• Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control regulations

    From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 4 09:19:35 2022
    Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control regulations: The Oregonian/OregonLive poll

    Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.

    By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive
    Oregonians appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun regulations
    in the country, according to a new poll commissioned by The Oregonian/OregonLive.

    A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%, said they would
    vote this November for Measure 114, which would require a background
    check, safety training and a permit to acquire a firearm. If approved,
    the measure also would require that police maintain a firearms database
    and would outlaw ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html

    They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education,
    residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's more support
    for this in the Portland metropolitan area than there is in the rest of
    the state. There are also more people in the Portland metropolitan area
    than the rest of the state.

    This is potentially good news for our Democratic candidate for
    governor. The polls show her running neck and neck with our, more or
    less traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine gun Betsy" is running a distant third. Seriously, she does own one and she used to be proud of
    the name and her perfect score with the NRA. She's essentially running
    as a pro-choice Republican. She's doing what her sponsors wanted her to
    do. She's drawing off enough support to give the Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust anyone who claims they can solve all our
    problems and that they are the only one who can fix any of them. Both of
    the Republicans are making this claim. According to their ads they're
    running against our, unpopular with just about everyone, outgoing
    governor, which would be a good trick if they can manage it.

    TB

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Tue Oct 4 12:33:13 2022
    Technobarbarian wrote:

    Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control regulations:
    The Oregonian/OregonLive poll

    Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.

    By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive
    Oregonians appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
    regulations in the country, according to a new poll commissioned by
    The Oregonian/OregonLive.

    A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%, said they would
    vote this November for Measure 114, which would require a background
    check, safety training and a permit to acquire a firearm. If approved,
    the measure also would require that police maintain a firearms
    database and would outlaw ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html


        They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education,
    residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's more support
    for this in the Portland metropolitan area than there is in the rest
    of the state. There are also more people in the Portland metropolitan
    area than the rest of the state.

         This is potentially good news for our Democratic candidate for governor. The polls show her running neck and neck with our, more or
    less traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine gun Betsy" is running
    a distant third. Seriously, she does own one and she used to be proud
    of the name and her perfect score with the NRA. She's essentially
    running as a pro-choice Republican. She's doing what her sponsors
    wanted her to do. She's drawing off enough support to give the
    Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust anyone who claims they
    can solve all our problems and that they are the only one who can fix
    any of them. Both of the Republicans are making this claim. According
    to their ads they're running against our, unpopular with just about everyone, outgoing governor, which would be a good trick if they can
    manage it.

    TB

    What do you personally think of 114?


    --
    bill
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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Tue Oct 4 15:58:15 2022
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 9:33 AM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:

    Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control regulations:
    The Oregonian/OregonLive poll

    Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.

    By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive
    Oregonians appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
    regulations in the country, according to a new poll commissioned by
    The Oregonian/OregonLive.

    A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%, said they
    would vote this November for Measure 114, which would require a
    background check, safety training and a permit to acquire a
    firearm. If approved, the measure also would require that police
    maintain a firearms database and would outlaw ammunition magazines
    that hold more than 10 rounds.
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html


         They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education, >>> residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's more
    support for this in the Portland metropolitan area than there is in
    the rest of the state. There are also more people in the Portland
    metropolitan area than the rest of the state.

          This is potentially good news for our Democratic
    candidate for governor. The polls show her running neck and neck
    with our, more or less traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine
    gun Betsy" is running a distant third. Seriously, she does own one
    and she used to be proud of the name and her perfect score with the
    NRA. She's essentially running as a pro-choice Republican. She's
    doing what her sponsors wanted her to do. She's drawing off enough
    support to give the Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust
    anyone who claims they can solve all our problems and that they are
    the only one who can fix any of them. Both of the Republicans are
    making this claim. According to their ads they're running against
    our, unpopular with just about everyone, outgoing governor, which
    would be a good trick if they can manage it.

    TB

    What do you personally think of 114?



          To give you some idea of what people in Portland regularly see in the news. There were only 2 fatal stabbings downtown on Friday. The
    second article refers to this first stabbing. "Old town" is the
    eastern half of downtown. Portland's traditional homeless shelters
    have been located there for as long as anyone here can remember.

    "Man fatally stabbed on Old Town street corner; suspect ‘swarmed’
    by Portland police nearby
    Updated: Oct. 03, 2022, 12:15 p.m.|Published: Sep. 30, 2022, 1:52 p.m.

    By Zane Sparling | The Oregonian/OregonLive

    A man was killed in a stabbing Friday on a street corner in Old Town
    after several men started arguing, Portland police and witnesses said.

    Officers arrived at West Burnside and Northwest Third Avenue about
    11:30 a.m. and learned one man had died and another man had fled
    moments earlier, said police spokesperson Sgt. Kevin Allen.

    The sergeant dispatching the call hailed for all available patrol
    cars, Allen said. Dispatch records showed 15 units on scene.

    “Officers began a very quick investigation,” he said. “They were
    able to catch up with a suspect a couple of blocks to the north. … Detectives are not currently looking for any other suspects.”
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/09/person-killed-in-stabbing-in-portlands-old-town-suspect-arrested-nearby.html


    "Two people stabbed to death in Old Town on Friday
    Jim Redden October 01 2022
    UPDATE: Police are also investigating a Sept. 30 shooting in Southeast

    Police are investigating two fatal stabbing in Old Town in nine hours
    on Friday.

    A Friday shooting that left a man in critical condition in Southeast Portland is also under investigation.

    In the most recent stabbing, the Portland Police Bureau said officers responded to Northwest Broadway and Northwest Couch Street just after
    8:30 p.m. on Sept. 30. There they found an injured victim who was
    declared dead by arriving paramedics.

    Police announced Saturday morning that Kalil C. Ford, 20, was arrested
    and charged with murder in the second degree and unlawful use of a
    weapon.

    According to the police, this was the 71st homicide case for Portland
    in 2022.

    Before that, 11:28 a.m. on Friday, Central Precinct officers responded
    to a report of a stabbing at West Burnside Street and Northwest Third Avenue. When officers arrived, they located an injured victim.
    Paramedics determined the person was dead.
    [snip]

    https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/559343-447709-two-people-stabbed-to-death-in-old-town-on-friday


          We already have a "red flag" law. Like most gun control
    measures I wouldn't expect this one to do much to staunch the flow of
    blood. This one creates a lot of paperwork and treats gun buyers like criminals.

          My brother and I took a required hunter safety course when we were kids. I don't think we were helped or harmed by it. My experience
    is that gun safety instructors, as a group, are the most dangerous gun
    owners around. Ours demonstrated pulling the bullet out of a 22 shell
    and firing it by heating the primer in the classroom. Safety
    instructors are followed closely by the clowns who do a lot of
    preaching about gun safety without actually practicing what they
    preach. When I lived in Eugene a bunch of sheriff's deputies went out
    on a hunting trip with one of their dispatchers. She didn't come back because she ended up getting shot in the head. Those are the people
    who will be issuing the permits.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)


    "require permits issued by local law enforcement to buy a firearm;
    require photo ID, fingerprints, safety training, criminal background
    check, and fee payment to apply for a permit; and
    prohibit manufacturing, importing, purchasing, selling, possessing,
    using, or transferring ammunition magazines capable of holding more
    than 10 rounds and make violations a class A misdemeanor."

    I'll vote against it.

    TB

    Would it be safe for me assume that all those words mean, "We've still
    got dumbasses running the show out here."?

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to bfh on Tue Oct 4 13:27:43 2022
    On 10/4/2022 12:58 PM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 9:33 AM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:

    Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control regulations:
    The Oregonian/OregonLive poll

    Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.

    By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive
    Oregonians appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
    regulations in the country, according to a new poll commissioned by
    The Oregonian/OregonLive.

    A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%, said they
    would vote this November for Measure 114, which would require a
    background check, safety training and a permit to acquire a firearm.
    If approved, the measure also would require that police maintain a
    firearms database and would outlaw ammunition magazines that hold
    more than 10 rounds.
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html

         They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education, >>>> residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's more
    support for this in the Portland metropolitan area than there is in
    the rest of the state. There are also more people in the Portland
    metropolitan area than the rest of the state.

          This is potentially good news for our Democratic
    candidate for governor. The polls show her running neck and neck
    with our, more or less traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine
    gun Betsy" is running a distant third. Seriously, she does own one
    and she used to be proud of the name and her perfect score with the
    NRA. She's essentially running as a pro-choice Republican. She's
    doing what her sponsors wanted her to do. She's drawing off enough
    support to give the Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust
    anyone who claims they can solve all our problems and that they are
    the only one who can fix any of them. Both of the Republicans are
    making this claim. According to their ads they're running against
    our, unpopular with just about everyone, outgoing governor, which
    would be a good trick if they can manage it.

    TB

    What do you personally think of 114?



           To give you some idea of what people in Portland regularly see >> in the news. There were only 2 fatal stabbings downtown on Friday. The
    second article refers to this first stabbing. "Old town" is the
    eastern half of downtown. Portland's traditional homeless shelters
    have been located there for as long as anyone here can remember.

    "Man fatally stabbed on Old Town street corner; suspect ‘swarmed’
    by Portland police nearby
    Updated: Oct. 03, 2022, 12:15 p.m.|Published: Sep. 30, 2022, 1:52 p.m.

    By Zane Sparling | The Oregonian/OregonLive

    A man was killed in a stabbing Friday on a street corner in Old Town
    after several men started arguing, Portland police and witnesses said.

    Officers arrived at West Burnside and Northwest Third Avenue about
    11:30 a.m. and learned one man had died and another man had fled
    moments earlier, said police spokesperson Sgt. Kevin Allen.

    The sergeant dispatching the call hailed for all available patrol
    cars, Allen said. Dispatch records showed 15 units on scene.

    “Officers began a very quick investigation,” he said. “They were
    able to catch up with a suspect a couple of blocks to the north. …
    Detectives are not currently looking for any other suspects.”
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/09/person-killed-in-stabbing-in-portlands-old-town-suspect-arrested-nearby.html

    "Two people stabbed to death in Old Town on Friday
    Jim Redden October 01 2022
    UPDATE: Police are also investigating a Sept. 30 shooting in Southeast

    Police are investigating two fatal stabbing in Old Town in nine hours
    on Friday.

    A Friday shooting that left a man in critical condition in Southeast
    Portland is also under investigation.

    In the most recent stabbing, the Portland Police Bureau said officers
    responded to Northwest Broadway and Northwest Couch Street just after
    8:30 p.m. on Sept. 30. There they found an injured victim who was
    declared dead by arriving paramedics.

    Police announced Saturday morning that Kalil C. Ford, 20, was arrested
    and charged with murder in the second degree and unlawful use of a
    weapon.

    According to the police, this was the 71st homicide case for Portland
    in 2022.

    Before that, 11:28 a.m. on Friday, Central Precinct officers responded
    to a report of a stabbing at West Burnside Street and Northwest Third
    Avenue. When officers arrived, they located an injured victim.
    Paramedics determined the person was dead.
    [snip]

    https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/559343-447709-two-people-stabbed-to-death-in-old-town-on-friday

           We already have a "red flag" law. Like most gun control
    measures I wouldn't expect this one to do much to staunch the flow of
    blood. This one creates a lot of paperwork and treats gun buyers like
    criminals.

           My brother and I took a required hunter safety course when we >> were kids. I don't think we were helped or harmed by it. My experience
    is that gun safety instructors, as a group, are the most dangerous gun
    owners around. Ours demonstrated pulling the bullet out of a 22 shell
    and firing it by heating the primer in the classroom. Safety
    instructors are followed closely by the clowns who do a lot of
    preaching about gun safety without actually practicing what they
    preach. When I lived in Eugene a bunch of sheriff's deputies went out
    on a hunting trip with one of their dispatchers. She didn't come back
    because she ended up getting shot in the head. Those are the people
    who will be issuing the permits.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)

    "require permits issued by local law enforcement to buy a firearm;
    require photo ID, fingerprints, safety training, criminal background
    check, and fee payment to apply for a permit; and
    prohibit manufacturing, importing, purchasing, selling, possessing,
    using, or transferring ammunition magazines capable of holding more
    than 10 rounds and make violations a class A misdemeanor."

    I'll vote against it.

    TB

    Would it be safe for me assume that all those words mean, "We've still
    got dumbasses running the show out here."?


    You name it. All we have is dumbasses running the show wherever
    you are. Your neck of the woods is a prime example. I think smart people
    avoid that bullshit because no matter how smart you are, you'll end up
    looking like a dumbass.

    TB

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  • From filmbydon@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Tue Oct 4 18:56:13 2022
    On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 1:27:50 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 12:58 PM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 9:33 AM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:

    Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control regulations: >>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive poll

    Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.

    By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive
    Oregonians appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
    regulations in the country, according to a new poll commissioned by >>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive.

    A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%, said they
    would vote this November for Measure 114, which would require a
    background check, safety training and a permit to acquire a firearm. >>>> If approved, the measure also would require that police maintain a
    firearms database and would outlaw ammunition magazines that hold
    more than 10 rounds.
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html

    Â Â Â Â They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education, >>>> residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's more
    support for this in the Portland metropolitan area than there is in >>>> the rest of the state. There are also more people in the Portland
    metropolitan area than the rest of the state.

    Â Â Â Â Â This is potentially good news for our Democratic
    candidate for governor. The polls show her running neck and neck
    with our, more or less traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine
    gun Betsy" is running a distant third. Seriously, she does own one
    and she used to be proud of the name and her perfect score with the >>>> NRA. She's essentially running as a pro-choice Republican. She's
    doing what her sponsors wanted her to do. She's drawing off enough
    support to give the Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust
    anyone who claims they can solve all our problems and that they are >>>> the only one who can fix any of them. Both of the Republicans are
    making this claim. According to their ads they're running against
    our, unpopular with just about everyone, outgoing governor, which
    would be a good trick if they can manage it.

    TB

    What do you personally think of 114?



    To give you some idea of what people in Portland regularly see
    in the news. There were only 2 fatal stabbings downtown on Friday. The
    second article refers to this first stabbing. "Old town" is the
    eastern half of downtown. Portland's traditional homeless shelters
    have been located there for as long as anyone here can remember.

    "Man fatally stabbed on Old Town street corner; suspect ‘swarmed’
    by Portland police nearby
    Updated: Oct. 03, 2022, 12:15 p.m.|Published: Sep. 30, 2022, 1:52 p.m.

    By Zane Sparling | The Oregonian/OregonLive

    A man was killed in a stabbing Friday on a street corner in Old Town
    after several men started arguing, Portland police and witnesses said.

    Officers arrived at West Burnside and Northwest Third Avenue about
    11:30 a.m. and learned one man had died and another man had fled
    moments earlier, said police spokesperson Sgt. Kevin Allen.

    The sergeant dispatching the call hailed for all available patrol
    cars, Allen said. Dispatch records showed 15 units on scene.

    “Officers began a very quick investigation,†he said. “They were
    able to catch up with a suspect a couple of blocks to the north. … >> Detectives are not currently looking for any other suspects.â€
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/09/person-killed-in-stabbing-in-portlands-old-town-suspect-arrested-nearby.html

    "Two people stabbed to death in Old Town on Friday
    Jim Redden October 01 2022
    UPDATE: Police are also investigating a Sept. 30 shooting in Southeast

    Police are investigating two fatal stabbing in Old Town in nine hours
    on Friday.

    A Friday shooting that left a man in critical condition in Southeast
    Portland is also under investigation.

    In the most recent stabbing, the Portland Police Bureau said officers
    responded to Northwest Broadway and Northwest Couch Street just after
    8:30 p.m. on Sept. 30. There they found an injured victim who was
    declared dead by arriving paramedics.

    Police announced Saturday morning that Kalil C. Ford, 20, was arrested
    and charged with murder in the second degree and unlawful use of a
    weapon.

    According to the police, this was the 71st homicide case for Portland
    in 2022.

    Before that, 11:28 a.m. on Friday, Central Precinct officers responded
    to a report of a stabbing at West Burnside Street and Northwest Third
    Avenue. When officers arrived, they located an injured victim.
    Paramedics determined the person was dead.
    [snip]

    https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/559343-447709-two-people-stabbed-to-death-in-old-town-on-friday

    We already have a "red flag" law. Like most gun control
    measures I wouldn't expect this one to do much to staunch the flow of
    blood. This one creates a lot of paperwork and treats gun buyers like
    criminals.

    My brother and I took a required hunter safety course when we
    were kids. I don't think we were helped or harmed by it. My experience
    is that gun safety instructors, as a group, are the most dangerous gun
    owners around. Ours demonstrated pulling the bullet out of a 22 shell
    and firing it by heating the primer in the classroom. Safety
    instructors are followed closely by the clowns who do a lot of
    preaching about gun safety without actually practicing what they
    preach. When I lived in Eugene a bunch of sheriff's deputies went out
    on a hunting trip with one of their dispatchers. She didn't come back
    because she ended up getting shot in the head. Those are the people
    who will be issuing the permits.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)

    "require permits issued by local law enforcement to buy a firearm;
    require photo ID, fingerprints, safety training, criminal background
    check, and fee payment to apply for a permit; and
    prohibit manufacturing, importing, purchasing, selling, possessing,
    using, or transferring ammunition magazines capable of holding more
    than 10 rounds and make violations a class A misdemeanor."

    I'll vote against it.

    TB

    Would it be safe for me assume that all those words mean, "We've still
    got dumbasses running the show out here."?

    You name it. All we have is dumbasses running the show wherever
    you are. Your neck of the woods is a prime example. I think smart people avoid that bullshit because no matter how smart you are, you'll end up looking like a dumbass.

    TB

    Wise words, for someone who enjoys being an iconoclast... I was a drop out on my hunter safety class, and waited a few months until I was 16, when the class wasn't required for us big boys....

    Last Sat. the San Luis PD had a gun buy back program. They were giving out $200, $100, and $50, grocery coupons ... By the time I got there at noon, the coupons were gone... They had collected 209 guns, including six assault rifles (?), several dozen
    pistols, etc... It was a dumbass form of Commiefornia "Gun Control", that should be no problem for pistol packin' bill.... BTW, I was there to "render my sword into plowshares", expecting the get a $100 coupon, for my Jennings .22, "Saturday Night
    Special", but they ran out of coupons, before I could diddle the City of SLO, with my gun trading shrewdness! HawHawHaw!

    Elmer Keith Jr.

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to film...@gmail.com on Tue Oct 4 22:26:14 2022
    film...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 1:27:50 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
    wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 12:58 PM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 9:33 AM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:

    Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control
    regulations: The Oregonian/OregonLive poll

    Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.

    By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive Oregonians
    appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
    regulations in the country, according to a new poll
    commissioned by The Oregonian/OregonLive.

    A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%,
    said they would vote this November for Measure 114, which
    would require a background check, safety training and a
    permit to acquire a firearm. If approved, the measure
    also would require that police maintain a firearms
    database and would outlaw ammunition magazines that hold
    more than 10 rounds. [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html



    Â Â Â Â They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education,
    residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's
    more support for this in the Portland metropolitan area
    than there is in the rest of the state. There are also
    more people in the Portland metropolitan area than the
    rest of the state.

    Â Â Â Â Â This is potentially good news for our >>>>>> Democratic candidate for governor. The polls show her
    running neck and neck with our, more or less traditional,
    Republican candidate. "Machine gun Betsy" is running a
    distant third. Seriously, she does own one and she used
    to be proud of the name and her perfect score with the
    NRA. She's essentially running as a pro-choice
    Republican. She's doing what her sponsors wanted her to
    do. She's drawing off enough support to give the
    Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust anyone who
    claims they can solve all our problems and that they are
    the only one who can fix any of them. Both of the
    Republicans are making this claim. According to their ads
    they're running against our, unpopular with just about
    everyone, outgoing governor, which would be a good trick
    if they can manage it.

    TB

    What do you personally think of 114?



    To give you some idea of what people in Portland regularly
    see in the news. There were only 2 fatal stabbings downtown
    on Friday. The second article refers to this first stabbing.
    "Old town" is the eastern half of downtown. Portland's
    traditional homeless shelters have been located there for as
    long as anyone here can remember.

    "Man fatally stabbed on Old Town street corner; suspect
    ‘swarmed’ by Portland police nearby Updated:
    Oct. 03, 2022, 12:15 p.m.|Published: Sep. 30, 2022, 1:52
    p.m.

    By Zane Sparling | The Oregonian/OregonLive

    A man was killed in a stabbing Friday on a street corner in
    Old Town after several men started arguing, Portland police
    and witnesses said.

    Officers arrived at West Burnside and Northwest Third Avenue
    about 11:30 a.m. and learned one man had died and another man
    had fled moments earlier, said police spokesperson Sgt. Kevin
    Allen.

    The sergeant dispatching the call hailed for all available
    patrol cars, Allen said. Dispatch records showed 15 units on
    scene.

    “Officers began a very quick investigation,†he >>>> said. “They were able to catch up with a suspect a
    couple of blocks to the north. … Detectives are not
    currently looking for any other suspects.†[snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/09/person-killed-in-stabbing-in-portlands-old-town-suspect-arrested-nearby.html



    "Two people stabbed to death in Old Town on Friday
    Jim Redden October 01 2022 UPDATE: Police are also
    investigating a Sept. 30 shooting in Southeast

    Police are investigating two fatal stabbing in Old Town in
    nine hours on Friday.

    A Friday shooting that left a man in critical condition in
    Southeast Portland is also under investigation.

    In the most recent stabbing, the Portland Police Bureau said
    officers responded to Northwest Broadway and Northwest Couch
    Street just after 8:30 p.m. on Sept. 30. There they found an
    injured victim who was declared dead by arriving paramedics.

    Police announced Saturday morning that Kalil C. Ford, 20, was
    arrested and charged with murder in the second degree and
    unlawful use of a weapon.

    According to the police, this was the 71st homicide case for
    Portland in 2022.

    Before that, 11:28 a.m. on Friday, Central Precinct officers
    responded to a report of a stabbing at West Burnside Street
    and Northwest Third Avenue. When officers arrived, they
    located an injured victim. Paramedics determined the person
    was dead. [snip]

    https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/559343-447709-two-people-stabbed-to-death-in-old-town-on-friday



    We already have a "red flag" law. Like most gun control
    measures I wouldn't expect this one to do much to staunch the
    flow of blood. This one creates a lot of paperwork and treats
    gun buyers like criminals.

    My brother and I took a required hunter safety course when
    we were kids. I don't think we were helped or harmed by it.
    My experience is that gun safety instructors, as a group, are
    the most dangerous gun owners around. Ours demonstrated
    pulling the bullet out of a 22 shell and firing it by heating
    the primer in the classroom. Safety instructors are followed
    closely by the clowns who do a lot of preaching about gun
    safety without actually practicing what they preach. When I
    lived in Eugene a bunch of sheriff's deputies went out on a
    hunting trip with one of their dispatchers. She didn't come
    back because she ended up getting shot in the head. Those are
    the people who will be issuing the permits.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)



    "require permits issued by local law enforcement to buy a firearm;
    require photo ID, fingerprints, safety training, criminal
    background check, and fee payment to apply for a permit; and
    prohibit manufacturing, importing, purchasing, selling,
    possessing, using, or transferring ammunition magazines
    capable of holding more than 10 rounds and make violations a
    class A misdemeanor."

    I'll vote against it.

    TB

    Would it be safe for me assume that all those words mean,
    "We've still got dumbasses running the show out here."?

    You name it. All we have is dumbasses running the show wherever
    you are. Your neck of the woods is a prime example. I think smart
    people avoid that bullshit because no matter how smart you are,
    you'll end up looking like a dumbass.

    TB

    Wise words, for someone who enjoys being an iconoclast... I was a
    drop out on my hunter safety class, and waited a few months until
    I was 16, when the class wasn't required for us big boys....

    Last Sat. the San Luis PD had a gun buy back program.

    Buy back? Why'd the PD sell 'em in the first place? dumbasses. However
    comma buy backs are a great way to get something out of a POS nobody
    else would give you even a Bud Light for.

    They were
    giving out $200, $100, and $50, grocery coupons ... By the time I
    got there at noon, the coupons were gone... They had collected 209
    guns, including six assault rifles (?), several dozen pistols,
    etc... It was a dumbass form of Commiefornia "Gun Control", that
    should be no problem for pistol packin' bill.... BTW, I was there
    to "render my sword into plowshares", expecting the get a $100
    coupon, for my Jennings .22, "Saturday Night Special", but they
    ran out of coupons, before I could diddle the City of SLO, with
    my gun trading shrewdness! HawHawHaw!

    Elmer Keith Jr.



    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to film...@gmail.com on Wed Oct 5 07:52:20 2022
    On 10/4/2022 6:56 PM, film...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 1:27:50 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 12:58 PM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 9:33 AM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:

    Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control regulations: >>>>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive poll

    Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.

    By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive
    Oregonians appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
    regulations in the country, according to a new poll commissioned by >>>>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive.

    A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%, said they
    would vote this November for Measure 114, which would require a
    background check, safety training and a permit to acquire a firearm. >>>>>> If approved, the measure also would require that police maintain a >>>>>> firearms database and would outlaw ammunition magazines that hold
    more than 10 rounds.
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html

    Â Â Â Â They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education, >>>>>> residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's more
    support for this in the Portland metropolitan area than there is in >>>>>> the rest of the state. There are also more people in the Portland
    metropolitan area than the rest of the state.

    Â Â Â Â Â This is potentially good news for our Democratic
    candidate for governor. The polls show her running neck and neck
    with our, more or less traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine >>>>>> gun Betsy" is running a distant third. Seriously, she does own one >>>>>> and she used to be proud of the name and her perfect score with the >>>>>> NRA. She's essentially running as a pro-choice Republican. She's
    doing what her sponsors wanted her to do. She's drawing off enough >>>>>> support to give the Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust >>>>>> anyone who claims they can solve all our problems and that they are >>>>>> the only one who can fix any of them. Both of the Republicans are
    making this claim. According to their ads they're running against
    our, unpopular with just about everyone, outgoing governor, which
    would be a good trick if they can manage it.

    TB

    What do you personally think of 114?



    To give you some idea of what people in Portland regularly see >>>> in the news. There were only 2 fatal stabbings downtown on Friday. The >>>> second article refers to this first stabbing. "Old town" is the
    eastern half of downtown. Portland's traditional homeless shelters
    have been located there for as long as anyone here can remember.

    "Man fatally stabbed on Old Town street corner; suspect ‘swarmed’
    by Portland police nearby
    Updated: Oct. 03, 2022, 12:15 p.m.|Published: Sep. 30, 2022, 1:52 p.m. >>>>
    By Zane Sparling | The Oregonian/OregonLive

    A man was killed in a stabbing Friday on a street corner in Old Town
    after several men started arguing, Portland police and witnesses said. >>>>
    Officers arrived at West Burnside and Northwest Third Avenue about
    11:30 a.m. and learned one man had died and another man had fled
    moments earlier, said police spokesperson Sgt. Kevin Allen.

    The sergeant dispatching the call hailed for all available patrol
    cars, Allen said. Dispatch records showed 15 units on scene.

    “Officers began a very quick investigation,†he said. “They were
    able to catch up with a suspect a couple of blocks to the north. … >>>> Detectives are not currently looking for any other suspects.â€
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/09/person-killed-in-stabbing-in-portlands-old-town-suspect-arrested-nearby.html

    "Two people stabbed to death in Old Town on Friday
    Jim Redden October 01 2022
    UPDATE: Police are also investigating a Sept. 30 shooting in Southeast >>>>
    Police are investigating two fatal stabbing in Old Town in nine hours
    on Friday.

    A Friday shooting that left a man in critical condition in Southeast
    Portland is also under investigation.

    In the most recent stabbing, the Portland Police Bureau said officers
    responded to Northwest Broadway and Northwest Couch Street just after
    8:30 p.m. on Sept. 30. There they found an injured victim who was
    declared dead by arriving paramedics.

    Police announced Saturday morning that Kalil C. Ford, 20, was arrested >>>> and charged with murder in the second degree and unlawful use of a
    weapon.

    According to the police, this was the 71st homicide case for Portland
    in 2022.

    Before that, 11:28 a.m. on Friday, Central Precinct officers responded >>>> to a report of a stabbing at West Burnside Street and Northwest Third
    Avenue. When officers arrived, they located an injured victim.
    Paramedics determined the person was dead.
    [snip]

    https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/559343-447709-two-people-stabbed-to-death-in-old-town-on-friday

    We already have a "red flag" law. Like most gun control
    measures I wouldn't expect this one to do much to staunch the flow of
    blood. This one creates a lot of paperwork and treats gun buyers like
    criminals.

    My brother and I took a required hunter safety course when we
    were kids. I don't think we were helped or harmed by it. My experience >>>> is that gun safety instructors, as a group, are the most dangerous gun >>>> owners around. Ours demonstrated pulling the bullet out of a 22 shell
    and firing it by heating the primer in the classroom. Safety
    instructors are followed closely by the clowns who do a lot of
    preaching about gun safety without actually practicing what they
    preach. When I lived in Eugene a bunch of sheriff's deputies went out
    on a hunting trip with one of their dispatchers. She didn't come back
    because she ended up getting shot in the head. Those are the people
    who will be issuing the permits.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)

    "require permits issued by local law enforcement to buy a firearm;
    require photo ID, fingerprints, safety training, criminal background
    check, and fee payment to apply for a permit; and
    prohibit manufacturing, importing, purchasing, selling, possessing,
    using, or transferring ammunition magazines capable of holding more
    than 10 rounds and make violations a class A misdemeanor."

    I'll vote against it.

    TB

    Would it be safe for me assume that all those words mean, "We've still
    got dumbasses running the show out here."?

    You name it. All we have is dumbasses running the show wherever
    you are. Your neck of the woods is a prime example. I think smart people
    avoid that bullshit because no matter how smart you are, you'll end up
    looking like a dumbass.

    TB

    Wise words, for someone who enjoys being an iconoclast... I was a drop out on my hunter safety class, and waited a few months until I was 16, when the class wasn't required for us big boys....

    Last Sat. the San Luis PD had a gun buy back program. They were giving out $200, $100, and $50, grocery coupons ... By the time I got there at noon, the coupons were gone... They had collected 209 guns, including six assault rifles (?), several
    dozen pistols, etc... It was a dumbass form of Commiefornia "Gun Control", that should be no problem for pistol packin' bill.... BTW, I was there to "render my sword into plowshares", expecting the get a $100 coupon, for my Jennings .22, "Saturday
    Night Special", but they ran out of coupons, before I could diddle the City of SLO, with my gun trading shrewdness! HawHawHaw!

    Elmer Keith Jr.

    I end up wondering how many California communists used this boost
    to their budget as an opportunity to buy a better gun? Were you planning
    on spending your ill gotten gains on wine, women and song? Or were you
    just going to waste it? It sounds like you need to get your butt in gear earlier if you want to have any chance of beating your fellow citizens
    to this pot of gold. lol

    TB

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  • From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Wed Oct 5 17:55:11 2022
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 9:33 AM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:

    Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control regulations:
    The Oregonian/OregonLive poll

    Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.

    By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive
    Oregonians appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
    regulations in the country, according to a new poll commissioned by
    The Oregonian/OregonLive.

    A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%, said they would
    vote this November for Measure 114, which would require a background
    check, safety training and a permit to acquire a firearm. If approved,
    the measure also would require that police maintain a firearms
    database and would outlaw ammunition magazines that hold more than 10
    rounds.
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html

         They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education,
    residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's more support
    for this in the Portland metropolitan area than there is in the rest
    of the state. There are also more people in the Portland metropolitan
    area than the rest of the state.

          This is potentially good news for our Democratic candidate for >>> governor. The polls show her running neck and neck with our, more or
    less traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine gun Betsy" is running
    a distant third. Seriously, she does own one and she used to be proud
    of the name and her perfect score with the NRA. She's essentially
    running as a pro-choice Republican. She's doing what her sponsors
    wanted her to do. She's drawing off enough support to give the
    Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust anyone who claims they
    can solve all our problems and that they are the only one who can fix
    any of them. Both of the Republicans are making this claim. According
    to their ads they're running against our, unpopular with just about
    everyone, outgoing governor, which would be a good trick if they can
    manage it.

    TB

    What do you personally think of 114?



    To give you some idea of what people in Portland regularly see in
    the news. There were only 2 fatal stabbings downtown on Friday. The
    second article refers to this first stabbing. "Old town" is the eastern
    half of downtown. Portland's traditional homeless shelters have been
    located there for as long as anyone here can remember.

    "Man fatally stabbed on Old Town street corner; suspect ‘swarmed’ by Portland police nearby
    Updated: Oct. 03, 2022, 12:15 p.m.|Published: Sep. 30, 2022, 1:52 p.m.

    By Zane Sparling | The Oregonian/OregonLive

    A man was killed in a stabbing Friday on a street corner in Old Town
    after several men started arguing, Portland police and witnesses said.

    Officers arrived at West Burnside and Northwest Third Avenue about 11:30
    a.m. and learned one man had died and another man had fled moments
    earlier, said police spokesperson Sgt. Kevin Allen.

    The sergeant dispatching the call hailed for all available patrol cars,
    Allen said. Dispatch records showed 15 units on scene.

    “Officers began a very quick investigation,” he said. “They were able to
    catch up with a suspect a couple of blocks to the north. … Detectives
    are not currently looking for any other suspects.”
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/09/person-killed-in-stabbing-in-portlands-old-town-suspect-arrested-nearby.html

    "Two people stabbed to death in Old Town on Friday
    Jim Redden October 01 2022
    UPDATE: Police are also investigating a Sept. 30 shooting in Southeast

    Police are investigating two fatal stabbing in Old Town in nine hours on Friday.

    A Friday shooting that left a man in critical condition in Southeast
    Portland is also under investigation.

    In the most recent stabbing, the Portland Police Bureau said officers responded to Northwest Broadway and Northwest Couch Street just after
    8:30 p.m. on Sept. 30. There they found an injured victim who was
    declared dead by arriving paramedics.

    Police announced Saturday morning that Kalil C. Ford, 20, was arrested
    and charged with murder in the second degree and unlawful use of a weapon.

    According to the police, this was the 71st homicide case for Portland in 2022.

    Before that, 11:28 a.m. on Friday, Central Precinct officers responded
    to a report of a stabbing at West Burnside Street and Northwest Third
    Avenue. When officers arrived, they located an injured victim.
    Paramedics determined the person was dead.
    [snip]

    https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/559343-447709-two-people-stabbed-to-death-in-old-town-on-friday

    We already have a "red flag" law. Like most gun control measures
    I wouldn't expect this one to do much to staunch the flow of blood. This
    one creates a lot of paperwork and treats gun buyers like criminals.

    My brother and I took a required hunter safety course when we
    were kids. I don't think we were helped or harmed by it. My experience
    is that gun safety instructors, as a group, are the most dangerous gun
    owners around. Ours demonstrated pulling the bullet out of a 22 shell
    and firing it by heating the primer in the classroom. Safety instructors
    are followed closely by the clowns who do a lot of preaching about gun
    safety without actually practicing what they preach. When I lived in
    Eugene a bunch of sheriff's deputies went out on a hunting trip with one
    of their dispatchers. She didn't come back because she ended up getting
    shot in the head. Those are the people who will be issuing the permits.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)

    "require permits issued by local law enforcement to buy a firearm;
    require photo ID, fingerprints, safety training, criminal background
    check, and fee payment to apply for a permit; and
    prohibit manufacturing, importing, purchasing, selling, possessing,
    using, or transferring ammunition magazines capable of holding more than
    10 rounds and make violations a class A misdemeanor."

    I'll vote against it.

    TB



    What a $&@! wind bag.

    --

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  • From filmbydon@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Wed Oct 5 11:03:48 2022
    On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 7:52:31 AM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 6:56 PM, film...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 1:27:50 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 12:58 PM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 9:33 AM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:

    Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control regulations: >>>>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive poll

    Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.

    By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive
    Oregonians appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
    regulations in the country, according to a new poll commissioned by >>>>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive.

    A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%, said they >>>>>> would vote this November for Measure 114, which would require a >>>>>> background check, safety training and a permit to acquire a firearm. >>>>>> If approved, the measure also would require that police maintain a >>>>>> firearms database and would outlaw ammunition magazines that hold >>>>>> more than 10 rounds.
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html

    Â Â Â Â They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education, >>>>>> residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's more
    support for this in the Portland metropolitan area than there is in >>>>>> the rest of the state. There are also more people in the Portland >>>>>> metropolitan area than the rest of the state.

    Â Â Â Â Â This is potentially good news for our Democratic >>>>>> candidate for governor. The polls show her running neck and neck >>>>>> with our, more or less traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine >>>>>> gun Betsy" is running a distant third. Seriously, she does own one >>>>>> and she used to be proud of the name and her perfect score with the >>>>>> NRA. She's essentially running as a pro-choice Republican. She's >>>>>> doing what her sponsors wanted her to do. She's drawing off enough >>>>>> support to give the Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust >>>>>> anyone who claims they can solve all our problems and that they are >>>>>> the only one who can fix any of them. Both of the Republicans are >>>>>> making this claim. According to their ads they're running against >>>>>> our, unpopular with just about everyone, outgoing governor, which >>>>>> would be a good trick if they can manage it.

    TB

    What do you personally think of 114?



    To give you some idea of what people in Portland regularly see
    in the news. There were only 2 fatal stabbings downtown on Friday. The >>>> second article refers to this first stabbing. "Old town" is the
    eastern half of downtown. Portland's traditional homeless shelters
    have been located there for as long as anyone here can remember.

    "Man fatally stabbed on Old Town street corner; suspect ‘swarmed’
    by Portland police nearby
    Updated: Oct. 03, 2022, 12:15 p.m.|Published: Sep. 30, 2022, 1:52 p.m. >>>>
    By Zane Sparling | The Oregonian/OregonLive

    A man was killed in a stabbing Friday on a street corner in Old Town >>>> after several men started arguing, Portland police and witnesses said. >>>>
    Officers arrived at West Burnside and Northwest Third Avenue about
    11:30 a.m. and learned one man had died and another man had fled
    moments earlier, said police spokesperson Sgt. Kevin Allen.

    The sergeant dispatching the call hailed for all available patrol
    cars, Allen said. Dispatch records showed 15 units on scene.

    “Officers began a very quick investigation,†he said. “They were
    able to catch up with a suspect a couple of blocks to the north. …
    Detectives are not currently looking for any other suspects.â€
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/09/person-killed-in-stabbing-in-portlands-old-town-suspect-arrested-nearby.html

    "Two people stabbed to death in Old Town on Friday
    Jim Redden October 01 2022
    UPDATE: Police are also investigating a Sept. 30 shooting in Southeast >>>>
    Police are investigating two fatal stabbing in Old Town in nine hours >>>> on Friday.

    A Friday shooting that left a man in critical condition in Southeast >>>> Portland is also under investigation.

    In the most recent stabbing, the Portland Police Bureau said officers >>>> responded to Northwest Broadway and Northwest Couch Street just after >>>> 8:30 p.m. on Sept. 30. There they found an injured victim who was
    declared dead by arriving paramedics.

    Police announced Saturday morning that Kalil C. Ford, 20, was arrested >>>> and charged with murder in the second degree and unlawful use of a
    weapon.

    According to the police, this was the 71st homicide case for Portland >>>> in 2022.

    Before that, 11:28 a.m. on Friday, Central Precinct officers responded >>>> to a report of a stabbing at West Burnside Street and Northwest Third >>>> Avenue. When officers arrived, they located an injured victim.
    Paramedics determined the person was dead.
    [snip]

    https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/559343-447709-two-people-stabbed-to-death-in-old-town-on-friday

    We already have a "red flag" law. Like most gun control
    measures I wouldn't expect this one to do much to staunch the flow of >>>> blood. This one creates a lot of paperwork and treats gun buyers like >>>> criminals.

    My brother and I took a required hunter safety course when we
    were kids. I don't think we were helped or harmed by it. My experience >>>> is that gun safety instructors, as a group, are the most dangerous gun >>>> owners around. Ours demonstrated pulling the bullet out of a 22 shell >>>> and firing it by heating the primer in the classroom. Safety
    instructors are followed closely by the clowns who do a lot of
    preaching about gun safety without actually practicing what they
    preach. When I lived in Eugene a bunch of sheriff's deputies went out >>>> on a hunting trip with one of their dispatchers. She didn't come back >>>> because she ended up getting shot in the head. Those are the people >>>> who will be issuing the permits.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)

    "require permits issued by local law enforcement to buy a firearm;
    require photo ID, fingerprints, safety training, criminal background >>>> check, and fee payment to apply for a permit; and
    prohibit manufacturing, importing, purchasing, selling, possessing, >>>> using, or transferring ammunition magazines capable of holding more >>>> than 10 rounds and make violations a class A misdemeanor."

    I'll vote against it.

    TB

    Would it be safe for me assume that all those words mean, "We've still >>> got dumbasses running the show out here."?

    You name it. All we have is dumbasses running the show wherever
    you are. Your neck of the woods is a prime example. I think smart people >> avoid that bullshit because no matter how smart you are, you'll end up
    looking like a dumbass.

    TB

    Wise words, for someone who enjoys being an iconoclast... I was a drop out on my hunter safety class, and waited a few months until I was 16, when the class wasn't required for us big boys....

    Last Sat. the San Luis PD had a gun buy back program. They were giving out $200, $100, and $50, grocery coupons ... By the time I got there at noon, the coupons were gone... They had collected 209 guns, including six assault rifles (?), several dozen
    pistols, etc... It was a dumbass form of Commiefornia "Gun Control", that should be no problem for pistol packin' bill.... BTW, I was there to "render my sword into plowshares", expecting the get a $100 coupon, for my Jennings .22, "Saturday Night
    Special", but they ran out of coupons, before I could diddle the City of SLO, with my gun trading shrewdness! HawHawHaw!

    Elmer Keith Jr.
    I end up wondering how many California communists used this boost
    to their budget as an opportunity to buy a better gun? Were you planning
    on spending your ill gotten gains on wine, women and song? Or were you
    just going to waste it? It sounds like you need to get your butt in gear earlier if you want to have any chance of beating your fellow citizens
    to this pot of gold. lol

    TB

    They weren't handing out "real money", just grocery coupons, so women, song, and gun upgrades were not possible, even had I arisen earlier.... I'm not sure if the coupons would work for alcohol at the super market? They might have been like "food
    stamps", and no good for non-edibles? Since I like to sleep late, the coupon particulars remain uncertain.... I was an example of "snooze, & you loose...."

    Bill Jordan Jr.

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to film...@gmail.com on Wed Oct 5 14:30:09 2022
    film...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 7:52:31 AM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
    wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 6:56 PM, film...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 1:27:50 PM UTC-7,
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 12:58 PM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 9:33 AM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:

    Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun
    control regulations: The Oregonian/OregonLive poll

    Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.

    By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive Oregonians
    appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
    regulations in the country, according to a new poll
    commissioned by The Oregonian/OregonLive.

    A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled,
    51%, said they would vote this November for Measure
    114, which would require a background check, safety
    training and a permit to acquire a firearm. If
    approved, the measure also would require that police
    maintain a firearms database and would outlaw
    ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html



    Â Â Â Â They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education,
    residence, etc. It's about what you would expect.
    There's more support for this in the Portland
    metropolitan area than there is in the rest of the
    state. There are also more people in the Portland
    metropolitan area than the rest of the state.

    Â Â Â Â Â This is potentially good news for our >>>>>>>> Democratic candidate for governor. The polls show her
    running neck and neck with our, more or less
    traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine gun
    Betsy" is running a distant third. Seriously, she
    does own one and she used to be proud of the name and
    her perfect score with the NRA. She's essentially
    running as a pro-choice Republican. She's doing what
    her sponsors wanted her to do. She's drawing off
    enough support to give the Republican a chance.
    Personally, I don't trust anyone who claims they can
    solve all our problems and that they are the only one
    who can fix any of them. Both of the Republicans are
    making this claim. According to their ads they're
    running against our, unpopular with just about
    everyone, outgoing governor, which would be a good
    trick if they can manage it.

    TB

    What do you personally think of 114?



    To give you some idea of what people in Portland
    regularly see in the news. There were only 2 fatal
    stabbings downtown on Friday. The second article refers
    to this first stabbing. "Old town" is the eastern half of
    downtown. Portland's traditional homeless shelters have
    been located there for as long as anyone here can
    remember.

    "Man fatally stabbed on Old Town street corner; suspect
    ‘swarmed’ by Portland police nearby Updated:
    Oct. 03, 2022, 12:15 p.m.|Published: Sep. 30, 2022, 1:52
    p.m.

    By Zane Sparling | The Oregonian/OregonLive

    A man was killed in a stabbing Friday on a street corner
    in Old Town after several men started arguing, Portland
    police and witnesses said.

    Officers arrived at West Burnside and Northwest Third
    Avenue about 11:30 a.m. and learned one man had died and
    another man had fled moments earlier, said police
    spokesperson Sgt. Kevin Allen.

    The sergeant dispatching the call hailed for all
    available patrol cars, Allen said. Dispatch records
    showed 15 units on scene.

    “Officers began a very quick investigation,†he >>>>>> said. “They were able to catch up with a suspect a
    couple of blocks to the north. … Detectives are not
    currently looking for any other suspects.†[snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/09/person-killed-in-stabbing-in-portlands-old-town-suspect-arrested-nearby.html



    "Two people stabbed to death in Old Town on Friday
    Jim Redden October 01 2022 UPDATE: Police are also
    investigating a Sept. 30 shooting in Southeast

    Police are investigating two fatal stabbing in Old Town
    in nine hours on Friday.

    A Friday shooting that left a man in critical condition
    in Southeast Portland is also under investigation.

    In the most recent stabbing, the Portland Police Bureau
    said officers responded to Northwest Broadway and
    Northwest Couch Street just after 8:30 p.m. on Sept. 30.
    There they found an injured victim who was declared dead
    by arriving paramedics.

    Police announced Saturday morning that Kalil C. Ford, 20,
    was arrested and charged with murder in the second degree
    and unlawful use of a weapon.

    According to the police, this was the 71st homicide case
    for Portland in 2022.

    Before that, 11:28 a.m. on Friday, Central Precinct
    officers responded to a report of a stabbing at West
    Burnside Street and Northwest Third Avenue. When officers
    arrived, they located an injured victim. Paramedics
    determined the person was dead. [snip]

    https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/559343-447709-two-people-stabbed-to-death-in-old-town-on-friday



    We already have a "red flag" law. Like most gun control
    measures I wouldn't expect this one to do much to staunch
    the flow of blood. This one creates a lot of paperwork
    and treats gun buyers like criminals.

    My brother and I took a required hunter safety course
    when we were kids. I don't think we were helped or harmed
    by it. My experience is that gun safety instructors, as a
    group, are the most dangerous gun owners around. Ours
    demonstrated pulling the bullet out of a 22 shell and
    firing it by heating the primer in the classroom. Safety
    instructors are followed closely by the clowns who do a
    lot of preaching about gun safety without actually
    practicing what they preach. When I lived in Eugene a
    bunch of sheriff's deputies went out on a hunting trip
    with one of their dispatchers. She didn't come back
    because she ended up getting shot in the head. Those are
    the people who will be issuing the permits.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)



    "require permits issued by local law enforcement to buy a firearm;
    require photo ID, fingerprints, safety training, criminal
    background check, and fee payment to apply for a permit;
    and prohibit manufacturing, importing, purchasing,
    selling, possessing, using, or transferring ammunition
    magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds and make
    violations a class A misdemeanor."

    I'll vote against it.

    TB

    Would it be safe for me assume that all those words mean,
    "We've still got dumbasses running the show out here."?

    You name it. All we have is dumbasses running the show
    wherever you are. Your neck of the woods is a prime example.
    I think smart people avoid that bullshit because no matter
    how smart you are, you'll end up looking like a dumbass.

    TB

    Wise words, for someone who enjoys being an iconoclast... I was
    a drop out on my hunter safety class, and waited a few months
    until I was 16, when the class wasn't required for us big
    boys....

    Last Sat. the San Luis PD had a gun buy back program. They were
    giving out $200, $100, and $50, grocery coupons ... By the time
    I got there at noon, the coupons were gone... They had
    collected 209 guns, including six assault rifles (?), several
    dozen pistols, etc... It was a dumbass form of Commiefornia
    "Gun Control", that should be no problem for pistol packin'
    bill.... BTW, I was there to "render my sword into plowshares",
    expecting the get a $100 coupon, for my Jennings .22, "Saturday
    Night Special", but they ran out of coupons, before I could
    diddle the City of SLO, with my gun trading shrewdness!
    HawHawHaw!

    Elmer Keith Jr.
    I end up wondering how many California communists used this
    boost to their budget as an opportunity to buy a better gun? Were
    you planning on spending your ill gotten gains on wine, women and
    song? Or were you just going to waste it? It sounds like you need
    to get your butt in gear earlier if you want to have any chance
    of beating your fellow citizens to this pot of gold. lol

    TB

    They weren't handing out "real money", just grocery coupons, so
    women, song, and gun upgrades were not possible, even had I
    arisen earlier.... I'm not sure if the coupons would work for
    alcohol at the super market? They might have been like "food
    stamps", and no good for non-edibles? Since I like to sleep late,
    the coupon particulars remain uncertain.... I was an example of
    "snooze, & you loose...."

    Bill Jordan Jr.


    Hey. Wake up. Pivot. Reorient. Recalulate your calculus. Redefine your metrics. If you get say, $100 worth of groceries free, that's 100 of
    your own Real Dollars you'll still have to buy a gun.......or some
    wine, women, and/or song. That assumes, of course, that you don't grow
    all of your own food or eat at your neighbors' tables.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to film...@gmail.com on Wed Oct 5 13:48:27 2022
    On 10/5/2022 11:03 AM, film...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 7:52:31 AM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 6:56 PM, film...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 1:27:50 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote: >>>> On 10/4/2022 12:58 PM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 10/4/2022 9:33 AM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:

    Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control regulations: >>>>>>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive poll

    Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.

    By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive
    Oregonians appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
    regulations in the country, according to a new poll commissioned by >>>>>>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive.

    A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%, said they >>>>>>>> would vote this November for Measure 114, which would require a >>>>>>>> background check, safety training and a permit to acquire a firearm. >>>>>>>> If approved, the measure also would require that police maintain a >>>>>>>> firearms database and would outlaw ammunition magazines that hold >>>>>>>> more than 10 rounds.
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html

    Â Â Â Â They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education, >>>>>>>> residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's more >>>>>>>> support for this in the Portland metropolitan area than there is in >>>>>>>> the rest of the state. There are also more people in the Portland >>>>>>>> metropolitan area than the rest of the state.

    Â Â Â Â Â This is potentially good news for our Democratic >>>>>>>> candidate for governor. The polls show her running neck and neck >>>>>>>> with our, more or less traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine >>>>>>>> gun Betsy" is running a distant third. Seriously, she does own one >>>>>>>> and she used to be proud of the name and her perfect score with the >>>>>>>> NRA. She's essentially running as a pro-choice Republican. She's >>>>>>>> doing what her sponsors wanted her to do. She's drawing off enough >>>>>>>> support to give the Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust >>>>>>>> anyone who claims they can solve all our problems and that they are >>>>>>>> the only one who can fix any of them. Both of the Republicans are >>>>>>>> making this claim. According to their ads they're running against >>>>>>>> our, unpopular with just about everyone, outgoing governor, which >>>>>>>> would be a good trick if they can manage it.

    TB

    What do you personally think of 114?



    To give you some idea of what people in Portland regularly see
    in the news. There were only 2 fatal stabbings downtown on Friday. The >>>>>> second article refers to this first stabbing. "Old town" is the
    eastern half of downtown. Portland's traditional homeless shelters >>>>>> have been located there for as long as anyone here can remember.

    "Man fatally stabbed on Old Town street corner; suspect ‘swarmed’
    by Portland police nearby
    Updated: Oct. 03, 2022, 12:15 p.m.|Published: Sep. 30, 2022, 1:52 p.m. >>>>>>
    By Zane Sparling | The Oregonian/OregonLive

    A man was killed in a stabbing Friday on a street corner in Old Town >>>>>> after several men started arguing, Portland police and witnesses said. >>>>>>
    Officers arrived at West Burnside and Northwest Third Avenue about >>>>>> 11:30 a.m. and learned one man had died and another man had fled
    moments earlier, said police spokesperson Sgt. Kevin Allen.

    The sergeant dispatching the call hailed for all available patrol
    cars, Allen said. Dispatch records showed 15 units on scene.

    “Officers began a very quick investigation,†he said. “They were
    able to catch up with a suspect a couple of blocks to the north. … >>>>>> Detectives are not currently looking for any other suspects.â€
    [snip]

    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/09/person-killed-in-stabbing-in-portlands-old-town-suspect-arrested-nearby.html

    "Two people stabbed to death in Old Town on Friday
    Jim Redden October 01 2022
    UPDATE: Police are also investigating a Sept. 30 shooting in Southeast >>>>>>
    Police are investigating two fatal stabbing in Old Town in nine hours >>>>>> on Friday.

    A Friday shooting that left a man in critical condition in Southeast >>>>>> Portland is also under investigation.

    In the most recent stabbing, the Portland Police Bureau said officers >>>>>> responded to Northwest Broadway and Northwest Couch Street just after >>>>>> 8:30 p.m. on Sept. 30. There they found an injured victim who was
    declared dead by arriving paramedics.

    Police announced Saturday morning that Kalil C. Ford, 20, was arrested >>>>>> and charged with murder in the second degree and unlawful use of a >>>>>> weapon.

    According to the police, this was the 71st homicide case for Portland >>>>>> in 2022.

    Before that, 11:28 a.m. on Friday, Central Precinct officers responded >>>>>> to a report of a stabbing at West Burnside Street and Northwest Third >>>>>> Avenue. When officers arrived, they located an injured victim.
    Paramedics determined the person was dead.
    [snip]

    https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/559343-447709-two-people-stabbed-to-death-in-old-town-on-friday

    We already have a "red flag" law. Like most gun control
    measures I wouldn't expect this one to do much to staunch the flow of >>>>>> blood. This one creates a lot of paperwork and treats gun buyers like >>>>>> criminals.

    My brother and I took a required hunter safety course when we
    were kids. I don't think we were helped or harmed by it. My experience >>>>>> is that gun safety instructors, as a group, are the most dangerous gun >>>>>> owners around. Ours demonstrated pulling the bullet out of a 22 shell >>>>>> and firing it by heating the primer in the classroom. Safety
    instructors are followed closely by the clowns who do a lot of
    preaching about gun safety without actually practicing what they
    preach. When I lived in Eugene a bunch of sheriff's deputies went out >>>>>> on a hunting trip with one of their dispatchers. She didn't come back >>>>>> because she ended up getting shot in the head. Those are the people >>>>>> who will be issuing the permits.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)

    "require permits issued by local law enforcement to buy a firearm; >>>>>> require photo ID, fingerprints, safety training, criminal background >>>>>> check, and fee payment to apply for a permit; and
    prohibit manufacturing, importing, purchasing, selling, possessing, >>>>>> using, or transferring ammunition magazines capable of holding more >>>>>> than 10 rounds and make violations a class A misdemeanor."

    I'll vote against it.

    TB

    Would it be safe for me assume that all those words mean, "We've still >>>>> got dumbasses running the show out here."?

    You name it. All we have is dumbasses running the show wherever
    you are. Your neck of the woods is a prime example. I think smart people >>>> avoid that bullshit because no matter how smart you are, you'll end up >>>> looking like a dumbass.

    TB

    Wise words, for someone who enjoys being an iconoclast... I was a drop out on my hunter safety class, and waited a few months until I was 16, when the class wasn't required for us big boys....

    Last Sat. the San Luis PD had a gun buy back program. They were giving out $200, $100, and $50, grocery coupons ... By the time I got there at noon, the coupons were gone... They had collected 209 guns, including six assault rifles (?), several dozen
    pistols, etc... It was a dumbass form of Commiefornia "Gun Control", that should be no problem for pistol packin' bill.... BTW, I was there to "render my sword into plowshares", expecting the get a $100 coupon, for my Jennings .22, "Saturday Night
    Special", but they ran out of coupons, before I could diddle the City of SLO, with my gun trading shrewdness! HawHawHaw!

    Elmer Keith Jr.
    I end up wondering how many California communists used this boost
    to their budget as an opportunity to buy a better gun? Were you planning
    on spending your ill gotten gains on wine, women and song? Or were you
    just going to waste it? It sounds like you need to get your butt in gear
    earlier if you want to have any chance of beating your fellow citizens
    to this pot of gold. lol

    TB

    They weren't handing out "real money", just grocery coupons, so women, song, and gun upgrades were not possible, even had I arisen earlier.... I'm not sure if the coupons would work for alcohol at the super market? They might have been like "food
    stamps", and no good for non-edibles? Since I like to sleep late, the coupon particulars remain uncertain.... I was an example of "snooze, & you loose...."

    Bill Jordan Jr.

    Dude! If I get an EXTRA $100 to spend on groceries, that gives me
    $100 I can spend on something else. I am not going to spend $100 over
    and above what I'm already spending on groceries just because I have
    coupons. A hundred dollars worth of grocery coupons is the same as money
    to me because that's $100 of cash I didn't leave at the grocery store. I
    would expect the first people in line to be gun collectors because they probably have some junk they wouldn't mind getting rid of--and the
    *EXTRA* money that they saved on groceries could be used to buy more guns.

    TB

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