$5 Million Per Person Reparation Payments
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black
residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5 million
per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and
reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the possible
forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual
income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a family.”
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million payments and
some members issued statements that bordered on the incomprehensible. Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my constituents who lost their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing or we would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our future,
for everybody’s collective future.”
Frank Howell <fpho...@usermail.com> wrote:
$5 Million Per Person Reparation Payments
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5 million
per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and
reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the possible forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual
income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a family.”
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million payments and some members issued statements that bordered on the incomprehensible. Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my constituents who lost their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing or we would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our future, for everybody’s collective future.”Does this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and move there to “get what I deserve”?
--
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social Security, as well. I meant Medicare and Medicaid. I meant veterans’ benefits. I meant every single solitary thing in the government." — Joe Biden (January 31, 1995)
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 5:15:25 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:
Frank Howell <fpho...@usermail.com> wrote:
$5 Million Per Person Reparation PaymentsDoes this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and move there >> to “get what I deserve”?
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black
residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5 million
per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and
reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the possible
forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual
income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a family.”
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million payments and
some members issued statements that bordered on the incomprehensible.
Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my constituents who lost >>> their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing or we >>> would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our future,
for everybody’s collective future.”
--
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social
Security, as well. I meant Medicare and Medicaid. I meant veterans’
benefits. I meant every single solitary thing in the government." — Joe
Biden (January 31, 1995)
There's no rush. It sounds like they'll be yakking about this
for at least the rest of 2023. When they get done talking all they have
to do is figure out where all that money is coming from.
They should be happy to see you when you show up. They're
running out of Black people. At the rate they're going there won't be any Black people left to pay reparations to soon.
""This Black community does not need to be set up for trickery and for failure. Their hopes should not be raised up by just words, words,
words," Rev. Amos Brown told NPR a day after the meeting.
In addition to being a lead pastor at Third Baptist San Francisco, the
city's oldest Black church, Brown is president of the San Francisco
NAACP. He said he's "been in the civil rights struggle for 68 years" and learned from Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Frustrated and fuming, Brown noted that he had urged the board to reject
the $5 million payment proposal ahead of the meeting.
To be clear, Brown said he expects monetary restitution to be part of any reparations package by the city, the state and the federal government.
But first, he said, officials must focus on the future and the best path forward toward equality and justice. For Brown, that means investing in housing, education, healthcare, economic empowerment and cultural centers
for San Francisco's dwindling Black community.
At its peak in the 1970s, African Americans made up about 13.5% of the
city's population. As of 2022, the number dropped to 5.7%. That makes it
one of the biggest cities in the nation with one of the lowest shares of black residents.
"There should be deliberate action to stop the hemorrhaging of this black population if we want to have any Black people left to give reparations to," Brown said.
Brown also noted the city's budget deficit. "They know there's no money
to pay for it," Brown said. "So all they did was just give lip service.
It's not fair. It's not honest."
By voting to accept the proposal without any indication of how they'd
fund it, politicians get to have it both ways, according to Brown.
"They offer low hanging fruit that seems like a victory but you know will only [lead to] more studies. And that's another game. Another delaying tactic. That gets people frustrated until things dissipate and then self-destruct. We've got to stop that. It's time for America to pay up
and deal in substance, with integrity and with accountability," Brown said."
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/18/1164126348/san-francisco-reparations-proposal-activists
On the other side of the bay 22% of the people in Oakland are
Black. This should give them a clue.
TB
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 5:15:25 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:this could be the sticking point:
Frank Howell <fpho...@usermail.com> wrote:
$5 Million Per Person Reparation PaymentsDoes this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and move there >>> to “get what I deserve”?
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black
residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5 million >>>> per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and
reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the possible
forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual
income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a family.” >>>>
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million payments and >>>> some members issued statements that bordered on the incomprehensible.
Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my constituents who lost >>>> their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing or we >>>> would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our future, >>>> for everybody’s collective future.”
--
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social
Security, as well. I meant Medicare and Medicaid. I meant veterans’
benefits. I meant every single solitary thing in the government." — Joe >>> Biden (January 31, 1995)
There's no rush. It sounds like they'll be yakking about this for at
least the rest of 2023. When they get done talking all they have to do
is figure out where all that money is coming from.
They should be happy to see you when you show up. They're running out of
Black people. At the rate they're going there won't be any Black people
left to pay reparations to soon.
""This Black community does not need to be set up for trickery and for
failure. Their hopes should not be raised up by just words, words,
words," Rev. Amos Brown told NPR a day after the meeting.
In addition to being a lead pastor at Third Baptist San Francisco, the
city's oldest Black church, Brown is president of the San Francisco
NAACP. He said he's "been in the civil rights struggle for 68 years" and
learned from Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Frustrated and fuming, Brown noted that he had urged the board to reject
the $5 million payment proposal ahead of the meeting.
To be clear, Brown said he expects monetary restitution to be part of
any reparations package by the city, the state and the federal
government. But first, he said, officials must focus on the future and
the best path forward toward equality and justice. For Brown, that means
investing in housing, education, healthcare, economic empowerment and
cultural centers for San Francisco's dwindling Black community.
At its peak in the 1970s, African Americans made up about 13.5% of the
city's population. As of 2022, the number dropped to 5.7%. That makes it
one of the biggest cities in the nation with one of the lowest shares of black residents.
"There should be deliberate action to stop the hemorrhaging of this
black population if we want to have any Black people left to give
reparations to," Brown said.
Brown also noted the city's budget deficit. "They know there's no money
to pay for it," Brown said. "So all they did was just give lip service.
It's not fair. It's not honest."
By voting to accept the proposal without any indication of how they'd
fund it, politicians get to have it both ways, according to Brown.
"They offer low hanging fruit that seems like a victory but you know
will only [lead to] more studies. And that's another game. Another
delaying tactic. That gets people frustrated until things dissipate and
then self-destruct. We've got to stop that. It's time for America to pay
up and deal in substance, with integrity and with accountability," Brown said."
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/18/1164126348/san-francisco-reparations-proposal-activists
On the other side of the bay 22% of the people in Oakland are Black.
This should give them a clue.
TB
Under the U.S. Constitution’s 14th Amendment, race-based classifications trigger strict scrutiny requiring a showing of both a “compelling state interest” and “narrowly tailored” means. In City of Richmond v. J.A. Croson Co., 488 U.S. 469 (1989), the Supreme Court struck down a
set-aside for minority businesses due to a lack of evidence of specific injuries. The court ruled that general past discrimination was not
enough and added that “the dream of a Nation of equal citizens in a
society where race is irrelevant to personal opportunity and achievement would be lost in a mosaic of shifting preferences based on inherently unmeasurable claims of past wrongs.”
Frank Howell <fphowell@usermail.com> wrote:
$5 Million Per Person Reparation Payments
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black
residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5 million
per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and
reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the possible
forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual
income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a family.”
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million payments and
some members issued statements that bordered on the incomprehensible.
Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my constituents who lost
their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing or we
would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our future,
for everybody’s collective future.”
Does this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and move there
to “get what I deserve”?
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 5:15:25 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:justice. For Brown, that means investing in housing, education, healthcare, economic empowerment and cultural centers for San Francisco's dwindling Black community.
Frank Howell <fpho...@usermail.com> wrote:
$5 Million Per Person Reparation PaymentsDoes this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and move there >> to “get what I deserve”?
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black
residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5 million
per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and
reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the possible
forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual
income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a family.”
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million payments and
some members issued statements that bordered on the incomprehensible.
Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my constituents who lost >>> their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing or we >>> would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our future,
for everybody’s collective future.”
--
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social
Security, as well. I meant Medicare and Medicaid. I meant veterans’
benefits. I meant every single solitary thing in the government." — Joe
Biden (January 31, 1995)
There's no rush. It sounds like they'll be yakking about this for at least the rest of 2023. When they get done talking all they have to do is figure out where all that money is coming from.
They should be happy to see you when you show up. They're running out of Black people. At the rate they're going there won't be any Black people left to pay reparations to soon.
""This Black community does not need to be set up for trickery and for failure. Their hopes should not be raised up by just words, words, words," Rev. Amos Brown told NPR a day after the meeting.
In addition to being a lead pastor at Third Baptist San Francisco, the city's oldest Black church, Brown is president of the San Francisco NAACP. He said he's "been in the civil rights struggle for 68 years" and learned from Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Frustrated and fuming, Brown noted that he had urged the board to reject the $5 million payment proposal ahead of the meeting.
To be clear, Brown said he expects monetary restitution to be part of any reparations package by the city, the state and the federal government. But first, he said, officials must focus on the future and the best path forward toward equality and
At its peak in the 1970s, African Americans made up about 13.5% of the city's population. As of 2022, the number dropped to 5.7%. That makes it one of the biggest cities in the nation with one of the lowest shares of black residents.It's time for America to pay up and deal in substance, with integrity and with accountability," Brown said."
"There should be deliberate action to stop the hemorrhaging of this black population if we want to have any Black people left to give reparations to," Brown said.
Brown also noted the city's budget deficit. "They know there's no money to pay for it," Brown said. "So all they did was just give lip service. It's not fair. It's not honest."
By voting to accept the proposal without any indication of how they'd fund it, politicians get to have it both ways, according to Brown.
"They offer low hanging fruit that seems like a victory but you know will only [lead to] more studies. And that's another game. Another delaying tactic. That gets people frustrated until things dissipate and then self-destruct. We've got to stop that.
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/18/1164126348/san-francisco-reparations-proposal-activists
On the other side of the bay 22% of the people in Oakland are Black. This should give them a clue.
TB
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 5:15:25 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony
wrote:
Frank Howell <fpho...@usermail.com> wrote:
$5 Million Per Person Reparation Payments When was California aDoes this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and
slave state? Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for
black residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment
of $5 million per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors
met Tuesday and reportedly gave unanimous support for
reparations. Among the possible forms of reparations, the Board
is considering a guaranteed annual income of $97,000 for 250
years and a home “for just $1 a family.â€
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million
payments and some members issued statements that bordered on
the incomprehensible. Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to
“those of my constituents who lost their minds about this
proposal, it’s not something we’re doing or we would do for >>> other people. It’s something we would do for our future, for
everybody’s collective future.â€
move there to “get what I deserve�
-- "When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant
Social Security, as well. I meant Medicare and Medicaid. I meant
veterans’ benefits. I meant every single solitary thing in the
government." — Joe Biden (January 31, 1995)
There's no rush. It sounds like they'll be yakking about this for
at least the rest of 2023. When they get done talking all they have
to do is figure out where all that money is coming from.
They should be happy to see you when you show up. They're running
out of Black people. At the rate they're going there won't be any
Black people left to pay reparations to soon.
""This Black community does not need to be set up for trickery and
for failure. Their hopes should not be raised up by just words,
words, words," Rev. Amos Brown told NPR a day after the meeting.
In addition to being a lead pastor at Third Baptist San Francisco,
the city's oldest Black church, Brown is president of the San
Francisco NAACP. He said he's "been in the civil rights struggle
for 68 years" and learned from Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Frustrated and fuming, Brown noted that he had urged the board to
reject the $5 million payment proposal ahead of the meeting.
To be clear, Brown said he expects monetary restitution to be part
of any reparations package by the city, the state and the federal
government. But first, he said, officials must focus on the future
and the best path forward toward equality and justice. For Brown,
that means investing in housing, education, healthcare, economic
empowerment and cultural centers for San Francisco's dwindling
Black community.
At its peak in the 1970s, African Americans made up about 13.5% of
the city's population. As of 2022, the number dropped to 5.7%. That
makes it one of the biggest cities in the nation with one of the
lowest shares of black residents.
"There should be deliberate action to stop the hemorrhaging of this
black population if we want to have any Black people left to give
reparations to," Brown said.
Brown also noted the city's budget deficit. "They know there's no
money to pay for it," Brown said. "So all they did was just give
lip service. It's not fair. It's not honest."
By voting to accept the proposal without any indication of how
they'd fund it, politicians get to have it both ways, according to
Brown.
"They offer low hanging fruit that seems like a victory but you
know will only [lead to] more studies. And that's another game.
Another delaying tactic. That gets people frustrated until things
dissipate and then self-destruct. We've got to stop that. It's time
for America to pay up and deal in substance, with integrity and
with accountability," Brown said."
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/18/1164126348/san-francisco-reparations-proposal-activists
On the other side of the bay 22% of the people in Oakland are
Black. This should give them a clue.
this could be the sticking point:That’s all well and good but it doesn’t buy democrat votes.
Under the U.S. Constitution’s 14th Amendment, race-based classifications >> trigger strict scrutiny requiring a showing of both a “compelling state
interest” and “narrowly tailored” means. In City of Richmond v. J.A. >> Croson Co., 488 U.S. 469 (1989), the Supreme Court struck down a
set-aside for minority businesses due to a lack of evidence of specific
injuries. The court ruled that general past discrimination was not
enough and added that “the dream of a Nation of equal citizens in a
society where race is irrelevant to personal opportunity and achievement
would be lost in a mosaic of shifting preferences based on inherently
unmeasurable claims of past wrongs.”
George.Anthony wrote:
Frank Howell <fphowell@usermail.com> wrote:Those requirements have not been defined as of yet. Me thinks that
$5 Million Per Person Reparation Payments
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black
residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5 million
per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and
reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the possible
forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual
income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a family.â€
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million payments and
some members issued statements that bordered on the incomprehensible.
Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my constituents
who lost
their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing
or we
would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our
future,
for everybody’s collective future.â€
Does this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and move
there
to “get what I deserve�
they will put out numerous possible considerations and see what sticks.
That said I think this will be a very contentious proposal.
Does the American Indian have a pony in this?
California was never a slave state and the nascent recipients were
never slaves.
Frank Howell <fphowell@usermail.com> wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 5:15:25 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote: >>>> Frank Howell <fpho...@usermail.com> wrote:this could be the sticking point:
$5 Million Per Person Reparation PaymentsDoes this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and move there >>>> to “get what I deserve”?
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black
residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5 million >>>>> per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and
reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the possible >>>>> forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual
income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a family.” >>>>>
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million payments and >>>>> some members issued statements that bordered on the incomprehensible. >>>>> Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my constituents who lost >>>>> their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing or we >>>>> would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our future, >>>>> for everybody’s collective future.”
--
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social
Security, as well. I meant Medicare and Medicaid. I meant veterans’
benefits. I meant every single solitary thing in the government." — Joe >>>> Biden (January 31, 1995)
There's no rush. It sounds like they'll be yakking about this for at
least the rest of 2023. When they get done talking all they have to do
is figure out where all that money is coming from.
They should be happy to see you when you show up. They're running out of >>> Black people. At the rate they're going there won't be any Black people
left to pay reparations to soon.
""This Black community does not need to be set up for trickery and for
failure. Their hopes should not be raised up by just words, words,
words," Rev. Amos Brown told NPR a day after the meeting.
In addition to being a lead pastor at Third Baptist San Francisco, the
city's oldest Black church, Brown is president of the San Francisco
NAACP. He said he's "been in the civil rights struggle for 68 years" and >>> learned from Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Frustrated and fuming, Brown noted that he had urged the board to reject >>> the $5 million payment proposal ahead of the meeting.
To be clear, Brown said he expects monetary restitution to be part of
any reparations package by the city, the state and the federal
government. But first, he said, officials must focus on the future and
the best path forward toward equality and justice. For Brown, that means >>> investing in housing, education, healthcare, economic empowerment and
cultural centers for San Francisco's dwindling Black community.
At its peak in the 1970s, African Americans made up about 13.5% of the
city's population. As of 2022, the number dropped to 5.7%. That makes it >>> one of the biggest cities in the nation with one of the lowest shares of black residents.
"There should be deliberate action to stop the hemorrhaging of this
black population if we want to have any Black people left to give
reparations to," Brown said.
Brown also noted the city's budget deficit. "They know there's no money
to pay for it," Brown said. "So all they did was just give lip service.
It's not fair. It's not honest."
By voting to accept the proposal without any indication of how they'd
fund it, politicians get to have it both ways, according to Brown.
"They offer low hanging fruit that seems like a victory but you know
will only [lead to] more studies. And that's another game. Another
delaying tactic. That gets people frustrated until things dissipate and
then self-destruct. We've got to stop that. It's time for America to pay >>> up and deal in substance, with integrity and with accountability," Brown said."
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/18/1164126348/san-francisco-reparations-proposal-activists
On the other side of the bay 22% of the people in Oakland are Black.
This should give them a clue.
TB
Under the U.S. Constitution’s 14th Amendment, race-based classifications >> trigger strict scrutiny requiring a showing of both a “compelling state
interest” and “narrowly tailored” means. In City of Richmond v. J.A. >> Croson Co., 488 U.S. 469 (1989), the Supreme Court struck down a
set-aside for minority businesses due to a lack of evidence of specific
injuries. The court ruled that general past discrimination was not
enough and added that “the dream of a Nation of equal citizens in a
society where race is irrelevant to personal opportunity and achievement
would be lost in a mosaic of shifting preferences based on inherently
unmeasurable claims of past wrongs.”
That’s all well and good but it doesn’t buy democrat votes.
Frank Howell wrote:
George.Anthony wrote:
Frank Howell <fphowell@usermail.com> wrote:Those requirements have not been defined as of yet. Me thinks that
$5 Million Per Person Reparation Payments
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black
residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5 million >>>> per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and
reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the possible
forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual
income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a family.â€
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million payments and >>>> some members issued statements that bordered on the incomprehensible.
Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my constituents who >>>> lost
their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing
or we
would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our future,
for everybody’s collective future.â€
Does this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and move
there
to “get what I deserve�
they will put out numerous possible considerations and see what sticks.
That said I think this will be a very contentious proposal.
Does the American Indian have a pony in this?
California was never a slave state and the nascent recipients were
never slaves.
At the end of the day going forward, I think that any San Franciscan who
has a slaveholder in their ancestry - or even an allegation and/or
suspicion of such - should have to make a fiscally statistically
significant contribution to the reparations fund. And if they have more
than 2 slaveholders in their ancestry, they should literally be required
to give their house to a slave descendant, and then move to Oregon
within a reasonable passage of time.
bfh wrote:
Frank Howell wrote:Both minutes?
George.Anthony wrote:
Frank Howell <fphowell@usermail.com> wrote:Those requirements have not been defined as of yet. Me thinks that
  $5 Million Per Person Reparation Payments
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black
residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5
million
per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and
reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the
possible
forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual
income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a >>>>> family.â€Â
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million
payments and
some members issued statements that bordered on the
incomprehensible.
Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my
constituents who lost
their minds about this proposal, it’s not something >>>>> we’re doing or we
would do for other people. It’s something we would do for
our future,
for everybody’s collective future.â€Â
Does this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and
move there
to “get what I deserve�
they will put out numerous possible considerations and see what
sticks.
That said I think this will be a very contentious proposal.
Does the American Indian have a pony in this?
California was never a slave state and the nascent recipients were
never slaves.
At the end of the day going forward, I think that any San Franciscan
who has a slaveholder in their ancestry - or even an allegation
and/or suspicion of such - should have to make a fiscally
statistically significant contribution to the reparations fund. And
if they have more than 2 slaveholders in their ancestry, they should
literally be required to give their house to a slave descendant, and
then move to Oregon within a reasonable passage of time.
Frank Howell wrote:
George.Anthony wrote:
Frank Howell <fpho...@usermail.com> wrote:Those requirements have not been defined as of yet. Me thinks that
$5 Million Per Person Reparation Payments
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black
residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5 million >>> per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and
reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the possible >>> forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual
income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a family.â€
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million payments and >>> some members issued statements that bordered on the incomprehensible.
Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my constituents
who lost
their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing
or we
would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our
future,
for everybody’s collective future.â€
Does this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and move
there
to “get what I deserve†?
they will put out numerous possible considerations and see what sticks.
That said I think this will be a very contentious proposal.At the end of the day going forward, I think that any San Franciscan
Does the American Indian have a pony in this?
California was never a slave state and the nascent recipients were
never slaves.
who has a slaveholder in their ancestry - or even an allegation and/or suspicion of such - should have to make a fiscally statistically
significant contribution to the reparations fund. And if they have
more than 2 slaveholders in their ancestry, they should literally be required to give their house to a slave descendant, and then move to
Oregon within a reasonable passage of time.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:50:19 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Frank Howell wrote:
George.Anthony wrote:At the end of the day going forward, I think that any San
Frank Howell <fpho...@usermail.com> wrote:Those requirements have not been defined as of yet. Me thinks
$5 Million Per Person Reparation Payments When was
California a slave state? Is the board composed of all
blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations
for black residents of San Francisco, including a proposed
payment of $5 million per resident payment. The Board of
Supervisors met Tuesday and reportedly gave unanimous
support for reparations. Among the possible forms of
reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual
income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just
$1 a family.â€
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million
payments and some members issued statements that bordered
on the incomprehensible. Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke
to “those of my constituents who lost their minds
about this proposal, it’s not something we’re
doing or we would do for other people. It’s
something we would do for our future, for
everybody’s collective future.â€
Does this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up
and move there to “get what I deserve†?
that they will put out numerous possible considerations and see
what sticks.
That said I think this will be a very contentious proposal.
Does the American Indian have a pony in this? California was
never a slave state and the nascent recipients were never
slaves.
Franciscan who has a slaveholder in their ancestry - or even an
allegation and/or suspicion of such - should have to make a
fiscally statistically significant contribution to the
reparations fund. And if they have more than 2 slaveholders in
their ancestry, they should literally be required to give their
house to a slave descendant, and then move to Oregon within a
reasonable passage of time. -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it
don't work.
They wouldn't escape anything here. Both CA and OR were heavily
involved in what we would now call genocide, back in the day. Most
of the land here was either outright stolen from the Indians, or
bought under duress at very low prices. If they could figure out
who their descendants are slavery could be an issue here. Many of
the Indians in western Oregon captured, traded in and owned slaves.
Before and after they herded most of them onto reservations the
Indians were considered a useful source of cheap labor. Volunteers
are paying reparations through the casinos.
The Chinooks were our biggest group and they have never been
formally recognized. As I understand it some of our Indians have
formal land claims that have never been completely resolved. The
list goes on.
Back in the day Oregonians voted against slavery here by a wide
margin. At the same time they voted against allowing Black people
to live here by an even bigger margin. So maybe it could be said
that we owe the people we didn't allow to live here something? :-)
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:50:19 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:could figure out who their descendants are slavery could be an issue here. Many of the Indians in western Oregon captured, traded in and owned slaves. Before and after they herded most of them onto reservations the Indians were considered a useful source
Frank Howell wrote:
George.Anthony wrote:At the end of the day going forward, I think that any San Franciscan
Frank Howell <fpho...@usermail.com> wrote:Those requirements have not been defined as of yet. Me thinks that
$5 Million Per Person Reparation Payments
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black
residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5 million >>>>> per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and
reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the possible >>>>> forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual
income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a family.â€
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million payments and >>>>> some members issued statements that bordered on the incomprehensible. >>>>> Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my constituents >>>>> who lost
their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing
or we
would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our >>>>> future,
for everybody’s collective future.â€
Does this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and move
there
to “get what I deserve†?
they will put out numerous possible considerations and see what sticks.
That said I think this will be a very contentious proposal.
Does the American Indian have a pony in this?
California was never a slave state and the nascent recipients were
never slaves.
who has a slaveholder in their ancestry - or even an allegation and/or
suspicion of such - should have to make a fiscally statistically
significant contribution to the reparations fund. And if they have
more than 2 slaveholders in their ancestry, they should literally be
required to give their house to a slave descendant, and then move to
Oregon within a reasonable passage of time.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
They wouldn't escape anything here. Both CA and OR were heavily involved in what we would now call genocide, back in the day. Most of the land here was either outright stolen from the Indians, or bought under duress at very low prices. If they
The Chinooks were our biggest group and they have never been formally recognized. As I understand it some of our Indians have formal land claims that have never been completely resolved. The list goes on.here something? :-)
Back in the day Oregonians voted against slavery here by a wide margin. At the same time they voted against allowing Black people to live here by an even bigger margin. So maybe it could be said that we owe the people we didn't allow to live
TB
Technobarbarian wrote:figure out who their descendants are slavery could be an issue here. Many of the Indians in western Oregon captured, traded in and owned slaves. Before and after they herded most of them onto reservations the Indians were considered a useful source of
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:50:19 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Frank Howell wrote:
George.Anthony wrote:At the end of the day going forward, I think that any San Franciscan
Frank Howell <fpho...@usermail.com> wrote:Those requirements have not been defined as of yet. Me thinks that
$5 Million Per Person Reparation Payments
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black >>>>> residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5 million >>>>> per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and
reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the possible >>>>> forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual >>>>> income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a family.â€
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million payments and >>>>> some members issued statements that bordered on the incomprehensible. >>>>> Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my constituents >>>>> who lost
their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing
or we
would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our >>>>> future,
for everybody’s collective future.â€
Does this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and move >>>> there
to “get what I deserve†?
they will put out numerous possible considerations and see what sticks. >>>
That said I think this will be a very contentious proposal.
Does the American Indian have a pony in this?
California was never a slave state and the nascent recipients were
never slaves.
who has a slaveholder in their ancestry - or even an allegation and/or
suspicion of such - should have to make a fiscally statistically
significant contribution to the reparations fund. And if they have
more than 2 slaveholders in their ancestry, they should literally be
required to give their house to a slave descendant, and then move to
Oregon within a reasonable passage of time.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
They wouldn't escape anything here. Both CA and OR were heavily involved in what we would now call genocide, back in the day. Most of the land here was either outright stolen from the Indians, or bought under duress at very low prices. If they could
something? :-)The Chinooks were our biggest group and they have never been formally recognized. As I understand it some of our Indians have formal land claims that have never been completely resolved. The list goes on.
Back in the day Oregonians voted against slavery here by a wide margin. At the same time they voted against allowing Black people to live here by an even bigger margin. So maybe it could be said that we owe the people we didn't allow to live here
TB
How was the "voted against allowing Black people to live here" created? State bill, initiative, etc., how long ago was this?
This is my 17th year in Oregon and I didn't know about this act.
I did know that African Americans in Oregon are in low numbers, but
could that also be the climate or lack of quality jobs?
--
Frank Howell
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 6:33:32 PM UTC-7, Frank Howell wrote:could figure out who their descendants are slavery could be an issue here. Many of the Indians in western Oregon captured, traded in and owned slaves. Before and after they herded most of them onto reservations the Indians were considered a useful source
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:50:19 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Frank Howell wrote:
George.Anthony wrote:At the end of the day going forward, I think that any San Franciscan
Frank Howell <fpho...@usermail.com> wrote:Those requirements have not been defined as of yet. Me thinks that
$5 Million Per Person Reparation Payments
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black >>>>> residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5 million
per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and
reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the possible
forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual >>>>> income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a family.â€
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million payments and
some members issued statements that bordered on the incomprehensible.
Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my constituents >>>>> who lost
their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing
or we
would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our >>>>> future,
for everybody’s collective future.â€
Does this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and move >>>> there
to “get what I deserve†?
they will put out numerous possible considerations and see what sticks.
That said I think this will be a very contentious proposal.
Does the American Indian have a pony in this?
California was never a slave state and the nascent recipients were
never slaves.
who has a slaveholder in their ancestry - or even an allegation and/or >> suspicion of such - should have to make a fiscally statistically
significant contribution to the reparations fund. And if they have
more than 2 slaveholders in their ancestry, they should literally be
required to give their house to a slave descendant, and then move to
Oregon within a reasonable passage of time.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
They wouldn't escape anything here. Both CA and OR were heavily involved in what we would now call genocide, back in the day. Most of the land here was either outright stolen from the Indians, or bought under duress at very low prices. If they
something? :-)The Chinooks were our biggest group and they have never been formally recognized. As I understand it some of our Indians have formal land claims that have never been completely resolved. The list goes on.
Back in the day Oregonians voted against slavery here by a wide margin. At the same time they voted against allowing Black people to live here by an even bigger margin. So maybe it could be said that we owe the people we didn't allow to live here
times"."TB
How was the "voted against allowing Black people to live here" created? State bill, initiative, etc., how long ago was this?
This is my 17th year in Oregon and I didn't know about this act.
I did know that African Americans in Oregon are in low numbers, but
could that also be the climate or lack of quality jobs?
--Most of the pioneers in Oregon were trying to establish a White paradise.
Frank Howell
"After a vote on June 26, 1844, the first Black Exclusion law reiterated a ban on all slavery in Oregon territory, and it forced black and mulatto settlers to leave Oregon territory within three years (two years for men) or be whipped "no more than 39
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_black_exclusion_laws#:~:text=After%20a%20vote%20on%20June,no%20more%20than%2039%20times%22.Oregon to African Americans.
During the Klan's boom years in the 1920s and 1930s they did particularly well in Oregon.
"Despite Klu Klux Klan activity and Jim Crow laws, the black community flourished, exhibit organizers found, developing their own economy to fill the needs of a growing black population. The Black Pioneers credit the black railroad workers for opening
"Because they stayed, they allowed a whole new generation to come in and succeed," said Richardson, originally from South Carolina and a Salem resident for 35 years.American residents from using existing services, so as the black community grew, entrepreneurs built their own network of services, from barber shops to restaurants."
By 1941, almost 99 percent of black men in Portland were employed in the railroad industry, according to the exhibit, working as waiters, cooks, porters, redcaps, and shop laborers.
Those job opportunities in the West attracted African Americans from the South, said Gwen Carr, a member of the Black Pioneers who researched the exhibit. Jim Crow laws -- mandating "separate but equal" status for black Americans -- prevented African
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 6:33:32 PM UTC-7, Frank Howell wrote:figure out who their descendants are slavery could be an issue here. Many of the Indians in western Oregon captured, traded in and owned slaves. Before and after they herded most of them onto reservations the Indians were considered a useful source of
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:50:19 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Frank Howell wrote:
George.Anthony wrote:At the end of the day going forward, I think that any San Franciscan
Frank Howell <fpho...@usermail.com> wrote:Those requirements have not been defined as of yet. Me thinks that
$5 Million Per Person Reparation Payments
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black >>>>>>> residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5 million >>>>>>> per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and
reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the possible >>>>>>> forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual >>>>>>> income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a family.â€
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million payments and >>>>>>> some members issued statements that bordered on the incomprehensible. >>>>>>> Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my constituents >>>>>>> who lost
their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing
or we
would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our >>>>>>> future,
for everybody’s collective future.â€
Does this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and move >>>>>> there
to “get what I deserve†?
they will put out numerous possible considerations and see what sticks. >>>>>
That said I think this will be a very contentious proposal.
Does the American Indian have a pony in this?
California was never a slave state and the nascent recipients were
never slaves.
who has a slaveholder in their ancestry - or even an allegation and/or >>>> suspicion of such - should have to make a fiscally statistically
significant contribution to the reparations fund. And if they have
more than 2 slaveholders in their ancestry, they should literally be
required to give their house to a slave descendant, and then move to
Oregon within a reasonable passage of time.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
They wouldn't escape anything here. Both CA and OR were heavily involved in what we would now call genocide, back in the day. Most of the land here was either outright stolen from the Indians, or bought under duress at very low prices. If they could
something? :-)
The Chinooks were our biggest group and they have never been formally recognized. As I understand it some of our Indians have formal land claims that have never been completely resolved. The list goes on.
Back in the day Oregonians voted against slavery here by a wide margin. At the same time they voted against allowing Black people to live here by an even bigger margin. So maybe it could be said that we owe the people we didn't allow to live here
times"."How was the "voted against allowing Black people to live here" created?
TB
State bill, initiative, etc., how long ago was this?
This is my 17th year in Oregon and I didn't know about this act.
I did know that African Americans in Oregon are in low numbers, but
could that also be the climate or lack of quality jobs?
--
Frank Howell
Most of the pioneers in Oregon were trying to establish a White paradise.
"After a vote on June 26, 1844, the first Black Exclusion law reiterated a ban on all slavery in Oregon territory, and it forced black and mulatto settlers to leave Oregon territory within three years (two years for men) or be whipped "no more than 39
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_black_exclusion_laws#:~:text=After%20a%20vote%20on%20June,no%20more%20than%2039%20times%22.Oregon to African Americans.
During the Klan's boom years in the 1920s and 1930s they did particularly well in Oregon.
"Despite Klu Klux Klan activity and Jim Crow laws, the black community flourished, exhibit organizers found, developing their own economy to fill the needs of a growing black population. The Black Pioneers credit the black railroad workers for opening
"Because they stayed, they allowed a whole new generation to come in and succeed," said Richardson, originally from South Carolina and a Salem resident for 35 years.American residents from using existing services, so as the black community grew, entrepreneurs built their own network of services, from barber shops to restaurants."
By 1941, almost 99 percent of black men in Portland were employed in the railroad industry, according to the exhibit, working as waiters, cooks, porters, redcaps, and shop laborers.
Those job opportunities in the West attracted African Americans from the South, said Gwen Carr, a member of the Black Pioneers who researched the exhibit. Jim Crow laws -- mandating "separate but equal" status for black Americans -- prevented African
Despite Klu Klux Klan activity and Jim Crow laws, the black community flourished, exhibit organizers found, developing their own economy to fill the needs of a growing black population. The Black Pioneers credit the black railroad workers for openingOregon to African Americans.
"Because they stayed, they allowed a whole new generation to come in and succeed," said Richardson, originally from South Carolina and a Salem resident for 35 years.American residents from using existing services, so as the black community grew, entrepreneurs built their own network of services, from barber shops to restaurants.
By 1941, almost 99 percent of black men in Portland were employed in the railroad industry, according to the exhibit, working as waiters, cooks, porters, redcaps, and shop laborers.
Those job opportunities in the West attracted African Americans from the South, said Gwen Carr, a member of the Black Pioneers who researched the exhibit. Jim Crow laws -- mandating "separate but equal" status for black Americans -- prevented African
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2013/01/black_pioneers_came_to_oregon.html
Back when I was growing up on the Oregon coast most of the towns there were "sunset" towns. Some of them had signs on the outskirts of town into the early 60's.
I'd suggest maybe a little googling or a visit to your library. Oregon's historic racism is well known and documented.
Technobarbarian wrote:could figure out who their descendants are slavery could be an issue here. Many of the Indians in western Oregon captured, traded in and owned slaves. Before and after they herded most of them onto reservations the Indians were considered a useful source
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 6:33:32 PM UTC-7, Frank Howell wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:50:19 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
Frank Howell wrote:
George.Anthony wrote:At the end of the day going forward, I think that any San Franciscan >>>> who has a slaveholder in their ancestry - or even an allegation and/or >>>> suspicion of such - should have to make a fiscally statistically
Frank Howell <fpho...@usermail.com> wrote:Those requirements have not been defined as of yet. Me thinks that >>>>> they will put out numerous possible considerations and see what sticks.
$5 Million Per Person Reparation Payments
When was California a slave state?
Is the board composed of all blacks?
We have been following the recommendations of reparations for black >>>>>>> residents of San Francisco, including a proposed payment of $5 million
per resident payment. The Board of Supervisors met Tuesday and >>>>>>> reportedly gave unanimous support for reparations. Among the possible
forms of reparations, the Board is considering a guaranteed annual >>>>>>> income of $97,000 for 250 years and a home “for just $1 a family.â€
The Board notably did not approve the proposed $5 million payments and
some members issued statements that bordered on the incomprehensible.
Supervisor Rafael Mandelman spoke to “those of my constituents >>>>>>> who lost
their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing
or we
would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our >>>>>>> future,
for everybody’s collective future.â€
Does this apply to current residents only or can I hurry up and move >>>>>> there
to “get what I deserve†?
That said I think this will be a very contentious proposal.
Does the American Indian have a pony in this?
California was never a slave state and the nascent recipients were >>>>> never slaves.
significant contribution to the reparations fund. And if they have
more than 2 slaveholders in their ancestry, they should literally be >>>> required to give their house to a slave descendant, and then move to >>>> Oregon within a reasonable passage of time.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
They wouldn't escape anything here. Both CA and OR were heavily involved in what we would now call genocide, back in the day. Most of the land here was either outright stolen from the Indians, or bought under duress at very low prices. If they
something? :-)
The Chinooks were our biggest group and they have never been formally recognized. As I understand it some of our Indians have formal land claims that have never been completely resolved. The list goes on.
Back in the day Oregonians voted against slavery here by a wide margin. At the same time they voted against allowing Black people to live here by an even bigger margin. So maybe it could be said that we owe the people we didn't allow to live here
39 times"."How was the "voted against allowing Black people to live here" created? >> State bill, initiative, etc., how long ago was this?
TB
This is my 17th year in Oregon and I didn't know about this act.
I did know that African Americans in Oregon are in low numbers, but
could that also be the climate or lack of quality jobs?
--
Frank Howell
Most of the pioneers in Oregon were trying to establish a White paradise.
"After a vote on June 26, 1844, the first Black Exclusion law reiterated a ban on all slavery in Oregon territory, and it forced black and mulatto settlers to leave Oregon territory within three years (two years for men) or be whipped "no more than
opening Oregon to African Americans.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_black_exclusion_laws#:~:text=After%20a%20vote%20on%20June,no%20more%20than%2039%20times%22.
During the Klan's boom years in the 1920s and 1930s they did particularly well in Oregon.
"Despite Klu Klux Klan activity and Jim Crow laws, the black community flourished, exhibit organizers found, developing their own economy to fill the needs of a growing black population. The Black Pioneers credit the black railroad workers for
American residents from using existing services, so as the black community grew, entrepreneurs built their own network of services, from barber shops to restaurants.""Because they stayed, they allowed a whole new generation to come in and succeed," said Richardson, originally from South Carolina and a Salem resident for 35 years.
By 1941, almost 99 percent of black men in Portland were employed in the railroad industry, according to the exhibit, working as waiters, cooks, porters, redcaps, and shop laborers.
Those job opportunities in the West attracted African Americans from the South, said Gwen Carr, a member of the Black Pioneers who researched the exhibit. Jim Crow laws -- mandating "separate but equal" status for black Americans -- prevented African
Oregon to African Americans.Despite Klu Klux Klan activity and Jim Crow laws, the black community flourished, exhibit organizers found, developing their own economy to fill the needs of a growing black population. The Black Pioneers credit the black railroad workers for opening
American residents from using existing services, so as the black community grew, entrepreneurs built their own network of services, from barber shops to restaurants."Because they stayed, they allowed a whole new generation to come in and succeed," said Richardson, originally from South Carolina and a Salem resident for 35 years.
By 1941, almost 99 percent of black men in Portland were employed in the railroad industry, according to the exhibit, working as waiters, cooks, porters, redcaps, and shop laborers.
Those job opportunities in the West attracted African Americans from the South, said Gwen Carr, a member of the Black Pioneers who researched the exhibit. Jim Crow laws -- mandating "separate but equal" status for black Americans -- prevented African
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2013/01/black_pioneers_came_to_oregon.html
Back when I was growing up on the Oregon coast most of the towns there were "sunset" towns. Some of them had signs on the outskirts of town into the early 60's.
I'd suggest maybe a little googling or a visit to your library. Oregon's historic racism is well known and documented.
I'll have to pass on that suggestion as our local library might have
abouy 2000 books at most. As for google goes I find it limiting to say
the least.
--
Frank Howell
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