Yeah, I'm enjoying the hell out of the changes at Twitter.

"Elon Musk Loses It Over Twitter Advertiser Exodus, Threatens
‘Thermonuclear Name & Shame’

Ross A. Lincoln
Fri, November 4, 2022 at 9:08 PM·2 min read

Elon Musk is apparently freaking out a little over an exodus of
advertisers on Twitter since he took over, because he publicly
threatened them on Friday night.

It started Friday morning, when he whined in an extremely Trump-like
tweet that advertisers were fleeing because of “activist groups,” which
he said was “Extremely messed up!” and an attempt “to destroy free
speech in America.” He also insisted “nothing has changed” since he took over.

Among the many replies to this tweet was Federalist Society fellow Mike
Davis, a lawyer best known for his involvement with the confirmation of
Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. Davis had some advice for Musk of
fairly dubious legal wisdom:

“Name and shame the advertisers who are succumbing to the advertiser boycotts. So we can counter-boycott them. And get your $8 monthly
subscription going asap. So we can start to makeup for lost revenue
now,” he said in part.

Musk’s reply: “Thank you. A thermonuclear name & shame is exactly what
will happen if this continues.”

Sure. Because one thing we know for certain, threatening advertisers
with either a retaliatory boycott or some form of doxxing is a sure-fire
way to convince them to give you money.

Musk was, per usual lately, widely mocked on the platform he owns. We
won’t get too bogged down on that, but we would like to share a couple
of the more cogent responses:

Content moderation has, of course, been the primary concern advertisers
have expressed about Twitter now that Musk is in charge. Advertisers
don’t want their ads appearing next to disinformation or racist/sexist/harassing/etc tweets, something experts have repeatedly
tried to explain to Musk — including one Musk blocked who had
participated in a phone meeting Musk held with advertisers on the topic
the night before.

Setting aside the hyperbole of his original tweet, plenty has actually
changed since he took over. Prior to his buying the company, he
repeatedly indicated he wanted to drastically reduce how content is
moderated on Twitter. Then when he did take over, there was a sharp and
very visible spike in racist and other forms of bigoted speech. And of
course, Musk ended his first weekend as Twitter’s new owner by sharing a homophobic conspiracy theory about the attack on Nancy Pelosi’s husband." [snip]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-loses-over-twitter-040836233.html

"Twitter Blames Flood of N-Words, Other Racist Slurs Following Musk’s Takeover on an Organized ‘Trolling Campaign’

Meanwhile, Musk appeared to violate company's misinformation policy by
tweeting a baseless conspiracy theory (before deleting the post)"

https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/twitter-n-word-racist-slurs-musk-trolling-campaign-1235417866/

"Papa Elon broke his silence Friday night on the mass layoffs that
happened earlier in the day at Twitter, claiming he had no choice but to
cut folks loose ... he says the social media service was losing over $4
million a day."

https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/04/elon-musk-twitter-layoffs-company-losing-four-million-per-day/

TB

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On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:31:53 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yeah, I'm enjoying the hell out of the changes at Twitter.

"Elon Musk Loses It Over Twitter Advertiser Exodus, Threatens ‘Thermonuclear Name & Shame’

Ross A. Lincoln
Fri, November 4, 2022 at 9:08 PM·2 min read

Elon Musk is apparently freaking out a little over an exodus of
advertisers on Twitter since he took over, because he publicly
threatened them on Friday night.

It started Friday morning, when he whined in an extremely Trump-like
tweet that advertisers were fleeing because of “activist groups,” which he said was “Extremely messed up!” and an attempt “to destroy free speech in America.” He also insisted “nothing has changed” since he took
over.

Among the many replies to this tweet was Federalist Society fellow Mike Davis, a lawyer best known for his involvement with the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. Davis had some advice for Musk of
fairly dubious legal wisdom:

“Name and shame the advertisers who are succumbing to the advertiser boycotts. So we can counter-boycott them. And get your $8 monthly subscription going asap. So we can start to makeup for lost revenue
now,” he said in part.

Musk’s reply: “Thank you. A thermonuclear name & shame is exactly what will happen if this continues.”

Sure. Because one thing we know for certain, threatening advertisers
with either a retaliatory boycott or some form of doxxing is a sure-fire
way to convince them to give you money.

Musk was, per usual lately, widely mocked on the platform he owns. We won’t get too bogged down on that, but we would like to share a couple
of the more cogent responses:

Content moderation has, of course, been the primary concern advertisers
have expressed about Twitter now that Musk is in charge. Advertisers
don’t want their ads appearing next to disinformation or racist/sexist/harassing/etc tweets, something experts have repeatedly
tried to explain to Musk — including one Musk blocked who had
participated in a phone meeting Musk held with advertisers on the topic
the night before.

Setting aside the hyperbole of his original tweet, plenty has actually changed since he took over. Prior to his buying the company, he
repeatedly indicated he wanted to drastically reduce how content is moderated on Twitter. Then when he did take over, there was a sharp and
very visible spike in racist and other forms of bigoted speech. And of course, Musk ended his first weekend as Twitter’s new owner by sharing a homophobic conspiracy theory about the attack on Nancy Pelosi’s husband." [snip]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-loses-over-twitter-040836233.html

"Twitter Blames Flood of N-Words, Other Racist Slurs Following Musk’s Takeover on an Organized ‘Trolling Campaign’

Meanwhile, Musk appeared to violate company's misinformation policy by tweeting a baseless conspiracy theory (before deleting the post)"

https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/twitter-n-word-racist-slurs-musk-trolling-campaign-1235417866/

"Papa Elon broke his silence Friday night on the mass layoffs that
happened earlier in the day at Twitter, claiming he had no choice but to
cut folks loose ... he says the social media service was losing over $4 million a day."

https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/04/elon-musk-twitter-layoffs-company-losing-four-million-per-day/

TB

I can't help but wonder why somebody smart as Musk is, would want to get dogged into something like twitter? Seems like he'd just build more vehicles, rocket ships, high tech gear, and spend that extra time chasing women?

Martha Stewart Jr.

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On 11/5/2022 9:30 PM, film...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:31:53 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yeah, I'm enjoying the hell out of the changes at Twitter.

"Elon Musk Loses It Over Twitter Advertiser Exodus, Threatens
‘Thermonuclear Name & Shame’

Ross A. Lincoln
Fri, November 4, 2022 at 9:08 PM·2 min read

Elon Musk is apparently freaking out a little over an exodus of
advertisers on Twitter since he took over, because he publicly
threatened them on Friday night.

It started Friday morning, when he whined in an extremely Trump-like
tweet that advertisers were fleeing because of “activist groups,” which >> he said was “Extremely messed up!” and an attempt “to destroy free
speech in America.” He also insisted “nothing has changed” since he took
over.

Among the many replies to this tweet was Federalist Society fellow Mike
Davis, a lawyer best known for his involvement with the confirmation of
Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. Davis had some advice for Musk of
fairly dubious legal wisdom:

“Name and shame the advertisers who are succumbing to the advertiser
boycotts. So we can counter-boycott them. And get your $8 monthly
subscription going asap. So we can start to makeup for lost revenue
now,” he said in part.

Musk’s reply: “Thank you. A thermonuclear name & shame is exactly what >> will happen if this continues.”

Sure. Because one thing we know for certain, threatening advertisers
with either a retaliatory boycott or some form of doxxing is a sure-fire
way to convince them to give you money.

Musk was, per usual lately, widely mocked on the platform he owns. We
won’t get too bogged down on that, but we would like to share a couple
of the more cogent responses:

Content moderation has, of course, been the primary concern advertisers
have expressed about Twitter now that Musk is in charge. Advertisers
don’t want their ads appearing next to disinformation or
racist/sexist/harassing/etc tweets, something experts have repeatedly
tried to explain to Musk — including one Musk blocked who had
participated in a phone meeting Musk held with advertisers on the topic
the night before.

Setting aside the hyperbole of his original tweet, plenty has actually
changed since he took over. Prior to his buying the company, he
repeatedly indicated he wanted to drastically reduce how content is
moderated on Twitter. Then when he did take over, there was a sharp and
very visible spike in racist and other forms of bigoted speech. And of
course, Musk ended his first weekend as Twitter’s new owner by sharing a >> homophobic conspiracy theory about the attack on Nancy Pelosi’s husband." >> [snip]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-loses-over-twitter-040836233.html

"Twitter Blames Flood of N-Words, Other Racist Slurs Following Musk’s
Takeover on an Organized ‘Trolling Campaign’

Meanwhile, Musk appeared to violate company's misinformation policy by
tweeting a baseless conspiracy theory (before deleting the post)"

https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/twitter-n-word-racist-slurs-musk-trolling-campaign-1235417866/

"Papa Elon broke his silence Friday night on the mass layoffs that
happened earlier in the day at Twitter, claiming he had no choice but to
cut folks loose ... he says the social media service was losing over $4
million a day."

https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/04/elon-musk-twitter-layoffs-company-losing-four-million-per-day/

TB

I can't help but wonder why somebody smart as Musk is, would want to get dogged into something like twitter? Seems like he'd just build more vehicles, rocket ships, high tech gear, and spend that extra time chasing women?

Martha Stewart Jr.

The evidence suggest that even really smart people aren't nearly
as smart as everyone thinks. Personally I have a lower estimate of
Elon's intelligence than most folks. He has also had a lot of luck and
Daddy's money to start with. Either way there's only so much you can do
with a biological computer. And we all have to deal with our emotions
and evolutionary heritage. Mr. Musk may have a few problems in that
department. I don't think we've gotten all that far from our biological ancestors, despite all of our fancy gadgets.

Whatever he makes Elon also has to find buyers. That's always the
tricky part. Twitter and all that advertising he can sell is a good
example of this. So it must be some terrible conspiracy holding him
back. LOL

Elon probably isn't spending much time chasing women, because he
doesn't need to. He probably has too many women chasing him.

TB

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film...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:31:53 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yeah, I'm enjoying the hell out of the changes at Twitter.

"Elon Musk Loses It Over Twitter Advertiser Exodus, Threatens
‘Thermonuclear Name & Shame’

Ross A. Lincoln
Fri, November 4, 2022 at 9:08 PM·2 min read

Elon Musk is apparently freaking out a little over an exodus of
advertisers on Twitter since he took over, because he publicly
threatened them on Friday night.

It started Friday morning, when he whined in an extremely Trump-like
tweet that advertisers were fleeing because of “activist groups,” which >> he said was “Extremely messed up!” and an attempt “to destroy free
speech in America.” He also insisted “nothing has changed” since he took
over.

Among the many replies to this tweet was Federalist Society fellow Mike
Davis, a lawyer best known for his involvement with the confirmation of
Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. Davis had some advice for Musk of
fairly dubious legal wisdom:

“Name and shame the advertisers who are succumbing to the advertiser
boycotts. So we can counter-boycott them. And get your $8 monthly
subscription going asap. So we can start to makeup for lost revenue
now,” he said in part.

Musk’s reply: “Thank you. A thermonuclear name & shame is exactly what >> will happen if this continues.”

Sure. Because one thing we know for certain, threatening advertisers
with either a retaliatory boycott or some form of doxxing is a sure-fire
way to convince them to give you money.

Musk was, per usual lately, widely mocked on the platform he owns. We
won’t get too bogged down on that, but we would like to share a couple
of the more cogent responses:

Content moderation has, of course, been the primary concern advertisers
have expressed about Twitter now that Musk is in charge. Advertisers
don’t want their ads appearing next to disinformation or
racist/sexist/harassing/etc tweets, something experts have repeatedly
tried to explain to Musk — including one Musk blocked who had
participated in a phone meeting Musk held with advertisers on the topic
the night before.

Setting aside the hyperbole of his original tweet, plenty has actually
changed since he took over. Prior to his buying the company, he
repeatedly indicated he wanted to drastically reduce how content is
moderated on Twitter. Then when he did take over, there was a sharp and
very visible spike in racist and other forms of bigoted speech. And of
course, Musk ended his first weekend as Twitter’s new owner by sharing a >> homophobic conspiracy theory about the attack on Nancy Pelosi’s husband." >> [snip]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-loses-over-twitter-040836233.html

"Twitter Blames Flood of N-Words, Other Racist Slurs Following Musk’s
Takeover on an Organized ‘Trolling Campaign’

Meanwhile, Musk appeared to violate company's misinformation policy by
tweeting a baseless conspiracy theory (before deleting the post)"

https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/twitter-n-word-racist-slurs-musk-trolling-campaign-1235417866/

"Papa Elon broke his silence Friday night on the mass layoffs that
happened earlier in the day at Twitter, claiming he had no choice but to
cut folks loose ... he says the social media service was losing over $4
million a day."

https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/04/elon-musk-twitter-layoffs-company-losing-four-million-per-day/

TB

I can't help but wonder why somebody smart as Musk is, would want to get dogged into something like twitter? Seems like he'd just build more vehicles, rocket ships, high tech gear, and spend that extra time chasing women?

Martha Stewart Jr.

Ego.

--
Frank Howell

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film...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:31:53 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
wrote:

Yeah, I'm enjoying the hell out of the changes at Twitter.

"Elon Musk Loses It Over Twitter Advertiser Exodus, Threatens
‘Thermonuclear Name & Shame’

Ross A. Lincoln Fri, November 4, 2022 at 9:08 PM·2 min read

Elon Musk is apparently freaking out a little over an exodus of
advertisers on Twitter since he took over, because he publicly
threatened them on Friday night.

It started Friday morning, when he whined in an extremely
Trump-like tweet that advertisers were fleeing because of
“activist groups,” which he said was “Extremely messed
up!” and an attempt “to destroy free speech in America.” He
also insisted “nothing has changed” since he took over.

Among the many replies to this tweet was Federalist Society
fellow Mike Davis, a lawyer best known for his involvement with
the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. Davis had
some advice for Musk of fairly dubious legal wisdom:

“Name and shame the advertisers who are succumbing to the
advertiser boycotts. So we can counter-boycott them. And get your
$8 monthly subscription going asap. So we can start to makeup for
lost revenue now,” he said in part.

Musk’s reply: “Thank you. A thermonuclear name & shame is
exactly what will happen if this continues.”

Sure. Because one thing we know for certain, threatening
advertisers with either a retaliatory boycott or some form of
doxxing is a sure-fire way to convince them to give you money.

Musk was, per usual lately, widely mocked on the platform he
owns. We won’t get too bogged down on that, but we would like
to share a couple of the more cogent responses:

Content moderation has, of course, been the primary concern
advertisers have expressed about Twitter now that Musk is in
charge. Advertisers don’t want their ads appearing next to
disinformation or racist/sexist/harassing/etc tweets, something
experts have repeatedly tried to explain to Musk — including
one Musk blocked who had participated in a phone meeting Musk
held with advertisers on the topic the night before.

Setting aside the hyperbole of his original tweet, plenty has
actually changed since he took over. Prior to his buying the
company, he repeatedly indicated he wanted to drastically reduce
how content is moderated on Twitter. Then when he did take over,
there was a sharp and very visible spike in racist and other
forms of bigoted speech. And of course, Musk ended his first
weekend as Twitter’s new owner by sharing a homophobic
conspiracy theory about the attack on Nancy Pelosi’s husband."
[snip]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-loses-over-twitter-040836233.html

"Twitter Blames Flood of N-Words, Other Racist Slurs Following Musk’s

Takeover on an Organized ‘Trolling Campaign’

Meanwhile, Musk appeared to violate company's misinformation
policy by tweeting a baseless conspiracy theory (before deleting
the post)"

https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/twitter-n-word-racist-slurs-musk-trolling-campaign-1235417866/



"Papa Elon broke his silence Friday night on the mass layoffs that
happened earlier in the day at Twitter, claiming he had no choice
but to cut folks loose ... he says the social media service was
losing over $4 million a day."

https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/04/elon-musk-twitter-layoffs-company-losing-four-million-per-day/

TB

I can't help but wonder why somebody smart as Musk is, would want
to get dogged into something like twitter? Seems like he'd just
build more vehicles, rocket ships, high tech gear, and spend that
extra time chasing women?

Martha Stewart Jr.

I'm not alleging that Twaddle and SpaceX are even remotely comparable,
or that Elon will eventually start smelling less like skunk musk and
more like a rose, but a few years ago, a number of experts thought it
was ridiculous to try to build a booster that could be reused once -
much less over a dozen times - by coming home to roost tail first.
Those experts have since had to reorient and pivot to a transitory
dietary addition.
CawCawCaw!

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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On 11/10/2022 12:59 PM, bfh wrote:

film...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:31:53 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
wrote:

Yeah, I'm enjoying the hell out of the changes at Twitter.

"Elon Musk Loses It Over Twitter Advertiser Exodus, Threatens
‘Thermonuclear Name & Shame’

Ross A. Lincoln Fri, November 4, 2022 at 9:08 PM·2 min read

Elon Musk is apparently freaking out a little over an exodus of
advertisers on Twitter since he took over, because he publicly
threatened them on Friday night.

It started Friday morning, when he whined in an extremely
Trump-like tweet that advertisers were fleeing because of
“activist groups,” which he said was “Extremely messed >>> up!” and an attempt “to destroy free speech in America.” He
also insisted “nothing has changed” since he took over.

Among the many replies to this tweet was Federalist Society
fellow Mike Davis, a lawyer best known for his involvement with
the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. Davis had
some advice for Musk of fairly dubious legal wisdom:

“Name and shame the advertisers who are succumbing to the
advertiser boycotts. So we can counter-boycott them. And get your
$8 monthly subscription going asap. So we can start to makeup for
lost revenue now,” he said in part.

Musk’s reply: “Thank you. A thermonuclear name & shame is
exactly what will happen if this continues.”

Sure. Because one thing we know for certain, threatening
advertisers with either a retaliatory boycott or some form of
doxxing is a sure-fire way to convince them to give you money.

Musk was, per usual lately, widely mocked on the platform he
owns. We won’t get too bogged down on that, but we would like
to share a couple of the more cogent responses:

Content moderation has, of course, been the primary concern
advertisers have expressed about Twitter now that Musk is in
charge. Advertisers don’t want their ads appearing next to
disinformation or racist/sexist/harassing/etc tweets, something
experts have repeatedly tried to explain to Musk — including
one Musk blocked who had participated in a phone meeting Musk
held with advertisers on the topic the night before.

Setting aside the hyperbole of his original tweet, plenty has
actually changed since he took over. Prior to his buying the
company, he repeatedly indicated he wanted to drastically reduce
how content is moderated on Twitter. Then when he did take over,
there was a sharp and very visible spike in racist and other
forms of bigoted speech. And of course, Musk ended his first
weekend as Twitter’s new owner by sharing a homophobic
conspiracy theory about the attack on Nancy Pelosi’s husband." [snip]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-loses-over-twitter-040836233.html

"Twitter Blames Flood of N-Words, Other Racist Slurs Following Musk’s

Takeover on an Organized ‘Trolling Campaign’

Meanwhile, Musk appeared to violate company's misinformation
policy by tweeting a baseless conspiracy theory (before deleting
the post)"

https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/twitter-n-word-racist-slurs-musk-trolling-campaign-1235417866/



"Papa Elon broke his silence Friday night on the mass layoffs that
happened earlier in the day at Twitter, claiming he had no choice
but to cut folks loose ... he says the social media service was
losing over $4 million a day."

https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/04/elon-musk-twitter-layoffs-company-losing-four-million-per-day/

TB

I can't help but wonder why somebody smart as Musk is,  would want
to get dogged into something like twitter?   Seems like he'd just
build more vehicles,  rocket ships, high tech gear,  and spend that
extra time chasing women?

Martha Stewart Jr.

I'm not alleging that Twaddle and SpaceX are even remotely comparable,
or that Elon will eventually start smelling less like skunk musk and
more like a rose, but a few years ago, a number of experts thought it
was ridiculous to try to build a booster that could be reused once -
much less over a dozen times - by coming home to roost tail first. Those experts have since had to reorient and pivot to a transitory dietary addition.
CawCawCaw!

Can you name any of these claimed experts? It looks like a lot of
people thought it could be done. Some of them had done it. NASA did it
back in the '60s, under more difficult circumstances. They did it on the
moon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTVL

"Vertical takeoff, vertical landing (VTVL) is a form of takeoff and
landing for rockets. Multiple VTVL craft have flown. The most widely
known and commercially successful VTVL rocket is SpaceX's Falcon 9 first stage.[citation needed]

VTVL technologies were developed substantially with small rockets after
2000, in part due to incentive prize competitions like the Lunar Lander Challenge. Successful small VTVL rockets were developed by Masten Space Systems, Armadillo Aerospace, and others.

Starting in the mid-2010s, VTVL was under intense development as a
technology for reusable rockets large enough to transport people. In
2013, SpaceX demonstrated vertical landing on a Falcon 9 prototype after climbing 744 meters in the air.[1] Later, Blue Origin (New Shepard) and
SpaceX (Falcon 9), both demonstrated recovery of launch vehicles after
return to the launch site (RTLS) operations, with Blue Origin's New
Shepard booster rocket making the first successful vertical landing on
November 23, 2015, following a flight that reached outer space, and
SpaceX's Falcon 9 flight 20 marking the first landing of a commercial
orbital booster roughly a month later, on December 22, 2015. All
launches of the Falcon Heavy rocket by SpaceX have included VTVL
attempts for the two side boosters on each rocket. SpaceX is also
planning a fully reusable rocket named Starship.[2]

VTVL rockets are not to be confused with aircraft which take off and
land vertically which use the air for support and propulsion, such as helicopters and jump jets which are VTOL aircraft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTVL

The Wiki has an expanded section on the history of VTVL rockets
that you might find educational.

TB

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTVL

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On 11/10/2022 12:59 PM, bfh wrote:

film...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:31:53 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
wrote:

Yeah, I'm enjoying the hell out of the changes at Twitter.

"Elon Musk Loses It Over Twitter Advertiser Exodus, Threatens
‘Thermonuclear Name & Shame’

Ross A. Lincoln Fri, November 4, 2022 at 9:08 PM·2 min read

Elon Musk is apparently freaking out a little over an exodus of
advertisers on Twitter since he took over, because he publicly
threatened them on Friday night.

It started Friday morning, when he whined in an extremely
Trump-like tweet that advertisers were fleeing because of
“activist groups,” which he said was “Extremely
messed
up!” and an attempt “to destroy free speech in
America.” He
also insisted “nothing has changed” since he took over.

Among the many replies to this tweet was Federalist Society
fellow Mike Davis, a lawyer best known for his involvement with
the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. Davis had
some advice for Musk of fairly dubious legal wisdom:

“Name and shame the advertisers who are succumbing to the >>>> advertiser boycotts. So we can counter-boycott them. And get your
$8 monthly subscription going asap. So we can start to makeup for
lost revenue now,” he said in part.

Musk’s reply: “Thank you. A thermonuclear name &
shame is
exactly what will happen if this continues.”

Sure. Because one thing we know for certain, threatening
advertisers with either a retaliatory boycott or some form of
doxxing is a sure-fire way to convince them to give you money.

Musk was, per usual lately, widely mocked on the platform he
owns. We won’t get too bogged down on that, but we would like
to share a couple of the more cogent responses:

Content moderation has, of course, been the primary concern
advertisers have expressed about Twitter now that Musk is in
charge. Advertisers don’t want their ads appearing next to
disinformation or racist/sexist/harassing/etc tweets, something
experts have repeatedly tried to explain to Musk — including
one Musk blocked who had participated in a phone meeting Musk
held with advertisers on the topic the night before.

Setting aside the hyperbole of his original tweet, plenty has
actually changed since he took over. Prior to his buying the
company, he repeatedly indicated he wanted to drastically reduce
how content is moderated on Twitter. Then when he did take over,
there was a sharp and very visible spike in racist and other
forms of bigoted speech. And of course, Musk ended his first
weekend as Twitter’s new owner by sharing a homophobic >>>> conspiracy theory about the attack on Nancy Pelosi’s >>>> husband." [snip]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-loses-over-twitter-040836233.html >>>>

"Twitter Blames Flood of N-Words, Other Racist Slurs Following
Musk’s

Takeover on an Organized ‘Trolling Campaign’

Meanwhile, Musk appeared to violate company's misinformation
policy by tweeting a baseless conspiracy theory (before deleting
the post)"

https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/twitter-n-word-racist-slurs-musk-trolling-campaign-1235417866/




"Papa Elon broke his silence Friday night on the mass layoffs that
happened earlier in the day at Twitter, claiming he had no choice
but to cut folks loose ... he says the social media service was
losing over $4 million a day."

https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/04/elon-musk-twitter-layoffs-company-losing-four-million-per-day/

TB

I can't help but wonder why somebody smart as Musk is,  would want
to get dogged into something like twitter?   Seems like he'd just
build more vehicles,  rocket ships, high tech gear,  and spend that >>> extra time chasing women?

Martha Stewart Jr.

I'm not alleging that Twaddle and SpaceX are even remotely
comparable, or that Elon will eventually start smelling less like
skunk musk and more like a rose, but a few years ago, a number of
experts thought it was ridiculous to try to build a booster that
could be reused once - much less over a dozen times - by coming home
to roost tail first. Those experts have since had to reorient and
pivot to a transitory dietary addition.
CawCawCaw!

     Can you name any of these claimed experts? It looks like a lot
of people thought it could be done. Some of them had done it. NASA did
it back in the '60s, under more difficult circumstances. They did it
on the moon.

A lot easier to do at 1/6th Earth gravity and no atmosphere, wouldn't
you think?

And then you have to ask, what were they doing for the next
half-century? If they thought it was such a good idea and fiscally
promising, why didn't Boeing and Lockheed Martin do it decades ago?

-----------------------------------------------------------
Even today [Jan 5, 2017], with SpaceX having partially demonstrated
the technology, some of the launch vehicle manufacturers are still not convinced that it would be worthwhile for them to invest their own
resources into their upcoming vehicle designs.

[You think they're convinced yet?]

In an interview about the Ariane 6, Arianespace CEO Stéphane Israel said:

It is a beautiful technological achievement in the context of a
mission in LEO asking little performance from the launcher, freeing
the performance required by recovery. But for the economic equation,
things are still very uncertain. Performance loss on recovery, lower industrial rate, cost of refurbishment of the first stage, difficulty convincing customers to use a used launcher, uncertainties about the reliability: it would be a mistake to consider reuse is the alpha and
omega of disruptive innovation in the field of launchers.

[You think they're still thinking that?]

There may be other ways to innovate, such as micro-launcher I had
discussed this summer after meetings with players in Silicon Valley
who want very cheap launches, less than 10 million, for satellites of
several tens of kilograms. Especially, in the European context, with
markets and accessible rates lower than those offered to American
launchers, the cardinal priority is the road map defined at the last ministerial conference of ESA (European Space Agency): Vega C Ariane
in 2018 and 6 in 2020, as part of a new governance which always aim at
making cost more competitive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTVL

"Vertical takeoff, vertical landing (VTVL) is a form of takeoff and
landing for rockets. Multiple VTVL craft have flown. The most widely
known and commercially successful VTVL rocket is SpaceX's Falcon 9
first stage.[citation needed]

VTVL technologies were developed substantially with small rockets
after 2000, in part due to incentive prize competitions like the Lunar
Lander Challenge. Successful small VTVL rockets were developed by
Masten Space Systems, Armadillo Aerospace, and others.

Starting in the mid-2010s, VTVL was under intense development as a technology for reusable rockets large enough to transport people. In
2013, SpaceX demonstrated vertical landing on a Falcon 9 prototype
after climbing 744 meters in the air.[1] Later, Blue Origin (New
Shepard) and SpaceX (Falcon 9), both demonstrated recovery of launch vehicles after return to the launch site (RTLS) operations, with Blue Origin's New Shepard booster rocket making the first successful
vertical landing on November 23, 2015, following a flight that reached
outer space, and SpaceX's Falcon 9 flight 20 marking the first landing
of a commercial orbital booster roughly a month later, on December 22,
2015. All launches of the Falcon Heavy rocket by SpaceX have included
VTVL attempts for the two side boosters on each rocket. SpaceX is also planning a fully reusable rocket named Starship.[2]

VTVL rockets are not to be confused with aircraft which take off and
land vertically which use the air for support and propulsion, such as helicopters and jump jets which are VTOL aircraft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTVL

    The Wiki has an expanded section on the history of VTVL rockets
that you might find educational.

TB

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTVL

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On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 10:31:53 PM UTC-5, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yeah, I'm enjoying the hell out of the changes at Twitter.

"Elon Musk Loses It Over Twitter Advertiser Exodus, Threatens ‘Thermonuclear Name & Shame’

Ross A. Lincoln
Fri, November 4, 2022 at 9:08 PM·2 min read

Elon Musk is apparently freaking out a little over an exodus of
advertisers on Twitter since he took over, because he publicly
threatened them on Friday night.

He is not a forward looking business man

Last month, he tweeted a whiny petulant tweet about how other corporations got subsidies but his do not.

He gets plenty of subsidies, but even if he did not, a successful businessman should not need subsidies

For all his self drawn image of a businessman with an understanding of future trends, he sure read this one wrong

The Age of Social Media Is Ending

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/11/twitter-facebook-social-media-decline/672074/

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On 11/10/2022 5:59 PM, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On 11/10/2022 12:59 PM, bfh wrote:

film...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:31:53 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
wrote:

Yeah, I'm enjoying the hell out of the changes at Twitter.

"Elon Musk Loses It Over Twitter Advertiser Exodus, Threatens
‘Thermonuclear Name & Shame’

Ross A. Lincoln Fri, November 4, 2022 at 9:08 PM·2 min read

Elon Musk is apparently freaking out a little over an exodus of
advertisers on Twitter since he took over, because he publicly
threatened them on Friday night.

It started Friday morning, when he whined in an extremely
Trump-like tweet that advertisers were fleeing because of
“activist groups,” which he said was “Extremely
messed
up!” and an attempt “to destroy free speech in
America.” He
also insisted “nothing has changed” since he took over.

Among the many replies to this tweet was Federalist Society
fellow Mike Davis, a lawyer best known for his involvement with
the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. Davis had
some advice for Musk of fairly dubious legal wisdom:

“Name and shame the advertisers who are succumbing to the >>>>> advertiser boycotts. So we can counter-boycott them. And get your
$8 monthly subscription going asap. So we can start to makeup for
lost revenue now,” he said in part.

Musk’s reply: “Thank you. A thermonuclear name & shame is
exactly what will happen if this continues.”

Sure. Because one thing we know for certain, threatening
advertisers with either a retaliatory boycott or some form of
doxxing is a sure-fire way to convince them to give you money.

Musk was, per usual lately, widely mocked on the platform he
owns. We won’t get too bogged down on that, but we would like
to share a couple of the more cogent responses:

Content moderation has, of course, been the primary concern
advertisers have expressed about Twitter now that Musk is in
charge. Advertisers don’t want their ads appearing next to
disinformation or racist/sexist/harassing/etc tweets, something
experts have repeatedly tried to explain to Musk — including
one Musk blocked who had participated in a phone meeting Musk
held with advertisers on the topic the night before.

Setting aside the hyperbole of his original tweet, plenty has
actually changed since he took over. Prior to his buying the
company, he repeatedly indicated he wanted to drastically reduce
how content is moderated on Twitter. Then when he did take over,
there was a sharp and very visible spike in racist and other
forms of bigoted speech. And of course, Musk ended his first
weekend as Twitter’s new owner by sharing a homophobic >>>>> conspiracy theory about the attack on Nancy Pelosi’s >>>>> husband." [snip]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-loses-over-twitter-040836233.html >>>>>

"Twitter Blames Flood of N-Words, Other Racist Slurs Following
Musk’s

Takeover on an Organized ‘Trolling Campaign’

Meanwhile, Musk appeared to violate company's misinformation
policy by tweeting a baseless conspiracy theory (before deleting
the post)"

https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/twitter-n-word-racist-slurs-musk-trolling-campaign-1235417866/



"Papa Elon broke his silence Friday night on the mass layoffs that >>>>> happened earlier in the day at Twitter, claiming he had no choice
but to cut folks loose ... he says the social media service was
losing over $4 million a day."

https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/04/elon-musk-twitter-layoffs-company-losing-four-million-per-day/

TB

I can't help but wonder why somebody smart as Musk is,  would want
to get dogged into something like twitter?   Seems like he'd just >>>> build more vehicles,  rocket ships, high tech gear,  and spend that >>>> extra time chasing women?

Martha Stewart Jr.

I'm not alleging that Twaddle and SpaceX are even remotely
comparable, or that Elon will eventually start smelling less like
skunk musk and more like a rose, but a few years ago, a number of
experts thought it was ridiculous to try to build a booster that
could be reused once - much less over a dozen times - by coming home
to roost tail first. Those experts have since had to reorient and
pivot to a transitory dietary addition.
CawCawCaw!

      Can you name any of these claimed experts? It looks like a lot
of people thought it could be done. Some of them had done it. NASA did
it back in the '60s, under more difficult circumstances. They did it
on the moon.

A lot easier to do at 1/6th Earth gravity and no atmosphere, wouldn't
you think?

And then you have to ask, what were they doing for the next
half-century? If they thought it was such a good idea and fiscally
promising, why didn't Boeing and Lockheed Martin do it decades ago?

If you got no atmosphere that adds to your problems. Wings,
propellers and parachutes won't help you. Not to mention being a long
way from home.

Boeing and Lockheed didn't do it because they didn't have any
financial incentive to spend a bucket full of money on new technology.
They were mostly working on cost plus contracts. This usually doesn't
result in a lot of cost cutting measures. NASA's biggest problem is that
it's controlled by politicians, whose interests are more down to earth.
They're more interested in what's in it for them and their constituents. Compared to the politicians the science is easy.

TB

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On 11/10/2022 5:59 PM, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On 11/10/2022 12:59 PM, bfh wrote:

film...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:31:53 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
wrote:

Yeah, I'm enjoying the hell out of the changes at Twitter.

"Elon Musk Loses It Over Twitter Advertiser Exodus, Threatens
‘Thermonuclear Name & Shame’

Ross A. Lincoln Fri, November 4, 2022 at 9:08 PM·2 min read

Elon Musk is apparently freaking out a little over an exodus of
advertisers on Twitter since he took over, because he publicly
threatened them on Friday night.

It started Friday morning, when he whined in an extremely
Trump-like tweet that advertisers were fleeing because of
“activist groups,” which he said
was “Extremely messed
up!” and an attempt “to destroy
free speech in America.” He
also insisted “nothing has changed”
since he took over.

Among the many replies to this tweet was Federalist Society
fellow Mike Davis, a lawyer best known for his involvement with
the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. Davis had
some advice for Musk of fairly dubious legal wisdom:

“Name and shame the advertisers who are
succumbing to the
advertiser boycotts. So we can counter-boycott them. And get your
$8 monthly subscription going asap. So we can start to makeup for
lost revenue now,” he said in part. >>>>>>
Musk’s reply: “Thank you. A
thermonuclear name & shame is
exactly what will happen if this continues.”

Sure. Because one thing we know for certain, threatening
advertisers with either a retaliatory boycott or some form of
doxxing is a sure-fire way to convince them to give you money.

Musk was, per usual lately, widely mocked on the platform he
owns. We won’t get too bogged down on that, but
we would like
to share a couple of the more cogent responses:

Content moderation has, of course, been the primary concern
advertisers have expressed about Twitter now that Musk is in
charge. Advertisers don’t want their ads
appearing next to
disinformation or racist/sexist/harassing/etc tweets, something
experts have repeatedly tried to explain to Musk
— including
one Musk blocked who had participated in a phone meeting Musk
held with advertisers on the topic the night before.

Setting aside the hyperbole of his original tweet, plenty has
actually changed since he took over. Prior to his buying the
company, he repeatedly indicated he wanted to drastically reduce
how content is moderated on Twitter. Then when he did take over,
there was a sharp and very visible spike in racist and other
forms of bigoted speech. And of course, Musk ended his first
weekend as Twitter’s new owner by sharing a
homophobic
conspiracy theory about the attack on Nancy
Pelosi’s husband." [snip]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-loses-over-twitter-040836233.html >>>>>>

"Twitter Blames Flood of N-Words, Other Racist Slurs Following
Musk’s

Takeover on an Organized ‘Trolling >>>>>> Campaign’

Meanwhile, Musk appeared to violate company's misinformation
policy by tweeting a baseless conspiracy theory (before deleting
the post)"

https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/twitter-n-word-racist-slurs-musk-trolling-campaign-1235417866/

 >> "Papa Elon broke his silence Friday night on the mass layoffs
that

happened earlier in the day at Twitter, claiming he had no choice
but to cut folks loose ... he says the social media service was
losing over $4 million a day."

https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/04/elon-musk-twitter-layoffs-company-losing-four-million-per-day/

TB

I can't help but wonder why somebody smart as Musk is,  would >>>>> want
to get dogged into something like twitter?   Seems like >>>>> he'd just
build more vehicles,  rocket ships, high tech gear,  and >>>>> spend that
extra time chasing women?

Martha Stewart Jr.

I'm not alleging that Twaddle and SpaceX are even remotely
comparable, or that Elon will eventually start smelling less like
skunk musk and more like a rose, but a few years ago, a number of
experts thought it was ridiculous to try to build a booster that
could be reused once - much less over a dozen times - by coming
home to roost tail first. Those experts have since had to reorient
and pivot to a transitory dietary addition.
CawCawCaw!

      Can you name any of these claimed experts? It looks like
a lot of people thought it could be done. Some of them had done it.
NASA did it back in the '60s, under more difficult circumstances.
They did it on the moon.

A lot easier to do at 1/6th Earth gravity and no atmosphere,
wouldn't you think?

And then you have to ask, what were they doing for the next
half-century? If they thought it was such a good idea and fiscally
promising, why didn't Boeing and Lockheed Martin do it decades ago?

     If you got no atmosphere that adds to your problems. Wings, propellers and parachutes won't help you. Not to mention being a long
way from home.

Atmosphere reduces thrust - more fuel weight to do the same job.
Causes drag - more fuel weight to do the same job. Wind makes guidance
and landing more difficult. Too much wind has caused launches to abort.

    Boeing and Lockheed didn't do it because they didn't have any financial incentive to spend a bucket full of money on new technology.
They were mostly working on cost plus contracts. This usually doesn't
result in a lot of cost cutting measures.

I agree with that. Getting comfortable sucking off the government tit
doesn't result in much innovation.

NASA's biggest problem is
that it's controlled by politicians, whose interests are more down to
earth. They're more interested in what's in it for them and their constituents. Compared to the politicians the science is easy.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Even today [Jan 5, 2017], with SpaceX having partially demonstrated
the technology, some of the launch vehicle manufacturers are still not convinced that it would be worthwhile for them to invest their own
resources into their upcoming vehicle designs.

[You think they're convinced yet?]

In an interview about the Ariane 6, Arianespace CEO Stéphane Israel said:

It is a beautiful technological achievement in the context of a
mission in LEO asking little performance from the launcher, freeing
the performance required by recovery. But for the economic equation,
things are still very uncertain. Performance loss on recovery, lower industrial rate, cost of refurbishment of the first stage, difficulty convincing customers to use a used launcher, uncertainties about the reliability: it would be a mistake to consider reuse is the alpha and
omega of disruptive innovation in the field of launchers.

[You think they're still thinking that?]

There may be other ways to innovate, such as micro-launcher I had
discussed this summer after meetings with players in Silicon Valley
who want very cheap launches, less than 10 million, for satellites of
several tens of kilograms. Especially, in the European context, with
markets and accessible rates lower than those offered to American
launchers, the cardinal priority is the road map defined at the last ministerial conference of ESA (European Space Agency): Vega C Ariane
in 2018 and 6 in 2020, as part of a new governance which always aim at
making cost more competitive.
------------------------------------------------


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On 11/10/2022 7:46 PM, m syadoz wrote:

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 10:31:53 PM UTC-5, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yeah, I'm enjoying the hell out of the changes at Twitter.

"Elon Musk Loses It Over Twitter Advertiser Exodus, Threatens
‘Thermonuclear Name & Shame’

Ross A. Lincoln
Fri, November 4, 2022 at 9:08 PM·2 min read

Elon Musk is apparently freaking out a little over an exodus of
advertisers on Twitter since he took over, because he publicly
threatened them on Friday night.

He is not a forward looking business man

Last month, he tweeted a whiny petulant tweet about how other corporations got subsidies but his do not.

He gets plenty of subsidies, but even if he did not, a successful businessman should not need subsidies

For all his self drawn image of a businessman with an understanding of future trends, he sure read this one wrong

The Age of Social Media Is Ending

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/11/twitter-facebook-social-media-decline/672074/

Yep, Musk's companies have aggressively sought and received
billions of dollars in subsidies. Now he's mad because the FCC said "no"
to giving him another billion. He bought Twitter without doing any due diligence or planning for what he would do once he owned it. That was
clearly a very genius move. Now he's paying the price for that. He
thought he could just ride in there with his posse and make it
profitable. He added enough debt to Twitter to make that even more
unlikely than it was before he bought it. Just the interest on that debt
is over a billion dollars a year and he still hasn't figured out where
that money will come from, except out of his hide.

https://futurism.com/elon-musk-starlink-grant-rejection-subsidies

"Opinion: ‘He sold caviar to buy a $2 slice of pizza’ — Why Tesla investors are the biggest losers in Elon Musk’s Twitter deal

Last Updated: Nov. 11, 2022 at 8:27 a.m. ET
First Published: Nov. 9, 2022 at 7:38 p.m. ET
By Therese PolettiFollow

Tesla stock is headed for its worst year on record as its CEO instead
focuses on Twitter and sells Tesla shares to fund his overpriced
acquisition, which will likely require more cash infusions in the future

Twitter users have complained a lot about Elon Musk’s early moves after taking control of the social network, but their complaints seem tiny
compared with what Tesla Inc. investors have had to suffer.

As the U.S. focused on election returns Tuesday evening, Tesla TSLA,
-0.24% Chief Executive Musk tried to slip through disclosure of his long-awaited stock sales, revealing that he had sold nearly $4 billion
of Tesla stock in the previous three trading sessions. Musk did not
publicly address the stock sales nor his intentions to sell more within
24 hours of the disclosure, even while tweeting roughly 20 times in that period.

[MarketWatch asked him on Twitter to address the sales twice, and did
not receive a reply; Tesla disbanded its media-relations department
years ago.]

The sales fueled a further downturn in shares of the electric-vehicle
maker on Wednesday, when the stock fell 7.2% to $177.59, its lowest
closing price since November 2020. Tesla is currently down 49.6% on the
year, which would be far and away the worst year yet for the stock — the previous record annual decline was 2016, when it fell 11%.

The problems for Tesla investors go far beyond Musk selling its stock so
that he could overpay for a company with limited growth prospects and a
host of other problems, but the poor optics certainly start there.

“He sold caviar to buy a $2 slice of pizza,” said Dan Ives, a Wedbush Securities analyst.

Ives was one of several on Wall Street to predict Musk would need to
sell more shares to either close a gap in his financing of the $44
billion deal to buy the social-media company, or provide additional
operating funds. In a telephone conversation Wednesday, he said the
Twitter move is “a nightmare that just won’t end for Tesla investors.”

One reason it isn’t ending is that Musk’s need for cash in relation to Twitter is not done with the recent sales, portending more in the
future. Musk said in a tweet late last week that Twitter had a “massive
drop in revenue” due to activists pressuring advertisers to pull their
ads, and he will have to continue paying the employees he did not lay
off while servicing a debt load that analysts have estimated will cost
him $1 billion a year, much more than Twitter has cleared in profit in
the past two years. Twitter reported a net loss of $221 million in 2021,
and a net loss of $1.13 billion for 2020."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-investors-have-been-the-biggest-losers-in-elon-musks-twitter-deal-and-those-losses-continue-11668040731

Yeah, pure genius. LOL

TB

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On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 10:23:48 AM UTC-6, Technobarbarian wrote:

On 11/10/2022 7:46 PM, m syadoz wrote:

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 10:31:53 PM UTC-5, Technobarbarian wrote:

Yeah, I'm enjoying the hell out of the changes at Twitter.

"Elon Musk Loses It Over Twitter Advertiser Exodus, Threatens
‘Thermonuclear Name & Shame’

Ross A. Lincoln
Fri, November 4, 2022 at 9:08 PM·2 min read

Elon Musk is apparently freaking out a little over an exodus of
advertisers on Twitter since he took over, because he publicly
threatened them on Friday night.

He is not a forward looking business man

Last month, he tweeted a whiny petulant tweet about how other corporations got subsidies but his do not.

He gets plenty of subsidies, but even if he did not, a successful businessman should not need subsidies

For all his self drawn image of a businessman with an understanding of future trends, he sure read this one wrong

The Age of Social Media Is Ending

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/11/twitter-facebook-social-media-decline/672074/

Yep, Musk's companies have aggressively sought and received
billions of dollars in subsidies. Now he's mad because the FCC said "no"
to giving him another billion. He bought Twitter without doing any due diligence or planning for what he would do once he owned it. That was clearly a very genius move. Now he's paying the price for that. He
thought he could just ride in there with his posse and make it
profitable. He added enough debt to Twitter to make that even more
unlikely than it was before he bought it. Just the interest on that debt
is over a billion dollars a year and he still hasn't figured out where
that money will come from, except out of his hide.

https://futurism.com/elon-musk-starlink-grant-rejection-subsidies

"

He is looking at some interesting criticism
Clawback?

Does Elon Musk Deserve the $56B Mega-Bonus Tesla Awarded Him in 2018? One shareholder is convinced that this is not the case and is calling for the cancellation of this extravagant bonus granted to Elon Musk.

https://thepowerofknowledge.xyz/does-elon-musk-deserve-the-56b-mega-bonus-tesla-awarded-him-in-2018-3c5afbd7a8f5

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