> sides. I have better ways to spend my time.

TB

So why did you spend time here denouncing it?

--
Liberals suffer from cognitive dissonance. They know their political views
are wrong but they stick with them anyway.

I keep saying it and you keep not hearing it. I am here for my own amazement and amusement.

TB

But but but, you said “I have better ways to spend my time” - The Artful Dodger. You remind me of people who say they “could care less” . I wonder
why they don’t.
--
Liberals suffer from cognitive dissonance. They know their political views are wrong but they stick with them anyway.

Freakin' GOD DAMN. You absolutists are difficult to talk to and I 'm about ready stop trying. I have better things to do than study that law and I thought I made that clear to all but the most dense. It's a dumb law and doesn't need to be studied.
I am absolutely certain that you haven't even glanced at it. As it turns out I have plenty of time to make fun of the crazies.

TB

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On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 5:24:15 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 12:41:11 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, sticks
wrote:

On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more
likely to cause problems than people who were born here,
unless you want to count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb.

"Since 1991, American families have adopted more than
60,000 Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't
allowed to own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give
birth in the U.S. every year so that their kids are born
American citizens, according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead
of the government associated foreign national the bill
targets. Oh yeah, lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause
problems, no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people
become safe. If they get permanent resident status the
dangerous people automatically become safe. I don't think
it would be difficult for anyone to find a safe dummy
buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese
Communist Party or any official or member of either group. 2.
Any other political party or member of a political party or a
subdivision of a political party in the People’s
Republic of China. 3. A partnership, association,
corporation, organization or any other combination of persons
organized under the laws of or having its principal place of
business in the People’s Republic of China or a
subsidiary of such entity. 4. Any person who is domiciled in
the People’s Republic of China and is not a citizen or >>>> lawful permanent resident of the United States. 5. Any
person, entity or collection of persons or entities described
in subparagraphs 1 through 4 as having a controlling interest
in a partnership, association, corporation, organization,
trust or any other legal entity or subsidiary formed for the
purpose of owning real property in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring
bft. He likes to argue and he's having problems finding
playmates.

LOL!......no, wait.........at the end of the day going forward,
that's literally a ROTFLOL! and a HAWHAWHAW!

This all comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I figure
that, once they know the facts everyone will figure out their
own opinion regardless of what I might say here. Here opinions
are just a game. Which reminds me. I don't know who you are
posting for, but, if it's me you could save yourself a lot of
work if you cut down on the number of words you use. Yes fans,
I do get the irony in this. All of my fans know I like to use a
lot of words, but I'm mostly posting for myself, so I don't
care how much of it anyone reads. I'm just a compulsive
writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just like
you here in the past. Back in the day we would have at least
half a dozen people who didn't sound all that different from
you posting all day, every day. In effect, I have already read
your posts many times. I tired of that a long time ago. This
group is still an excellent place to find out what's bouncing
around in the far right echo chamber. But, for you I mostly
look for the subject and filter out the opinions. On that
Durham investigation post I stopped reading once I figured out
that this was the subject. I wasn't interested in your opinion
on this subject and only read enough to see which side you were
on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because it
wouldn't do anything to make us safer and isn't likely to
survive a court test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's just
trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are real
reasons to be concerned with foreign ownership of critical
infrastructure, particularly in smaller countries. If someone
who doesn't like you owns seriously critical infrastructure,
they can hold your whole country hostage and charge exorbitant
fees. You know, pretty much the same way Republicans are
holding our whole country hostage.

TB

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

Thank you. I'm glad you can enjoy my twisted sense of humor. I have
been told I need to be careful because I have a very "dry" sense of
humor and some folks take me seriously. :-)

You're....ummm....like....welcome? However comma I allege that whoever
told you that metric uniquely possibly had an inefficacious
hygrometer. My own pseudoscientific at-a-distance observations
indicate that it's not just dry - it's desiccated.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

It might help you to understand if you pay more attention to the "weasel" words I frequently use. Or maybe not. I mostly use use mostly because I am not an absolutist. I'm frequently mostly this way or mostly that way. But I am often a bit the
other way too. I am frequently several different directions all at once.

TB

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 5:24:15 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 12:41:11 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7,
sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are
more likely to cause problems than people who were born
here, unless you want to count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this
dumb.

"Since 1991, American families have adopted more than
60,000 Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't
allowed to own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to
give birth in the U.S. every year so that their kids
are born American citizens, according to experts in the
industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners
instead of the government associated foreign national the
bill targets. Oh yeah, lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not
cause problems, no matter how long they lived in
China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people
become safe. If they get permanent resident status the
dangerous people automatically become safe. I don't
think it would be difficult for anyone to find a safe
dummy buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the
Chinese Communist Party or any official or member of
either group. 2. Any other political party or member of a
political party or a subdivision of a political party in
the People’s Republic of China. 3. A
partnership, association, corporation, organization or
any other combination of persons organized under the laws
of or having its principal place of business in the
People’s Republic of China or a >>>>>> subsidiary of such entity. 4. Any person who is domiciled
in the People’s Republic of China and is
not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United
States. 5. Any person, entity or collection of persons or
entities described in subparagraphs 1 through 4 as having
a controlling interest in a partnership, association,
corporation, organization, trust or any other legal
entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning
real property in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring

bft. He likes to argue and he's having problems finding
playmates.

LOL!......no, wait.........at the end of the day going
forward, that's literally a ROTFLOL! and a HAWHAWHAW!

This all comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I
figure that, once they know the facts everyone will figure
out their own opinion regardless of what I might say here.
Here opinions are just a game. Which reminds me. I don't
know who you are posting for, but, if it's me you could
save yourself a lot of work if you cut down on the number
of words you use. Yes fans, I do get the irony in this. All
of my fans know I like to use a lot of words, but I'm
mostly posting for myself, so I don't care how much of it
anyone reads. I'm just a compulsive writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just
like you here in the past. Back in the day we would have at
least half a dozen people who didn't sound all that
different from you posting all day, every day. In effect, I
have already read your posts many times. I tired of that a
long time ago. This group is still an excellent place to
find out what's bouncing around in the far right echo
chamber. But, for you I mostly look for the subject and
filter out the opinions. On that Durham investigation post
I stopped reading once I figured out that this was the
subject. I wasn't interested in your opinion on this
subject and only read enough to see which side you were
on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because
it wouldn't do anything to make us safer and isn't likely
to survive a court test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's
just trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are
real reasons to be concerned with foreign ownership of
critical infrastructure, particularly in smaller countries.
If someone who doesn't like you owns seriously critical
infrastructure, they can hold your whole country hostage
and charge exorbitant fees. You know, pretty much the same
way Republicans are holding our whole country hostage.

TB

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

Thank you. I'm glad you can enjoy my twisted sense of humor. I
have been told I need to be careful because I have a very "dry"
sense of humor and some folks take me seriously. :-)

You're....ummm....like....welcome? However comma I allege that
whoever told you that metric uniquely possibly had an
inefficacious hygrometer. My own pseudoscientific at-a-distance
observations indicate that it's not just dry - it's desiccated.
-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

It might help you to understand if you pay more attention to the
"weasel" words I frequently use. Or maybe not. I mostly use use
mostly because I am not an absolutist. I'm frequently mostly this
way or mostly that way. But I am often a bit the other way too. I
am frequently several different directions all at once.

uh huh.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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On 5/28/2023 5:48 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

It might help you to understand if you pay more attention to the "weasel" words I frequently use. Or maybe not. I mostly use use mostly because I am not an absolutist. I'm frequently mostly this way or mostly that way. But I am often a bit the

other way too. I am frequently several different directions all at once.

I think that's his long way of saying he's twisted.

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Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 12:05:08 PM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:

Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 8:32:18 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:

Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:59:59 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/27/2023 11:05 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 4:49:38 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:

On 5/26/2023 12:14 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2023 10:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yep. There isn't anything to suggest that they are more likely to >>>>>>>>>>> cause problems than people who were born here, unless you want to >>>>>>>>>>> count your xenophobia.

Hard to see how even a leftist can say something this dumb. >>>>>>>>>>> "Since 1991, American families have adopted more than 60,000 >>>>>>>>>>> Chinese babies, almost all of them girls"

Those are obviously dangerous people. They shouldn't allowed to own anything.

"Thousands of Chinese parents-to-be make the trip to give birth in >>>>>>>>>>> the U.S. every year so that their kids are born American citizens, >>>>>>>>>>> according to experts in the industry."

I don't know why you deceptively talk about commoners instead of the >>>>>>>>>> government associated foreign national the bill targets. Oh yeah, >>>>>>>>>> lefties lie.

Hey, they were born here. They obviously will not cause problems, >>>>>>>>>>> no matter how long they lived in China.

If they become American citizens the dangerous people become safe. >>>>>>>>>>> If they get permanent resident status the dangerous people >>>>>>>>>>> automatically become safe. I don't think it would be difficult for >>>>>>>>>>> anyone to find a safe dummy buyer.

Here are the targeted groups. Seems logical to me.

1. The People’s Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party or >>>>>>>>>> any official or member of either group.
2. Any other political party or member of a political party or a >>>>>>>>>> subdivision of a political party in the People’s Republic of China.
3. A partnership, association, corporation, organization or any >>>>>>>>>> other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its
principal place of business in the People’s Republic of China or a >>>>>>>>>> subsidiary of such entity.
4. Any person who is domiciled in the People’s Republic of China and
is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States. >>>>>>>>>> 5. Any person, entity or collection of persons or entities described >>>>>>>>>> in subparagraphs 1 through 4 as having a controlling interest in a >>>>>>>>>> partnership, association, corporation, organization, trust or any other
legal entity or subsidiary formed for the purpose of owning real >>>>>>>>>> property in Florida.


Maybe you should read the actual bill.

<https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/264/BillText/er/PDF> >>>>>>>>>

Yawn, I'm really not all that interested. I'm mostly humoring bft. He >>>>>>>>> likes to argue and he's having problems finding playmates. This all >>>>>>>>> comes down to why I prefer facts to opinions. I figure that, once >>>>>>>>> they know the facts everyone will figure out their own opinion >>>>>>>>> regardless of what I might say here. Here opinions are just a game. >>>>>>>>> Which reminds me. I don't know who you are posting for, but, if it's >>>>>>>>> me you could save yourself a lot of work if you cut down on the >>>>>>>>> number of words you use. Yes fans, I do get the irony in this. All of >>>>>>>>> my fans know I like to use a lot of words, but I'm mostly posting for >>>>>>>>> myself, so I don't care how much of it anyone reads. I'm just a compulsive writer.

But, here's the thing. There have been many people just like you here >>>>>>>>> in the past. Back in the day we would have at least half a dozen >>>>>>>>> people who didn't sound all that different from you posting all day, >>>>>>>>> every day. In effect, I have already read your posts many times. I >>>>>>>>> tired of that a long time ago. This group is still an excellent place >>>>>>>>> to find out what's bouncing around in the far right echo chamber. >>>>>>>>> But, for you I mostly look for the subject and filter out the >>>>>>>>> opinions. On that Durham investigation post I stopped reading once I >>>>>>>>> figured out that this was the subject. I wasn't interested in your >>>>>>>>> opinion on this subject and only read enough to see which side you were on.

This is a particularly silly thing to argue about because it wouldn't >>>>>>>>> do anything to make us safer and isn't likely to survive a court >>>>>>>>> test. Desantis doesn't really care. He's just trolling.

You dweebs are really missing the big picture. There are real reasons >>>>>>>>> to be concerned with foreign ownership of critical infrastructure, >>>>>>>>> particularly in smaller countries. If someone who doesn't like you >>>>>>>>> owns seriously critical infrastructure, they can hold your whole >>>>>>>>> country hostage and charge exorbitant fees. You know, pretty much the >>>>>>>>> same way Republicans are holding our whole country hostage.

TB

Just another cowardly leftist.

Oh my, aren't we the brave one? Personally I don't think there's any >>>>>>> bravery involved in slacktivism on a nearly dead Usenet group. I think >>>>>>> it would be more accurate if you thought of me as a looney and lazy >>>>>>> leftie. For me this group is a lot like a video game. I get to choose >>>>>>> which sections of the game I play

Just in case there is anyone here who is so dense that they missed it: >>>>>>> Desaintless is trolling to send a message to the magarats. His message >>>>>>> is that the current administration is weak and they aren't doing enough >>>>>>> to protect you. You need a strong young leader who isn't afraid to >>>>>>> stand up to the forces of evil who want to lead you into chaos. It >>>>>>> isn't meant to be a real law. It's just part of his presidential campaign.

Annnnnnd, another troll just to point to all the dancing. No one has >>>>>>> explained why we need to prevent people who were born in Cuba from >>>>>>> owning farm land within 10 miles of a sewage plant. If anything, all I >>>>>>> expect is more dancing. lqtm

TB

So, I guess you were lying when you said you weren't interested. I >>>>>> believe that means you're a coward, AND a liar. Thanks!

I'm sorry. After all these years you would think I would have
learned how to speak to absolutists. What I should have said it that I >>>>> wasn't interested enough and didn't care enough to spend a lot of time >>>>> studying that law. I did take a look at it. It's deliberately intended to >>>>> be a big hairball. That way Desaintless can claim he's just
misunderstood. The same way he says it's a misunderstanding that he ban >>>>> books. He only bans the woke ones. It isn't intended to be a real law >>>>> because it isn't enforceable and the Florida Fascist knows this. He will >>>>> enjoy the court battle. From his point of view he wins when he loses in >>>>> court. It would be silly to spend a lot of time studying this thing
because it's just a campaign document. There will be many more from all >>>>> sides. I have better ways to spend my time.

TB

So why did you spend time here denouncing it?

--
Liberals suffer from cognitive dissonance. They know their political views >>>> are wrong but they stick with them anyway.

I keep saying it and you keep not hearing it. I am here for my own
amazement and amusement.

TB

But but but, you said “I have better ways to spend my time” - The Artful >> Dodger. You remind me of people who say they “could care less” . I wonder
why they don’t.
--
Liberals suffer from cognitive dissonance. They know their political views >> are wrong but they stick with them anyway.

Freakin' GOD DAMN. You absolutists are difficult to talk to and I
'm about ready stop trying. I have better things to do than study that
law and I thought I made that clear to all but the most dense. It's a
dumb law and doesn't need to be studied. I am absolutely certain that you haven't even glanced at it. As it turns out I have plenty of time to make
fun of the crazies.

TB

Sans the vulgarity, good grief man, you continue to talk about something
you claim you don’t have time to discuss. What a brain addled enigma you
are.

--
Liberals suffer from cognitive dissonance. They know their political views
are wrong but they stick with them anyway.

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