Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for Children
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty blockers
and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott was likely to sign it.
--
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On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for Children
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott was likely to sign it.
--What about with the parents approval? How would that work?
(Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony
wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for ChildrenWhat about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty
blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott
was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban
something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they
aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say
about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for
those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required
those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an unspecified period of time."
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony
wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for ChildrenWhat about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty
blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott
was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they
aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say
about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for
those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required
those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided transgender
medical and/or surgical procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony
wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for ChildrenWhat about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty
blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott
was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they
aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say
about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for
those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required
those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided transgender
medical and/or surgical procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony
wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for ChildrenWhat about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty
blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott
was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban
something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they
aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say
about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for
those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required
those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an >>> unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided transgender
medical and/or surgical procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big surprise. There are a lot of different issues involved. Everyone is a unique individual. Even you. There is no one size fits all answer for everyone.
What I do know is that we do NOT have the right to decide what is right
for others. The extreme last people who should be involved in these very personal decisions are the god damn freaking politicians.
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles Texas and
other states are sending to Oregon and other less judgemental places.
TB
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony
wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for ChildrenWhat about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty
blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott
was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban
something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they
aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say
about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for
those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required
those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an >>> unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided transgender
medical and/or surgical procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
With consent, & doctors, shrinks, concurring, of course! I also agree if the minor is emancipated they can choose... Do you think there are renegade doctors out there, who want to turn little boys into little girls, and vise-versa, sort of likeDr. Frankenstein, dabbling in nature?
Dr. Henry Jekyll Jr.
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:the right to decide what is right for others. The extreme last people who should be involved in these very personal decisions are the god damn freaking politicians.
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony
wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for ChildrenWhat about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty
blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott
was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban
something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they
aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say
about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for
those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required
those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an >>> unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided transgender
medical and/or surgical procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big surprise. There are a lot of different issues involved. Everyone is a unique individual. Even you. There is no one size fits all answer for everyone. What I do know is that we do NOT have
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles Texas and other states are sending to Oregon and other less judgemental places.
Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com >>>> wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony >>>>> wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for ChildrenWhat about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty
blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott
was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban
something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they
aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say
about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for
those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required
those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an >>>> unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided transgender
medical and/or surgical procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big surprise.
There are a lot of different issues involved. Everyone is a unique
individual. Even you. There is no one size fits all answer for everyone.
What I do know is that we do NOT have the right to decide what is right
for others. The extreme last people who should be involved in these very
personal decisions are the god damn freaking politicians.
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles Texas and
other states are sending to Oregon and other less judgemental places.
TB
This is not a difficult question to answer. It’s asking for your opinion. You are either for or against. Like you are either for or against abortion. Claiming it’s the woman’s choice doesn’t give your opinion on the act of
aborting a child. A non answer is cowardice.
On 5/17/2023 11:33 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:right to decide what is right for others. The extreme last people who should be involved in these very personal decisions are the god damn freaking politicians.
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com >>> wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony >>>> wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for ChildrenWhat about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty
blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott
was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban
something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they
aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say
about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for
those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required
those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an
unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided transgender
medical and/or surgical procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big surprise. There are a lot of different issues involved. Everyone is a unique individual. Even you. There is no one size fits all answer for everyone. What I do know is that we do NOT have the
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles Texas and other states are sending to Oregon and other less judgemental places.
We stop minors from smoking and drinking. Yet they can go and get an abortion or life altering physical surgery without their parents
consent? That's fucked up.
Oregon is not "less judgemental." They're leftists in charge and are
using this new cult for political gain. Texas just still has those in
charge looking out for the well being of their children.
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:00:18 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:right to decide what is right for others. The extreme last people who should be involved in these very personal decisions are the god damn freaking politicians.
On 5/17/2023 11:33 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony >>>>>> wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for ChildrenWhat about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty
blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott
was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban
something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they
aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say
about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for
those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required
those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an >>>>> unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided transgender
medical and/or surgical procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big surprise. There are a lot of different issues involved. Everyone is a unique individual. Even you. There is no one size fits all answer for everyone. What I do know is that we do NOT have the
We stop minors from smoking and drinking. Yet they can go and get an
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles Texas and other states are sending to Oregon and other less judgemental places.
abortion or life altering physical surgery without their parents
consent? That's fucked up.
Oregon is not "less judgemental." They're leftists in charge and are
using this new cult for political gain. Texas just still has those in
charge looking out for the well being of their children.
Yeah, forget the parents. Big brother knows what's best for everyone.
On 5/18/2023 7:38 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com >>>> wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony >>>>> wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for ChildrenWhat about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty >>>>>> blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott
was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban
something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they
aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say
about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for
those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required >>>> those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an
unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided transgender
medical and/or surgical procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big surprise.
There are a lot of different issues involved. Everyone is a unique
individual. Even you. There is no one size fits all answer for everyone. >> What I do know is that we do NOT have the right to decide what is right >> for others. The extreme last people who should be involved in these very >> personal decisions are the god damn freaking politicians.
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles Texas and
other states are sending to Oregon and other less judgemental places.
TB
This is not a difficult question to answer. It’s asking for your opinion.
You are either for or against. Like you are either for or against abortion.
Claiming it’s the woman’s choice doesn’t give your opinion on the act of
aborting a child. A non answer is cowardice.
He's probably all in on government forced covid vaccinations though.
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:00:17 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:right" to protect ourselves. That's why we lock up dangerous people. Rights are often in conflict. That's one of the reasons we have higher courts. When I look at Texas the public interest isn't nearly as clear. I don't see the public interest in
On 5/18/2023 7:38 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony >>>>> wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for ChildrenWhat about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty >>>>>> blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott
was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban
something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they >>>> aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say
about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for
those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required >>>> those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an
unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided transgender
medical and/or surgical procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big surprise.
There are a lot of different issues involved. Everyone is a unique
individual. Even you. There is no one size fits all answer for everyone.
What I do know is that we do NOT have the right to decide what is right >> for others. The extreme last people who should be involved in these very
personal decisions are the god damn freaking politicians.
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles Texas and
other states are sending to Oregon and other less judgemental places. >>
TB
This is not a difficult question to answer. It’s asking for your opinion.
You are either for or against. Like you are either for or against abortion.
Claiming it’s the woman’s choice doesn’t give your opinion on the act of
aborting a child. A non answer is cowardice.
He's probably all in on government forced covid vaccinations though.I don't believe in pure black or white answers. No right is absolute.
But, here's the thing: When I look at laws I want to know what the public interest is. What interest does the public at large have in this issue? With inoculations there is any easy answer. Your behavior can affect the public at large. We do have a "
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you are talking about something that is not happening. That was thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any doctor in this country who would perform this sort ofsurgery on a minor. It might be possible to find someone who would do this in some other country. But, even there I suspect you would have to go underground to find a surgeon. In this country adults have to go through a lot of counseling and screening
I know someone who went to Thailand as a young adult. I don't know what the law is there, but I suspect that they don't perform these surgeries on children there either. I think it was a serious mistake for her because she did not get all thecounseling she needed before this was done. It was the right thing for her, but she really needed more education before this was done. It's not exactly cheap, but many people can afford to fly to Thailand and buy whatever they want. The only people who
There is a surgeon just a short drive from my house who specializes in testicles. You have to be able to dot all the 'i's and cross all the 't's before he will operate on you. He doesn't want to lose his license or be sued by former patients.
TB
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:32:37 AM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:00:17 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
On 5/18/2023 7:38 AM, George.Anthony wrote:I don't believe in pure black or white answers. No right is
Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:He's probably all in on government forced covid vaccinations
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh
wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, >>>>>>> film...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, >>>>>>>> George Anthony wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care forWhat about with the parents approval? How would that
Children
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill
banning puberty blockers and hormone treatments for
minors. Gov. Greg Abbott was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature
line)
work?
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're
trying to ban something. There is one small exemption
for some parents. But they aren't really interested in
what parents or doctors have to say about their
children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited
exemption for those transgender children who were
already receiving medical treatment before the
bill’s passage, though it also required those >>>>>>> patients to “wean†themselves off the >>>>>>> medications over an unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided
transgender medical and/or surgical procedures with
parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big
surprise. There are a lot of different issues involved.
Everyone is a unique individual. Even you. There is no one
size fits all answer for everyone. What I do know is that
we do NOT have the right to decide what is right for
others. The extreme last people who should be involved in
these very personal decisions are the god damn freaking
politicians.
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles
Texas and other states are sending to Oregon and other less
judgemental places.
TB
This is not a difficult question to answer. It’s asking for
your opinion. You are either for or against. Like you are
either for or against abortion. Claiming it’s the woman’s >>>> choice doesn’t give your opinion on the act of aborting a
child. A non answer is cowardice.
though.
absolute.
But, here's the thing: When I look at laws I want to know what
the public interest is. What interest does the public at large
have in this issue? With inoculations there is any easy answer.
Your behavior can affect the public at large. We do have a
"right" to protect ourselves. That's why we lock up dangerous
people. Rights are often in conflict. That's one of the reasons
we have higher courts. When I look at Texas the public interest
isn't nearly as clear. I don't see the public interest in
limiting access to properly prescribed medications.
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you
are talking about something that is not happening. That was
thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any
doctor in this country who would perform this sort of surgery on
a minor. It might be possible to find someone who would do this
in some other country. But, even there I suspect you would have
to go underground to find a surgeon. In this country adults have
to go through a lot of counseling and screening before any
surgeon will operate on them.
I know someone who went to Thailand as a young adult. I don't
know what the law is there, but I suspect that they don't perform
these surgeries on children there either. I think it was a
serious mistake for her because she did not get all the
counseling she needed before this was done. It was the right
thing for her, but she really needed more education before this
was done. It's not exactly cheap, but many people can afford to
fly to Thailand and buy whatever they want. The only people who
will be affected by this law will be the people who can't afford
to go around it.
There is a surgeon just a short drive from my house who
specializes in testicles. You have to be able to dot all the 'i's
and cross all the 't's before he will operate on you. He doesn't
want to lose his license or be sued by former patients.
TB
I should have added that "informed consent" is very important toWell then.....look. At the end of the end of the day going forward,
the doctors and lawyers. You can't just sign a simple form that
says you understand what is happening and give your consent. If you
do that the lawyers can come back and say "how do we know it was
_really_ *"informed"* consent. To be safe you have to screen
patients because you just can't take their word alone for anything,
AND you make sure that the person is *extremely* well informed on
this subject. Stuff like, "what are your expectations?" And "this
is what we know about people who have gone through this
experience." That takes a while. BUT, it gives the doctors some
ethical and legal protection. For reasons that should be obvious,
the people who do the screening and counselling are not part of the surgeon's office. The doctor's office just makes sure the forms are properly filled out and the signatures are valid.
what we literally need is a woke organization called Planned
Genderhood to take care of that....like...pesky legalish redtapey stuff.
Our friend was fortunate. Here in Oregon she was able to have most
of the counseling and surgery done under her mother's health
insurance because that was considered a medical condition and she
was under 25.. If she wants additional surgery she would probably
have to pay for it herself, because cosmetic surgery is usually
considered an elective procedure.
TB
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:32:37 AM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:00:17 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
On 5/18/2023 7:38 AM, George.Anthony wrote:I don't believe in pure black or white answers. No right is
Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:He's probably all in on government forced covid vaccinations
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh
wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7,
film...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7,
George Anthony wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care forWhat about with the parents approval? How would that
Children
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill
banning puberty blockers and hormone treatments for
minors. Gov. Greg Abbott was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature
line)
work?
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're
trying to ban something. There is one small exemption
for some parents. But they aren't really interested in
what parents or doctors have to say about their
children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited
exemption for those transgender children who were
already receiving medical treatment before the
bill’s passage, though it also required those
patients to “wean†themselves off the
medications over an unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided
transgender medical and/or surgical procedures with
parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big
surprise. There are a lot of different issues involved.
Everyone is a unique individual. Even you. There is no one
size fits all answer for everyone. What I do know is that
we do NOT have the right to decide what is right for
others. The extreme last people who should be involved in
these very personal decisions are the god damn freaking
politicians.
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles
Texas and other states are sending to Oregon and other less
judgemental places.
TB
This is not a difficult question to answer. It’s asking for
your opinion. You are either for or against. Like you are
either for or against abortion. Claiming it’s the woman’s >>>> choice doesn’t give your opinion on the act of aborting a
child. A non answer is cowardice.
though.
absolute.
But, here's the thing: When I look at laws I want to know what
the public interest is. What interest does the public at large
have in this issue? With inoculations there is any easy answer.
Your behavior can affect the public at large. We do have a
"right" to protect ourselves. That's why we lock up dangerous
people. Rights are often in conflict. That's one of the reasons
we have higher courts. When I look at Texas the public interest
isn't nearly as clear. I don't see the public interest in
limiting access to properly prescribed medications.
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you
are talking about something that is not happening. That was
thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any
doctor in this country who would perform this sort of surgery on
a minor. It might be possible to find someone who would do this
in some other country. But, even there I suspect you would have
to go underground to find a surgeon. In this country adults have
to go through a lot of counseling and screening before any
surgeon will operate on them.
I know someone who went to Thailand as a young adult. I don't
know what the law is there, but I suspect that they don't perform
these surgeries on children there either. I think it was a
serious mistake for her because she did not get all the
counseling she needed before this was done. It was the right
thing for her, but she really needed more education before this
was done. It's not exactly cheap, but many people can afford to
fly to Thailand and buy whatever they want. The only people who
will be affected by this law will be the people who can't afford
to go around it.
There is a surgeon just a short drive from my house who
specializes in testicles. You have to be able to dot all the 'i's
and cross all the 't's before he will operate on you. He doesn't
want to lose his license or be sued by former patients.
TB
I should have added that "informed consent" is very important to
the doctors and lawyers. You can't just sign a simple form that
says you understand what is happening and give your consent. If you
do that the lawyers can come back and say "how do we know it was
_really_ *"informed"* consent. To be safe you have to screen
patients because you just can't take their word alone for anything,
AND you make sure that the person is *extremely* well informed on
this subject. Stuff like, "what are your expectations?" And "this
is what we know about people who have gone through this
experience." That takes a while. BUT, it gives the doctors some
ethical and legal protection. For reasons that should be obvious,
the people who do the screening and counselling are not part of the
surgeon's office. The doctor's office just makes sure the forms are
properly filled out and the signatures are valid.
Our friend was fortunate. Here in Oregon she was able to have most
of the counseling and surgery done under her mother's health
insurance because that was considered a medical condition and she
was under 25.. If she wants additional surgery she would probably
have to pay for it herself, because cosmetic surgery is usually
considered an elective procedure.
TB
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 5:32:08 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:understand the hostility towards him, for wanting to snip his cajones, & stop the kids from coming! HawHawHaw!
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:32:37 AM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:00:17 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
On 5/18/2023 7:38 AM, George.Anthony wrote:I don't believe in pure black or white answers. No right is
Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:He's probably all in on government forced covid vaccinations
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh
wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, >>>>>>> film...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, >>>>>>>> George Anthony wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care forWhat about with the parents approval? How would that
Children
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill
banning puberty blockers and hormone treatments for
minors. Gov. Greg Abbott was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature
line)
work?
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're
trying to ban something. There is one small exemption
for some parents. But they aren't really interested in
what parents or doctors have to say about their
children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited
exemption for those transgender children who were
already receiving medical treatment before the
bill’s passage, though it also required those >>>>>>> patients to “wean†themselves off the >>>>>>> medications over an unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided
transgender medical and/or surgical procedures with
parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big
surprise. There are a lot of different issues involved.
Everyone is a unique individual. Even you. There is no one
size fits all answer for everyone. What I do know is that
we do NOT have the right to decide what is right for
others. The extreme last people who should be involved in
these very personal decisions are the god damn freaking
politicians.
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles
Texas and other states are sending to Oregon and other less
judgemental places.
TB
This is not a difficult question to answer. It’s asking for >>>> your opinion. You are either for or against. Like you are
either for or against abortion. Claiming it’s the woman’s
choice doesn’t give your opinion on the act of aborting a
child. A non answer is cowardice.
though.
absolute.
But, here's the thing: When I look at laws I want to know what
the public interest is. What interest does the public at large
have in this issue? With inoculations there is any easy answer.
Your behavior can affect the public at large. We do have a
"right" to protect ourselves. That's why we lock up dangerous
people. Rights are often in conflict. That's one of the reasons
we have higher courts. When I look at Texas the public interest
isn't nearly as clear. I don't see the public interest in
limiting access to properly prescribed medications.
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you
are talking about something that is not happening. That was
thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any
doctor in this country who would perform this sort of surgery on
a minor. It might be possible to find someone who would do this
in some other country. But, even there I suspect you would have
to go underground to find a surgeon. In this country adults have
to go through a lot of counseling and screening before any
surgeon will operate on them.
I know someone who went to Thailand as a young adult. I don't
know what the law is there, but I suspect that they don't perform
these surgeries on children there either. I think it was a
serious mistake for her because she did not get all the
counseling she needed before this was done. It was the right
thing for her, but she really needed more education before this
was done. It's not exactly cheap, but many people can afford to
fly to Thailand and buy whatever they want. The only people who
will be affected by this law will be the people who can't afford
to go around it.
There is a surgeon just a short drive from my house who
specializes in testicles. You have to be able to dot all the 'i's
and cross all the 't's before he will operate on you. He doesn't
want to lose his license or be sued by former patients.
TB
I should have added that "informed consent" is very important toWell then.....look. At the end of the end of the day going forward,
the doctors and lawyers. You can't just sign a simple form that
says you understand what is happening and give your consent. If you
do that the lawyers can come back and say "how do we know it was _really_ *"informed"* consent. To be safe you have to screen
patients because you just can't take their word alone for anything,
AND you make sure that the person is *extremely* well informed on
this subject. Stuff like, "what are your expectations?" And "this
is what we know about people who have gone through this
experience." That takes a while. BUT, it gives the doctors some
ethical and legal protection. For reasons that should be obvious,
the people who do the screening and counselling are not part of the surgeon's office. The doctor's office just makes sure the forms are properly filled out and the signatures are valid.
what we literally need is a woke organization called Planned
Genderhood to take care of that....like...pesky legalish redtapey stuff.
Our friend was fortunate. Here in Oregon she was able to have most
of the counseling and surgery done under her mother's health
insurance because that was considered a medical condition and she
was under 25.. If she wants additional surgery she would probably
have to pay for it herself, because cosmetic surgery is usually considered an elective procedure.
TB
--A friend of mine counseled for Planned Parenthood... She had to escort a poor Mex field worker in their office for a vasectomy.. The guy was 25, and already had three kids... He was terrified of the anger he faced from RTL protestors, and couldn't
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
Sancho Jr.
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 5:52:15 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com wrote:understand the hostility towards him, for wanting to snip his cajones, & stop the kids from coming! HawHawHaw!
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 5:32:08 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:32:37 AM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:00:17 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote: >>> On 5/18/2023 7:38 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
I don't believe in pure black or white answers. No right isTechnobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:He's probably all in on government forced covid vaccinations
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh
wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, >>>>>>> film...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, >>>>>>>> George Anthony wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care forWhat about with the parents approval? How would that
Children
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill
banning puberty blockers and hormone treatments for
minors. Gov. Greg Abbott was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature
line)
work?
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're
trying to ban something. There is one small exemption
for some parents. But they aren't really interested in
what parents or doctors have to say about their
children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited
exemption for those transgender children who were
already receiving medical treatment before the
bill’s passage, though it also required those >>>>>>> patients to “wean†themselves off the >>>>>>> medications over an unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided
transgender medical and/or surgical procedures with
parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big
surprise. There are a lot of different issues involved.
Everyone is a unique individual. Even you. There is no one
size fits all answer for everyone. What I do know is that
we do NOT have the right to decide what is right for
others. The extreme last people who should be involved in
these very personal decisions are the god damn freaking
politicians.
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles
Texas and other states are sending to Oregon and other less
judgemental places.
TB
This is not a difficult question to answer. It’s asking for >>>> your opinion. You are either for or against. Like you are
either for or against abortion. Claiming it’s the woman’s
choice doesn’t give your opinion on the act of aborting a >>>> child. A non answer is cowardice.
though.
absolute.
But, here's the thing: When I look at laws I want to know what
the public interest is. What interest does the public at large
have in this issue? With inoculations there is any easy answer.
Your behavior can affect the public at large. We do have a
"right" to protect ourselves. That's why we lock up dangerous
people. Rights are often in conflict. That's one of the reasons
we have higher courts. When I look at Texas the public interest
isn't nearly as clear. I don't see the public interest in
limiting access to properly prescribed medications.
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you
are talking about something that is not happening. That was
thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any
doctor in this country who would perform this sort of surgery on
a minor. It might be possible to find someone who would do this
in some other country. But, even there I suspect you would have
to go underground to find a surgeon. In this country adults have
to go through a lot of counseling and screening before any
surgeon will operate on them.
I know someone who went to Thailand as a young adult. I don't
know what the law is there, but I suspect that they don't perform
these surgeries on children there either. I think it was a
serious mistake for her because she did not get all the
counseling she needed before this was done. It was the right
thing for her, but she really needed more education before this
was done. It's not exactly cheap, but many people can afford to
fly to Thailand and buy whatever they want. The only people who
will be affected by this law will be the people who can't afford
to go around it.
There is a surgeon just a short drive from my house who
specializes in testicles. You have to be able to dot all the 'i's
and cross all the 't's before he will operate on you. He doesn't
want to lose his license or be sued by former patients.
TB
I should have added that "informed consent" is very important toWell then.....look. At the end of the end of the day going forward,
the doctors and lawyers. You can't just sign a simple form that
says you understand what is happening and give your consent. If you
do that the lawyers can come back and say "how do we know it was _really_ *"informed"* consent. To be safe you have to screen
patients because you just can't take their word alone for anything, AND you make sure that the person is *extremely* well informed on
this subject. Stuff like, "what are your expectations?" And "this
is what we know about people who have gone through this
experience." That takes a while. BUT, it gives the doctors some ethical and legal protection. For reasons that should be obvious,
the people who do the screening and counselling are not part of the surgeon's office. The doctor's office just makes sure the forms are properly filled out and the signatures are valid.
what we literally need is a woke organization called Planned
Genderhood to take care of that....like...pesky legalish redtapey stuff.
Our friend was fortunate. Here in Oregon she was able to have most
of the counseling and surgery done under her mother's health
insurance because that was considered a medical condition and she
was under 25.. If she wants additional surgery she would probably
have to pay for it herself, because cosmetic surgery is usually considered an elective procedure.
TB
--A friend of mine counseled for Planned Parenthood... She had to escort a poor Mex field worker in their office for a vasectomy.. The guy was 25, and already had three kids... He was terrified of the anger he faced from RTL protestors, and couldn't
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
a parent. This might or might not work. Because of problems with her hormones she wasn't producing as many wigglers as most people.Sancho Jr.There are actually quite a few formal and informal support groups for trans people here. Planned Parenthood is probably one of them. Our friend who had her balls cut off put some of her sperm in deep freeze. She's still hoping for an opportunity to be
"Transgender Resources"
https://www.portlandoregon.gov/81271
"Transgender Community"
https://www.pdxqcenter.org/transgender-community
Some of the trans people have a problem with the Q Center because the whole issue is also controversial in the gay community.
TB
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:11:59 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 5:52:15 PM UTC-7,
film...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 5:32:08 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:There are actually quite a few formal and informal support groups
Technobarbarian wrote:A friend of mine counseled for Planned Parenthood... She had to
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:32:37 AM UTC-7,Well then.....look. At the end of the end of the day going
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:00:17 AM UTC-7,
sticks wrote:
On 5/18/2023 7:38 AM, George.Anthony wrote:I don't believe in pure black or white answers. No right
Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:He's probably all in on government forced covid
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM
UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at
6:31:52 PM UTC-7,
film...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at
6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George >>>>>>>>>>>> Anthony wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender MedicalWhat about with the parents approval? How
Care for Children
Texas became the largest state to a pass a
bill banning puberty blockers and hormone
treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott was
likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant
signature line)
would that work?
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when
they're trying to ban something. There is one
small exemption for some parents. But they
aren't really interested in what parents or
doctors have to say about their children. Big
Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a
limited exemption for those transgender
children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s >>>>>>>>>>> passage, though it also required those patients
to “wean†themselves
off the medications over an unspecified period
of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be
provided transgender medical and/or surgical
procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't
work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know,
big surprise. There are a lot of different issues
involved. Everyone is a unique individual. Even
you. There is no one size fits all answer for
everyone. What I do know is that we do NOT have the
right to decide what is right for others. The
extreme last people who should be involved in these
very personal decisions are the god damn freaking
politicians.
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political
exiles Texas and other states are sending to Oregon
and other less judgemental places.
TB
This is not a difficult question to answer.
It’s asking for your opinion. You are either
for or against. Like you are either for or against
abortion. Claiming it’s the woman’s >>>>>>>> choice doesn’t give your opinion on the act of >>>>>>>> aborting a child. A non answer is cowardice.
vaccinations though.
is absolute.
But, here's the thing: When I look at laws I want to know
what the public interest is. What interest does the
public at large have in this issue? With inoculations
there is any easy answer. Your behavior can affect the
public at large. We do have a "right" to protect
ourselves. That's why we lock up dangerous people. Rights
are often in conflict. That's one of the reasons we have
higher courts. When I look at Texas the public interest
isn't nearly as clear. I don't see the public interest
in limiting access to properly prescribed medications.
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children,
but you are talking about something that is not
happening. That was thrown in to sensationalize the
issue. I don't think there is any doctor in this country
who would perform this sort of surgery on a minor. It
might be possible to find someone who would do this in
some other country. But, even there I suspect you would
have to go underground to find a surgeon. In this country
adults have to go through a lot of counseling and
screening before any surgeon will operate on them.
I know someone who went to Thailand as a young adult. I
don't know what the law is there, but I suspect that they
don't perform these surgeries on children there either. I
think it was a serious mistake for her because she did
not get all the counseling she needed before this was
done. It was the right thing for her, but she really
needed more education before this was done. It's not
exactly cheap, but many people can afford to fly to
Thailand and buy whatever they want. The only people who
will be affected by this law will be the people who can't
afford to go around it.
There is a surgeon just a short drive from my house who
specializes in testicles. You have to be able to dot all
the 'i's and cross all the 't's before he will operate on
you. He doesn't want to lose his license or be sued by
former patients.
TB
I should have added that "informed consent" is very
important to the doctors and lawyers. You can't just sign a
simple form that says you understand what is happening and
give your consent. If you do that the lawyers can come back
and say "how do we know it was _really_ *"informed"*
consent. To be safe you have to screen patients because you
just can't take their word alone for anything, AND you make
sure that the person is *extremely* well informed on this
subject. Stuff like, "what are your expectations?" And
"this is what we know about people who have gone through
this experience." That takes a while. BUT, it gives the
doctors some ethical and legal protection. For reasons that
should be obvious, the people who do the screening and
counselling are not part of the surgeon's office. The
doctor's office just makes sure the forms are properly
filled out and the signatures are valid.
forward, what we literally need is a woke organization called
Planned Genderhood to take care of that....like...pesky
legalish redtapey stuff.
Our friend was fortunate. Here in Oregon she was able to-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
have most of the counseling and surgery done under her
mother's health insurance because that was considered a
medical condition and she was under 25.. If she wants
additional surgery she would probably have to pay for it
herself, because cosmetic surgery is usually considered an
elective procedure.
TB
escort a poor Mex field worker in their office for a
vasectomy.. The guy was 25, and already had three kids... He
was terrified of the anger he faced from RTL protestors, and
couldn't understand the hostility towards him, for wanting to
snip his cajones, & stop the kids from coming! HawHawHaw!
Sancho Jr.
for trans people here. Planned Parenthood is probably one of
them. Our friend who had her balls cut off put some of her sperm
in deep freeze. She's still hoping for an opportunity to be a
parent. This might or might not work. Because of problems with
her hormones she wasn't producing as many wigglers as most
people.
"Transgender Resources"
https://www.portlandoregon.gov/81271
"Transgender Community"
https://www.pdxqcenter.org/transgender-community
Some of the trans people have a problem with the Q Center because
the whole issue is also controversial in the gay community.
TB
I forgot to mention something else interesting about having your
balls cut off. They won't let you keep them, because they're
considered medical waste. They have to be incinerated.
TB
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:11:59 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:understand the hostility towards him, for wanting to snip his cajones, & stop the kids from coming! HawHawHaw!
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 5:52:15 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 5:32:08 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:32:37 AM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:00:17 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote: >>> On 5/18/2023 7:38 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
I don't believe in pure black or white answers. No right isTechnobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:He's probably all in on government forced covid vaccinations
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh
wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, >>>>>>> film...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, >>>>>>>> George Anthony wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for >>>>>>>>> ChildrenWhat about with the parents approval? How would that
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill
banning puberty blockers and hormone treatments for >>>>>>>>> minors. Gov. Greg Abbott was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature
line)
work?
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're
trying to ban something. There is one small exemption
for some parents. But they aren't really interested in
what parents or doctors have to say about their
children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited
exemption for those transgender children who were
already receiving medical treatment before the
bill’s passage, though it also required those >>>>>>> patients to “wean†themselves off the >>>>>>> medications over an unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided
transgender medical and/or surgical procedures with
parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big
surprise. There are a lot of different issues involved.
Everyone is a unique individual. Even you. There is no one
size fits all answer for everyone. What I do know is that
we do NOT have the right to decide what is right for
others. The extreme last people who should be involved in
these very personal decisions are the god damn freaking
politicians.
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles
Texas and other states are sending to Oregon and other less >>>>> judgemental places.
TB
This is not a difficult question to answer. It’s asking for
your opinion. You are either for or against. Like you are
either for or against abortion. Claiming it’s the woman’s
choice doesn’t give your opinion on the act of aborting a >>>> child. A non answer is cowardice.
though.
absolute.
But, here's the thing: When I look at laws I want to know what
the public interest is. What interest does the public at large
have in this issue? With inoculations there is any easy answer.
Your behavior can affect the public at large. We do have a
"right" to protect ourselves. That's why we lock up dangerous
people. Rights are often in conflict. That's one of the reasons
we have higher courts. When I look at Texas the public interest
isn't nearly as clear. I don't see the public interest in
limiting access to properly prescribed medications.
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you >> are talking about something that is not happening. That was
thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any >> doctor in this country who would perform this sort of surgery on
a minor. It might be possible to find someone who would do this
in some other country. But, even there I suspect you would have
to go underground to find a surgeon. In this country adults have
to go through a lot of counseling and screening before any
surgeon will operate on them.
I know someone who went to Thailand as a young adult. I don't
know what the law is there, but I suspect that they don't perform >> these surgeries on children there either. I think it was a
serious mistake for her because she did not get all the
counseling she needed before this was done. It was the right
thing for her, but she really needed more education before this
was done. It's not exactly cheap, but many people can afford to
fly to Thailand and buy whatever they want. The only people who
will be affected by this law will be the people who can't afford
to go around it.
There is a surgeon just a short drive from my house who
specializes in testicles. You have to be able to dot all the 'i's >> and cross all the 't's before he will operate on you. He doesn't
want to lose his license or be sued by former patients.
TB
I should have added that "informed consent" is very important toWell then.....look. At the end of the end of the day going forward, what we literally need is a woke organization called Planned Genderhood to take care of that....like...pesky legalish redtapey stuff.
the doctors and lawyers. You can't just sign a simple form that
says you understand what is happening and give your consent. If you do that the lawyers can come back and say "how do we know it was _really_ *"informed"* consent. To be safe you have to screen patients because you just can't take their word alone for anything, AND you make sure that the person is *extremely* well informed on this subject. Stuff like, "what are your expectations?" And "this
is what we know about people who have gone through this
experience." That takes a while. BUT, it gives the doctors some ethical and legal protection. For reasons that should be obvious, the people who do the screening and counselling are not part of the surgeon's office. The doctor's office just makes sure the forms are properly filled out and the signatures are valid.
Our friend was fortunate. Here in Oregon she was able to have most of the counseling and surgery done under her mother's health insurance because that was considered a medical condition and she was under 25.. If she wants additional surgery she would probably have to pay for it herself, because cosmetic surgery is usually considered an elective procedure.
TB
--A friend of mine counseled for Planned Parenthood... She had to escort a poor Mex field worker in their office for a vasectomy.. The guy was 25, and already had three kids... He was terrified of the anger he faced from RTL protestors, and couldn't
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
be a parent. This might or might not work. Because of problems with her hormones she wasn't producing as many wigglers as most people.Sancho Jr.There are actually quite a few formal and informal support groups for trans people here. Planned Parenthood is probably one of them. Our friend who had her balls cut off put some of her sperm in deep freeze. She's still hoping for an opportunity to
"Transgender Resources"
https://www.portlandoregon.gov/81271
"Transgender Community"
https://www.pdxqcenter.org/transgender-community
Some of the trans people have a problem with the Q Center because the whole issue is also controversial in the gay community.
TBI forgot to mention something else interesting about having your balls cut off. They won't let you keep them, because they're considered medical waste. They have to be incinerated.
TB
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:00:17 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:a "right" to protect ourselves. That's why we lock up dangerous people. Rights are often in conflict. That's one of the reasons we have higher courts. When I look at Texas the public interest isn't nearly as clear. I don't see the public interest in
On 5/18/2023 7:38 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:He's probably all in on government forced covid vaccinations though.
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony >>>>>>> wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for ChildrenWhat about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty >>>>>>>> blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott
was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban
something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they >>>>>> aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say
about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for
those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required >>>>>> those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an
unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided transgender
medical and/or surgical procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big surprise.
There are a lot of different issues involved. Everyone is a unique
individual. Even you. There is no one size fits all answer for everyone. >>>> What I do know is that we do NOT have the right to decide what is right >>>> for others. The extreme last people who should be involved in these very >>>> personal decisions are the god damn freaking politicians.
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles Texas and
other states are sending to Oregon and other less judgemental places.
TB
This is not a difficult question to answer. It’s asking for your opinion. >>> You are either for or against. Like you are either for or against abortion. >>> Claiming it’s the woman’s choice doesn’t give your opinion on the act of
aborting a child. A non answer is cowardice.
I don't believe in pure black or white answers. No right is absolute.
But, here's the thing: When I look at laws I want to know what the public interest is. What interest does the public at large have in this issue? With inoculations there is any easy answer. Your behavior can affect the public at large. We do have
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you are talking about something that is not happening. That was thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any doctor in this country who would perform this sortof surgery on a minor. It might be possible to find someone who would do this in some other country. But, even there I suspect you would have to go underground to find a surgeon. In this country adults have to go through a lot of counseling and screening
He's probably all in on government forced covid vaccinations though.
I don't believe in pure black or white answers. No right is absolute.
But, here's the thing: When I look at laws I want to know what the public interest is. What interest does the public at large have in this issue? With inoculations there is any easy answer.
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you are talking about something that is not happening. That was thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any doctor in this country who would perform this sort ofsurgery on a minor.
On 5/18/2023 11:32 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you are
talking about something that is not happening. That was thrown in to
sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any doctor in this
country who would perform this sort of surgery on a minor.
Clearly, you are wrong on this.
"an estimated 1,130 chest reconstructive surgeries were performed on transgender and gender-diverse (TGD) adolescents"
<https://www.medpagetoday.com/pediatrics/generalpediatrics/101252?>
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
On 5/18/2023 11:32 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you are
talking about something that is not happening. That was thrown in to
sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any doctor in this
country who would perform this sort of surgery on a minor.
Clearly, you are wrong on this.
"an estimated 1,130 chest reconstructive surgeries were performed on
transgender and gender-diverse (TGD) adolescents"
<https://www.medpagetoday.com/pediatrics/generalpediatrics/101252?>>>
He is wrong on pretty much everything but he will defend to the death his wrong positions.
On 5/18/2023 11:32 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
He's probably all in on government forced covid vaccinations though.
I don't believe in pure black or white answers. No right is
absolute.
But, here's the thing: When I look at laws I want to know what
the public interest is. What interest does the public at large have in
this issue? With inoculations there is any easy answer.
With normal methods and procedures, there is some truth to this. With
what happened with the covid-19 vaccine, and experimental one, not so
much. What big pharma and the medical community has done to destroy the trust we had in them with all the lies and deception around this money
making fiasco has been devastating. The amount of suffering and death
they were willing to subject the people of the world to is unfathomable.
Fortunately, our family recognized this early on and didn't take this unnecessary experimental "medicine." Many people I know now regret
that they did. Some are dead. It was all anything but *easy*.
On 5/18/2023 11:32 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:surgery on a minor.
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you are talking about something that is not happening. That was thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any doctor in this country who would perform this sort of
Clearly, you are wrong on this.
"an estimated 1,130 chest reconstructive surgeries were performed on transgender and gender-diverse (TGD) adolescents"
<https://www.medpagetoday.com/pediatrics/generalpediatrics/101252?>
On 5/19/2023 9:17 AM, sticks wrote:
On 5/18/2023 11:32 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
He's probably all in on government forced covid vaccinations though.
I don't believe in pure black or white answers. No right is
absolute.
But, here's the thing: When I look at laws I want to know what
the public interest is. What interest does the public at large have in
this issue? With inoculations there is any easy answer.
With normal methods and procedures, there is some truth to this. With what happened with the covid-19 vaccine, and experimental one, not so much. What big pharma and the medical community has done to destroy the trust we had in them with all the lies and deception around this money making fiasco has been devastating. The amount of suffering and death they were willing to subject the people of the world to is unfathomable.I see they're moving the goals again in the covid vaccine farce. It
Fortunately, our family recognized this early on and didn't take this unnecessary experimental "medicine." Many people I know now regret
that they did. Some are dead. It was all anything but *easy*.
sickens me when I go to the local Walgreens and see people with their
young children in line to get them vaccinated with this crap. Poor kids
with dumb parents.
“Who are these morons?” one commenter asked about the one in 9,000 Americans who are still lining up to get shot with mRNA. “A quarter of a million Americans every month are STILL willingly taking the jabs?!
Three million Americans a year?!”
<https://clensor.com/2023/05/19/fda-now-recommends-people-should-receive-no-more-than-one-mrna-dose-and-no-more-boosters/>
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:surgery on a minor.
On 5/18/2023 11:32 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you are talking about something that is not happening. That was thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any doctor in this country who would perform this sort of
Clearly, you are wrong on this.
"an estimated 1,130 chest reconstructive surgeries were performed on
transgender and gender-diverse (TGD) adolescents"
<https://www.medpagetoday.com/pediatrics/generalpediatrics/101252?>
Thank you. You are talking about people I had forgotten about. I was mostly thinking about men who had their balls cut off. Almost none, if any, of the people in your example had this done.
"Nearly all were masculinizing, with only 1.4% feminizing."
According to your source: ""Reconstructive genital surgery is typically not performed in adolescents,"
Of course, none of this will keep you from your manufactured outrage. Since you know almost nothing about the subject it's extremely important that you demonize people who frighten you. I would not want to deprive anyone of their torch or theirpitchfork.
On 5/18/2023 11:32 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:surgery on a minor.
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you are talking about something that is not happening. That was thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any doctor in this country who would perform this sort of
Clearly, you are wrong on this.
"an estimated 1,130 chest reconstructive surgeries were performed on transgender and gender-diverse (TGD) adolescents"
<https://www.medpagetoday.com/pediatrics/generalpediatrics/101252?>
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:surgery on a minor.
On 5/18/2023 11:32 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you are talking about something that is not happening. That was thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any doctor in this country who would perform this sort of
Clearly, you are wrong on this.
"an estimated 1,130 chest reconstructive surgeries were performed on
transgender and gender-diverse (TGD) adolescents"
<https://www.medpagetoday.com/pediatrics/generalpediatrics/101252?>
Hey, if that's most serious thing you can find that people you don't even know are doing--run with it champ. I had assumed you were talking about serious surgery that *really* can't be undone.
You know? Oh my gawd! Castrating children! Obviously, YOU know much better than the 500+ teenagers involved in this every year, their family, their counselors AND their doctors! I am simply amazed.
Did you know that some otherwise "normal" men sometimes grow breasts? This is most likely to happen to people when we're teenagers. If this happened to you, what would you prefer? Hey kid, take this special bra and strap it down as much as you canuntil you're at least 21? Or "Hey, this is seriously embarrassing." "I'm a guy and I really don't think I'm going to change my mind about this however many years from now."? Do you think, that, as a teenager, you would have wanted young women to see you
(I also knew a guy who bought a nice pair of breasts as a male adult. His prefered name was Barbi, and his breasts reminded me a bit of her.)
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:surgery on a minor.
On 5/18/2023 11:32 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you are talking about something that is not happening. That was thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any doctor in this country who would perform this sort of
Obviously, YOU know much better than the 500+ teenagers involved in this every year, their family, their counselors AND their doctors! I am simply amazed. Did you know that some otherwise "normal" men sometimes grow breasts? This is most likely to happenClearly, you are wrong on this.
"an estimated 1,130 chest reconstructive surgeries were performed on
transgender and gender-diverse (TGD) adolescents"
<https://www.medpagetoday.com/pediatrics/generalpediatrics/101252?>
Hey, if that's most serious thing you can find that people you don't even know are doing--run with it champ. I had assumed you were talking about serious surgery that *really* can't be undone. You know? Oh my gawd! Castrating children!
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for Children
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty blockers
and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott was likely to sign it. >>
--
(Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
What about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:00:17 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:a "right" to protect ourselves. That's why we lock up dangerous people. Rights are often in conflict. That's one of the reasons we have higher courts. When I look at Texas the public interest isn't nearly as clear. I don't see the public interest in
On 5/18/2023 7:38 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:He's probably all in on government forced covid vaccinations though.
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony >>>>>>> wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for ChildrenWhat about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty >>>>>>>> blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott
was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban
something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they >>>>>> aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say
about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for
those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required >>>>>> those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an
unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided transgender
medical and/or surgical procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big surprise.
There are a lot of different issues involved. Everyone is a unique
individual. Even you. There is no one size fits all answer for everyone. >>>> What I do know is that we do NOT have the right to decide what is right >>>> for others. The extreme last people who should be involved in these very >>>> personal decisions are the god damn freaking politicians.
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles Texas and
other states are sending to Oregon and other less judgemental places.
TB
This is not a difficult question to answer. It’s asking for your opinion. >>> You are either for or against. Like you are either for or against abortion. >>> Claiming it’s the woman’s choice doesn’t give your opinion on the act of
aborting a child. A non answer is cowardice.
I don't believe in pure black or white answers. No right is absolute.
But, here's the thing: When I look at laws I want to know what the public interest is. What interest does the public at large have in this issue? With inoculations there is any easy answer. Your behavior can affect the public at large. We do have
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you are talking about something that is not happening. That was thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any doctor in this country who would perform this sortof surgery on a minor. It might be possible to find someone who would do this in some other country. But, even there I suspect you would have to go underground to find a surgeon. In this country adults have to go through a lot of counseling and screening
I know someone who went to Thailand as a young adult. I don't know what the law is there, but I suspect that they don't perform these surgeries on children there either. I think it was a serious mistake for her because she did not get all thecounseling she needed before this was done. It was the right thing for her, but she really needed more education before this was done. It's not exactly cheap, but many people can afford to fly to Thailand and buy whatever they want. The only people who
There is a surgeon just a short drive from my house who specializes in testicles. You have to be able to dot all the 'i's and cross all the 't's before he will operate on you. He doesn't want to lose his license or be sued by former patients.
TB
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:or something special. I'd settle for turning on a light bulb without touching anything.
On 5/19/2023 9:17 AM, sticks wrote:
On 5/18/2023 11:32 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:I see they're moving the goals again in the covid vaccine farce. It
He's probably all in on government forced covid vaccinations though.
I don't believe in pure black or white answers. No right is
absolute.
But, here's the thing: When I look at laws I want to know what
the public interest is. What interest does the public at large have in >>>> this issue? With inoculations there is any easy answer.
With normal methods and procedures, there is some truth to this. With
what happened with the covid-19 vaccine, and experimental one, not so
much. What big pharma and the medical community has done to destroy the >>> trust we had in them with all the lies and deception around this money
making fiasco has been devastating. The amount of suffering and death
they were willing to subject the people of the world to is unfathomable. >>> Fortunately, our family recognized this early on and didn't take this
unnecessary experimental "medicine." Many people I know now regret
that they did. Some are dead. It was all anything but *easy*.
sickens me when I go to the local Walgreens and see people with their
young children in line to get them vaccinated with this crap. Poor kids
with dumb parents.
“Who are these morons?” one commenter asked about the one in 9,000
Americans who are still lining up to get shot with mRNA. “A quarter of a >> million Americans every month are STILL willingly taking the jabs?!
Three million Americans a year?!”
<https://clensor.com/2023/05/19/fda-now-recommends-people-should-receive-no-more-than-one-mrna-dose-and-no-more-boosters/>
THANKS AGAIN! At least, you're good for a laugh. I just got my 6th Covid shot the other day. I've been telling the medical people that I'm disappointed that I don't at least glow in the dark by now. I should be able to communicate with Martians
TB
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:00:18 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:right to decide what is right for others. The extreme last people who should be involved in these very personal decisions are the god damn freaking politicians.
On 5/17/2023 11:33 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony >>>>>> wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for ChildrenWhat about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty
blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott
was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban
something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they
aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say
about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for
those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required
those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an >>>>> unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided transgender
medical and/or surgical procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big surprise. There are a lot of different issues involved. Everyone is a unique individual. Even you. There is no one size fits all answer for everyone. What I do know is that we do NOT have the
We stop minors from smoking and drinking. Yet they can go and get an
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles Texas and other states are sending to Oregon and other less judgemental places.
abortion or life altering physical surgery without their parents
consent? That's fucked up.
Oregon is not "less judgemental." They're leftists in charge and are
using this new cult for political gain. Texas just still has those in
charge looking out for the well being of their children.
Yeah, forget the parents. Big brother knows what's best for everyone.
TB
On 5/18/2023 11:32 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:right" to protect ourselves. That's why we lock up dangerous people. Rights are often in conflict. That's one of the reasons we have higher courts. When I look at Texas the public interest isn't nearly as clear. I don't see the public interest in
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:00:17 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
On 5/18/2023 7:38 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:He's probably all in on government forced covid vaccinations though.
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony >>>>>>> wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for Children >>>>>>>>What about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty >>>>>>>> blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott >>>>>>>> was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban >>>>>> something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they >>>>>> aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say >>>>>> about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for >>>>>> those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required >>>>>> those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an
unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided transgender >>>>> medical and/or surgical procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big surprise.
There are a lot of different issues involved. Everyone is a unique
individual. Even you. There is no one size fits all answer for everyone.
What I do know is that we do NOT have the right to decide what is right >>>> for others. The extreme last people who should be involved in these very
personal decisions are the god damn freaking politicians.
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles Texas and
other states are sending to Oregon and other less judgemental places. >>>>
TB
This is not a difficult question to answer. It’s asking for your opinion.
You are either for or against. Like you are either for or against abortion.
Claiming it’s the woman’s choice doesn’t give your opinion on the act of
aborting a child. A non answer is cowardice.
I don't believe in pure black or white answers. No right is absolute.
But, here's the thing: When I look at laws I want to know what the public interest is. What interest does the public at large have in this issue? With inoculations there is any easy answer. Your behavior can affect the public at large. We do have a "
surgery on a minor. It might be possible to find someone who would do this in some other country. But, even there I suspect you would have to go underground to find a surgeon. In this country adults have to go through a lot of counseling and screeningI can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you are talking about something that is not happening. That was thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any doctor in this country who would perform this sort of
counseling she needed before this was done. It was the right thing for her, but she really needed more education before this was done. It's not exactly cheap, but many people can afford to fly to Thailand and buy whatever they want. The only people whoI know someone who went to Thailand as a young adult. I don't know what the law is there, but I suspect that they don't perform these surgeries on children there either. I think it was a serious mistake for her because she did not get all the
There is a surgeon just a short drive from my house who specializes in testicles. You have to be able to dot all the 'i's and cross all the 't's before he will operate on you. He doesn't want to lose his license or be sued by former patients.
TBYou are absolutely amazing... in the wrong way. Of course there are
black or white answers. But as The Artful Dodger you wont give one.
--
(Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 4:11:51 PM UTC-7, George Anthony wrote:right" to protect ourselves. That's why we lock up dangerous people. Rights are often in conflict. That's one of the reasons we have higher courts. When I look at Texas the public interest isn't nearly as clear. I don't see the public interest in
On 5/18/2023 11:32 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:00:17 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
On 5/18/2023 7:38 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:He's probably all in on government forced covid vaccinations though.
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:16:31 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:31:52 PM UTC-7, film...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-7, George Anthony >>>>>>>>> wrote:
Texas Legislature Bans Transgender Medical Care for Children >>>>>>>>>>What about with the parents approval? How would that work?
Texas became the largest state to a pass a bill banning puberty >>>>>>>>>> blockers and hormone treatments for minors. Gov. Greg Abbott >>>>>>>>>> was likely to sign it.
-- (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
Christine Jorgensen Jr.
"Parents?" Parents are only important when they're trying to ban >>>>>>>> something. There is one small exemption for some parents. But they >>>>>>>> aren't really interested in what parents or doctors have to say >>>>>>>> about their children. Big Brother knows best.
"The final version of the bill included a limited exemption for >>>>>>>> those transgender children who were already receiving medical
treatment before the bill’s passage, though it also required >>>>>>>> those patients to “wean†themselves off the medications over an
unspecified period of time."
Do you two personally think minors should be provided transgender >>>>>>> medical and/or surgical procedures with parental consent?
What about without parental consent?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
I am not going to give you a direct answer. I know, big surprise.
There are a lot of different issues involved. Everyone is a unique >>>>>> individual. Even you. There is no one size fits all answer for everyone. >>>>>> What I do know is that we do NOT have the right to decide what is right >>>>>> for others. The extreme last people who should be involved in these very >>>>>> personal decisions are the god damn freaking politicians.
I both feel sorry for and welcome the political exiles Texas and
other states are sending to Oregon and other less judgemental places. >>>>>>
TB
This is not a difficult question to answer. It’s asking for your opinion.
You are either for or against. Like you are either for or against abortion.
Claiming it’s the woman’s choice doesn’t give your opinion on the act of
aborting a child. A non answer is cowardice.
I don't believe in pure black or white answers. No right is absolute.
But, here's the thing: When I look at laws I want to know what the public interest is. What interest does the public at large have in this issue? With inoculations there is any easy answer. Your behavior can affect the public at large. We do have a "
surgery on a minor. It might be possible to find someone who would do this in some other country. But, even there I suspect you would have to go underground to find a surgeon. In this country adults have to go through a lot of counseling and screening
I can understand your concern with "mutilating" children, but you are talking about something that is not happening. That was thrown in to sensationalize the issue. I don't think there is any doctor in this country who would perform this sort of
counseling she needed before this was done. It was the right thing for her, but she really needed more education before this was done. It's not exactly cheap, but many people can afford to fly to Thailand and buy whatever they want. The only people who
I know someone who went to Thailand as a young adult. I don't know what the law is there, but I suspect that they don't perform these surgeries on children there either. I think it was a serious mistake for her because she did not get all the
in you dichromatic world.You are absolutely amazing... in the wrong way. Of course there are
There is a surgeon just a short drive from my house who specializes in testicles. You have to be able to dot all the 'i's and cross all the 't's before he will operate on you. He doesn't want to lose his license or be sued by former patients.
TB
black or white answers. But as The Artful Dodger you wont give one.
--
(Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
LOL I feel like I'm trying to explain color to a blind person. You don't see it, so you don't think it exists. There are all shorts of shades of gray and, OH MY GAWD, colors too. There is very little that is as purely black and white as it is
TB
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