• Update and request on trailer search

    From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 3 15:15:47 2022
    Hi all,

    You may remember I've posted here from time to time over the last
    few years. To recap, my wife and I are looking for a Lance 1475
    because it seems to fit our needs quite well. There is a dealer
    in Indidanapolis (just over an hour away) that became a Lance
    distributor a couple of years ago--but due to product woes, they
    haven't been able to get any stock in. As a result, we have yet
    to even be inside one of these (though we've been in a larger
    Lance and really like the workmanship).

    I've come across a new unit at a dealer in Medina, OH. This is
    about a five hour drive for us, but we plan to make the trip so we
    get a chance to see one. That's assuming it doesn't get sold
    before we get over there.

    If we like it, I'm wondering if it would be irresponsible to buy
    it while there? I'm also wondering if it's possible to bring it
    back for inspection by the dealer in Indy. I suppose as a new
    unit, that's probably not important.

    What about future service? I'm not going to take a trailer five
    hours every time some repair or service is needed, can I presume
    it'll be reasonable to use the dealer in Indy? Maybe even a more
    local dealer (that doesn't carry Lance products)?

    FInally, what should I be looking for regarding storage? We'll
    need to rent something, what type of place should I be looking for
    and what's a reasonable cost?

    Thanks for any advice from more seasoned folks!

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Thu Nov 3 09:05:54 2022
    On 11/3/2022 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Hi all,

    You may remember I've posted here from time to time over the last
    few years. To recap, my wife and I are looking for a Lance 1475
    because it seems to fit our needs quite well. There is a dealer
    in Indidanapolis (just over an hour away) that became a Lance
    distributor a couple of years ago--but due to product woes, they
    haven't been able to get any stock in. As a result, we have yet
    to even be inside one of these (though we've been in a larger
    Lance and really like the workmanship).

    I've come across a new unit at a dealer in Medina, OH. This is
    about a five hour drive for us, but we plan to make the trip so we
    get a chance to see one. That's assuming it doesn't get sold
    before we get over there.

    If we like it, I'm wondering if it would be irresponsible to buy
    it while there? I'm also wondering if it's possible to bring it
    back for inspection by the dealer in Indy. I suppose as a new
    unit, that's probably not important.

    What about future service? I'm not going to take a trailer five
    hours every time some repair or service is needed, can I presume
    it'll be reasonable to use the dealer in Indy? Maybe even a more
    local dealer (that doesn't carry Lance products)?

    FInally, what should I be looking for regarding storage? We'll
    need to rent something, what type of place should I be looking for
    and what's a reasonable cost?

    Thanks for any advice from more seasoned folks!


    You should go in and talk to the local dealer about your warranty
    issues face to face. That way you are most likely to get a straight
    answer. Sometimes manufactures require that all of their dealers provide warranty service for their products. This is sometimes an issue between
    dealers and the company because it doesn't pay well. This often results
    in a long wait for warranty service.

    It's unlikely that you will be able to get warranty service from
    dealers who don't carry their brand. Warranty service doesn't pay well
    in the first place and the manufacturer isn't likely to pay someone they
    don't have an established relationship with.

    For inexperienced owners it really best if you have your rig
    inspected by a technician you trust *before* you buy the thing. You are
    in a much better bargaining position before you sign the contract than
    you will be after. New RVs frequently have problems that have been
    overlooked.

    TB

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Thu Nov 3 09:25:26 2022
    On 11/3/2022 9:05 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 11/3/2022 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Hi all,

    You may remember I've posted here from time to time over the last
    few years.  To recap, my wife and I are looking for a Lance 1475
    because it seems to fit our needs quite well.  There is a dealer
    in Indidanapolis (just over an hour away) that became a Lance
    distributor a couple of years ago--but due to product woes, they
    haven't been able to get any stock in.  As a result, we have yet
    to even be inside one of these (though we've been in a larger
    Lance and really like the workmanship).

    I've come across a new unit at a dealer in Medina, OH.  This is
    about a five hour drive for us, but we plan to make the trip so we
    get a chance to see one.  That's assuming it doesn't get sold
    before we get over there.

    If we like it, I'm wondering if it would be irresponsible to buy
    it while there?  I'm also wondering if it's possible to bring it
    back for inspection by the dealer in Indy.  I suppose as a new
    unit, that's probably not important.

    What about future service?  I'm not going to take a trailer five
    hours every time some repair or service is needed, can I presume
    it'll be reasonable to use the dealer in Indy?  Maybe even a more
    local dealer (that doesn't carry Lance products)?

    FInally, what should I be looking for regarding storage?  We'll
    need to rent something, what type of place should I be looking for
    and what's a reasonable cost?

    Thanks for any advice from more seasoned folks!


         You should go in and talk to the local dealer about your warranty issues face to face. That way you are most likely to get a straight
    answer. Sometimes manufactures require that all of their dealers provide warranty service for their products. This is sometimes an issue between dealers and the company because it doesn't pay well. This often results
    in a long wait for warranty service.

         It's unlikely that you will be able to get warranty service from dealers who don't carry their brand. Warranty service doesn't pay well
    in the first place and the manufacturer isn't likely to pay someone they don't have an established relationship with.

        For inexperienced owners it really best if you have your rig inspected by a technician you trust *before* you buy the thing. You are
    in a much better bargaining position before you sign the contract than
    you will be after. New RVs frequently have problems that have been overlooked.

    TB

    Something I should have added. All of your major appliances will
    have their own warranty network. At one point I figured I was repairing
    more propane appliances than anyone else between Portland and San
    Francisco. One of the reasons for that was that the propane company I
    worked for had warranty contracts will all the major propane appliance companies. They did it because it brought in business. By the time they
    paid the bills they were making little or nothing on the warranty
    service. The real money was in selling propane in bulk.

    Anyhow, by looking at the service centers for your appliances you
    can often get warranty service at other dealers that way.

    TB

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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Sat Nov 5 12:50:47 2022
    On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 09:25:26 -0700,
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 11/3/2022 9:05 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 11/3/2022 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:

    If we like it, I'm wondering if it would be irresponsible to
    buy it while there?? I'm also wondering if it's possible to
    bring it back for inspection by the dealer in Indy.? I
    suppose as a new unit, that's probably not important.

    What about future service?? I'm not going to take a trailer
    five hours every time some repair or service is needed, can I
    presume it'll be reasonable to use the dealer in Indy?? Maybe
    even a more local dealer (that doesn't carry Lance products)?

    FInally, what should I be looking for regarding storage??
    We'll need to rent something, what type of place should I be
    looking for and what's a reasonable cost?

    Thanks for any advice from more seasoned folks!

    ???? You should go in and talk to the local dealer about your
    warranty issues face to face. That way you are most likely to
    get a straight answer. Sometimes manufactures require that all
    of their dealers provide warranty service for their products.
    This is sometimes an issue between dealers and the company
    because it doesn't pay well. This often results in a long wait
    for warranty service.

    ???? It's unlikely that you will be able to get warranty
    service from dealers who don't carry their brand. Warranty
    service doesn't pay well in the first place and the
    manufacturer isn't likely to pay someone they don't have an
    established relationship with.

    ??? For inexperienced owners it really best if you have your
    rig inspected by a technician you trust *before* you buy the
    thing. You are in a much better bargaining position before you
    sign the contract than you will be after. New RVs frequently
    have problems that have been overlooked.

    Something I should have added. All of your major
    appliances will have their own warranty network. At one point I
    figured I was repairing more propane appliances than anyone
    else between Portland and San Francisco. One of the reasons for
    that was that the propane company I worked for had warranty
    contracts will all the major propane appliance companies. They
    did it because it brought in business. By the time they paid
    the bills they were making little or nothing on the warranty
    service. The real money was in selling propane in bulk.

    Anyhow, by looking at the service centers for your
    appliances you can often get warranty service at other dealers
    that way.

    Thanks, TB. We don't have any warranty issues, but I think I get
    the general point. The rest all makes sense, though I don't know
    any technicians so none trusted.

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Sat Nov 5 09:43:06 2022
    On 11/5/2022 5:50 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 09:25:26 -0700,
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 11/3/2022 9:05 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 11/3/2022 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:

    If we like it, I'm wondering if it would be irresponsible to
    buy it while there?? I'm also wondering if it's possible to
    bring it back for inspection by the dealer in Indy.? I
    suppose as a new unit, that's probably not important.

    What about future service?? I'm not going to take a trailer
    five hours every time some repair or service is needed, can I
    presume it'll be reasonable to use the dealer in Indy?? Maybe
    even a more local dealer (that doesn't carry Lance products)?

    FInally, what should I be looking for regarding storage??
    We'll need to rent something, what type of place should I be
    looking for and what's a reasonable cost?

    Thanks for any advice from more seasoned folks!

    ???? You should go in and talk to the local dealer about your
    warranty issues face to face. That way you are most likely to
    get a straight answer. Sometimes manufactures require that all
    of their dealers provide warranty service for their products.
    This is sometimes an issue between dealers and the company
    because it doesn't pay well. This often results in a long wait
    for warranty service.

    ???? It's unlikely that you will be able to get warranty
    service from dealers who don't carry their brand. Warranty
    service doesn't pay well in the first place and the
    manufacturer isn't likely to pay someone they don't have an
    established relationship with.

    ??? For inexperienced owners it really best if you have your
    rig inspected by a technician you trust *before* you buy the
    thing. You are in a much better bargaining position before you
    sign the contract than you will be after. New RVs frequently
    have problems that have been overlooked.

    Something I should have added. All of your major
    appliances will have their own warranty network. At one point I
    figured I was repairing more propane appliances than anyone
    else between Portland and San Francisco. One of the reasons for
    that was that the propane company I worked for had warranty
    contracts will all the major propane appliance companies. They
    did it because it brought in business. By the time they paid
    the bills they were making little or nothing on the warranty
    service. The real money was in selling propane in bulk.

    Anyhow, by looking at the service centers for your
    appliances you can often get warranty service at other dealers
    that way.

    Thanks, TB. We don't have any warranty issues, but I think I get
    the general point. The rest all makes sense, though I don't know
    any technicians so none trusted.


    In that case I would look for someone who doesn't have a financial interest in your transaction. You might try looking at the shops that do
    the warranty work for your appliances. The companies who make those
    appliances monitor their warranty network and try to make sure that
    they're getting what they're paying for.

    Just about any major shop will try to do a competent inspection
    for you because they don't want you coming back and suing them over what
    was a very minor transaction for them, if they miss something obvious.

    One of the things you should be prepared for is that some problems
    don't show up until after you start using the thing. For example, I had
    more than one furnace come in for warranty work because some idiot at
    the factory had run the electrical wires under the furnace. After it has
    been on the road for awhile the furnace can start shorting those wires.
    That wasn't covered under the appliance warranty and those customers had
    to go back to the dealer to be reimbursed for the work we had done.

    TB

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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Sat Nov 5 19:10:07 2022
    On Sat, 5 Nov 2022 09:43:06 -0700,
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 11/5/2022 5:50 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 09:25:26 -0700,
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 11/3/2022 9:05 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 11/3/2022 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:

    Thanks, TB. We don't have any warranty issues, but I think I
    get the general point. The rest all makes sense, though I
    don't know any technicians so none trusted.

    In that case I would look for someone who doesn't have a
    financial interest in your transaction. You might try looking
    at the shops that do the warranty work for your appliances. The
    companies who make those appliances monitor their warranty
    network and try to make sure that they're getting what they're
    paying for.

    Just about any major shop will try to do a competent
    inspection for you because they don't want you coming back and
    suing them over what was a very minor transaction for them, if
    they miss something obvious.

    One of the things you should be prepared for is that some
    problems don't show up until after you start using the thing.
    For example, I had more than one furnace come in for warranty
    work because some idiot at the factory had run the electrical
    wires under the furnace. After it has been on the road for
    awhile the furnace can start shorting those wires. That wasn't
    covered under the appliance warranty and those customers had to
    go back to the dealer to be reimbursed for the work we had
    done.

    Thanks for the additional suggestions.

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Sat Nov 5 13:33:41 2022
    On 11/5/2022 9:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 11/5/2022 5:50 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 09:25:26 -0700,
       Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
      On 11/3/2022 9:05 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 11/3/2022 8:15 AM, Ted Heise wrote:

    If we like it, I'm wondering if it would be irresponsible to
    buy it while there?? I'm also wondering if it's possible to
    bring it back for inspection by the dealer in Indy.? I
    suppose as a new unit, that's probably not important.

    What about future service?? I'm not going to take a trailer
    five hours every time some repair or service is needed, can I
    presume it'll be reasonable to use the dealer in Indy?? Maybe
    even a more local dealer (that doesn't carry Lance products)?

    FInally, what should I be looking for regarding storage??
    We'll need to rent something, what type of place should I be
    looking for and what's a reasonable cost?

    Thanks for any advice from more seasoned folks!

      ???? You should go in and talk to the local dealer about your
    warranty issues face to face. That way you are most likely to
    get a straight answer. Sometimes manufactures require that all
    of their dealers provide warranty service for their products.
    This is sometimes an issue between dealers and the company
    because it doesn't pay well. This often results in a long wait
    for warranty service.

      ???? It's unlikely that you will be able to get warranty
    service from dealers who don't carry their brand. Warranty
    service doesn't pay well in the first place and the
    manufacturer isn't likely to pay someone they don't have an
    established relationship with.

      ??? For inexperienced owners it really best if you have your
    rig inspected by a technician you trust *before* you buy the
    thing. You are in a much better bargaining position before you
    sign the contract than you will be after. New RVs frequently
    have problems that have been overlooked.

            Something I should have added. All of your major
      appliances will have their own warranty network. At one point I
      figured I was repairing more propane appliances than anyone
      else between Portland and San Francisco. One of the reasons for
      that was that the propane company I worked for had warranty
      contracts will all the major propane appliance companies. They
      did it because it brought in business. By the time they paid
      the bills they were making little or nothing on the warranty
      service. The real money was in selling propane in bulk.

           Anyhow, by looking at the service centers for your
      appliances you can often get warranty service at other dealers
      that way.

    Thanks, TB.  We don't have any warranty issues, but I think I get
    the general point.  The rest all makes sense, though I don't know
    any technicians so none trusted.


         In that case I would look for someone who doesn't have a financial interest in your transaction. You might try looking at the shops that do
    the warranty work for your appliances. The companies who make those appliances monitor their warranty network and try to make sure that
    they're getting what they're paying for.

         Just about any major shop will try to do a competent inspection
    for you because they don't want you coming back and suing them over what
    was a very minor transaction for them, if they miss something obvious.

         One of the things you should be prepared for is that some problems don't show up until after you start using the thing. For example, I had
    more than one furnace come in for warranty work because some idiot at
    the factory had run the electrical wires under the furnace. After it has
    been on the road for awhile the furnace can start shorting those wires.
    That wasn't covered under the appliance warranty and those customers had
    to go back to the dealer to be reimbursed for the work we had done.

    TB

    This conversation reminded me of some of my other experiences in
    the business. I've mentioned the propane plant more than once. I rarely
    talk about the RV dealer I worked for, and I don't think I've ever
    mentioned the shop I worked for in Tucson, even though I was posting
    here at that time. I walked into and out of those places under my own
    power, so it wasn't all bad. I learned a lot about RVs and business in
    general from those experiences.

    Talking about new RVs reminded me of something I saw when I was
    working for a small dealership. They had a guy who had a lot of
    experience with body work, and me. We were the technicians. So I was
    doing all the inspections. You have to inspect all of the trade-ins and
    all of the new rigs at sometime before they go out the door. Either way
    you are probably going to find problems. I'm reminded of the day I
    accidentally found a problem on a new rig everyone should have seen.

    At some point you have to fire up the furnace and see what
    happens. We had the door open because we were working in and out of the
    thing. I didn't find the problem until I scorched the door. They had
    built the thing so that when you latched the door open the furnace vent
    was blowing directly onto the middle of the door. Eventually a lady from
    the factory showed up to take a look at the thing for herself.

    So what can you do? They weren't going to rebuild the thing. We
    repainted the door and they sold it substantially marked down. I think
    they did something to keep the next guy from making the same mistake,
    but I don't remember what it was. The boss would have preferred that I
    wasn't quite so good at finding problems. lqtm

    TB

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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Mon Nov 7 17:47:27 2022
    On Sat, 5 Nov 2022 13:33:41 -0700,
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:

    At some point you have to fire up the furnace and see
    what happens. We had the door open because we were working in
    and out of the thing. I didn't find the problem until I
    scorched the door. They had built the thing so that when you
    latched the door open the furnace vent was blowing directly
    onto the middle of the door. Eventually a lady from the factory
    showed up to take a look at the thing for herself.

    Reminds me of the time my dad hauled my expensive bicycle on a
    cheap trunk rack on the back of his car. We arrived to his place
    to find one of the tires melted off the rim. It had been hanging
    directly in front of the tail pipe. Doh!

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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