217 is the number of patriotic Republicans who voted for a major reduction in benefits for veterans.and many other federal agencies, according to a Social Security advocacy group."
"Veterans are blasting the debt ceiling legislation passed by the Republican-controlled House this week, warning it will cut key programs and services for the nation’s retired service members.
The House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act largely along party lines in a 217-215 vote Wednesday night despite the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) warning of a drastic 22 percent cut to the department’s budget under the bill."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-sound-alarm-mccarthy-budget-220831185.html
Their ransom note is also seeking cuts in other programs, like Social Security after Republicans many denials that they would not do this.
"The full House passed by a 217-215 vote late Wednesday afternoon Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s bill to raise the debt limit — the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 — which would result in at least a 23% budget cut to the Social Security Administration
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-limit-bill-that-trims-social-security-administration/
TB
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 9:34:07 AM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:and many other federal agencies, according to a Social Security advocacy group."
217 is the number of patriotic Republicans who voted for a major reduction in benefits for veterans.
"Veterans are blasting the debt ceiling legislation passed by the Republican-controlled House this week, warning it will cut key programs and services for the nation’s retired service members.
The House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act largely along party lines in a 217-215 vote Wednesday night despite the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) warning of a drastic 22 percent cut to the department’s budget under the bill."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-sound-alarm-mccarthy-budget-220831185.html
Their ransom note is also seeking cuts in other programs, like Social Security after Republicans many denials that they would not do this.
"The full House passed by a 217-215 vote late Wednesday afternoon Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s bill to raise the debt limit — the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 — which would result in at least a 23% budget cut to the Social Security Administration
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-limit-bill-that-trims-social-security-administration/
TBBut, but, didn't YKW tell them not to do it? HawHawHaw!
A Number 1 Jr.
217 is the number of patriotic Republicans who voted for a major reduction in benefits for veterans.and many other federal agencies, according to a Social Security advocacy group."
"Veterans are blasting the debt ceiling legislation passed by the Republican-controlled House this week, warning it will cut key programs and services for the nation’s retired service members.
The House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act largely along party lines in a 217-215 vote Wednesday night despite the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) warning of a drastic 22 percent cut to the department’s budget under the bill."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-sound-alarm-mccarthy-budget-220831185.html
Their ransom note is also seeking cuts in other programs, like Social Security after Republicans many denials that they would not do this.
"The full House passed by a 217-215 vote late Wednesday afternoon Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s bill to raise the debt limit — the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 — which would result in at least a 23% budget cut to the Social Security Administration
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-limit-bill-that-trims-social-security-administration/
TB
On 4/29/2023 11:34 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:and many other federal agencies, according to a Social Security advocacy group."
217 is the number of patriotic Republicans who voted for a major reduction in benefits for veterans.
"Veterans are blasting the debt ceiling legislation passed by the Republican-controlled House this week, warning it will cut key programs and services for the nation’s retired service members.
The House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act largely along party lines in a 217-215 vote Wednesday night despite the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) warning of a drastic 22 percent cut to the department’s budget under the bill."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-sound-alarm-mccarthy-budget-220831185.html
Their ransom note is also seeking cuts in other programs, like Social Security after Republicans many denials that they would not do this.
"The full House passed by a 217-215 vote late Wednesday afternoon Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s bill to raise the debt limit — the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 — which would result in at least a 23% budget cut to the Social Security Administration
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-limit-bill-that-trims-social-security-administration/
TBKinda funny considering the fool in the Whitehouse is the one on tape actually stating cuts to the entitlement programs were on the table.
Course that was back when he could assemble a full sentence. He has
always been dumb, but at least he used to be able to talk. It is simply fear-mongering FWIW, instead of using those thousands of new government workers at the IRS, they should hire them to root out the corruption in
the Social Security administration. That would help get the program on
a better path to solvency.
The republicans, in passing the legislation, have all vowed that no cuts
to veterans benefits, Social Security, or Medicaid would happen. But I applaud their courage in being realists and insisting something has to
be done to get the spending and debt under control. Perhaps you're
aware of the current inflation, the Biden spending that mostly caused
it, $31.7 Trillion national debt, and the inevitable collapse and real austerity that will result if someone doesn't have to guts to tackle the issue? Of course not, you just want your stuff. Set your politics
aside for awhile and get your head out of the sand. This is
unsustainable, and everyone knows it. Anyone thinking clearly must now imagine it must be intentional.
Also mentioned, but not reported by the liberal media, is the hope that
at least Biden will finally come to the table and negotiate, like he
always insisted on when he was in the Senate. This will never pass as
is in the Democrat Senate, and the house surely knew this. So when do
you think your man in the Whitehouse will get serious and try to solve
the issue? Or do you really think printing and spending another $7
Trillion is what we need right now?
217 is the number of patriotic Republicans who voted for a major reduction in benefits for veterans.and many other federal agencies, according to a Social Security advocacy group."
"Veterans are blasting the debt ceiling legislation passed by the Republican-controlled House this week, warning it will cut key programs and services for the nation’s retired service members.
The House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act largely along party lines in a 217-215 vote Wednesday night despite the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) warning of a drastic 22 percent cut to the department’s budget under the bill."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-sound-alarm-mccarthy-budget-220831185.html
Their ransom note is also seeking cuts in other programs, like Social Security after Republicans many denials that they would not do this.
"The full House passed by a 217-215 vote late Wednesday afternoon Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s bill to raise the debt limit — the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 — which would result in at least a 23% budget cut to the Social Security Administration
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-limit-bill-that-trims-social-security-administration/
TB
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 2:28:32 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:and many other federal agencies, according to a Social Security advocacy group."
On 4/29/2023 11:34 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
217 is the number of patriotic Republicans who voted for a major reduction in benefits for veterans.
"Veterans are blasting the debt ceiling legislation passed by the Republican-controlled House this week, warning it will cut key programs and services for the nation’s retired service members.
The House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act largely along party lines in a 217-215 vote Wednesday night despite the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) warning of a drastic 22 percent cut to the department’s budget under the bill."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-sound-alarm-mccarthy-budget-220831185.html
Their ransom note is also seeking cuts in other programs, like Social Security after Republicans many denials that they would not do this.
"The full House passed by a 217-215 vote late Wednesday afternoon Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s bill to raise the debt limit — the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 — which would result in at least a 23% budget cut to the Social Security Administration
exists because we borrowed that money so we could spend it. There is no magic money.)Kinda funny considering the fool in the Whitehouse is the one on tape
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-limit-bill-that-trims-social-security-administration/
TB
actually stating cuts to the entitlement programs were on the table.
Course that was back when he could assemble a full sentence. He has
always been dumb, but at least he used to be able to talk. It is simply
fear-mongering FWIW, instead of using those thousands of new government
workers at the IRS, they should hire them to root out the corruption in
the Social Security administration. That would help get the program on
a better path to solvency.
The republicans, in passing the legislation, have all vowed that no cuts
to veterans benefits, Social Security, or Medicaid would happen. But I
applaud their courage in being realists and insisting something has to
be done to get the spending and debt under control. Perhaps you're
aware of the current inflation, the Biden spending that mostly caused
it, $31.7 Trillion national debt, and the inevitable collapse and real
austerity that will result if someone doesn't have to guts to tackle the
issue? Of course not, you just want your stuff. Set your politics
aside for awhile and get your head out of the sand. This is
unsustainable, and everyone knows it. Anyone thinking clearly must now
imagine it must be intentional.
Also mentioned, but not reported by the liberal media, is the hope that
at least Biden will finally come to the table and negotiate, like he
always insisted on when he was in the Senate. This will never pass as
is in the Democrat Senate, and the house surely knew this. So when do
you think your man in the Whitehouse will get serious and try to solve
the issue? Or do you really think printing and spending another $7
Trillion is what we need right now?
Nope, what we *really* need to do is get rid of the tax breaks #45 and the Republicans gifted to rich people.
(Just as a side note, because we have a lot of people here who believe in magic money: In order to print and spend $7,000,000,000 we would need to borrow that amount of money. Otherwise you end up like Germany before the war. The national debt
TB
On 4/29/2023 4:50 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:Administration and many other federal agencies, according to a Social Security advocacy group."
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 2:28:32 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
On 4/29/2023 11:34 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
217 is the number of patriotic Republicans who voted for a major reduction in benefits for veterans.
"Veterans are blasting the debt ceiling legislation passed by the Republican-controlled House this week, warning it will cut key programs and services for the nation’s retired service members.
The House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act largely along party lines in a 217-215 vote Wednesday night despite the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) warning of a drastic 22 percent cut to the department’s budget under the bill."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-sound-alarm-mccarthy-budget-220831185.html
Their ransom note is also seeking cuts in other programs, like Social Security after Republicans many denials that they would not do this.
"The full House passed by a 217-215 vote late Wednesday afternoon Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s bill to raise the debt limit — the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 — which would result in at least a 23% budget cut to the Social Security
because we borrowed that money so we could spend it. There is no magic money.)Kinda funny considering the fool in the Whitehouse is the one on tape
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-limit-bill-that-trims-social-security-administration/
TB
actually stating cuts to the entitlement programs were on the table.
Course that was back when he could assemble a full sentence. He has
always been dumb, but at least he used to be able to talk. It is simply >> fear-mongering FWIW, instead of using those thousands of new government >> workers at the IRS, they should hire them to root out the corruption in >> the Social Security administration. That would help get the program on
a better path to solvency.
The republicans, in passing the legislation, have all vowed that no cuts >> to veterans benefits, Social Security, or Medicaid would happen. But I
applaud their courage in being realists and insisting something has to
be done to get the spending and debt under control. Perhaps you're
aware of the current inflation, the Biden spending that mostly caused
it, $31.7 Trillion national debt, and the inevitable collapse and real
austerity that will result if someone doesn't have to guts to tackle the >> issue? Of course not, you just want your stuff. Set your politics
aside for awhile and get your head out of the sand. This is
unsustainable, and everyone knows it. Anyone thinking clearly must now
imagine it must be intentional.
Also mentioned, but not reported by the liberal media, is the hope that >> at least Biden will finally come to the table and negotiate, like he
always insisted on when he was in the Senate. This will never pass as
is in the Democrat Senate, and the house surely knew this. So when do
you think your man in the Whitehouse will get serious and try to solve
the issue? Or do you really think printing and spending another $7
Trillion is what we need right now?
Nope, what we *really* need to do is get rid of the tax breaks #45 and the Republicans gifted to rich people.
(Just as a side note, because we have a lot of people here who believe in magic money: In order to print and spend $7,000,000,000 we would need to borrow that amount of money. Otherwise you end up like Germany before the war. The national debt exists
TBThat wouldn't amount to a drop in the ocean. You could take every penny "rich" people have and you still wouldn't make much of a dent in the deficit. You're just pandering to the uninformed "I want mine" crowd.
Why don't you donate to the IRS some of that $8.7 mil you saved.
--
(Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 2:28:32 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:and many other federal agencies, according to a Social Security advocacy group."
On 4/29/2023 11:34 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
217 is the number of patriotic Republicans who voted for a major reduction in benefits for veterans.
"Veterans are blasting the debt ceiling legislation passed by the Republican-controlled House this week, warning it will cut key programs and services for the nation’s retired service members.
The House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act largely along party lines in a 217-215 vote Wednesday night despite the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) warning of a drastic 22 percent cut to the department’s budget under the bill."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-sound-alarm-mccarthy-budget-220831185.html
Their ransom note is also seeking cuts in other programs, like Social Security after Republicans many denials that they would not do this.
"The full House passed by a 217-215 vote late Wednesday afternoon Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s bill to raise the debt limit — the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 — which would result in at least a 23% budget cut to the Social Security Administration
Kinda funny considering the fool in the Whitehouse is the one on tape
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-limit-bill-that-trims-social-security-administration/
TB
actually stating cuts to the entitlement programs were on the table.
Course that was back when he could assemble a full sentence. He has
always been dumb, but at least he used to be able to talk. It is simply
fear-mongering FWIW, instead of using those thousands of new government
workers at the IRS, they should hire them to root out the corruption in
the Social Security administration. That would help get the program on
a better path to solvency.
The republicans, in passing the legislation, have all vowed that no cuts
to veterans benefits, Social Security, or Medicaid would happen. But I
applaud their courage in being realists and insisting something has to
be done to get the spending and debt under control. Perhaps you're
aware of the current inflation, the Biden spending that mostly caused
it, $31.7 Trillion national debt, and the inevitable collapse and real
austerity that will result if someone doesn't have to guts to tackle the
issue? Of course not, you just want your stuff. Set your politics
aside for awhile and get your head out of the sand. This is
unsustainable, and everyone knows it. Anyone thinking clearly must now
imagine it must be intentional.
Also mentioned, but not reported by the liberal media, is the hope that
at least Biden will finally come to the table and negotiate, like he
always insisted on when he was in the Senate. This will never pass as
is in the Democrat Senate, and the house surely knew this. So when do
you think your man in the Whitehouse will get serious and try to solve
the issue? Or do you really think printing and spending another $7
Trillion is what we need right now?
Nope, what we *really* need to do is get rid of the tax breaks #45 and the Republicans gifted to rich people.
(Just as a side note, because we have a lot of people here who believe in magic money: In order to print and spend $7,000,000,000 we would need to borrow that amount of money. Otherwise you end up like Germany before the war. The national debtexists because we borrowed that money so we could spend it. There is no magic money.)
TB
On 4/29/2023 4:50 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:Administration and many other federal agencies, according to a Social Security advocacy group."
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 2:28:32 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
On 4/29/2023 11:34 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
217 is the number of patriotic Republicans who voted for a major reduction in benefits for veterans.
"Veterans are blasting the debt ceiling legislation passed by the Republican-controlled House this week, warning it will cut key programs and services for the nation’s retired service members.
The House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act largely along party lines in a 217-215 vote Wednesday night despite the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) warning of a drastic 22 percent cut to the department’s budget under the bill."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-sound-alarm-mccarthy-budget-220831185.html
Their ransom note is also seeking cuts in other programs, like Social Security after Republicans many denials that they would not do this.
"The full House passed by a 217-215 vote late Wednesday afternoon Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s bill to raise the debt limit — the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 — which would result in at least a 23% budget cut to the Social Security
because we borrowed that money so we could spend it. There is no magic money.)Kinda funny considering the fool in the Whitehouse is the one on tape
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-limit-bill-that-trims-social-security-administration/
TB
actually stating cuts to the entitlement programs were on the table.
Course that was back when he could assemble a full sentence. He has
always been dumb, but at least he used to be able to talk. It is simply >> fear-mongering FWIW, instead of using those thousands of new government >> workers at the IRS, they should hire them to root out the corruption in >> the Social Security administration. That would help get the program on
a better path to solvency.
The republicans, in passing the legislation, have all vowed that no cuts >> to veterans benefits, Social Security, or Medicaid would happen. But I
applaud their courage in being realists and insisting something has to
be done to get the spending and debt under control. Perhaps you're
aware of the current inflation, the Biden spending that mostly caused
it, $31.7 Trillion national debt, and the inevitable collapse and real
austerity that will result if someone doesn't have to guts to tackle the >> issue? Of course not, you just want your stuff. Set your politics
aside for awhile and get your head out of the sand. This is
unsustainable, and everyone knows it. Anyone thinking clearly must now
imagine it must be intentional.
Also mentioned, but not reported by the liberal media, is the hope that >> at least Biden will finally come to the table and negotiate, like he
always insisted on when he was in the Senate. This will never pass as
is in the Democrat Senate, and the house surely knew this. So when do
you think your man in the Whitehouse will get serious and try to solve
the issue? Or do you really think printing and spending another $7
Trillion is what we need right now?
Nope, what we *really* need to do is get rid of the tax breaks #45 and the Republicans gifted to rich people.Yeah, you have to go back to Kennedy for a time when Democrats
understood raising taxes would lower the amount the government brought
in. Libs just don't get it. Trumps tax plan created the best economy
this country has ever seen. There is simply no honest denying it. Of
course that doesn't mean partisan people like you will do it. This war
on the rich and making them pay "their fair share" gets libs votes. Now
your friends want to tax unrealized gains. Insanity.
<https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/courage-strength-optimism/its-official-trumps-tax-cuts-paid-for-themselves>
<https://www.heritage.org/taxes/commentary/the-numbers-are-trumps-tax-cuts-paid>
(Just as a side note, because we have a lot of people here who believe in magic money: In order to print and spend $7,000,000,000 we would need to borrow that amount of money. Otherwise you end up like Germany before the war. The national debt exists
TBNot $7,000,000,000. You missed three zeroes. It's $7,000,000,000,000!
Are you clueless about how the Fed creates money, or are you just lying about the pyramid scheme it has actually created and the fact the debt exists and is unsustainable? It's not magic, but most on the LEFT think
it is. We've all seen the videos of people saying Obama would give them their stuff, like the government actually has money of it's own.
Though not magic, the system now mostly works on the *promise* that the
by purchasing and selling of things like treasury bonds and injecting
them as funds into the banking system, that the bonds are secured by the full faith and credit of the U.S government. What do you think the
fight is about right now? The national debt never gets paid. The more
money the Fed inserts into the system creates inflation which
accelerates the problem and devalues the currency further. Someday,
when real austerity hits, our children and grandchildren will have to
pay the price of the cowardice of our politicians for not addressing
this. You think this can go on forever and all the ridiculous social engineering the libs want comes without cost. That would be magic.
Your answer is to tax the rich, and crush the economy further. It's all
mind numbingly dumb.
On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:54:58 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:Administration and many other federal agencies, according to a Social Security advocacy group."
On 4/29/2023 4:50 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 2:28:32 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
On 4/29/2023 11:34 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
217 is the number of patriotic Republicans who voted for a major reduction in benefits for veterans.
"Veterans are blasting the debt ceiling legislation passed by the Republican-controlled House this week, warning it will cut key programs and services for the nation’s retired service members.
The House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act largely along party lines in a 217-215 vote Wednesday night despite the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) warning of a drastic 22 percent cut to the department’s budget under the bill."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-sound-alarm-mccarthy-budget-220831185.html
Their ransom note is also seeking cuts in other programs, like Social Security after Republicans many denials that they would not do this.
"The full House passed by a 217-215 vote late Wednesday afternoon Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s bill to raise the debt limit — the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 — which would result in at least a 23% budget cut to the Social Security
because we borrowed that money so we could spend it. There is no magic money.) >>>Yeah, you have to go back to Kennedy for a time when DemocratsKinda funny considering the fool in the Whitehouse is the one on tape
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-limit-bill-that-trims-social-security-administration/
TB
actually stating cuts to the entitlement programs were on the table.
Course that was back when he could assemble a full sentence. He has
always been dumb, but at least he used to be able to talk. It is simply >>>> fear-mongering FWIW, instead of using those thousands of new government >>>> workers at the IRS, they should hire them to root out the corruption in >>>> the Social Security administration. That would help get the program on >>>> a better path to solvency.
The republicans, in passing the legislation, have all vowed that no cuts >>>> to veterans benefits, Social Security, or Medicaid would happen. But I >>>> applaud their courage in being realists and insisting something has to >>>> be done to get the spending and debt under control. Perhaps you're
aware of the current inflation, the Biden spending that mostly caused
it, $31.7 Trillion national debt, and the inevitable collapse and real >>>> austerity that will result if someone doesn't have to guts to tackle the >>>> issue? Of course not, you just want your stuff. Set your politics
aside for awhile and get your head out of the sand. This is
unsustainable, and everyone knows it. Anyone thinking clearly must now >>>> imagine it must be intentional.
Also mentioned, but not reported by the liberal media, is the hope that >>>> at least Biden will finally come to the table and negotiate, like he
always insisted on when he was in the Senate. This will never pass as
is in the Democrat Senate, and the house surely knew this. So when do
you think your man in the Whitehouse will get serious and try to solve >>>> the issue? Or do you really think printing and spending another $7
Trillion is what we need right now?
Nope, what we *really* need to do is get rid of the tax breaks #45 and the Republicans gifted to rich people.
understood raising taxes would lower the amount the government brought
in. Libs just don't get it. Trumps tax plan created the best economy
this country has ever seen. There is simply no honest denying it. Of
course that doesn't mean partisan people like you will do it. This war
on the rich and making them pay "their fair share" gets libs votes. Now
your friends want to tax unrealized gains. Insanity.
<https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/courage-strength-optimism/its-official-trumps-tax-cuts-paid-for-themselves>
<https://www.heritage.org/taxes/commentary/the-numbers-are-trumps-tax-cuts-paid>
(Just as a side note, because we have a lot of people here who believe in magic money: In order to print and spend $7,000,000,000 we would need to borrow that amount of money. Otherwise you end up like Germany before the war. The national debt exists
TBNot $7,000,000,000. You missed three zeroes. It's $7,000,000,000,000!
Are you clueless about how the Fed creates money, or are you just lying
about the pyramid scheme it has actually created and the fact the debt
exists and is unsustainable? It's not magic, but most on the LEFT think
it is. We've all seen the videos of people saying Obama would give them
their stuff, like the government actually has money of it's own.
Though not magic, the system now mostly works on the *promise* that the
by purchasing and selling of things like treasury bonds and injecting
them as funds into the banking system, that the bonds are secured by the
full faith and credit of the U.S government. What do you think the
fight is about right now? The national debt never gets paid. The more
money the Fed inserts into the system creates inflation which
accelerates the problem and devalues the currency further. Someday,
when real austerity hits, our children and grandchildren will have to
pay the price of the cowardice of our politicians for not addressing
this. You think this can go on forever and all the ridiculous social
engineering the libs want comes without cost. That would be magic.
Your answer is to tax the rich, and crush the economy further. It's all
mind numbingly dumb.
Our government has always spent more than they take in, right from the start. We just keeping rolling our debt over. We have never paid our debt for WWII for example. Since you believe in magic money I'm not going to waste a lot of time on this.
"Please Don’t Feed the Debt Scolds"it almost completely dominated the political conversation, to such an extent that, as Ezra Klein pointed out, the media abandoned the normal rules of reportorial neutrality and openly cheered proposals to cut Social Security and Medicare.
"The point is that in the early 2010s, the last time we faced a potential crisis over the debt ceiling, there was an elite consensus that budget deficits were a severe, even existential threat. This consensus was, in retrospect, completely wrong. Yet
And those of us who challenged the elite consensus, mocking the peddlers of debt panic as Very Serious People (because ranting about the evils of debt sounds serious and responsible, even when the math doesn’t support the rhetoric), were treated asodd and out of touch.
Now the Very Serious People are trying to make a comeback, in effect lending cover to Republican efforts to hold America hostage by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. So it’s important to realize that the case for debt panic is, if anything, evenweaker than it was in 2011.
It’s true that U.S. debt is very large — $31 trillion (said in your best Dr. Evil voice). But America is a big country, so almost every economic number is very large. A better way to think about debt is to ask whether interest payments are a majorburden on the budget. In 2011 these payments were 1.47 percent of gross domestic product — half what they had been in the mid-1990s. In 2021 they were 1.51 percent. This number will rise as existing debt is rolled over at higher interest rates, but
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/23/opinion/government-debt-deficit.html
TB
On 4/30/2023 1:38 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:Administration and many other federal agencies, according to a Social Security advocacy group."
On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:54:58 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
On 4/29/2023 4:50 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 2:28:32 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
On 4/29/2023 11:34 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
217 is the number of patriotic Republicans who voted for a major reduction in benefits for veterans.
"Veterans are blasting the debt ceiling legislation passed by the Republican-controlled House this week, warning it will cut key programs and services for the nation’s retired service members.
The House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act largely along party lines in a 217-215 vote Wednesday night despite the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) warning of a drastic 22 percent cut to the department’s budget under the bill."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-sound-alarm-mccarthy-budget-220831185.html
Their ransom note is also seeking cuts in other programs, like Social Security after Republicans many denials that they would not do this.
"The full House passed by a 217-215 vote late Wednesday afternoon Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s bill to raise the debt limit — the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 — which would result in at least a 23% budget cut to the Social Security
exists because we borrowed that money so we could spend it. There is no magic money.)Yeah, you have to go back to Kennedy for a time when DemocratsKinda funny considering the fool in the Whitehouse is the one on tape >>>> actually stating cuts to the entitlement programs were on the table. >>>> Course that was back when he could assemble a full sentence. He has >>>> always been dumb, but at least he used to be able to talk. It is simply >>>> fear-mongering FWIW, instead of using those thousands of new government >>>> workers at the IRS, they should hire them to root out the corruption in >>>> the Social Security administration. That would help get the program on >>>> a better path to solvency.
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-limit-bill-that-trims-social-security-administration/
TB
The republicans, in passing the legislation, have all vowed that no cuts
to veterans benefits, Social Security, or Medicaid would happen. But I >>>> applaud their courage in being realists and insisting something has to >>>> be done to get the spending and debt under control. Perhaps you're
aware of the current inflation, the Biden spending that mostly caused >>>> it, $31.7 Trillion national debt, and the inevitable collapse and real >>>> austerity that will result if someone doesn't have to guts to tackle the
issue? Of course not, you just want your stuff. Set your politics
aside for awhile and get your head out of the sand. This is
unsustainable, and everyone knows it. Anyone thinking clearly must now >>>> imagine it must be intentional.
Also mentioned, but not reported by the liberal media, is the hope that >>>> at least Biden will finally come to the table and negotiate, like he >>>> always insisted on when he was in the Senate. This will never pass as >>>> is in the Democrat Senate, and the house surely knew this. So when do >>>> you think your man in the Whitehouse will get serious and try to solve >>>> the issue? Or do you really think printing and spending another $7
Trillion is what we need right now?
Nope, what we *really* need to do is get rid of the tax breaks #45 and the Republicans gifted to rich people.
understood raising taxes would lower the amount the government brought
in. Libs just don't get it. Trumps tax plan created the best economy
this country has ever seen. There is simply no honest denying it. Of
course that doesn't mean partisan people like you will do it. This war
on the rich and making them pay "their fair share" gets libs votes. Now >> your friends want to tax unrealized gains. Insanity.
<https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/courage-strength-optimism/its-official-trumps-tax-cuts-paid-for-themselves>
<https://www.heritage.org/taxes/commentary/the-numbers-are-trumps-tax-cuts-paid>
(Just as a side note, because we have a lot of people here who believe in magic money: In order to print and spend $7,000,000,000 we would need to borrow that amount of money. Otherwise you end up like Germany before the war. The national debt
it almost completely dominated the political conversation, to such an extent that, as Ezra Klein pointed out, the media abandoned the normal rules of reportorial neutrality and openly cheered proposals to cut Social Security and Medicare.Not $7,000,000,000. You missed three zeroes. It's $7,000,000,000,000!
TB
Are you clueless about how the Fed creates money, or are you just lying >> about the pyramid scheme it has actually created and the fact the debt
exists and is unsustainable? It's not magic, but most on the LEFT think >> it is. We've all seen the videos of people saying Obama would give them >> their stuff, like the government actually has money of it's own.
Though not magic, the system now mostly works on the *promise* that the >> by purchasing and selling of things like treasury bonds and injecting
them as funds into the banking system, that the bonds are secured by the >> full faith and credit of the U.S government. What do you think the
fight is about right now? The national debt never gets paid. The more
money the Fed inserts into the system creates inflation which
accelerates the problem and devalues the currency further. Someday,
when real austerity hits, our children and grandchildren will have to
pay the price of the cowardice of our politicians for not addressing
this. You think this can go on forever and all the ridiculous social
engineering the libs want comes without cost. That would be magic.
Your answer is to tax the rich, and crush the economy further. It's all >> mind numbingly dumb.
Our government has always spent more than they take in, right from the start. We just keeping rolling our debt over. We have never paid our debt for WWII for example. Since you believe in magic money I'm not going to waste a lot of time on this.
Hilarous! As I pointed out above, it is you who thinks this huge debt
is somehow not a real issue and thinks it is magic, and the politicians
are wizards who can keep the act rolling.
"Please Don’t Feed the Debt Scolds"
"The point is that in the early 2010s, the last time we faced a potential crisis over the debt ceiling, there was an elite consensus that budget deficits were a severe, even existential threat. This consensus was, in retrospect, completely wrong. Yet
odd and out of touch.And those of us who challenged the elite consensus, mocking the peddlers of debt panic as Very Serious People (because ranting about the evils of debt sounds serious and responsible, even when the math doesn’t support the rhetoric), were treated as
weaker than it was in 2011.Now the Very Serious People are trying to make a comeback, in effect lending cover to Republican efforts to hold America hostage by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. So it’s important to realize that the case for debt panic is, if anything, even
major burden on the budget. In 2011 these payments were 1.47 percent of gross domestic product — half what they had been in the mid-1990s. In 2021 they were 1.51 percent. This number will rise as existing debt is rolled over at higher interest rates,It’s true that U.S. debt is very large — $31 trillion (said in your best Dr. Evil voice). But America is a big country, so almost every economic number is very large. A better way to think about debt is to ask whether interest payments are a
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/23/opinion/government-debt-deficit.html
TBI like how you use a NY Slimes article, a well known conservative
outlet, to gloss over the facts. As an example they cite interest only payments based on the GDP. That is really slight of hand wizardry,
though often used to define how bad the problem is. They use it to
minimize it, amazingly. They could have given a real number. $475
billion in fiscal year 2022. Half a trillion dollars!
<https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/02/interest-costs-on-the-national-debt-are-on-track-to-reach-a-record-high>
Or how about this: "Divided among the U.S. population, the total
federal debt is at $94,000 per person or $240,000 per U.S. household."
Considering over half the population doesn't even pay any taxes, I'll
just mail in $188K and hope you all do the same. Ha!
<https://www.cato.org/blog/debt-limit-high-costs-debt>
Claiming that interest payments will remain below 1% is so laughable
only a democrat would fall for it. Of course, only democrats give a
rats ass what the NY Slimes have to say anymore. The rest of us rightly
view it as pure DNC propaganda. They don't even try to hide it anymore.
If the NY Slimes writes it, usually the opposite is true!
There's obviously no sense debating with a lefty like you on these
things, but I still applaud any member of congress who has the guts to address the situation.
On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:06:15 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:Administration and many other federal agencies, according to a Social Security advocacy group."
On 4/30/2023 1:38 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:54:58 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
On 4/29/2023 4:50 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 2:28:32 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
On 4/29/2023 11:34 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
217 is the number of patriotic Republicans who voted for a major reduction in benefits for veterans.
"Veterans are blasting the debt ceiling legislation passed by the Republican-controlled House this week, warning it will cut key programs and services for the nation’s retired service members.
The House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act largely along party lines in a 217-215 vote Wednesday night despite the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) warning of a drastic 22 percent cut to the department’s budget under the bill."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-sound-alarm-mccarthy-budget-220831185.html
Their ransom note is also seeking cuts in other programs, like Social Security after Republicans many denials that they would not do this.
"The full House passed by a 217-215 vote late Wednesday afternoon Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s bill to raise the debt limit — the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 — which would result in at least a 23% budget cut to the Social Security
exists because we borrowed that money so we could spend it. There is no magic money.)Yeah, you have to go back to Kennedy for a time when DemocratsKinda funny considering the fool in the Whitehouse is the one on tape >>>>>> actually stating cuts to the entitlement programs were on the table. >>>>>> Course that was back when he could assemble a full sentence. He has >>>>>> always been dumb, but at least he used to be able to talk. It is simply >>>>>> fear-mongering FWIW, instead of using those thousands of new government >>>>>> workers at the IRS, they should hire them to root out the corruption in >>>>>> the Social Security administration. That would help get the program on >>>>>> a better path to solvency.
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-limit-bill-that-trims-social-security-administration/
TB
The republicans, in passing the legislation, have all vowed that no cuts >>>>>> to veterans benefits, Social Security, or Medicaid would happen. But I >>>>>> applaud their courage in being realists and insisting something has to >>>>>> be done to get the spending and debt under control. Perhaps you're >>>>>> aware of the current inflation, the Biden spending that mostly caused >>>>>> it, $31.7 Trillion national debt, and the inevitable collapse and real >>>>>> austerity that will result if someone doesn't have to guts to tackle the >>>>>> issue? Of course not, you just want your stuff. Set your politics
aside for awhile and get your head out of the sand. This is
unsustainable, and everyone knows it. Anyone thinking clearly must now >>>>>> imagine it must be intentional.
Also mentioned, but not reported by the liberal media, is the hope that >>>>>> at least Biden will finally come to the table and negotiate, like he >>>>>> always insisted on when he was in the Senate. This will never pass as >>>>>> is in the Democrat Senate, and the house surely knew this. So when do >>>>>> you think your man in the Whitehouse will get serious and try to solve >>>>>> the issue? Or do you really think printing and spending another $7 >>>>>> Trillion is what we need right now?
Nope, what we *really* need to do is get rid of the tax breaks #45 and the Republicans gifted to rich people.
understood raising taxes would lower the amount the government brought >>>> in. Libs just don't get it. Trumps tax plan created the best economy
this country has ever seen. There is simply no honest denying it. Of
course that doesn't mean partisan people like you will do it. This war >>>> on the rich and making them pay "their fair share" gets libs votes. Now >>>> your friends want to tax unrealized gains. Insanity.
<https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/courage-strength-optimism/its-official-trumps-tax-cuts-paid-for-themselves>
<https://www.heritage.org/taxes/commentary/the-numbers-are-trumps-tax-cuts-paid>
(Just as a side note, because we have a lot of people here who believe in magic money: In order to print and spend $7,000,000,000 we would need to borrow that amount of money. Otherwise you end up like Germany before the war. The national debt
it almost completely dominated the political conversation, to such an extent that, as Ezra Klein pointed out, the media abandoned the normal rules of reportorial neutrality and openly cheered proposals to cut Social Security and Medicare.Hilarous! As I pointed out above, it is you who thinks this huge debtNot $7,000,000,000. You missed three zeroes. It's $7,000,000,000,000!
TB
Are you clueless about how the Fed creates money, or are you just lying >>>> about the pyramid scheme it has actually created and the fact the debt >>>> exists and is unsustainable? It's not magic, but most on the LEFT think >>>> it is. We've all seen the videos of people saying Obama would give them >>>> their stuff, like the government actually has money of it's own.
Though not magic, the system now mostly works on the *promise* that the >>>> by purchasing and selling of things like treasury bonds and injecting
them as funds into the banking system, that the bonds are secured by the >>>> full faith and credit of the U.S government. What do you think the
fight is about right now? The national debt never gets paid. The more
money the Fed inserts into the system creates inflation which
accelerates the problem and devalues the currency further. Someday,
when real austerity hits, our children and grandchildren will have to
pay the price of the cowardice of our politicians for not addressing
this. You think this can go on forever and all the ridiculous social
engineering the libs want comes without cost. That would be magic.
Your answer is to tax the rich, and crush the economy further. It's all >>>> mind numbingly dumb.
Our government has always spent more than they take in, right from the start. We just keeping rolling our debt over. We have never paid our debt for WWII for example. Since you believe in magic money I'm not going to waste a lot of time on this.
is somehow not a real issue and thinks it is magic, and the politicians
are wizards who can keep the act rolling.
"Please Don’t Feed the Debt Scolds"
"The point is that in the early 2010s, the last time we faced a potential crisis over the debt ceiling, there was an elite consensus that budget deficits were a severe, even existential threat. This consensus was, in retrospect, completely wrong. Yet
odd and out of touch.
And those of us who challenged the elite consensus, mocking the peddlers of debt panic as Very Serious People (because ranting about the evils of debt sounds serious and responsible, even when the math doesn’t support the rhetoric), were treated as
weaker than it was in 2011.
Now the Very Serious People are trying to make a comeback, in effect lending cover to Republican efforts to hold America hostage by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. So it’s important to realize that the case for debt panic is, if anything, even
major burden on the budget. In 2011 these payments were 1.47 percent of gross domestic product — half what they had been in the mid-1990s. In 2021 they were 1.51 percent. This number will rise as existing debt is rolled over at higher interest rates,
It’s true that U.S. debt is very large — $31 trillion (said in your best Dr. Evil voice). But America is a big country, so almost every economic number is very large. A better way to think about debt is to ask whether interest payments are a
about?I like how you use a NY Slimes article, a well known conservative
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/23/opinion/government-debt-deficit.html
TB
outlet, to gloss over the facts. As an example they cite interest only
payments based on the GDP. That is really slight of hand wizardry,
though often used to define how bad the problem is. They use it to
minimize it, amazingly. They could have given a real number. $475
billion in fiscal year 2022. Half a trillion dollars!
<https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/02/interest-costs-on-the-national-debt-are-on-track-to-reach-a-record-high>
Or how about this: "Divided among the U.S. population, the total
federal debt is at $94,000 per person or $240,000 per U.S. household."
Considering over half the population doesn't even pay any taxes, I'll
just mail in $188K and hope you all do the same. Ha!
<https://www.cato.org/blog/debt-limit-high-costs-debt>
Claiming that interest payments will remain below 1% is so laughable
only a democrat would fall for it. Of course, only democrats give a
rats ass what the NY Slimes have to say anymore. The rest of us rightly
view it as pure DNC propaganda. They don't even try to hide it anymore.
If the NY Slimes writes it, usually the opposite is true!
There's obviously no sense debating with a lefty like you on these
things, but I still applaud any member of congress who has the guts to
address the situation.
What about the military, and V.A. funds, for our heroes, who served, & the ones who put their lives on the line for our nation now? Why is, or should, the GOP proudly pinch that funding? Isn't patriotism what Republicans are supposed to be all
Uncle Sugar
On 4/30/2023 8:15 PM, film...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:06:15 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
On 4/30/2023 1:38 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:54:58 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:Hilarous! As I pointed out above, it is you who thinks this huge debt
On 4/29/2023 4:50 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 2:28:32 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:Yeah, you have to go back to Kennedy for a time when Democrats
On 4/29/2023 11:34 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
217 is the number of patriotic Republicans who voted for a major >>>>>>>> reduction in benefits for veterans.Kinda funny considering the fool in the Whitehouse is the one on >>>>>>> tape
"Veterans are blasting the debt ceiling legislation passed by
the Republican-controlled House this week, warning it will cut >>>>>>>> key programs and services for the nation’s retired service members. >>>>>>>>
The House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act largely along party >>>>>>>> lines in a 217-215 vote Wednesday night despite the Department >>>>>>>> of Veterans Affairs (VA) warning of a drastic 22 percent cut to >>>>>>>> the department’s budget under the bill."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-sound-alarm-mccarthy-budget-220831185.html
Their ransom note is also seeking cuts in other programs, like >>>>>>>> Social Security after Republicans many denials that they would >>>>>>>> not do this.
"The full House passed by a 217-215 vote late Wednesday
afternoon Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s bill to raise the debt limit >>>>>>>> — the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 — which would result in at >>>>>>>> least a 23% budget cut to the Social Security Administration and >>>>>>>> many other federal agencies, according to a Social Security
advocacy group."
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-limit-bill-that-trims-social-security-administration/
TB
actually stating cuts to the entitlement programs were on the table. >>>>>>> Course that was back when he could assemble a full sentence. He has >>>>>>> always been dumb, but at least he used to be able to talk. It is >>>>>>> simply
fear-mongering FWIW, instead of using those thousands of new
government
workers at the IRS, they should hire them to root out the
corruption in
the Social Security administration. That would help get the
program on
a better path to solvency.
The republicans, in passing the legislation, have all vowed that >>>>>>> no cuts
to veterans benefits, Social Security, or Medicaid would happen. >>>>>>> But I
applaud their courage in being realists and insisting something
has to
be done to get the spending and debt under control. Perhaps you're >>>>>>> aware of the current inflation, the Biden spending that mostly
caused
it, $31.7 Trillion national debt, and the inevitable collapse and >>>>>>> real
austerity that will result if someone doesn't have to guts to
tackle the
issue? Of course not, you just want your stuff. Set your politics >>>>>>> aside for awhile and get your head out of the sand. This is
unsustainable, and everyone knows it. Anyone thinking clearly
must now
imagine it must be intentional.
Also mentioned, but not reported by the liberal media, is the
hope that
at least Biden will finally come to the table and negotiate, like he >>>>>>> always insisted on when he was in the Senate. This will never
pass as
is in the Democrat Senate, and the house surely knew this. So
when do
you think your man in the Whitehouse will get serious and try to >>>>>>> solve
the issue? Or do you really think printing and spending another $7 >>>>>>> Trillion is what we need right now?
Nope, what we *really* need to do is get rid of the tax breaks #45 >>>>>> and the Republicans gifted to rich people.
understood raising taxes would lower the amount the government brought >>>>> in. Libs just don't get it. Trumps tax plan created the best economy >>>>> this country has ever seen. There is simply no honest denying it. Of >>>>> course that doesn't mean partisan people like you will do it. This war >>>>> on the rich and making them pay "their fair share" gets libs votes.
Now
your friends want to tax unrealized gains. Insanity.
<https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/courage-strength-optimism/its-official-trumps-tax-cuts-paid-for-themselves>
<https://www.heritage.org/taxes/commentary/the-numbers-are-trumps-tax-cuts-paid>
(Just as a side note, because we have a lot of people here whoNot $7,000,000,000. You missed three zeroes. It's $7,000,000,000,000! >>>>> Are you clueless about how the Fed creates money, or are you just
believe in magic money: In order to print and spend $7,000,000,000 >>>>>> we would need to borrow that amount of money. Otherwise you end up >>>>>> like Germany before the war. The national debt exists because we
borrowed that money so we could spend it. There is no magic money.) >>>>>>
TB
lying
about the pyramid scheme it has actually created and the fact the debt >>>>> exists and is unsustainable? It's not magic, but most on the LEFT
think
it is. We've all seen the videos of people saying Obama would give
them
their stuff, like the government actually has money of it's own.
Though not magic, the system now mostly works on the *promise* that
the
by purchasing and selling of things like treasury bonds and injecting >>>>> them as funds into the banking system, that the bonds are secured
by the
full faith and credit of the U.S government. What do you think the
fight is about right now? The national debt never gets paid. The more >>>>> money the Fed inserts into the system creates inflation which
accelerates the problem and devalues the currency further. Someday,
when real austerity hits, our children and grandchildren will have to >>>>> pay the price of the cowardice of our politicians for not addressing >>>>> this. You think this can go on forever and all the ridiculous social >>>>> engineering the libs want comes without cost. That would be magic.
Your answer is to tax the rich, and crush the economy further. It's
all
mind numbingly dumb.
Our government has always spent more than they take in, right from
the start. We just keeping rolling our debt over. We have never paid
our debt for WWII for example. Since you believe in magic money I'm
not going to waste a lot of time on this.
is somehow not a real issue and thinks it is magic, and the politicians
are wizards who can keep the act rolling.
"Please Don’t Feed the Debt Scolds"I like how you use a NY Slimes article, a well known conservative
"The point is that in the early 2010s, the last time we faced a
potential crisis over the debt ceiling, there was an elite consensus
that budget deficits were a severe, even existential threat. This
consensus was, in retrospect, completely wrong. Yet it almost
completely dominated the political conversation, to such an extent
that, as Ezra Klein pointed out, the media abandoned the normal
rules of reportorial neutrality and openly cheered proposals to cut
Social Security and Medicare.
And those of us who challenged the elite consensus, mocking the
peddlers of debt panic as Very Serious People (because ranting about
the evils of debt sounds serious and responsible, even when the math
doesn’t support the rhetoric), were treated as odd and out of touch. >>>>
Now the Very Serious People are trying to make a comeback, in effect
lending cover to Republican efforts to hold America hostage by
refusing to raise the debt ceiling. So it’s important to realize
that the case for debt panic is, if anything, even weaker than it
was in 2011.
It’s true that U.S. debt is very large — $31 trillion (said in your >>>> best Dr. Evil voice). But America is a big country, so almost every
economic number is very large. A better way to think about debt is
to ask whether interest payments are a major burden on the budget.
In 2011 these payments were 1.47 percent of gross domestic product — >>>> half what they had been in the mid-1990s. In 2021 they were 1.51
percent. This number will rise as existing debt is rolled over at
higher interest rates, but real net interest — interest payments
adjusted for inflation — is likely to remain below 1 percent of
G.D.P for the next decade."
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/23/opinion/government-debt-deficit.html >>>>
TB
outlet, to gloss over the facts. As an example they cite interest only
payments based on the GDP. That is really slight of hand wizardry,
though often used to define how bad the problem is. They use it to
minimize it, amazingly. They could have given a real number. $475
billion in fiscal year 2022. Half a trillion dollars!
<https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/02/interest-costs-on-the-national-debt-are-on-track-to-reach-a-record-high>
Or how about this: "Divided among the U.S. population, the total
federal debt is at $94,000 per person or $240,000 per U.S. household."
Considering over half the population doesn't even pay any taxes, I'll
just mail in $188K and hope you all do the same. Ha!
<https://www.cato.org/blog/debt-limit-high-costs-debt>
Claiming that interest payments will remain below 1% is so laughable
only a democrat would fall for it. Of course, only democrats give a
rats ass what the NY Slimes have to say anymore. The rest of us rightly
view it as pure DNC propaganda. They don't even try to hide it anymore.
If the NY Slimes writes it, usually the opposite is true!
There's obviously no sense debating with a lefty like you on these
things, but I still applaud any member of congress who has the guts to
address the situation.
What about the military, and V.A. funds, for our heroes, who served,
& the ones who put their lives on the line for our nation now? Why
is, or should, the GOP proudly pinch that funding? Isn't patriotism
what Republicans are supposed to be all about?
Uncle Sugar
I can see reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 2:06:15 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:Administration and many other federal agencies, according to a Social Security advocacy group."
On 4/30/2023 1:38 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:54:58 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
On 4/29/2023 4:50 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 2:28:32 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
On 4/29/2023 11:34 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
217 is the number of patriotic Republicans who voted for a major reduction in benefits for veterans.
"Veterans are blasting the debt ceiling legislation passed by the Republican-controlled House this week, warning it will cut key programs and services for the nation’s retired service members.
The House passed the Limit, Save, Grow Act largely along party lines in a 217-215 vote Wednesday night despite the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) warning of a drastic 22 percent cut to the department’s budget under the bill."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/veterans-sound-alarm-mccarthy-budget-220831185.html
Their ransom note is also seeking cuts in other programs, like Social Security after Republicans many denials that they would not do this.
"The full House passed by a 217-215 vote late Wednesday afternoon Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s bill to raise the debt limit — the Limit, Save, Grow Act of 2023 — which would result in at least a 23% budget cut to the Social Security
exists because we borrowed that money so we could spend it. There is no magic money.)Yeah, you have to go back to Kennedy for a time when DemocratsKinda funny considering the fool in the Whitehouse is the one on tape >>>> actually stating cuts to the entitlement programs were on the table. >>>> Course that was back when he could assemble a full sentence. He has >>>> always been dumb, but at least he used to be able to talk. It is simply
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2023/04/26/house-passes-debt-limit-bill-that-trims-social-security-administration/
TB
fear-mongering FWIW, instead of using those thousands of new government
workers at the IRS, they should hire them to root out the corruption in
the Social Security administration. That would help get the program on
a better path to solvency.
The republicans, in passing the legislation, have all vowed that no cuts
to veterans benefits, Social Security, or Medicaid would happen. But I
applaud their courage in being realists and insisting something has to
be done to get the spending and debt under control. Perhaps you're >>>> aware of the current inflation, the Biden spending that mostly caused >>>> it, $31.7 Trillion national debt, and the inevitable collapse and real
austerity that will result if someone doesn't have to guts to tackle the
issue? Of course not, you just want your stuff. Set your politics >>>> aside for awhile and get your head out of the sand. This is
unsustainable, and everyone knows it. Anyone thinking clearly must now
imagine it must be intentional.
Also mentioned, but not reported by the liberal media, is the hope that
at least Biden will finally come to the table and negotiate, like he >>>> always insisted on when he was in the Senate. This will never pass as >>>> is in the Democrat Senate, and the house surely knew this. So when do >>>> you think your man in the Whitehouse will get serious and try to solve
the issue? Or do you really think printing and spending another $7 >>>> Trillion is what we need right now?
Nope, what we *really* need to do is get rid of the tax breaks #45 and the Republicans gifted to rich people.
understood raising taxes would lower the amount the government brought >> in. Libs just don't get it. Trumps tax plan created the best economy
this country has ever seen. There is simply no honest denying it. Of
course that doesn't mean partisan people like you will do it. This war >> on the rich and making them pay "their fair share" gets libs votes. Now >> your friends want to tax unrealized gains. Insanity.
<https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/courage-strength-optimism/its-official-trumps-tax-cuts-paid-for-themselves>
<https://www.heritage.org/taxes/commentary/the-numbers-are-trumps-tax-cuts-paid>
(Just as a side note, because we have a lot of people here who believe in magic money: In order to print and spend $7,000,000,000 we would need to borrow that amount of money. Otherwise you end up like Germany before the war. The national debt
Yet it almost completely dominated the political conversation, to such an extent that, as Ezra Klein pointed out, the media abandoned the normal rules of reportorial neutrality and openly cheered proposals to cut Social Security and Medicare.Not $7,000,000,000. You missed three zeroes. It's $7,000,000,000,000! >> Are you clueless about how the Fed creates money, or are you just lying >> about the pyramid scheme it has actually created and the fact the debt >> exists and is unsustainable? It's not magic, but most on the LEFT think >> it is. We've all seen the videos of people saying Obama would give them >> their stuff, like the government actually has money of it's own.
TB
Though not magic, the system now mostly works on the *promise* that the >> by purchasing and selling of things like treasury bonds and injecting >> them as funds into the banking system, that the bonds are secured by the
full faith and credit of the U.S government. What do you think the
fight is about right now? The national debt never gets paid. The more >> money the Fed inserts into the system creates inflation which
accelerates the problem and devalues the currency further. Someday,
when real austerity hits, our children and grandchildren will have to >> pay the price of the cowardice of our politicians for not addressing
this. You think this can go on forever and all the ridiculous social
engineering the libs want comes without cost. That would be magic.
Your answer is to tax the rich, and crush the economy further. It's all >> mind numbingly dumb.
Our government has always spent more than they take in, right from the start. We just keeping rolling our debt over. We have never paid our debt for WWII for example. Since you believe in magic money I'm not going to waste a lot of time on this.
Hilarous! As I pointed out above, it is you who thinks this huge debt
is somehow not a real issue and thinks it is magic, and the politicians are wizards who can keep the act rolling.
"Please Don’t Feed the Debt Scolds"
"The point is that in the early 2010s, the last time we faced a potential crisis over the debt ceiling, there was an elite consensus that budget deficits were a severe, even existential threat. This consensus was, in retrospect, completely wrong.
as odd and out of touch.And those of us who challenged the elite consensus, mocking the peddlers of debt panic as Very Serious People (because ranting about the evils of debt sounds serious and responsible, even when the math doesn’t support the rhetoric), were treated
even weaker than it was in 2011.Now the Very Serious People are trying to make a comeback, in effect lending cover to Republican efforts to hold America hostage by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. So it’s important to realize that the case for debt panic is, if anything,
major burden on the budget. In 2011 these payments were 1.47 percent of gross domestic product — half what they had been in the mid-1990s. In 2021 they were 1.51 percent. This number will rise as existing debt is rolled over at higher interest rates,It’s true that U.S. debt is very large — $31 trillion (said in your best Dr. Evil voice). But America is a big country, so almost every economic number is very large. A better way to think about debt is to ask whether interest payments are a
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/23/opinion/government-debt-deficit.html
TBI like how you use a NY Slimes article, a well known conservative
outlet, to gloss over the facts. As an example they cite interest only payments based on the GDP. That is really slight of hand wizardry,
though often used to define how bad the problem is. They use it to minimize it, amazingly. They could have given a real number. $475
billion in fiscal year 2022. Half a trillion dollars!
<https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/02/interest-costs-on-the-national-debt-are-on-track-to-reach-a-record-high>
Or how about this: "Divided among the U.S. population, the total
federal debt is at $94,000 per person or $240,000 per U.S. household."
Considering over half the population doesn't even pay any taxes, I'll
just mail in $188K and hope you all do the same. Ha!
<https://www.cato.org/blog/debt-limit-high-costs-debt>
Claiming that interest payments will remain below 1% is so laughable
only a democrat would fall for it. Of course, only democrats give a
rats ass what the NY Slimes have to say anymore. The rest of us rightly view it as pure DNC propaganda. They don't even try to hide it anymore.
If the NY Slimes writes it, usually the opposite is true!
There's obviously no sense debating with a lefty like you on theseWhat about the military, and V.A. funds, for our heroes, who served, & the ones who put their lives on the line for our nation now? Why is, or should, the GOP proudly pinch that funding? Isn't patriotism what Republicans are supposed to be all about?
things, but I still applaud any member of congress who has the guts to address the situation.
Uncle Sugar
"President Biden: I hear House Republicans out on TV saying they would never vote to cut veterans'...
I hear House Republicans out on TV saying they would never vote to cut veterans’ benefits.
In case there’s any confusion, I made a little chart that could help them out."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217876654
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