"California nonprofit Urban Alchemy will manage Portland’s first mass tent encampment"

"The city did not say how much the site will cost to build and operate, though in its bid for the project, Urban Alchemy said it would cost $5.1 million a year to operate a 150-person site and an additional $400,000 for startup costs. That estimate did
not include the cost of meals, utilities or the construction of the site, which the city has committed to cover, according to city documents."

"Urban Alchemy hasn’t been particularly successful at helping people transition to permanent housing at other sites. As of Feb, 6, fewer than 2% of people – five out of 261 – served at the Los Angeles tent site run by Urban Alchemy had transitioned
to permanent housing, while 11 had moved to different shelters, seven had been reunited with family, three had moved to short-term housing, 115 had returned to the street and 35 had left to unknown places, according to data provided by the nonprofit."

"Wheeler said the other five city-run tent sites are in various stages of development and he would be “proud to work with Urban Alchemy to expand to other sites,” if they are interested. While the city has committed $27 million toward funding the
first three sites, the remaining three have no funding yet. Wheeler said he is calling on the county to help fund those sites while the city is also in discussions with Gov. Tina Kotek and the Legislature about funding as well."

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2023/03/california-nonprofit-urban-alchemy-will-manage-portlands-first-city-run-tent-encampment.html

This works out to $51,000 per tent per year just to manage the first tent site,. which might hold up to 150 people. Or around $34,000 per person. The city has allocated $27 million for their camping program. They figure this might pay for half of
the program for the first year. I think that's extremely optimistic. By my math even if they fully fund all 6 camps that only works out to around 900 people. That's probably a bit less than half the unsheltered people living in the city on any given
night.

The city of Portland has a proposed budget of $6.7 billion for a population that's close to 700,000 people. That works out to around $9,500 per person.

TB

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Technobarbarian wrote:

"California nonprofit Urban Alchemy will manage Portland’s first
mass tent encampment"

"The city did not say how much the site will cost to build and
operate, though in its bid for the project, Urban Alchemy said it
would cost $5.1 million a year to operate a 150-person site and an
additional $400,000 for startup costs. That estimate did not
include the cost of meals, utilities or the construction of the
site, which the city has committed to cover, according to city
documents."

"Urban Alchemy hasn’t been particularly successful at helping
people transition to permanent housing at other sites.

But it looks like they may be uniquely possibly successful at
transitioning public money to themselves.

As of Feb,
6, fewer than 2% of people – five out of 261 – served at the Los Angeles tent site run by Urban Alchemy had transitioned to
permanent housing, while 11 had moved to different shelters, seven
had been reunited with family, three had moved to short-term
housing, 115 had returned to the street and 35 had left to unknown
places, according to data provided by the nonprofit."

"Wheeler said the other five city-run tent sites are in various
stages of development and he would be “proud to work with Urban
Alchemy to expand to other sites,” if they are interested. While
the city has committed $27 million toward funding the first three
sites, the remaining three have no funding yet. Wheeler said he is
calling on the county to help fund those sites while the city is
also in discussions with Gov. Tina Kotek and the Legislature about
funding as well."

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2023/03/california-nonprofit-urban-alchemy-will-manage-portlands-first-city-run-tent-encampment.html

This works out to $51,000 per tent per year just to manage the
first tent site,. which might hold up to 150 people. Or around
$34,000 per person. The city has allocated $27 million for their
camping program. They figure this might pay for half of the program
for the first year. I think that's extremely optimistic. By my math
even if they fully fund all 6 camps that only works out to around
900 people. That's probably a bit less than half the unsheltered
people living in the city on any given night.

The city of Portland has a proposed budget of $6.7 billion for a
population that's close to 700,000 people. That works out to
around $9,500 per person.

TB

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bill
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On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"California nonprofit Urban Alchemy will manage Portland’s first mass tent encampment"

"The city did not say how much the site will cost to build and
operate, though in its bid for the project, Urban Alchemy said it
would cost $5.1 million a year to operate a 150-person site and an additional $400,000 for startup costs. That estimate did not
include the cost of meals, utilities or the construction of the
site, which the city has committed to cover, according to city
documents."

"Urban Alchemy hasn’t been particularly successful at helping
people transition to permanent housing at other sites.

But it looks like they may be uniquely possibly successful at
transitioning public money to themselves.

Yep. They were on the news this morning explaining their methods. They solve problems, like people going through a mental health crisis, with lots of love. This must explain why it costs more to put someone in a tent than it would cost to put them
in a very nice house. Love is expensive, even when you're buying it by the ton. 90% of their work force is people who have been incarcerated because they have a special understanding of the situation, and lots of love.

TB

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"California nonprofit Urban Alchemy will manage
Portland’s first mass tent encampment"

"The city did not say how much the site will cost to build and
operate, though in its bid for the project, Urban Alchemy said
it would cost $5.1 million a year to operate a 150-person site
and an additional $400,000 for startup costs. That estimate did
not include the cost of meals, utilities or the construction of
the site, which the city has committed to cover, according to
city documents."

"Urban Alchemy hasn’t been particularly successful at
helping people transition to permanent housing at other sites.

But it looks like they may be uniquely possibly successful at
transitioning public money to themselves.

Yep. They were on the news this morning explaining their methods.
They solve problems, like people going through a mental health
crisis, with lots of love. This must explain why it costs more to
put someone in a tent than it would cost to put them in a very nice
house. Love is expensive, even when you're buying it by the ton.
90% of their work force is people who have been incarcerated
because they have a special understanding of the situation, and
lots of love.

Why are Portlanders letting the mayor give billion$ of their money to self-identified alchemists? There must be an as yet unidentified upside?

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:31:42 AM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"California nonprofit Urban Alchemy will manage
Portland’s first mass tent encampment"

"The city did not say how much the site will cost to build and
operate, though in its bid for the project, Urban Alchemy said
it would cost $5.1 million a year to operate a 150-person site
and an additional $400,000 for startup costs. That estimate did
not include the cost of meals, utilities or the construction of
the site, which the city has committed to cover, according to
city documents."

"Urban Alchemy hasn’t been particularly successful at >>> helping people transition to permanent housing at other sites.

But it looks like they may be uniquely possibly successful at
transitioning public money to themselves.

Yep. They were on the news this morning explaining their methods.
They solve problems, like people going through a mental health
crisis, with lots of love. This must explain why it costs more to
put someone in a tent than it would cost to put them in a very nice
house. Love is expensive, even when you're buying it by the ton.
90% of their work force is people who have been incarcerated
because they have a special understanding of the situation, and
lots of love.

Why are Portlanders letting the mayor give billion$ of their money to self-identified alchemists? There must be an as yet unidentified upside?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I don't think most of them have seen the price tag yet, and a lot of them won't care after they figure it out because they don't think the money is coming out of their pocket. For some people this would just mean there are more jobs in Portland and
more money coming in from outside of the city. They're trying to figure out a relatively inexpensive way to end the homeless problem that's: legal and somewhat humane. The camping program sounds like a good idea, until you see the price tag and look
closely at what it actually means.

The city has stopped saying it, but a lot of people think they will be able to end "unsanctioned" camping with their official campgrounds. In theory, if people have a reasonable place to go they can be forced to stop camping on the streets. This
hasn't been tested in court and I don't think anyone knows what the courts will require before they can force them off the streets, The math strongly suggests that they will never reach the point where the courts will allow them to cite people for
unsanctioned camping with just their camping program. Portland also wants to fund 400 affordable homes. The way the government does it a normal person couldn't afford those homes if they had to pay the full price. "Affordable" apartments cost more than
nice houses to build. 400 "affordable" houses would only be a fraction of what they need.

Here's an interesting thought for you. If our Nike jillionaire hadn't tried to buy himself a Republican lite governor our Democrat governor probably would not have been elected. If the regular Republican had been elected Portland would not be
expecting a huge cash infusion from the state. Even with a Democrat running the state Portland isn't likely to get more than a fraction of what they think they might be able to get in their dreams. Either way, both parties are trying to fix the problem
with expensive bandaids. They don't talk about real solutions because that would be politically unpopular. As I've mentioned before: "If they make possible to build a lot of seriously affordable housing the value of a lot of homes will go down and that
would make a lot of home owners very unhappy." In a land where the government owns about two thirds of the land a lot of people and their politicians really don't want affordable housing. It would take a lot of hot air out of the current value of homes
and who want's *that* in their neighborhood?

Looking at what FL is doing right could be a good example for Oregonians.

"Behind Florida's big boom
There's a battle for people brewing — and the Sunshine State is winning"

"Florida is also outshining New York and other major population centers in tackling the soaring cost of housing. The state issued 212,206 building permits for residential units in 2022, compared with just 41,254 in New York and 118,065 in California.
This building boom creates a larger stock of housing that keeps prices more affordable: 17.6% of all housing in Florida has a value of less than $100,000, whereas in New York the rate is in the single digits. As a result, 69% of Floridians are homeowners
compared with only 54% of New Yorkers — and fewer people in Florida are homeless."

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-population-jobs-economy-housing-battle-new-york-california-2023-3

TB

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:31:42 AM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-8, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"California nonprofit Urban Alchemy will manage
Portland’s first mass tent encampment"

"The city did not say how much the site will cost to build
and operate, though in its bid for the project, Urban
Alchemy said it would cost $5.1 million a year to operate a
150-person site and an additional $400,000 for startup
costs. That estimate did not include the cost of meals,
utilities or the construction of the site, which the city
has committed to cover, according to city documents."

"Urban Alchemy hasn’t been particularly
successful at helping people transition to permanent
housing at other sites.

But it looks like they may be uniquely possibly successful
at transitioning public money to themselves.

Yep. They were on the news this morning explaining their
methods. They solve problems, like people going through a
mental health crisis, with lots of love. This must explain why
it costs more to put someone in a tent than it would cost to
put them in a very nice house. Love is expensive, even when
you're buying it by the ton. 90% of their work force is people
who have been incarcerated because they have a special
understanding of the situation, and lots of love.

Why are Portlanders letting the mayor give billion$ of their
money to self-identified alchemists? There must be an as yet
unidentified upside? -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't
work.

I don't think most of them have seen the price tag yet, and a lot
of them won't care after they figure it out because they don't
think the money is coming out of their pocket. For some people this
would just mean there are more jobs in Portland and more money
coming in from outside of the city. They're trying to figure out a
relatively inexpensive way to end the homeless problem that's:
legal and somewhat humane. The camping program sounds like a good
idea, until you see the price tag and look closely at what it
actually means.

The city has stopped saying it, but a lot of people think they will
be able to end "unsanctioned" camping with their official
campgrounds. In theory, if people have a reasonable place to go
they can be forced to stop camping on the streets. This hasn't been
tested in court and I don't think anyone knows what the courts will
require before they can force them off the streets, The math
strongly suggests that they will never reach the point where the
courts will allow them to cite people for unsanctioned camping with
just their camping program. Portland also wants to fund 400
affordable homes. The way the government does it a normal person
couldn't afford those homes if they had to pay the full price.
"Affordable" apartments cost more than nice houses to build. 400
"affordable" houses would only be a fraction of what they need.

Here's an interesting thought for you. If our Nike jillionaire
hadn't tried to buy himself a Republican lite governor our Democrat
governor probably would not have been elected. If the regular
Republican had been elected Portland would not be expecting a huge
cash infusion from the state. Even with a Democrat running the
state Portland isn't likely to get more than a fraction of what
they think they might be able to get in their dreams. Either way,
both parties are trying to fix the problem with expensive bandaids.
They don't talk about real solutions because that would be
politically unpopular. As I've mentioned before: "If they make
possible to build a lot of seriously affordable housing the value
of a lot of homes will go down and that would make a lot of home
owners very unhappy." In a land where the government owns about two
thirds of the land a lot of people and their politicians really
don't want affordable housing. It would take a lot of hot air out
of the current value of homes and who want's *that* in their
neighborhood?

Looking at what FL is doing right could be a good example for
Oregonians.

"Behind Florida's big boom There's a battle for people brewing —
and the Sunshine State is winning"

"Florida is also outshining New York and other major population
centers in tackling the soaring cost of housing. The state issued
212,206 building permits for residential units in 2022, compared
with just 41,254 in New York and 118,065 in California. This
building boom creates a larger stock of housing that keeps prices
more affordable: 17.6% of all housing in Florida has a value of
less than $100,000, whereas in New York the rate is in the single
digits. As a result, 69% of Floridians are homeowners compared with
only 54% of New Yorkers — and fewer people in Florida are
homeless."

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-population-jobs-economy-housing-battle-new-york-california-2023-3

That literally can't be right
Florida is run by Trump light
And DeSaintless is a snake
So the metrics must be fake.

Anonymous, Jr.
Poet NotLaureate

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On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 12:27:25 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-population-jobs-economy-housing-battle-new-york-california-2023-3

That literally can't be right
Florida is run by Trump light
And DeSaintless is a snake
So the metrics must be fake.

Anonymous, Jr.
Poet NotLaureate
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

LOL "Trump light"? Good one. I'd say DeSaintless leaves #45 in the dust. He worries me because he's a much smarter fascist than #45, and has a much stronger work ethic.

The metrics benefit from having been selected to prove their point. For example, I wonder what all those homes that are worth less than $100k look like? I tend to suspect that the land underneath them is worth far more than the house. This number
probably helps to explain why tornados appear to hate old mobile homes. There are just plain a lot of them.

Nobody has all the answers, including FL. Limited public transportation, for example, is insane. Mexico has an extensive and inexpensive public transportation system because they let the free market work. One of the big political battles here is
when and where to build the next section of the light rail system. A lot of people don't want it anywhere near their neighborhood because that gives poor people easy access. The next section will probably be somewhere in my part of the metropolis, but I
don't expect to see any of it built in my lifetime.

Changing the tax system here would require more change than most of the people here are prepared for. Because the economic conditions are different here I doubt that anyone really knows what would work best here. Most places the answer usually
depends on who is benefitting. I'd be one of the first to admit that Oregon might suffer from too much democracy. But, I admit that I've gotten used to it and enjoy it. One of the reasons people like dictators is that they get things done.

"In Oregon, the initiative and referendum process dates back to 1902 when the Oregon electorate overwhelmingly approved a legislatively referred ballot measure. This measure enabled Oregon citizens to directly initiate amendments to the Oregon state
constitution, as well as enact new state statutes. The same ballot measure also enabled the right of referendum, which enabled Oregon citizens to overturn statutes or laws passed by the Oregon legislature."

This alone explains why we don't have a sales tax here. The people here like knowing the price when they pick things up. Like everyone everywhere they are generally not good at math and don't want to expend the mental energy every time they buy
something. And, at this point it would just be another tax. At last count I think Oregonians had rejected sales tax measures 8 times. Who knows? We might get self-service gas by 2024! I have hopes that we'll be able to stop playing with the time of day
in another year or two.

TB

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 12:27:25 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-population-jobs-economy-housing-battle-new-york-california-2023-3

That literally can't be right

Florida is run by Trump light And DeSaintless is a snake So the
metrics must be fake.

Anonymous, Jr. Poet NotLaureate -- bill Theory don't mean squat
if it don't work.

LOL "Trump light"? Good one. I'd say DeSaintless leaves #45 in the
dust. He worries me because he's a much smarter fascist than #45,
and has a much stronger work ethic.

The metrics benefit from having been selected to prove their point.
For example, I wonder what all those homes that are worth less than
$100k look like? I tend to suspect that the land underneath them is
worth far more than the house. This number probably helps to
explain why tornados appear to hate old mobile homes. There are
just plain a lot of them.

Nobody has all the answers, including FL. Limited public
transportation, for example, is insane. Mexico has an extensive and inexpensive public transportation system because they let the free
market work. One of the big political battles here is when and
where to build the next section of the light rail system. A lot of
people don't want it anywhere near their neighborhood because that
gives poor people easy access. The next section will probably be
somewhere in my part of the metropolis, but I don't expect to see
any of it built in my lifetime.

Changing the tax system here would require more change than most of
the people here are prepared for. Because the economic conditions
are different here I doubt that anyone really knows what would work
best here. Most places the answer usually depends on who is
benefitting. I'd be one of the first to admit that Oregon might
suffer from too much democracy. But, I admit that I've gotten used
to it and enjoy it. One of the reasons people like dictators is
that they get things done.

"In Oregon, the initiative and referendum process dates back to
1902 when the Oregon electorate overwhelmingly approved a
legislatively referred ballot measure. This measure enabled Oregon
citizens to directly initiate amendments to the Oregon state
constitution, as well as enact new state statutes. The same ballot
measure also enabled the right of referendum, which enabled Oregon
citizens to overturn statutes or laws passed by the Oregon
legislature."

This alone explains why we don't have a sales tax here. The people
here like knowing the price when they pick things up. Like everyone everywhere they are generally not good at math and don't want to
expend the mental energy every time they buy something. And, at
this point it would just be another tax. At last count I think
Oregonians had rejected sales tax measures 8 times. Who knows? We
might get self-service gas by 2024! I have hopes that we'll be able
to stop playing with the time of day in another year or two.

-------------------------------------------------------
They Left: Portland Is Losing Some of Its Biggest Fans
Rising taxes and a falling quality of life have some Stumptown
die-hards voting with their feet.

(McKenzie Young-Roy)
By Anthony Effinger
February 01, 2023 at 5:32 am PST

The old saying is a conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged.

In Portland, many liberals are dodging stray bullets, losing catalytic converters to thieves, and sidestepping tents. Then they open their
tax bills.

Maybe they aren’t voting Republican. But some are voting with their
feet, getting the hell out of a city that once stole their hearts,
driven away as taxes rise and quality of life declines.
...
-------------------------------------------------
Maybe the dumbasses should vote with their ballots instead of their
feet. I just hope the dumbasses don't end up over here.

------------------------------------------------------
Multnomah County has lost residents for the past three years,
according to Portland State University’s Population Research Center.
Before 2020, it hadn’t lost people since 1987, and that was just a
one-year blip in an upward run that began in 1984.

In the most recent PSU estimate—for the year ended July 1, 2022—the population fell by 2,321. The cause was “out migration,” PSU says,
which is a fancy way of saying people bailed.

That may not seem like a lot in a county that had 812,563 residents as
of July 1, 2021, but it’s a reversal of fortune for a city that once attracted migrants from other states the way locally roasted Chemex
coffee draws men with sleeve tattoos.

Josh Lehner, a state economist, says his department had expected a
rebound in 2022, but it didn’t arrive. The longer the slump in
population lasts, he says, the less likely pandemic-related moving
patterns are to blame, and the more likely it is that Portland has a
problem.

“Are we just a year off,” he asks, “or is there something
fundamentally different?”

For some longtime Oregonians, the U-turn is hardly puzzling. Portland
has switched from attracting new arrivals to repelling its current citizens—especially those with a few coins in their pockets and feet
that start itching at tax time.

Stu Peterson, 65, grew up in Portland, and has been selling commercial
real estate for decades as a partner at Macadam Forbes. He says the
recent outflow of Portlanders with means is something new in his
experience.

“I’ve never seen money move out of here,” Peterson says. “Nobody ever wanted to leave Oregon. It’s a beautiful place. Most evacuees are
high-wage earners who are fed up with the crime, taxes and
homelessness, in that order. There’s an ugly spiral.”

The exodus includes names with cachet in Portland’s most exclusive clubs.

Jordan Menashe, chief executive of homegrown Portland real estate firm
Menashe Properties, left last year for Dallas. Marquee developer Mark
Edlen also appears to have shifted his primary residence eastward: He
canceled his Oregon voter registration last year.

In an interview, Edlen said he’d always planned to retire in Sun
Valley, Idaho, where he lives now, but he still does most of his
philanthropy in Oregon.

“The taxes are pretty close to the same,” Edlen says. “I haven’t done the math.”

The founders of Baker Ellis Asset Management LLC—Barnes Ellis and
Brian Baker—packed up their money management firm and moved it across
the Columbia River to Vancouver, Wash. Property records show that
Ellis moved his residence north, too, buying a place in Ridgefield.

Ellis didn’t return calls seeking comment. Few upper-crust Portlanders
would discuss moving. Some wealthy expatriates worry that Multnomah
County or the Oregon Department of Revenue will pay special attention
to their taxes on the way out, says one real estate broker, who
declined to be named.

Regular folks were more willing to talk about their decisions to go.

In the past month, WW spoke with six people who have left or are
preparing to leave Portland. All of them are upper middle class. Most
of them described bittersweet feelings about departing a city that
once drew them like a magnet, or even a lover.

But none of them had second thoughts.

Jenny Rideout moved to Astoria after almost 30 years in the Albina neighborhood. (Lydia Ely)

Katie Schneider was one of them. She moved to the Woodlawn
neighborhood of Northeast Portland in 2009, and says she quickly grew accustomed to the occasional sound of gunfire outside her house.

Then someone opened fire from a car on a summer evening in 2020,
killing 22-year-old Jordan Lee Lewis on Dekum Street, just around the
corner from her house and in front of Breakside Brewery, which her
family frequented.

Seven months later, after putting her kids to bed, a car crashed in
the intersection in front of her house. Her husband found a man,
gut-shot and bleeding. Three parked cars had been struck, and police
found 60 shell casings in the street.

In April 2021, two months after the car crash, they moved to a rented
house in Vancouver, where she worked as a school counselor. Her
husband, a bridge engineer, worked from home. A year and a half later,
they moved to Anacortes.

Schneider wasn’t alone. “Our whole block moved within two years,” she says.

Schneider, 42, is a liberal who—still—loves Portland. But she couldn’t raise her family in a city where leaders don’t seem to have any
solutions, despite having coffers full of taxpayers’ money.

“I don’t mind paying taxes, but I need to know that they are being put
to good use,” Schneider says. “If they had been, I wouldn’t have had
to move to a different state.”

Roslyn Hill loves Portland but questions the tax burden. (Blake Benard)

Most of the people who spoke with WW were leaving for two reasons:
high taxes and a growing sense of danger. Schneider spoke openly about
the former, as did some others. All were eager to speak about the latter.

Lauren McCabe says she left in August 2021 mostly because her kids,
now 8, 10 and 12, struggled with school closures during the pandemic.
Her oldest attended Cathedral School in Northwest, where she says
teachers sometimes hustled kids in from recess because nearby tents
had caught fire, raising fears of toxins in the smoke.

McCabe, who voted for Barack Obama twice, then Hillary Clinton, had a
number of unpleasant encounters. On one occasion, McCabe’s husband and
son waited for the school’s gates to open, and a man sat down behind
their car, shot up, and left the needle in the street. While walking
to Salt & Straw on a date night, she and her husband were chased by a
woman who was talking to herself.

McCabe and her husband are both chiropractors. Pandemic restrictions
made it hard to operate, and new taxes squeezed their budget.

After 18 years in Oregon, McCabe, 43, decided it was time to go. She
sold her practice and bought one in Naples, Fla.

“I didn’t think I was ever leaving Oregon,” McCabe says. But she did—as did some of her new neighbors on the Gulf Coast. “There are a handful of Oregonians who live near us. We share stories.”

Some Portlanders bristle when they hear about people leaving. Stephen
Green, founder of PitchBlack, a competition for Black entrepreneurs,
says the panic about Portland is overdone.

“We had a lot of people move here from 2008 to 2012 because we were
No. 1 on this list or No. 1 on that list,” Green says. “They came here
to consume the culture, not add to it. A lot of folks who are leaving
were never committed. I’ll be here in 30 years.”

Others are wavering in that commitment. Developer Roslyn Hill grew up
in Portland and bought her first commercial property on Northeast
Alberta Street in 1991. She’s been committed to the neighborhood
since, removing graffiti and picking up trash.

But she’s growing weary of the blight, and of paying taxes that don’t
seem to pay for improvement. Recently, she returned home to find a man
sitting on the bench in front of her house on North Lombard eating
chicken, throwing the bones into her garden and charging his phone at
one of her outdoor sockets.

Add the steady drip of new taxes, and it came to drive her mad,
especially the new Preschool for All tax. “I paid for my own kids’ preschool,” Hill, 78, says. “I worked three jobs to do it.”

In August, she bought a duplex in Vancouver. She’s been fixing it up
and hopes to move sometime soon.

“Paying taxes for issues that don’t seem to change how the city looks
and feels is disappointing,” Hill says. “I like where I live. Portland
is my home, but paying additional taxes with no improved outcome is hard.”

Boom Going Bust? Population gains were the norm in Multnomah County,
until recently.

Starting in 2017, Multnomah County voters passed several tax measures
aimed at improving life in their burgeoning city. After Metro and the
county levied taxes to combat homelessness and provide preschool for
all, Portland now has the second-highest total state and local income
tax rate in the nation—14.69%—exceeded only by New York City at
14.78%, according to a report from Ernst & Young commissioned by
Oregon Business & Industry.

That’s the top marginal tax rate, meaning you pay it only on income
above $125,000 for individuals and $250,000 for married couples filing together. By comparison, the only New Yorkers paying the top rate
there are those making $25 million or more, single or married. That
means plenty of nonplutocrat Oregonians are paying taxes rivaled only
by those levied on Gotham millionaires.

Unfortunately, just as taxes went up, quality of life went down. Way
down. A record 101 homicides occurred in Portland last year, up from
previous records of 92 in 2021 and 70 in 1987.

Thieves stole 11,000 cars in 2022, up from 9,000 a year before. Few
walls are undecorated by graffiti. Even signs high over interstates
are tagged. Unsheltered homelessness soared: The city says there are
some 800 camps.

Stu Peterson and his cohort argue that people like Schneider who flee
the bullets are canaries in the Stumptown coal mine and that we had
better cut taxes soon, or else (see “Taxed Out of Town”).

Things are likely to get worse, too, they say, unless Portland voters
come to their senses. In December, the state said activists had
gathered enough signatures to put a measure on Multnomah County’s May
2023 ballot that would levy a 0.75% tax on capital gains to hire
attorneys for tenants facing eviction.

Related: Portland’s new Main Street is in Lake Oswego.

Juan Carlos Ordóñez, communications director at the Oregon Center for
Public Policy, says he doubts that taxes are driving meaningful
numbers of people out of Portland. Oregonians voted to raise taxes on
people making $250,000 or more in 2010, and the business community
“went nuts,” Ordóñez says. But from 2010 to 2017, the number of Oregonians with at least $1 million in annual income jumped 133%, a
2019 report showed, the biggest jump in any state during that period.

“Taxes don’t cause people to leave,” Ordóñez says. “There is plenty of
research showing this. And the state is better off having a strong tax
system with a few rich people leaving than it is with a low tax rate
and poor services.”

Before you say good riddance to the capitalists, however, remember
that when a taxpayer leaves, they take their tax money with them. If
things look bad now, they are likely to look a lot worse if there is
less money for cops, firefighters, homeless shelters, and 911 services.

Dollars Out: More taxpayers left Multnomah County in 2019 and 2020
than came, and the emigrants took more taxable income out than the
immigrants brought in. The Preschool for All tax, which draws the most
scorn from wealthy taxpayers, kicked in Jan. 1, 2021. Taxpayer data
for 2021 and 2022 is not available yet. Source: IRS Individual Master
File, Statistics of Income, May 2022

That’s what worries Erica Hetfeld. Until last year, she lived with her husband and 5-year-old daughter in a stately 1928 colonial in
Eastmoreland, across the street from Reed College. She had a view of
the iconic Old Dorm Block.

She also heard screaming on many nights. Once, during dinner, someone
pounded on one of the windows. Another time, she discovered a purse in
her hedge. She opened it and found a pair of baby shoes, a job
application for a gas station, some art supplies, and a bunch of used
needles with blood in them.

Hetfeld, 41, admits she might be more fearful than most. In October
1975, her aunt, Camille Foss, left work at Sears in Washington Square
Mall to take a deposit at the bank. Police found her in the mall
parking lot, shot twice. The murder remains unsolved.

Hetfeld reached her breaking point just before Thanksgiving in 2021.
She was at work one afternoon, when the Ring camera at her house sent
an alert. It showed a masked man carrying a box up to her back door.
He rang, waited, then put the box back in the car and returned with
rubber gloves on, carrying a painter’s pole.

The image on the camera went blue. The man had put masking tape over
the lens.

Hetfeld called the cops. The man kicked in the door, and before the
police arrived, he shook her jewelry box into a bag and grabbed their
Sonos speakers. He plundered her daughter’s medicine chest and emptied
her piggy bank.

She and her husband cleaned up the mess before their daughter came
home, but when she asked what had happened to the door, they had to
sugarcoat it. “It sucks when you have to lie to your kid about how
safe the place you live is,” Hetfeld says.

They sold the house and moved to Lake Oswego five months later. Now,
they live in a 1980s house that’s half the size but more expensive.
But it’s worth it, she says.

“Now I’m worried about the squirrels instead of the junkies,” Hetfeld says. “We thought moving to the ‘burbs was going to be soul sucking,
but it’s not, especially if you have a family.”

Hetfeld leans right. Maybe more than a little. She’s a Republican
political strategist who has crafted ads thrashing former Gov. Kate
Brown. On the website for her firm, Brass Tacks Public Affairs, she
describes defeating a 2016 initiative that would have levied a 2.5%
gross receipts tax on large corporations.

After the robbery, she went on the local Fox News affiliate to
describe her ordeal.

“It’s totally unacceptable what leaders locally and at the state have done, which is to make it OK for people to commit crimes because they
don’t feel like they are going to be put in jail,” she said on KPTV
Fox 12. “We’re not safe here anymore.”

Real estate records suggest other wealthy Portlanders feel the same
way. There is more demand for expensive houses in Clackamas County
than in Multnomah. In the past 12 months, 47 houses sold for $2.5
million or more in Clackamas, compared with 37 in Multnomah, according
to sales compiled by Inhabit Real Estate. Another 12 high-end homes
sold in Washington County.

“Eighty-five percent of the people looking at these listings are
trying to leave Multnomah County,” says Lake Oswego real estate agent
Justin Harnish. “I was with a woman this morning who said she was
moving out of downtown because she saw a lady stab another lady in the
face with scissors.”

Portland's woes made it easier for Scott Crabtree and his wife to move
to Sisters, Ore. (Courtesy Scott Crabtree)

Not everyone who leaves Portland does so screaming in terror, or
sounding like Ayn Rand. Some feel the allure of new places. The city’s
woes just make it easier to leave.

Scott Crabtree, 56, moved to Portland in 1992, brought here by his
girlfriend at the time. A native of Northampton, Mass., he was dazzled
by the raw beauty of the place.

“I had friends tease me about my eyes spinning when I talked about Portland,” Crabtree says.

He worked in technology and, after about a decade, went to work at
Intel in 2005, managing a group of engineers that worked with video
game companies. He loved his job and he loved his city. Then, Central
Oregon caught his eye. On one of their many visits to Sisters, his
wife said: “This is my favorite place on earth.” On another, they were dazzled by the stars.

Portland, meantime, had been thrashed. Homeless camps were cropping up
along routes that he biked. He was yelling at people to drive more
slowly. Uptight by nature, he decided enough was enough and moved his
family to Sisters in February 2021.

“There was a little bit of a push and a big pull,” Crabtree says.

As they mulled a move, Crabtree saw someone driving at 65 miles per
hour or so down Stark Street. A week later, a pedestrian got killed
near their house.

“That reinforced that this was the right decision,” Crabtree says.

Jenny Rideout moved to Astoria after almost 30 years in the Albina neighborhood. (Lydia Ely)

Jenny Rideout, a drawing and textile artist who moved into the Alberta neighborhood in 1994, became similarly dazzled by another
up-and-coming Oregon town: Astoria. It was last spring. Her daughter
had gone off to college, and it seemed all her friends were talking
about the place.

She became fixated. One day, her husband was walking down Alberta
Street wearing a pirate’s hat (“as one does,” Rideout says). A man walked past and said, “You look like you’re heading to Astoria!”
Rideout took it as a sign. They moved in September.

“It was a lightning bolt,” Rideout, 56, says.

Just as it had for Crabtree, Portland’s blight made Rideout more
willing to leave. The sound of street racing on Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard had become familiar ambient noise, along with gunfire. Fear
of losing a catalytic converter kept her from going downtown to events.

In July 2021, she and her husband went to dinner at the Breakside
Brewery on Northeast Dekum. She stepped outside to wait while her
husband went to the restroom, and she heard the pop-pop-pop of
gunfire. “I hit the deck,” she says. “Everybody went down.”

These days, Rideout plays “Meat Bingo” at the Workers Tavern in
Astoria. One night, she won a roast, a chicken, some bacon, and $75.
She and her husband go to free lectures on history and philosophy at
the Fort George Brewery. And she’s doing more, bigger art. The only
time she hears gunfire in Astoria is during hunting season.

Like Schneider and Crabtree, Rideout says she still loves Portland.
All say they feel for the people who suffer more from the violence and property crime than they do.

“None of this gunfire was seeking me out,” Schneider says. “I’m a white person. We were not the demographic that was in danger. Maybe if
we didn’t have kids, we’d still be there.”

But for all of them, the calculus changed. Their departures will
change Portland, too.
---------------------------------------------------- https://www.wweek.com/news/2023/02/01/they-left-portland-is-losing-some-of-its-biggest-fans/

When liberals run the show, you have dumbasses running the show. When
liberals vote, you have dumbasses voting for dumbasses.

Again, I just hope the dumbasses don't end up over here. We've already
got too many dumbasses voting in Atlanta, Savannah, and a few other
locations infected with dumbasses.

And please keep me updated on the alchemists. I could use the
entertainment.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:39:32 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

https://www.wweek.com/news/2023/02/01/they-left-portland-is-losing-some-of-its-biggest-fans/

When liberals run the show, you have dumbasses running the show. When liberals vote, you have dumbasses voting for dumbasses.

Again, I just hope the dumbasses don't end up over here. We've already
got too many dumbasses voting in Atlanta, Savannah, and a few other locations infected with dumbasses.

And please keep me updated on the alchemists. I could use the
entertainment.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

Shit damn, we all thought I was overly wordy. Those guys make me look overly simplistic. My eyes glazed over long before I got to the end of the thing. Most of it is a familiar story. Individual anecdotes really don't add anything except more
noise. Just about everyone is excited about the increase in crime, despite the fact that we're hanging in there with national averages Crime is going up everywhere. People are losing catalytic converters all over the country. The media likes going on
about crime because it keeps people tuned in for the latest news. Population change has been a popular topic lately even though the percentage are very small. Talking about Multnomah county isn't much different than talking about Portland itself. They
share similar boundaries. If you expand your view the other two thirds of the metropolitan area is doing pretty damn good. Portland suffers from being the oldest part of the metropolitan area and a long time magnet for all of the state's problems.

TB

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On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:18:33 PM UTC-8, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:39:32 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

https://www.wweek.com/news/2023/02/01/they-left-portland-is-losing-some-of-its-biggest-fans/

When liberals run the show, you have dumbasses running the show. When liberals vote, you have dumbasses voting for dumbasses.

Again, I just hope the dumbasses don't end up over here. We've already
got too many dumbasses voting in Atlanta, Savannah, and a few other locations infected with dumbasses.

And please keep me updated on the alchemists. I could use the entertainment.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

Shit damn, we all thought I was overly wordy. Those guys make me look overly simplistic. My eyes glazed over long before I got to the end of the thing. Most of it is a familiar story. Individual anecdotes really don't add anything except more noise.

Just about everyone is excited about the increase in crime, despite the fact that we're hanging in there with national averages Crime is going up everywhere. People are losing catalytic converters all over the country. The media likes going on about
crime because it keeps people tuned in for the latest news. Population change has been a popular topic lately even though the percentage are very small. Talking about Multnomah county isn't much different than talking about Portland itself. They share
similar boundaries. If you expand your view the other two thirds of the metropolitan area is doing pretty damn good. Portland suffers from being the oldest part of the metropolitan area and a long time magnet for all of the state's problems.

TB

I should have mentioned a couple of other things about Portland. There are other reasons Portland gets more than it's fair share of the state's problems. Portland is just about the exact opposite of Coronado CA. Instead of limited access Portland
is easily accessible. All of Oregon's major highways pass through Portland. Most of our major railroads go through Portland. They have the Columbia river on one side of Portland and the Willamette river can be navigated by ships all the way to Portland,
75 miles from the ocean.

The other thing going on is that homeless people are quietly harassed out of the rest of the metropolitan area. There's all sorts of visible unsanctioned camping in Portland, but on this side of town it ends at the city limits. In the suburbs you
have to stay out of sight or you will be harassed. They're still harassing homeless people in Portland as much as they can, but there have gotten to be so many people that they can only harass a small percentage of them at a time.

TB

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:18:33 PM UTC-8, Technobarbarian
wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:39:32 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

https://www.wweek.com/news/2023/02/01/they-left-portland-is-losing-some-of-its-biggest-fans/

When liberals run the show, you have dumbasses running the show. When

liberals vote, you have dumbasses voting for dumbasses.

Again, I just hope the dumbasses don't end up over here. We've
already got too many dumbasses voting in Atlanta, Savannah, and
a few other locations infected with dumbasses.

And please keep me updated on the alchemists. I could use the
entertainment. -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't
work.

Shit damn, we all thought I was overly wordy. Those guys make me
look overly simplistic. My eyes glazed over long before I got to
the end of the thing. Most of it is a familiar story. Individual
anecdotes really don't add anything except more noise. Just about
everyone is excited about the increase in crime, despite the fact
that we're hanging in there with national averages Crime is going
up everywhere. People are losing catalytic converters all over
the country. The media likes going on about crime because it
keeps people tuned in for the latest news. Population change has
been a popular topic lately even though the percentage are very
small. Talking about Multnomah county isn't much different than
talking about Portland itself. They share similar boundaries. If
you expand your view the other two thirds of the metropolitan
area is doing pretty damn good. Portland suffers from being the
oldest part of the metropolitan area and a long time magnet for
all of the state's problems.

TB

I should have mentioned a couple of other things about Portland.
There are other reasons Portland gets more than it's fair share of
the state's problems. Portland is just about the exact opposite of
Coronado CA. Instead of limited access Portland is easily
accessible. All of Oregon's major highways pass through Portland.
Most of our major railroads go through Portland. They have the
Columbia river on one side of Portland and the Willamette river can
be navigated by ships all the way to Portland, 75 miles from the
ocean.

The other thing going on is that homeless people are quietly
harassed out of the rest of the metropolitan area. There's all
sorts of visible unsanctioned camping in Portland, but on this side
of town it ends at the city limits. In the suburbs you have to stay
out of sight or you will be harassed. They're still harassing
homeless people in Portland as much as they can, but there have
gotten to be so many people that they can only harass a small
percentage of them at a time.

That poor mayor has literally just got too many damhighways bringing
in Califoreigners that mess up the metrics of his potential managerial efficacy, and some of the highways are probably racist highways -
which further complicate the calculus. However comma the problem is
probably literally transitory now that the alchemists are about to be
on the job. When you've got people who can turn shit into gold, many
things are uniquely possible.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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On 3/10/2023 12:27 PM, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:31:42 AM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-8, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"California nonprofit Urban Alchemy will manage
Portland’s first mass tent encampment"

"The city did not say how much the site will cost to build
and operate, though in its bid for the project, Urban
Alchemy said it would cost $5.1 million a year to operate a
150-person site and an additional $400,000 for startup
costs. That estimate did not include the cost of meals,
utilities or the construction of the site, which the city
has committed to cover, according to city documents."

"Urban Alchemy hasn’t been particularly
successful at helping people transition to permanent
housing at other sites.

But it looks like they may be uniquely possibly successful
at transitioning public money to themselves.

Yep. They were on the news this morning explaining their
methods. They solve problems, like people going through a
mental health crisis, with lots of love. This must explain why
it costs more to put someone in a tent than it would cost to
put them in a very nice house. Love is expensive, even when
you're buying it by the ton. 90% of their work force is people
who have been incarcerated because they have a special
understanding of the situation, and lots of love.

Why are Portlanders letting the mayor give billion$ of their
money to self-identified alchemists? There must be an as yet
unidentified upside? -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't
work.

I don't think most of them have seen the price tag yet, and a lot
of them won't care after they figure it out because they don't
think the money is coming out of their pocket. For some people this
would just mean there are more jobs in Portland and more money
coming in from outside of the city. They're trying to figure out a
relatively inexpensive way to end the homeless problem that's:
legal and somewhat humane. The camping program sounds like a good
idea, until you see the price tag and look closely at what it
actually means.

The city has stopped saying it, but a lot of people think they will
be able to end "unsanctioned" camping with their official
campgrounds. In theory, if people have a reasonable place to go
they can be forced to stop camping on the streets. This hasn't been
tested in court and I don't think anyone knows what the courts will
require before they can force them off the streets, The math
strongly suggests that they will never reach the point where the
courts will allow them to cite people for unsanctioned camping with
just their camping program. Portland also wants to fund 400
affordable homes. The way the government does it a normal person
couldn't afford those homes if they had to pay the full price.
"Affordable" apartments cost more than nice houses to build. 400
"affordable" houses would only be a fraction of what they need.

Here's an interesting thought for you. If our Nike jillionaire
hadn't tried to buy himself a Republican lite governor our Democrat
governor probably would not have been elected. If the regular
Republican had been elected Portland would not be expecting a huge
cash infusion from the state. Even with a Democrat running the
state Portland isn't likely to get more than a fraction of what
they think they might be able to get in their dreams. Either way,
both parties are trying to fix the problem with expensive bandaids.
They don't talk about real solutions because that would be
politically unpopular. As I've mentioned before: "If they make
possible to build a lot of seriously affordable housing the value
of a lot of homes will go down and that would make a lot of home
owners very unhappy." In a land where the government owns about two
thirds of the land a lot of people and their politicians really
don't want affordable housing. It would take a lot of hot air out
of the current value of homes and who want's *that* in their
neighborhood?

Looking at what FL is doing right could be a good example for
Oregonians.

"Behind Florida's big boom There's a battle for people brewing —
and the Sunshine State is winning"

"Florida is also outshining New York and other major population
centers in tackling the soaring cost of housing. The state issued
212,206 building permits for residential units in 2022, compared
with just 41,254 in New York and 118,065 in California. This
building boom creates a larger stock of housing that keeps prices
more affordable: 17.6% of all housing in Florida has a value of
less than $100,000, whereas in New York the rate is in the single
digits. As a result, 69% of Floridians are homeowners compared with
only 54% of New Yorkers — and fewer people in Florida are
homeless."

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-population-jobs-economy-housing-battle-new-york-california-2023-3

That literally can't be right
Florida is run by Trump light
And DeSaintless is a snake
So the metrics must be fake.

Anonymous, Jr.
Poet NotLaureate

And Georgia produced Santos and MTG. HawHawHaw!

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

kmiller wrote:

On 3/10/2023 12:27 PM, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:31:42 AM UTC-8, bfh wrote: >>>> Technobarbarian wrote:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-8, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"California nonprofit Urban Alchemy will manage
Portland’s first mass tent
encampment"

"The city did not say how much the site will cost to build
and operate, though in its bid for the project, Urban
Alchemy said it would cost $5.1 million a year to operate a
150-person site and an additional $400,000 for startup
costs. That estimate did not include the cost of meals,
utilities or the construction of the site, which the city
has committed to cover, according to city documents."

"Urban Alchemy hasn’t been
particularly
successful at helping people transition to permanent
housing at other sites.

But it looks like they may be uniquely possibly successful
at transitioning public money to themselves.

Yep. They were on the news this morning explaining their
methods. They solve problems, like people going through a
mental health crisis, with lots of love. This must explain why
it costs more to put someone in a tent than it would cost to
put them in a very nice house. Love is expensive, even when
you're buying it by the ton. 90% of their work force is people
who have been incarcerated because they have a special
understanding of the situation, and lots of love.

Why are Portlanders letting the mayor give billion$ of their
money to self-identified alchemists? There must be an as yet
unidentified upside? -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't
work.

I don't think most of them have seen the price tag yet, and a lot
of them won't care after they figure it out because they don't
think the money is coming out of their pocket. For some people this
would just mean there are more jobs in Portland and more money
coming in from outside of the city. They're trying to figure out a
relatively inexpensive way to end the homeless problem that's:
legal and somewhat humane. The camping program sounds like a good
idea, until you see the price tag and look closely at what it
actually means.

The city has stopped saying it, but a lot of people think they will
be able to end "unsanctioned" camping with their official
campgrounds. In theory, if people have a reasonable place to go
they can be forced to stop camping on the streets. This hasn't been
tested in court and I don't think anyone knows what the courts will
require before they can force them off the streets, The math
strongly suggests that they will never reach the point where the
courts will allow them to cite people for unsanctioned camping with
just their camping program. Portland also wants to fund 400
affordable homes. The way the government does it a normal person
couldn't afford those homes if they had to pay the full price.
"Affordable" apartments cost more than nice houses to build. 400
"affordable" houses would only be a fraction of what they need.

Here's an interesting thought for you. If our Nike jillionaire
hadn't tried to buy himself a Republican lite governor our Democrat
governor probably would not have been elected. If the regular
Republican had been elected Portland would not be expecting a huge
cash infusion from the state. Even with a Democrat running the
state Portland isn't likely to get more than a fraction of what
they think they might be able to get in their dreams. Either way,
both parties are trying to fix the problem with expensive bandaids.
They don't talk about real solutions because that would be
politically unpopular. As I've mentioned before: "If they make
possible to build a lot of seriously affordable housing the value
of a lot of homes will go down and that would make a lot of home
owners very unhappy." In a land where the government owns about two
thirds of the land a lot of people and their politicians really
don't want affordable housing. It would take a lot of hot air out
of the current value of homes and who want's *that* in their
neighborhood?

Looking at what FL is doing right could be a good example for
Oregonians.

"Behind Florida's big boom There's a battle for people brewing
—
and the Sunshine State is winning"

"Florida is also outshining New York and other major population
centers in tackling the soaring cost of housing. The state issued
212,206 building permits for residential units in 2022, compared
with just 41,254 in New York and 118,065 in California. This
building boom creates a larger stock of housing that keeps prices
more affordable: 17.6% of all housing in Florida has a value of
less than $100,000, whereas in New York the rate is in the single
digits. As a result, 69% of Floridians are homeowners compared with
only 54% of New Yorkers — and fewer people in Florida are >>> homeless."

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-population-jobs-economy-housing-battle-new-york-california-2023-3

That literally can't be right
Florida is run by Trump light
And DeSaintless is a snake
So the metrics must be fake.

Anonymous, Jr.
Poet NotLaureate

And Georgia produced Santos and MTG. HawHawHaw!

Georgia produced Santos? Did you fall up the stairs and bump your head?

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On 3/12/2023 10:20 AM, kmiller wrote:

On 3/10/2023 12:27 PM, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:31:42 AM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-8, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"California nonprofit Urban Alchemy will manage
Portland’s first mass tent encampment"

"The city did not say how much the site will cost to build
and operate, though in its bid for the project, Urban
Alchemy said it would cost $5.1 million a year to operate a
150-person site and an additional $400,000 for startup
costs. That estimate did not include the cost of meals,
utilities or the construction of the site, which the city
has committed to cover, according to city documents."

"Urban Alchemy hasn’t been particularly
successful at helping people transition to permanent
housing at other sites.

But it looks like they may be uniquely possibly successful
at transitioning public money to themselves.

Yep. They were on the news this morning explaining their
methods. They solve problems, like people going through a
mental health crisis, with lots of love. This must explain why
it costs more to put someone in a tent than it would cost to
put them in a very nice house. Love is expensive, even when
you're buying it by the ton. 90% of their work force is people
who have been incarcerated because they have a special
understanding of the situation, and lots of love.

Why are Portlanders letting the mayor give billion$ of their
money to self-identified alchemists? There must be an as yet
unidentified upside? -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't
work.

I don't think most of them have seen the price tag yet, and a lot
of them won't care after they figure it out because they don't
think the money is coming out of their pocket. For some people this
would just mean there are more jobs in Portland and more money
coming in from outside of the city. They're trying to figure out a
relatively inexpensive way to end the homeless problem that's:
legal and somewhat humane. The camping program sounds like a good
idea, until you see the price tag and look closely at what it
actually means.

The city has stopped saying it, but a lot of people think they will
be able to end "unsanctioned" camping with their official
campgrounds. In theory, if people have a reasonable place to go
they can be forced to stop camping on the streets. This hasn't been
tested in court and I don't think anyone knows what the courts will
require before they can force them off the streets, The math
strongly suggests that they will never reach the point where the
courts will allow them to cite people for unsanctioned camping with
just their camping program. Portland also wants to fund 400
affordable homes. The way the government does it a normal person
couldn't afford those homes if they had to pay the full price.
"Affordable" apartments cost more than nice houses to build. 400
"affordable" houses would only be a fraction of what they need.

Here's an interesting thought for you. If our Nike jillionaire
hadn't tried to buy himself a Republican lite governor our Democrat
governor probably would not have been elected. If the regular
Republican had been elected Portland would not be expecting a huge
cash infusion from the state. Even with a Democrat running the
state Portland isn't likely to get more than a fraction of what
they think they might be able to get in their dreams. Either way,
both parties are trying to fix the problem with expensive bandaids.
They don't talk about real solutions because that would be
politically unpopular. As I've mentioned before: "If they make
possible to build a lot of seriously affordable housing the value
of a lot of homes will go down and that would make a lot of home
owners very unhappy." In a land where the government owns about two
thirds of the land a lot of people and their politicians really
don't want affordable housing. It would take a lot of hot air out
of the current value of homes and who want's *that* in their
neighborhood?

Looking at what FL is doing right could be a good example for
Oregonians.

"Behind Florida's big boom There's a battle for people brewing —
and the Sunshine State is winning"

"Florida is also outshining New York and other major population
centers in tackling the soaring cost of housing. The state issued
212,206 building permits for residential units in 2022, compared
with just 41,254 in New York and 118,065 in California. This
building boom creates a larger stock of housing that keeps prices
more affordable: 17.6% of all housing in Florida has a value of
less than $100,000, whereas in New York the rate is in the single
digits. As a result, 69% of Floridians are homeowners compared with
only 54% of New Yorkers — and fewer people in Florida are
homeless."

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-population-jobs-economy-housing-battle-new-york-california-2023-3

That literally can't be right
Florida is run by Trump light
And DeSaintless is a snake
So the metrics must be fake.

Anonymous, Jr.
Poet NotLaureate

And Georgia produced Santos and MTG. HawHawHaw!

But you loons spawned Biden and Kackala. Double Haw Haw Haw... Haw Haw Haw.

--
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem," - Ronald Reagan

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On 3/12/2023 11:45 AM, bfh wrote:

kmiller wrote:

On 3/10/2023 12:27 PM, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:31:42 AM UTC-8, bfh wrote: >>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-8, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"California nonprofit Urban Alchemy will manage
Portland’s first mass tent
encampment"

"The city did not say how much the site will cost to build
and operate, though in its bid for the project, Urban
Alchemy said it would cost $5.1 million a year to operate a
150-person site and an additional $400,000 for startup
costs. That estimate did not include the cost of meals,
utilities or the construction of the site, which the city
has committed to cover, according to city documents."

"Urban Alchemy hasn’t been
particularly
successful at helping people transition to permanent
housing at other sites.

But it looks like they may be uniquely possibly successful
at transitioning public money to themselves.

Yep. They were on the news this morning explaining their
methods. They solve problems, like people going through a
mental health crisis, with lots of love. This must explain why
it costs more to put someone in a tent than it would cost to
put them in a very nice house. Love is expensive, even when
you're buying it by the ton. 90% of their work force is people
who have been incarcerated because they have a special
understanding of the situation, and lots of love.

Why are Portlanders letting the mayor give billion$ of their
money to self-identified alchemists? There must be an as yet
unidentified upside? -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't
work.

I don't think most of them have seen the price tag yet, and a lot
of them won't care after they figure it out because they don't
think the money is coming out of their pocket. For some people this
would just mean there are more jobs in Portland and more money
coming in from outside of the city. They're trying to figure out a
relatively inexpensive way to end the homeless problem that's:
legal and somewhat humane. The camping program sounds like a good
idea, until you see the price tag and look closely at what it
actually means.

The city has stopped saying it, but a lot of people think they will
be able to end "unsanctioned" camping with their official
campgrounds. In theory, if people have a reasonable place to go
they can be forced to stop camping on the streets. This hasn't been
tested in court and I don't think anyone knows what the courts will
require before they can force them off the streets, The math
strongly suggests that they will never reach the point where the
courts will allow them to cite people for unsanctioned camping with
just their camping program. Portland also wants to fund 400
affordable homes. The way the government does it a normal person
couldn't afford those homes if they had to pay the full price.
"Affordable" apartments cost more than nice houses to build. 400
"affordable" houses would only be a fraction of what they need.

Here's an interesting thought for you. If our Nike jillionaire
hadn't tried to buy himself a Republican lite governor our Democrat
governor probably would not have been elected. If the regular
Republican had been elected Portland would not be expecting a huge
cash infusion from the state. Even with a Democrat running the
state Portland isn't likely to get more than a fraction of what
they think they might be able to get in their dreams. Either way,
both parties are trying to fix the problem with expensive bandaids.
They don't talk about real solutions because that would be
politically unpopular. As I've mentioned before: "If they make
possible to build a lot of seriously affordable housing the value
of a lot of homes will go down and that would make a lot of home
owners very unhappy." In a land where the government owns about two
thirds of the land a lot of people and their politicians really
don't want affordable housing. It would take a lot of hot air out
of the current value of homes and who want's *that* in their
neighborhood?

Looking at what FL is doing right could be a good example for
Oregonians.

"Behind Florida's big boom There's a battle for people brewing —
and the Sunshine State is winning"

"Florida is also outshining New York and other major population
centers in tackling the soaring cost of housing. The state issued
212,206 building permits for residential units in 2022, compared
with just 41,254 in New York and 118,065 in California. This
building boom creates a larger stock of housing that keeps prices
more affordable: 17.6% of all housing in Florida has a value of
less than $100,000, whereas in New York the rate is in the single
digits. As a result, 69% of Floridians are homeowners compared with
only 54% of New Yorkers — and fewer people in Florida are >>>> homeless."

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-population-jobs-economy-housing-battle-new-york-california-2023-3

That literally can't be right
Florida is run by Trump light
And DeSaintless is a snake
So the metrics must be fake.

Anonymous, Jr.
Poet NotLaureate

And Georgia produced Santos and MTG. HawHawHaw!

Georgia produced Santos? Did you fall up the stairs and bump your head?

Cut him some slack. He's on the low end of Mensa member intelligence.

--
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem," - Ronald Reagan

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

kmiller wrote:

On 3/12/2023 9:45 AM, bfh wrote:

kmiller wrote:

On 3/10/2023 12:27 PM, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:31:42 AM UTC-8, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at
8:33:52 PM UTC-8, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"California nonprofit Urban Alchemy will manage
Portland’s
first mass tent encampment"

"The city did not say how much the site will cost to build
and operate, though in its bid for the project, Urban
Alchemy said it would cost $5.1 million a year to operate a
150-person site and an additional $400,000 for startup
costs. That estimate did not include the cost of meals,
utilities or the construction of the site, which the city
has committed to cover, according to city documents."

"Urban Alchemy
hasn’t
been particularly
successful at helping people transition to permanent
housing at other sites.

But it looks like they may be uniquely possibly successful
at transitioning public money to themselves.

Yep. They were on the news this morning explaining their
methods. They solve problems, like people going through a
mental health crisis, with lots of love. This must explain why
it costs more to put someone in a tent than it would cost to
put them in a very nice house. Love is expensive, even when
you're buying it by the ton. 90% of their work force is people
who have been incarcerated because they have a special
understanding of the situation, and lots of love.

Why are Portlanders letting the mayor give billion$ of their
money to self-identified alchemists? There must be an as yet
unidentified upside? -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't
work.

I don't think most of them have seen the price tag yet, and a lot
of them won't care after they figure it out because they don't
think the money is coming out of their pocket. For some people this
would just mean there are more jobs in Portland and more money
coming in from outside of the city. They're trying to figure out a
relatively inexpensive way to end the homeless problem that's:
legal and somewhat humane. The camping program sounds like a good
idea, until you see the price tag and look closely at what it
actually means.

The city has stopped saying it, but a lot of people think they will
be able to end "unsanctioned" camping with their official
campgrounds. In theory, if people have a reasonable place to go
they can be forced to stop camping on the streets. This hasn't been
tested in court and I don't think anyone knows what the courts will
require before they can force them off the streets, The math
strongly suggests that they will never reach the point where the
courts will allow them to cite people for unsanctioned camping with
just their camping program. Portland also wants to fund 400
affordable homes. The way the government does it a normal person
couldn't afford those homes if they had to pay the full price.
"Affordable" apartments cost more than nice houses to build. 400
"affordable" houses would only be a fraction of what they need.

Here's an interesting thought for you. If our Nike jillionaire
hadn't tried to buy himself a Republican lite governor our Democrat
governor probably would not have been elected. If the regular
Republican had been elected Portland would not be expecting a huge
cash infusion from the state. Even with a Democrat running the
state Portland isn't likely to get more than a fraction of what
they think they might be able to get in their dreams. Either way,
both parties are trying to fix the problem with expensive bandaids.
They don't talk about real solutions because that would be
politically unpopular. As I've mentioned before: "If they make
possible to build a lot of seriously affordable housing the value
of a lot of homes will go down and that would make a lot of home
owners very unhappy." In a land where the government owns about two
thirds of the land a lot of people and their politicians really
don't want affordable housing. It would take a lot of hot air out
of the current value of homes and who want's *that* in their
neighborhood?

Looking at what FL is doing right could be a good example for
Oregonians.

"Behind Florida's big boom There's a battle for people brewing
—
and the Sunshine State is winning"

"Florida is also outshining New York and other major population
centers in tackling the soaring cost of housing. The state issued
212,206 building permits for residential units in 2022, compared
with just 41,254 in New York and 118,065 in California. This
building boom creates a larger stock of housing that keeps prices
more affordable: 17.6% of all housing in Florida has a value of
less than $100,000, whereas in New York the rate is in the single
digits. As a result, 69% of Floridians are homeowners compared with
only 54% of New Yorkers — and fewer people in
Florida are
homeless."

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-population-jobs-economy-housing-battle-new-york-california-2023-3

That literally can't be right
Florida is run by Trump light
And DeSaintless is a snake
So the metrics must be fake.

Anonymous, Jr.
Poet NotLaureate

And Georgia produced Santos and MTG. HawHawHaw!

Georgia produced Santos? Did you fall up the stairs and bump your head?

My starlink flared. I should have said, Georgia produced the mentality
that produced George Santos. HawHawHaw!

Now there's a stretch.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On 3/12/2023 9:45 AM, bfh wrote:

kmiller wrote:

On 3/10/2023 12:27 PM, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:31:42 AM UTC-8, bfh wrote: >>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-8, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"California nonprofit Urban Alchemy will manage
Portland’s first mass tent
encampment"

"The city did not say how much the site will cost to build
and operate, though in its bid for the project, Urban
Alchemy said it would cost $5.1 million a year to operate a
150-person site and an additional $400,000 for startup
costs. That estimate did not include the cost of meals,
utilities or the construction of the site, which the city
has committed to cover, according to city documents."

"Urban Alchemy hasn’t been
particularly
successful at helping people transition to permanent
housing at other sites.

But it looks like they may be uniquely possibly successful
at transitioning public money to themselves.

Yep. They were on the news this morning explaining their
methods. They solve problems, like people going through a
mental health crisis, with lots of love. This must explain why
it costs more to put someone in a tent than it would cost to
put them in a very nice house. Love is expensive, even when
you're buying it by the ton. 90% of their work force is people
who have been incarcerated because they have a special
understanding of the situation, and lots of love.

Why are Portlanders letting the mayor give billion$ of their
money to self-identified alchemists? There must be an as yet
unidentified upside? -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't
work.

I don't think most of them have seen the price tag yet, and a lot
of them won't care after they figure it out because they don't
think the money is coming out of their pocket. For some people this
would just mean there are more jobs in Portland and more money
coming in from outside of the city. They're trying to figure out a
relatively inexpensive way to end the homeless problem that's:
legal and somewhat humane. The camping program sounds like a good
idea, until you see the price tag and look closely at what it
actually means.

The city has stopped saying it, but a lot of people think they will
be able to end "unsanctioned" camping with their official
campgrounds. In theory, if people have a reasonable place to go
they can be forced to stop camping on the streets. This hasn't been
tested in court and I don't think anyone knows what the courts will
require before they can force them off the streets, The math
strongly suggests that they will never reach the point where the
courts will allow them to cite people for unsanctioned camping with
just their camping program. Portland also wants to fund 400
affordable homes. The way the government does it a normal person
couldn't afford those homes if they had to pay the full price.
"Affordable" apartments cost more than nice houses to build. 400
"affordable" houses would only be a fraction of what they need.

Here's an interesting thought for you. If our Nike jillionaire
hadn't tried to buy himself a Republican lite governor our Democrat
governor probably would not have been elected. If the regular
Republican had been elected Portland would not be expecting a huge
cash infusion from the state. Even with a Democrat running the
state Portland isn't likely to get more than a fraction of what
they think they might be able to get in their dreams. Either way,
both parties are trying to fix the problem with expensive bandaids.
They don't talk about real solutions because that would be
politically unpopular. As I've mentioned before: "If they make
possible to build a lot of seriously affordable housing the value
of a lot of homes will go down and that would make a lot of home
owners very unhappy." In a land where the government owns about two
thirds of the land a lot of people and their politicians really
don't want affordable housing. It would take a lot of hot air out
of the current value of homes and who want's *that* in their
neighborhood?

Looking at what FL is doing right could be a good example for
Oregonians.

"Behind Florida's big boom There's a battle for people brewing —
and the Sunshine State is winning"

"Florida is also outshining New York and other major population
centers in tackling the soaring cost of housing. The state issued
212,206 building permits for residential units in 2022, compared
with just 41,254 in New York and 118,065 in California. This
building boom creates a larger stock of housing that keeps prices
more affordable: 17.6% of all housing in Florida has a value of
less than $100,000, whereas in New York the rate is in the single
digits. As a result, 69% of Floridians are homeowners compared with
only 54% of New Yorkers — and fewer people in Florida are >>>> homeless."

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-population-jobs-economy-housing-battle-new-york-california-2023-3

That literally can't be right
Florida is run by Trump light
And DeSaintless is a snake
So the metrics must be fake.

Anonymous, Jr.
Poet NotLaureate

And Georgia produced Santos and MTG. HawHawHaw!

Georgia produced Santos? Did you fall up the stairs and bump your head?

My starlink flared. I should have said, Georgia produced the mentality
that produced George Santos. HawHawHaw!

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bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:

kmiller wrote:

On 3/12/2023 9:45 AM, bfh wrote:

kmiller wrote:

On 3/10/2023 12:27 PM, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:31:42 AM UTC-8, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at
8:33:52 PM UTC-8, bfh
wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

"California nonprofit Urban Alchemy will manage
Portland’s

first mass tent encampment"

"The city did not say how much the site will cost to build >>>>>>>>>> and operate, though in its bid for the project, Urban
Alchemy said it would cost $5.1 million a year to operate a >>>>>>>>>> 150-person site and an additional $400,000 for startup
costs. That estimate did not include the cost of meals,
utilities or the construction of the site, which the city
has committed to cover, according to city documents."

"Urban Alchemy
hasn’t

been particularly
successful at helping people transition to permanent
housing at other sites.

But it looks like they may be uniquely possibly successful
at transitioning public money to themselves.

Yep. They were on the news this morning explaining their
methods. They solve problems, like people going through a
mental health crisis, with lots of love. This must explain why >>>>>>>> it costs more to put someone in a tent than it would cost to
put them in a very nice house. Love is expensive, even when
you're buying it by the ton. 90% of their work force is people >>>>>>>> who have been incarcerated because they have a special
understanding of the situation, and lots of love.

Why are Portlanders letting the mayor give billion$ of their
money to self-identified alchemists? There must be an as yet
unidentified upside? -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't >>>>>>> work.

I don't think most of them have seen the price tag yet, and a lot
of them won't care after they figure it out because they don't
think the money is coming out of their pocket. For some people this >>>>>> would just mean there are more jobs in Portland and more money
coming in from outside of the city. They're trying to figure out a >>>>>> relatively inexpensive way to end the homeless problem that's:
legal and somewhat humane. The camping program sounds like a good
idea, until you see the price tag and look closely at what it
actually means.

The city has stopped saying it, but a lot of people think they will >>>>>> be able to end "unsanctioned" camping with their official
campgrounds. In theory, if people have a reasonable place to go
they can be forced to stop camping on the streets. This hasn't been >>>>>> tested in court and I don't think anyone knows what the courts will >>>>>> require before they can force them off the streets, The math
strongly suggests that they will never reach the point where the
courts will allow them to cite people for unsanctioned camping with >>>>>> just their camping program. Portland also wants to fund 400
affordable homes. The way the government does it a normal person
couldn't afford those homes if they had to pay the full price.
"Affordable" apartments cost more than nice houses to build. 400
"affordable" houses would only be a fraction of what they need.

Here's an interesting thought for you. If our Nike jillionaire
hadn't tried to buy himself a Republican lite governor our Democrat >>>>>> governor probably would not have been elected. If the regular
Republican had been elected Portland would not be expecting a huge >>>>>> cash infusion from the state. Even with a Democrat running the
state Portland isn't likely to get more than a fraction of what
they think they might be able to get in their dreams. Either way,
both parties are trying to fix the problem with expensive bandaids. >>>>>> They don't talk about real solutions because that would be
politically unpopular. As I've mentioned before: "If they make
possible to build a lot of seriously affordable housing the value
of a lot of homes will go down and that would make a lot of home
owners very unhappy." In a land where the government owns about two >>>>>> thirds of the land a lot of people and their politicians really
don't want affordable housing. It would take a lot of hot air out
of the current value of homes and who want's *that* in their
neighborhood?

Looking at what FL is doing right could be a good example for
Oregonians.

"Behind Florida's big boom There's a battle for people brewing
—
and the Sunshine State is winning"

"Florida is also outshining New York and other major population
centers in tackling the soaring cost of housing. The state issued
212,206 building permits for residential units in 2022, compared
with just 41,254 in New York and 118,065 in California. This
building boom creates a larger stock of housing that keeps prices
more affordable: 17.6% of all housing in Florida has a value of
less than $100,000, whereas in New York the rate is in the single
digits. As a result, 69% of Floridians are homeowners compared with >>>>>> only 54% of New Yorkers — and fewer people in
Florida are
homeless."

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-population-jobs-economy-housing-battle-new-york-california-2023-3

That literally can't be right
Florida is run by Trump light
And DeSaintless is a snake
So the metrics must be fake.

Anonymous, Jr.
Poet NotLaureate

And Georgia produced Santos and MTG. HawHawHaw!

Georgia produced Santos? Did you fall up the stairs and bump your head?

My starlink flared. I should have said, Georgia produced the mentality
that produced George Santos. HawHawHaw!

Now there's a stretch.

Yeah, just like Hanoi Jane was joking.

--
“If you love me I will always be in your heart. If you hate me I will
always be in your mind.” - Donald ‘William Shakespeare’ Trump

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