• Re: Witches selected in U.S. Capitol riot trial of Oath Keepers militia

    From Mary E. Junck Chairman@21:1/5 to Lawless democrats on Mon Oct 3 12:16:09 2022
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    In article <thdblq$1odes$1@news.mixmin.net>
    Lawless democrats <unequal@law.usa> wrote:

    On 02 Oct 2022, Rudy Canoza <rc@cap.con> posted some news:POh_K.112014$tRy7.30564@fx36.iad:

    On 10/2/2022 6:10 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 10/2/22 07:42, Siri Cruise wrote:
    In article <tIicnajLn_4ywKT-nZ2dnZfqn_pj4p2d@giganews.com>,
      David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:

    attempt to overthrow the US government by using a mob to invade the
    capital building is idiotic to the point of being unbelievable.

    Too late. Judges have already recognised it as 14th Amendment
    Section 3 insurrection and keeping participants out of elected
    office.

    Example please?

    You are such a stupid fucking shitbag.

    "Judge calls Jan. 6 an ‘insurrection,’ bars ‘Cowboys for
    Trump’ founder from office" https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/06/judge-calls-jan-6-an-insurrection-bars- cowboys-for-trump-founder-from-office.html

    *You have already commented on this*, *you stupid fucking asshole*

    Obviously you thought you could improve on your personal definition of stupidity by demonstrating yours.

    <https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp- content/uploads/2022/09/D101CV202200473-griffin.pdf>

    Let's cite the specific language entered into record by the Judge from a notably left wing blue-voting parasitic state.

    "The government of the United States has enacted laws designed, first, to protect itself and its authority as a government, and, secondly, its
    control over those agencies to which, under the constitution and laws, it extends govermental regulation. For the former purpose, --namely, to
    protect itself and its authority as a government,--it has enacted that
    every person who incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in, any
    rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or
    the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, 'and any two or more persons in any state or territory who conspire to overthrow, put down, or destroy by force the government of the United States, or to levy wara
    against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof; or by force to prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, 'shall be visited with certain
    penalties there named.

    Insurrection is a rising against civil or political authority,--the open
    and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of law in a city or state. Now, the laws of the United States forbid, under penalty,
    any person from obstruction or retarding the passage of the mail, and make
    it the official duty of the officers to arrest such offenders, and bring
    them before the court. If, therefore, it shall appear to you that any
    person or persons have willfully obstructed or retarded the mails, and
    that their attemnpted arrest for such offense has ben opposed by such a number of persons as would constitute a general uprising in that
    particular locality, then the fact of an insurrection, within the meaning
    of the law, has been established; and he who by speech, writing, or other inducement assists in setting it on foot, or carrying it along, or gives
    it aid or comfort, is guilty of a violation of law. It is not necessary
    that there be bloodshed; it is not necessary that its dimensions should be
    so portentous as to insure probable success, to constitute an
    insurrection. It is necessary, however, that the rising should be in opposition to the execution of the laws of the United States, and should
    be so formidable as for the time being to defy the authority of the United States."


    Now let's provide the cite this lazy purveyor of the law used to form and write his half-assed instructions and opinion.



    https://cite.case.law/f/62/828/

    Insurrection is a rising against civil or political authority, the open
    and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of law in a city or state. Now, the laws of the United States forbid, under penalty,
    any person from obstructing or retarding the passage of the mail, and make
    it the duty of the officers to arrest such offenders, and bring them
    before the court. If, therefore, it shall appear to you that any person or persons have willfully obstructed or retarded the mails, and that their attempted arrest for such offense has been opposed by such a number of persons as would constitute a general uprising in that particular
    locality, and as threatens for the time being the civil and political authority, then the fact of an insurrection, within the meaning of the
    law, has been established; and he who by speech, writing, or other
    inducement assists in setting it on foot, or carrying it along, or gives
    it aid or comfort, is guilty of a violation of laAv. It is not necessary
    that there should be bloodshed; it is not necessary that its dimensions should be so portentous as to insure probable success, to constitute an insurrection. It is necessary, however, that the rising should be in opposition to the execution of the laws of the United States, and should
    be so formidable as for the time being to defy the authority of the United States. When men gather to resist the cml or political power of the United States, or to oppose the execution of its laws, and are in such force that the civil authorities are inadequate to put them down, and a considerable military force is needed to accomplish that result, they become
    insurgents; and every person who knowingly incites, aids, or abets them,
    no matter what his motUes may be, is likewise an insurgent. The penalty
    for the offense is seA-ere, and, as I have said, is designed to protect
    the government and its authority against direct attack. There are other provisions of law designed to protect those particular agencies which come within governmental control. To these I will now call your attention.

    The mails are in the special keeping of the government and laws of the
    United States. To insure their unhindered transmission, it is made an
    offense to knowingly and willfully obstruct or retard the passage of the mail, or any carriage, horse, driver, or carrier carrying the same. It is also proAided that if two or more persons conspire together to commit
    any offense against the United States and one or more of such parties do
    any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, all the parties thereto shall be subject to a penalty. Any person knowingly and willfully doing
    any act which contributes, or is calculated to contribute, to obstructing
    or hindering the mails, or who knowingly and willfully takes a part in
    such *831acts, no matter how trivial, if intentional, is guilty of
    violating the first of these provisions; and any person who conspires with one or more persons, one of whom subsequently commits the offense, is likewise guilty of an offense against the United States. What constitutes conspiracy to hinder or obstruct the mails will be touched upon in
    connection with the subject to which 1 now call your attention.

    The constitution places the regulation of commerce between the several states, and between the states and foreign nations, within the keeping of
    the United States government. Anything which is designed to be transported for commercial purposes from one state to another, and is actually in transit, and any passenger who is actually engaged in any such interstate commercial transaction, and any car or carriage actually transporting or engaged in transporting such passenger or thing, are the agencies and subject-matter of interstate commerce, and any conspiracy in restraint of such trade or commerce is an offense against the United States. To
    restrain is to prohibit, limit, confine, or abridge a thing. The restraint may be permanent or temporary. It may be intended to prohibit, limit, or abridge for all time, or for a day only. The law draws no distinction in
    this respect. Commerce of this character is intended to be free, except subject to regulation by law, at all times, and for all periods. Temporary restraint is therefore as intolerable as permanent, and practical
    restraint by actual physical interference, as criminal as that which flows from the arrangements of business and organization. Any physical interference, therefore, which has the effect of restraining any
    passenger, car, or thing constituting an element of interstate commerce, forms the foundation for this offense. But to complete this offense, as
    also that of conspiracy to obstruct the mails, there must exist, in
    addition to the overt act and purpose, the element of criminal conspiracy.


    In Portland Oregon, businesses were burned and damaged in protest again
    the federal government.

    In Portland Oregon, federal buildings were attacked and damaged.

    <https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/21/portland-riots-read-out-july-21>

    In Seattle washington, federal buildings were attacked and damaged.

    <https://interdependentcourts.com/2021/01/24/another-federal-courthouse- attacked-by-a-mob/>

    Are those attacks not the very definition of the cite and judge?

    Yes they are.

    Why weren't Antifa insurrectionists charged with insurrection?

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  • From David Hartung@21:1/5 to Mary E. Junck Chairman on Mon Oct 3 07:17:19 2022
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    XPost: talk.politics.guns

    On 10/3/22 05:16, Mary E. Junck Chairman wrote:
    In article <thdblq$1odes$1@news.mixmin.net>
    Lawless democrats <unequal@law.usa> wrote:

    On 02 Oct 2022, Rudy Canoza <rc@cap.con> posted some
    news:POh_K.112014$tRy7.30564@fx36.iad:

    On 10/2/2022 6:10 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 10/2/22 07:42, Siri Cruise wrote:
    In article <tIicnajLn_4ywKT-nZ2dnZfqn_pj4p2d@giganews.com>,
      David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:

    attempt to overthrow the US government by using a mob to invade the >>>>>> capital building is idiotic to the point of being unbelievable.

    Too late. Judges have already recognised it as 14th Amendment
    Section 3 insurrection and keeping participants out of elected
    office.

    Example please?

    You are such a stupid fucking shitbag.

    "Judge calls Jan. 6 an ‘insurrection,’ bars ‘Cowboys for >>> Trump’ founder from office"
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/06/judge-calls-jan-6-an-insurrection-bars-
    cowboys-for-trump-founder-from-office.html

    *You have already commented on this*, *you stupid fucking asshole*

    Obviously you thought you could improve on your personal definition of
    stupidity by demonstrating yours.

    <https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-
    content/uploads/2022/09/D101CV202200473-griffin.pdf>

    Let's cite the specific language entered into record by the Judge from a
    notably left wing blue-voting parasitic state.

    "The government of the United States has enacted laws designed, first, to
    protect itself and its authority as a government, and, secondly, its
    control over those agencies to which, under the constitution and laws, it
    extends govermental regulation. For the former purpose, --namely, to
    protect itself and its authority as a government,--it has enacted that
    every person who incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in, any
    rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or
    the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, 'and any two or more
    persons in any state or territory who conspire to overthrow, put down, or
    destroy by force the government of the United States, or to levy wara
    against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof; or by force to
    prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the United States
    contrary to the authority thereof, 'shall be visited with certain
    penalties there named.

    Insurrection is a rising against civil or political authority,--the open
    and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of law in a
    city or state. Now, the laws of the United States forbid, under penalty,
    any person from obstruction or retarding the passage of the mail, and make >> it the official duty of the officers to arrest such offenders, and bring
    them before the court. If, therefore, it shall appear to you that any
    person or persons have willfully obstructed or retarded the mails, and
    that their attemnpted arrest for such offense has ben opposed by such a
    number of persons as would constitute a general uprising in that
    particular locality, then the fact of an insurrection, within the meaning
    of the law, has been established; and he who by speech, writing, or other
    inducement assists in setting it on foot, or carrying it along, or gives
    it aid or comfort, is guilty of a violation of law. It is not necessary
    that there be bloodshed; it is not necessary that its dimensions should be >> so portentous as to insure probable success, to constitute an
    insurrection. It is necessary, however, that the rising should be in
    opposition to the execution of the laws of the United States, and should
    be so formidable as for the time being to defy the authority of the United >> States."


    Now let's provide the cite this lazy purveyor of the law used to form and
    write his half-assed instructions and opinion.



    https://cite.case.law/f/62/828/

    Insurrection is a rising against civil or political authority, — the open >> and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of law in a
    city or state. Now, the laws of the United States forbid, under penalty,
    any person from obstructing or retarding the passage of the mail, and make >> it the duty of the officers to arrest such offenders, and bring them
    before the court. If, therefore, it shall appear to you that any person or >> persons have willfully obstructed or retarded the mails, and that their
    attempted arrest for such offense has been opposed by such a number of
    persons as would constitute a general uprising in that particular
    locality, and as threatens for the time being the civil and political
    authority, then the fact of an insurrection, within the meaning of the
    law, has been established; and he who by speech, writing, or other
    inducement assists in setting it on foot, or carrying it along, or gives
    it aid or comfort, is guilty of a violation of laAv. It is not necessary
    that there should be bloodshed; it is not necessary that its dimensions
    should be so portentous as to insure probable success, to constitute an
    insurrection. It is necessary, however, that the rising should be in
    opposition to the execution of the laws of the United States, and should
    be so formidable as for the time being to defy the authority of the United >> States. When men gather to resist the cml or political power of the United >> States, or to oppose the execution of its laws, and are in such force that >> the civil authorities are inadequate to put them down, and a considerable
    military force is needed to accomplish that result, they become
    insurgents; and every person who knowingly incites, aids, or abets them,
    no matter what his motUes may be, is likewise an insurgent. The penalty
    for the offense is seA-ere, and, as I have said, is designed to protect
    the government and its authority against direct attack. There are other
    provisions of law designed to protect those particular agencies which come >> within governmental control. To these I will now call your attention.

    The mails are in the special keeping of the government and laws of the
    United States. To insure their unhindered transmission, it is made an
    offense to knowingly and willfully obstruct or retard the passage of the
    mail, or any carriage, horse, driver, or carrier carrying the same. It is
    also proA’ided that “if two or more persons conspire together to commit >> any offense against the United States and one or more of such parties do
    any act to effect the object of the conspiracy,” all the parties thereto >> shall be subject to a penalty. Any person knowingly and willfully doing
    any act which contributes, or is calculated to contribute, to obstructing
    or hindering the mails, or who knowingly and willfully takes a part in
    such *831acts, no matter how trivial, if intentional, is guilty of
    violating the first of these provisions; and any person who conspires with >> one or more persons, one of whom subsequently commits the offense, is
    likewise guilty of an offense against the United States. What constitutes
    conspiracy to hinder or obstruct the mails will be touched upon in
    connection with the subject to which 1 now call your attention.

    The constitution places the regulation of commerce between the several
    states, and between the states and foreign nations, within the keeping of
    the United States government. Anything which is designed to be transported >> for commercial purposes from one state to another, and is actually in
    transit, and any passenger who’ is actually engaged in any such interstate >> commercial transaction, and any car or carriage actually transporting or
    engaged in transporting such passenger or thing, are the agencies and
    subject-matter of interstate commerce, and any conspiracy in restraint of
    such trade or commerce is an offense against the United States. To
    restrain is to prohibit, limit, confine, or abridge a thing. The restraint >> may be permanent or temporary. It may be intended to prohibit, limit, or
    abridge for all time, or for a day only. The law draws no distinction in
    this respect. Commerce of this character is intended to be free, except
    subject to regulation by law, at all times, and for all periods. Temporary >> restraint is therefore as intolerable as permanent, and practical
    restraint by actual physical interference, as criminal as that which flows >> from the arrangements of business and organization. Any physical
    interference, therefore, which has the effect of restraining any
    passenger, car, or thing constituting an element of interstate commerce,
    forms the foundation for this offense. But to complete this offense, as
    also that of conspiracy to obstruct the mails, there must exist, in
    addition to the overt act and purpose, the element of criminal conspiracy. >>

    In Portland Oregon, businesses were burned and damaged in protest again
    the federal government.

    In Portland Oregon, federal buildings were attacked and damaged.

    <https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/21/portland-riots-read-out-july-21>

    In Seattle washington, federal buildings were attacked and damaged.

    <https://interdependentcourts.com/2021/01/24/another-federal-courthouse-
    attacked-by-a-mob/>

    Are those attacks not the very definition of the cite and judge?

    Yes they are.

    Why weren't Antifa insurrectionists charged with insurrection?

    An excellent question.

    The same question applies for all of the "occupy" insurrections.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to David Hartung on Mon Oct 3 06:48:44 2022
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    XPost: talk.politics.guns

    In article <LWSdnRgU8bBST6f-nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:

    Why weren't Antifa insurrectionists charged with insurrection?

    An excellent question.

    The same question applies for all of the "occupy" insurrections.

    Which ones attacked federal government institutions?

    Or even state ones?

    --
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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to David Hartung on Mon Oct 3 07:06:50 2022
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    XPost: talk.politics.guns

    On 10/3/2022 5:17 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 10/3/22 05:16, Mary E. Junck Chairman wrote:
    In article <thdblq$1odes$1@news.mixmin.net>
    Lawless democrats <unequal@law.usa> wrote:

    On 02 Oct 2022, Rudy Canoza <rc@cap.con> posted some
    news:POh_K.112014$tRy7.30564@fx36.iad:

    On 10/2/2022 6:10 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 10/2/22 07:42, Siri Cruise wrote:
    In article <tIicnajLn_4ywKT-nZ2dnZfqn_pj4p2d@giganews.com>,
      David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:

    attempt to overthrow the US government by using a mob to invade the >>>>>>> capital building is idiotic to the point of being unbelievable.

    Too late. Judges have already recognised it as 14th Amendment
    Section 3 insurrection and keeping participants out of elected
    office.

    Example please?

    You are such a stupid fucking shitbag.

    "Judge calls Jan. 6 an ‘insurrection,’ bars ‘Cowboys for
    Trump’ founder from office"
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/06/judge-calls-jan-6-an-insurrection-bars- >>>> cowboys-for-trump-founder-from-office.html

    *You have already commented on this*, *you stupid fucking asshole*

    Obviously you thought you could improve on your personal definition of
    stupidity by demonstrating yours.

    <https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-
    content/uploads/2022/09/D101CV202200473-griffin.pdf>

    Let's cite the specific language entered into record by the Judge from a >>> notably left wing blue-voting parasitic state.

    "The government of the United States has enacted laws designed, first, to >>> protect itself and its authority as a government, and, secondly, its
    control over those agencies to which, under the constitution and laws, it >>> extends govermental regulation.  For the former purpose, --namely, to
    protect itself and its authority as a government,--it has enacted that
    every person who incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in, any
    rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or
    the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, 'and any two or more
    persons in any state or territory who conspire to overthrow, put down, or >>> destroy by force the government of the United States, or to levy wara
    against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof; or by force to >>> prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the United States
    contrary to the authority thereof, 'shall be visited with certain
    penalties there named.

    Insurrection is a rising against civil or political authority,--the open >>> and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of law in a >>> city or state.  Now, the laws of the United States forbid, under penalty, >>> any person from obstruction or retarding the passage of the mail, and make >>> it the official duty of the officers to arrest such offenders, and bring >>> them before the court.  If, therefore, it shall appear to you that any
    person or persons have willfully obstructed or retarded the mails, and
    that their attemnpted arrest for such offense has ben opposed by such a
    number of persons as would constitute a general uprising in that
    particular locality, then the fact of an insurrection, within the meaning >>> of the law, has been established; and he who by speech, writing, or other >>> inducement assists in setting it on foot, or carrying it along, or gives >>> it aid or comfort, is guilty of a violation of law.  It is not necessary >>> that there be bloodshed; it is not necessary that its dimensions should be >>> so portentous as to insure probable success, to constitute an
    insurrection.  It is necessary, however, that the rising should be in
    opposition to the execution of the laws of the United States, and should >>> be so formidable as for the time being to defy the authority of the United >>> States."


    Now let's provide the cite this lazy purveyor of the law used to form and >>> write his half-assed instructions and opinion.



    https://cite.case.law/f/62/828/

    Insurrection is a rising against civil or political authority, — the open >>> and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of law in a >>> city or state. Now, the laws of the United States forbid, under penalty, >>> any person from obstructing or retarding the passage of the mail, and make >>> it the duty of the officers to arrest such offenders, and bring them
    before the court. If, therefore, it shall appear to you that any person or >>> persons have willfully obstructed or retarded the mails, and that their
    attempted arrest for such offense has been opposed by such a number of
    persons as would constitute a general uprising in that particular
    locality, and as threatens for the time being the civil and political
    authority, then the fact of an insurrection, within the meaning of the
    law, has been established; and he who by speech, writing, or other
    inducement assists in setting it on foot, or carrying it along, or gives >>> it aid or comfort, is guilty of a violation of laAv. It is not necessary >>> that there should be bloodshed; it is not necessary that its dimensions
    should be so portentous as to insure probable success, to constitute an
    insurrection. It is necessary, however, that the rising should be in
    opposition to the execution of the laws of the United States, and should >>> be so formidable as for the time being to defy the authority of the United >>> States. When men gather to resist the cml or political power of the United >>> States, or to oppose the execution of its laws, and are in such force that >>> the civil authorities are inadequate to put them down, and a considerable >>> military force is needed to accomplish that result, they become
    insurgents; and every person who knowingly incites, aids, or abets them, >>> no matter what his motUes may be, is likewise an insurgent. The penalty
    for the offense is seA-ere, and, as I have said, is designed to protect
    the government and its authority against direct attack. There are other
    provisions of law designed to protect those particular agencies which come >>> within governmental control. To these I will now call your attention.

    The mails are in the special keeping of the government and laws of the
    United States. To insure their unhindered transmission, it is made an
    offense to knowingly and willfully obstruct or retard the passage of the >>> mail, or any carriage, horse, driver, or carrier carrying the same. It is >>> also proA’ided that “if two or more persons conspire together to commit >>> any offense against the United States and one or more of such parties do >>> any act to effect the object of the conspiracy,” all the parties thereto >>> shall be subject to a penalty. Any person knowingly and willfully doing
    any act which contributes, or is calculated to contribute, to obstructing >>> or hindering the mails, or who knowingly and willfully takes a part in
    such *831acts, no matter how trivial, if intentional, is guilty of
    violating the first of these provisions; and any person who conspires with >>> one or more persons, one of whom subsequently commits the offense, is
    likewise guilty of an offense against the United States. What constitutes >>> conspiracy to hinder or obstruct the mails will be touched upon in
    connection with the subject to which 1 now call your attention.

    The constitution places the regulation of commerce between the several
    states, and between the states and foreign nations, within the keeping of >>> the United States government. Anything which is designed to be transported >>> for commercial purposes from one state to another, and is actually in
    transit, and any passenger who’ is actually engaged in any such interstate
    commercial transaction, and any car or carriage actually transporting or >>> engaged in transporting such passenger or thing, are the agencies and
    subject-matter of interstate commerce, and any conspiracy in restraint of >>> such trade or commerce is an offense against the United States. To
    restrain is to prohibit, limit, confine, or abridge a thing. The restraint >>> may be permanent or temporary. It may be intended to prohibit, limit, or >>> abridge for all time, or for a day only. The law draws no distinction in >>> this respect. Commerce of this character is intended to be free, except
    subject to regulation by law, at all times, and for all periods. Temporary >>> restraint is therefore as intolerable as permanent, and practical
    restraint by actual physical interference, as criminal as that which flows >>> from the arrangements of business and organization. Any physical
    interference, therefore, which has the effect of restraining any
    passenger, car, or thing constituting an element of interstate commerce, >>> forms the foundation for this offense. But to complete this offense, as
    also that of conspiracy to obstruct the mails, there must exist, in
    addition to the overt act and purpose, the element of criminal conspiracy. >>>

    In Portland Oregon, businesses were burned and damaged in protest again
    the federal government.

    In Portland Oregon, federal buildings were attacked and damaged.

    <https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/21/portland-riots-read-out-july-21>

    In Seattle washington, federal buildings were attacked and damaged.

    <https://interdependentcourts.com/2021/01/24/another-federal-courthouse- >>> attacked-by-a-mob/>

    Are those attacks not the very definition of the cite and judge?

    Yes they are.

    Why weren't Antifa insurrectionists charged with insurrection?

    An excellent question.

    No. Those really were only riots. They were not intended to change the government. The Jan 06 insurrection *was* intended to change the government.

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to David Hartung on Mon Oct 3 07:21:46 2022
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, res.sport.tennis, alt.politics.democrats.d
    XPost: talk.politics.guns

    On 10/3/2022 5:17 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 10/3/22 05:16, Mary E. Junck Chairman wrote:
    In article <thdblq$1odes$1@news.mixmin.net>
    Lawless democrats <unequal@law.usa> wrote:

    On 02 Oct 2022, Rudy Canoza <rc@cap.con> posted some
    news:POh_K.112014$tRy7.30564@fx36.iad:

    On 10/2/2022 6:10 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 10/2/22 07:42, Siri Cruise wrote:
    In article <tIicnajLn_4ywKT-nZ2dnZfqn_pj4p2d@giganews.com>,
      David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:

    attempt to overthrow the US government by using a mob to invade the >>>>>>> capital building is idiotic to the point of being unbelievable.

    Too late. Judges have already recognised it as 14th Amendment
    Section 3 insurrection and keeping participants out of elected
    office.

    Example please?

    You are such a stupid fucking shitbag.

    "Judge calls Jan. 6 an ‘insurrection,’ bars ‘Cowboys for
    Trump’ founder from office"
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/06/judge-calls-jan-6-an-insurrection-bars- >>>> cowboys-for-trump-founder-from-office.html

    *You have already commented on this*, *you stupid fucking asshole*

    Obviously you thought you could improve on your personal definition of
    stupidity by demonstrating yours.

    <https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-
    content/uploads/2022/09/D101CV202200473-griffin.pdf>

    Let's cite the specific language entered into record by the Judge from a >>> notably left wing blue-voting parasitic state.

    "The government of the United States has enacted laws designed, first, to >>> protect itself and its authority as a government, and, secondly, its
    control over those agencies to which, under the constitution and laws, it >>> extends govermental regulation.  For the former purpose, --namely, to
    protect itself and its authority as a government,--it has enacted that
    every person who incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in, any
    rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or
    the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, 'and any two or more
    persons in any state or territory who conspire to overthrow, put down, or >>> destroy by force the government of the United States, or to levy wara
    against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof; or by force to >>> prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the United States
    contrary to the authority thereof, 'shall be visited with certain
    penalties there named.

    Insurrection is a rising against civil or political authority,--the open >>> and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of law in a >>> city or state.  Now, the laws of the United States forbid, under penalty, >>> any person from obstruction or retarding the passage of the mail, and make >>> it the official duty of the officers to arrest such offenders, and bring >>> them before the court.  If, therefore, it shall appear to you that any
    person or persons have willfully obstructed or retarded the mails, and
    that their attemnpted arrest for such offense has ben opposed by such a
    number of persons as would constitute a general uprising in that
    particular locality, then the fact of an insurrection, within the meaning >>> of the law, has been established; and he who by speech, writing, or other >>> inducement assists in setting it on foot, or carrying it along, or gives >>> it aid or comfort, is guilty of a violation of law.  It is not necessary >>> that there be bloodshed; it is not necessary that its dimensions should be >>> so portentous as to insure probable success, to constitute an
    insurrection.  It is necessary, however, that the rising should be in
    opposition to the execution of the laws of the United States, and should >>> be so formidable as for the time being to defy the authority of the United >>> States."


    Now let's provide the cite this lazy purveyor of the law used to form and >>> write his half-assed instructions and opinion.



    https://cite.case.law/f/62/828/

    Insurrection is a rising against civil or political authority, — the open >>> and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of law in a >>> city or state. Now, the laws of the United States forbid, under penalty, >>> any person from obstructing or retarding the passage of the mail, and make >>> it the duty of the officers to arrest such offenders, and bring them
    before the court. If, therefore, it shall appear to you that any person or >>> persons have willfully obstructed or retarded the mails, and that their
    attempted arrest for such offense has been opposed by such a number of
    persons as would constitute a general uprising in that particular
    locality, and as threatens for the time being the civil and political
    authority, then the fact of an insurrection, within the meaning of the
    law, has been established; and he who by speech, writing, or other
    inducement assists in setting it on foot, or carrying it along, or gives >>> it aid or comfort, is guilty of a violation of laAv. It is not necessary >>> that there should be bloodshed; it is not necessary that its dimensions
    should be so portentous as to insure probable success, to constitute an
    insurrection. It is necessary, however, that the rising should be in
    opposition to the execution of the laws of the United States, and should >>> be so formidable as for the time being to defy the authority of the United >>> States. When men gather to resist the cml or political power of the United >>> States, or to oppose the execution of its laws, and are in such force that >>> the civil authorities are inadequate to put them down, and a considerable >>> military force is needed to accomplish that result, they become
    insurgents; and every person who knowingly incites, aids, or abets them, >>> no matter what his motUes may be, is likewise an insurgent. The penalty
    for the offense is seA-ere, and, as I have said, is designed to protect
    the government and its authority against direct attack. There are other
    provisions of law designed to protect those particular agencies which come >>> within governmental control. To these I will now call your attention.

    The mails are in the special keeping of the government and laws of the
    United States. To insure their unhindered transmission, it is made an
    offense to knowingly and willfully obstruct or retard the passage of the >>> mail, or any carriage, horse, driver, or carrier carrying the same. It is >>> also proA’ided that “if two or more persons conspire together to commit >>> any offense against the United States and one or more of such parties do >>> any act to effect the object of the conspiracy,” all the parties thereto >>> shall be subject to a penalty. Any person knowingly and willfully doing
    any act which contributes, or is calculated to contribute, to obstructing >>> or hindering the mails, or who knowingly and willfully takes a part in
    such *831acts, no matter how trivial, if intentional, is guilty of
    violating the first of these provisions; and any person who conspires with >>> one or more persons, one of whom subsequently commits the offense, is
    likewise guilty of an offense against the United States. What constitutes >>> conspiracy to hinder or obstruct the mails will be touched upon in
    connection with the subject to which 1 now call your attention.

    The constitution places the regulation of commerce between the several
    states, and between the states and foreign nations, within the keeping of >>> the United States government. Anything which is designed to be transported >>> for commercial purposes from one state to another, and is actually in
    transit, and any passenger who’ is actually engaged in any such interstate
    commercial transaction, and any car or carriage actually transporting or >>> engaged in transporting such passenger or thing, are the agencies and
    subject-matter of interstate commerce, and any conspiracy in restraint of >>> such trade or commerce is an offense against the United States. To
    restrain is to prohibit, limit, confine, or abridge a thing. The restraint >>> may be permanent or temporary. It may be intended to prohibit, limit, or >>> abridge for all time, or for a day only. The law draws no distinction in >>> this respect. Commerce of this character is intended to be free, except
    subject to regulation by law, at all times, and for all periods. Temporary >>> restraint is therefore as intolerable as permanent, and practical
    restraint by actual physical interference, as criminal as that which flows >>> from the arrangements of business and organization. Any physical
    interference, therefore, which has the effect of restraining any
    passenger, car, or thing constituting an element of interstate commerce, >>> forms the foundation for this offense. But to complete this offense, as
    also that of conspiracy to obstruct the mails, there must exist, in
    addition to the overt act and purpose, the element of criminal conspiracy. >>>

    In Portland Oregon, businesses were burned and damaged in protest again
    the federal government.

    In Portland Oregon, federal buildings were attacked and damaged.

    <https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/21/portland-riots-read-out-july-21>

    In Seattle washington, federal buildings were attacked and damaged.

    <https://interdependentcourts.com/2021/01/24/another-federal-courthouse- >>> attacked-by-a-mob/>

    Are those attacks not the very definition of the cite and judge?

    Yes they are.

    Why weren't Antifa insurrectionists charged with insurrection?

    An excellent question.

    No. Those really were only riots. They were not intended to change the government. The Jan 06 insurrection *was* intended to change the government.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to David Hartung on Mon Oct 3 08:01:46 2022
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, res.sport.tennis, alt.politics.democrats.d
    XPost: talk.politics.guns

    On 10/3/2022 7:48 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 10/3/22 09:06, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 10/3/2022 5:17 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 10/3/22 05:16, Mary E. Junck Chairman wrote:
    In article <thdblq$1odes$1@news.mixmin.net>
    Lawless democrats <unequal@law.usa> wrote:

    On 02 Oct 2022, Rudy Canoza <rc@cap.con> posted some
    news:POh_K.112014$tRy7.30564@fx36.iad:

    On 10/2/2022 6:10 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 10/2/22 07:42, Siri Cruise wrote:
    In article <tIicnajLn_4ywKT-nZ2dnZfqn_pj4p2d@giganews.com>,
      David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:

    attempt to overthrow the US government by using a mob to invade the >>>>>>>>> capital building is idiotic to the point of being unbelievable. >>>>>>>>
    Too late. Judges have already recognised it as 14th Amendment
    Section 3 insurrection and keeping participants out of elected >>>>>>>> office.

    Example please?

    You are such a stupid fucking shitbag.

    "Judge calls Jan. 6 an ‘insurrection,’ bars ‘Cowboys for
    Trump’ founder from office"
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/06/judge-calls-jan-6-an-insurrection-bars- >>>>>> cowboys-for-trump-founder-from-office.html

    *You have already commented on this*, *you stupid fucking asshole*

    Obviously you thought you could improve on your personal definition of >>>>> stupidity by demonstrating yours.

    <https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-
    content/uploads/2022/09/D101CV202200473-griffin.pdf>

    Let's cite the specific language entered into record by the Judge from a >>>>> notably left wing blue-voting parasitic state.

    "The government of the United States has enacted laws designed, first, to >>>>> protect itself and its authority as a government, and, secondly, its >>>>> control over those agencies to which, under the constitution and laws, it >>>>> extends govermental regulation.  For the former purpose, --namely, to >>>>> protect itself and its authority as a government,--it has enacted that >>>>> every person who incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in, any
    rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or >>>>> the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, 'and any two or more >>>>> persons in any state or territory who conspire to overthrow, put down, or >>>>> destroy by force the government of the United States, or to levy wara >>>>> against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof; or by force to >>>>> prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the United States >>>>> contrary to the authority thereof, 'shall be visited with certain
    penalties there named.

    Insurrection is a rising against civil or political authority,--the open >>>>> and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of law in a >>>>> city or state.  Now, the laws of the United States forbid, under penalty,
    any person from obstruction or retarding the passage of the mail, and make
    it the official duty of the officers to arrest such offenders, and bring >>>>> them before the court.  If, therefore, it shall appear to you that any >>>>> person or persons have willfully obstructed or retarded the mails, and >>>>> that their attemnpted arrest for such offense has ben opposed by such a >>>>> number of persons as would constitute a general uprising in that
    particular locality, then the fact of an insurrection, within the meaning >>>>> of the law, has been established; and he who by speech, writing, or other >>>>> inducement assists in setting it on foot, or carrying it along, or gives >>>>> it aid or comfort, is guilty of a violation of law.  It is not necessary >>>>> that there be bloodshed; it is not necessary that its dimensions should be
    so portentous as to insure probable success, to constitute an
    insurrection.  It is necessary, however, that the rising should be in >>>>> opposition to the execution of the laws of the United States, and should >>>>> be so formidable as for the time being to defy the authority of the United
    States."


    Now let's provide the cite this lazy purveyor of the law used to form and >>>>> write his half-assed instructions and opinion.



    https://cite.case.law/f/62/828/

    Insurrection is a rising against civil or political authority, — the open
    and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of law in a >>>>> city or state. Now, the laws of the United States forbid, under penalty, >>>>> any person from obstructing or retarding the passage of the mail, and make
    it the duty of the officers to arrest such offenders, and bring them >>>>> before the court. If, therefore, it shall appear to you that any person or
    persons have willfully obstructed or retarded the mails, and that their >>>>> attempted arrest for such offense has been opposed by such a number of >>>>> persons as would constitute a general uprising in that particular
    locality, and as threatens for the time being the civil and political >>>>> authority, then the fact of an insurrection, within the meaning of the >>>>> law, has been established; and he who by speech, writing, or other
    inducement assists in setting it on foot, or carrying it along, or gives >>>>> it aid or comfort, is guilty of a violation of laAv. It is not necessary >>>>> that there should be bloodshed; it is not necessary that its dimensions >>>>> should be so portentous as to insure probable success, to constitute an >>>>> insurrection. It is necessary, however, that the rising should be in >>>>> opposition to the execution of the laws of the United States, and should >>>>> be so formidable as for the time being to defy the authority of the United
    States. When men gather to resist the cml or political power of the United
    States, or to oppose the execution of its laws, and are in such force that
    the civil authorities are inadequate to put them down, and a considerable >>>>> military force is needed to accomplish that result, they become
    insurgents; and every person who knowingly incites, aids, or abets them, >>>>> no matter what his motUes may be, is likewise an insurgent. The penalty >>>>> for the offense is seA-ere, and, as I have said, is designed to protect >>>>> the government and its authority against direct attack. There are other >>>>> provisions of law designed to protect those particular agencies which come
    within governmental control. To these I will now call your attention. >>>>>
    The mails are in the special keeping of the government and laws of the >>>>> United States. To insure their unhindered transmission, it is made an >>>>> offense to knowingly and willfully obstruct or retard the passage of the >>>>> mail, or any carriage, horse, driver, or carrier carrying the same. It is >>>>> also proA’ided that “if two or more persons conspire together to commit
    any offense against the United States and one or more of such parties do >>>>> any act to effect the object of the conspiracy,” all the parties thereto
    shall be subject to a penalty. Any person knowingly and willfully doing >>>>> any act which contributes, or is calculated to contribute, to obstructing >>>>> or hindering the mails, or who knowingly and willfully takes a part in >>>>> such *831acts, no matter how trivial, if intentional, is guilty of
    violating the first of these provisions; and any person who conspires with
    one or more persons, one of whom subsequently commits the offense, is >>>>> likewise guilty of an offense against the United States. What constitutes >>>>> conspiracy to hinder or obstruct the mails will be touched upon in
    connection with the subject to which 1 now call your attention.

    The constitution places the regulation of commerce between the several >>>>> states, and between the states and foreign nations, within the keeping of >>>>> the United States government. Anything which is designed to be transported
    for commercial purposes from one state to another, and is actually in >>>>> transit, and any passenger who’ is actually engaged in any such interstate
    commercial transaction, and any car or carriage actually transporting or >>>>> engaged in transporting such passenger or thing, are the agencies and >>>>> subject-matter of interstate commerce, and any conspiracy in restraint of >>>>> such trade or commerce is an offense against the United States. To
    restrain is to prohibit, limit, confine, or abridge a thing. The restraint
    may be permanent or temporary. It may be intended to prohibit, limit, or >>>>> abridge for all time, or for a day only. The law draws no distinction in >>>>> this respect. Commerce of this character is intended to be free, except >>>>> subject to regulation by law, at all times, and for all periods. Temporary
    restraint is therefore as intolerable as permanent, and practical
    restraint by actual physical interference, as criminal as that which flows
    from the arrangements of business and organization. Any physical
    interference, therefore, which has the effect of restraining any
    passenger, car, or thing constituting an element of interstate commerce, >>>>> forms the foundation for this offense. But to complete this offense, as >>>>> also that of conspiracy to obstruct the mails, there must exist, in
    addition to the overt act and purpose, the element of criminal conspiracy.


    In Portland Oregon, businesses were burned and damaged in protest again >>>>> the federal government.

    In Portland Oregon, federal buildings were attacked and damaged.

    <https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/21/portland-riots-read-out-july-21> >>>>>
    In Seattle washington, federal buildings were attacked and damaged.

    <https://interdependentcourts.com/2021/01/24/another-federal-courthouse- >>>>> attacked-by-a-mob/>

    Are those attacks not the very definition of the cite and judge?

    Yes they are.

    Why weren't Antifa insurrectionists

    No such thing. "antifa" is not an organization. It is a label people apply to themselves. There were no insurrectionists in Seattle or Portland. The only insurrection in living memory was the one Trump organized and directed on Jan 06, 2021.


    An excellent question.

    No.  Those really were only riots.  They were not intended to change the >> government.  The Jan 06 insurrection *was* intended to change the government.

    Both declared their areas to be autonomous from duly constituted government.

    No such thing occurred in Portland. As for Seattle, the municipal government of
    the city was never overturned and never threatened.

    There was no "antifa" insurrection.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From David Hartung@21:1/5 to Rudy Canoza on Mon Oct 3 09:48:30 2022
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, res.sport.tennis, alt.politics.democrats.d
    XPost: talk.politics.guns

    On 10/3/22 09:06, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 10/3/2022 5:17 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 10/3/22 05:16, Mary E. Junck Chairman wrote:
    In article <thdblq$1odes$1@news.mixmin.net>
    Lawless democrats <unequal@law.usa> wrote:

    On 02 Oct 2022, Rudy Canoza <rc@cap.con> posted some
    news:POh_K.112014$tRy7.30564@fx36.iad:

    On 10/2/2022 6:10 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 10/2/22 07:42, Siri Cruise wrote:
    In article <tIicnajLn_4ywKT-nZ2dnZfqn_pj4p2d@giganews.com>,
      David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:

    attempt to overthrow the US government by using a mob to invade the >>>>>>>> capital building is idiotic to the point of being unbelievable. >>>>>>>
    Too late. Judges have already recognised it as 14th Amendment
    Section 3 insurrection and keeping participants out of elected
    office.

    Example please?

    You are such a stupid fucking shitbag.

    "Judge calls Jan. 6 an ‘insurrection,’ bars ‘Cowboys for
    Trump’ founder from office"
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/06/judge-calls-jan-6-an-insurrection-bars- >>>>>
    cowboys-for-trump-founder-from-office.html

    *You have already commented on this*, *you stupid fucking asshole*

    Obviously you thought you could improve on your personal definition of >>>> stupidity by demonstrating yours.

    <https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-
    content/uploads/2022/09/D101CV202200473-griffin.pdf>

    Let's cite the specific language entered into record by the Judge
    from a
    notably left wing blue-voting parasitic state.

    "The government of the United States has enacted laws designed,
    first, to
    protect itself and its authority as a government, and, secondly, its
    control over those agencies to which, under the constitution and
    laws, it
    extends govermental regulation.  For the former purpose, --namely, to >>>> protect itself and its authority as a government,--it has enacted that >>>> every person who incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in, any
    rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or >>>> the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, 'and any two or more >>>> persons in any state or territory who conspire to overthrow, put
    down, or
    destroy by force the government of the United States, or to levy wara
    against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof; or by
    force to
    prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the United States >>>> contrary to the authority thereof, 'shall be visited with certain
    penalties there named.

    Insurrection is a rising against civil or political authority,--the
    open
    and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of law
    in a
    city or state.  Now, the laws of the United States forbid, under
    penalty,
    any person from obstruction or retarding the passage of the mail,
    and make
    it the official duty of the officers to arrest such offenders, and
    bring
    them before the court.  If, therefore, it shall appear to you that any >>>> person or persons have willfully obstructed or retarded the mails, and >>>> that their attemnpted arrest for such offense has ben opposed by such a >>>> number of persons as would constitute a general uprising in that
    particular locality, then the fact of an insurrection, within the
    meaning
    of the law, has been established; and he who by speech, writing, or
    other
    inducement assists in setting it on foot, or carrying it along, or
    gives
    it aid or comfort, is guilty of a violation of law.  It is not
    necessary
    that there be bloodshed; it is not necessary that its dimensions
    should be
    so portentous as to insure probable success, to constitute an
    insurrection.  It is necessary, however, that the rising should be in >>>> opposition to the execution of the laws of the United States, and
    should
    be so formidable as for the time being to defy the authority of the
    United
    States."


    Now let's provide the cite this lazy purveyor of the law used to
    form and
    write his half-assed instructions and opinion.



    https://cite.case.law/f/62/828/

    Insurrection is a rising against civil or political authority, — the >>>> open
    and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of law
    in a
    city or state. Now, the laws of the United States forbid, under
    penalty,
    any person from obstructing or retarding the passage of the mail,
    and make
    it the duty of the officers to arrest such offenders, and bring them
    before the court. If, therefore, it shall appear to you that any
    person or
    persons have willfully obstructed or retarded the mails, and that their >>>> attempted arrest for such offense has been opposed by such a number of >>>> persons as would constitute a general uprising in that particular
    locality, and as threatens for the time being the civil and political
    authority, then the fact of an insurrection, within the meaning of the >>>> law, has been established; and he who by speech, writing, or other
    inducement assists in setting it on foot, or carrying it along, or
    gives
    it aid or comfort, is guilty of a violation of laAv. It is not
    necessary
    that there should be bloodshed; it is not necessary that its dimensions >>>> should be so portentous as to insure probable success, to constitute an >>>> insurrection. It is necessary, however, that the rising should be in
    opposition to the execution of the laws of the United States, and
    should
    be so formidable as for the time being to defy the authority of the
    United
    States. When men gather to resist the cml or political power of the
    United
    States, or to oppose the execution of its laws, and are in such
    force that
    the civil authorities are inadequate to put them down, and a
    considerable
    military force is needed to accomplish that result, they become
    insurgents; and every person who knowingly incites, aids, or abets
    them,
    no matter what his motUes may be, is likewise an insurgent. The penalty >>>> for the offense is seA-ere, and, as I have said, is designed to protect >>>> the government and its authority against direct attack. There are other >>>> provisions of law designed to protect those particular agencies
    which come
    within governmental control. To these I will now call your attention.

    The mails are in the special keeping of the government and laws of the >>>> United States. To insure their unhindered transmission, it is made an
    offense to knowingly and willfully obstruct or retard the passage of
    the
    mail, or any carriage, horse, driver, or carrier carrying the same.
    It is
    also proA’ided that “if two or more persons conspire together to commit
    any offense against the United States and one or more of such
    parties do
    any act to effect the object of the conspiracy,” all the parties
    thereto
    shall be subject to a penalty. Any person knowingly and willfully doing >>>> any act which contributes, or is calculated to contribute, to
    obstructing
    or hindering the mails, or who knowingly and willfully takes a part in >>>> such *831acts, no matter how trivial, if intentional, is guilty of
    violating the first of these provisions; and any person who
    conspires with
    one or more persons, one of whom subsequently commits the offense, is
    likewise guilty of an offense against the United States. What
    constitutes
    conspiracy to hinder or obstruct the mails will be touched upon in
    connection with the subject to which 1 now call your attention.

    The constitution places the regulation of commerce between the several >>>> states, and between the states and foreign nations, within the
    keeping of
    the United States government. Anything which is designed to be
    transported
    for commercial purposes from one state to another, and is actually in
    transit, and any passenger who’ is actually engaged in any such
    interstate
    commercial transaction, and any car or carriage actually
    transporting or
    engaged in transporting such passenger or thing, are the agencies and
    subject-matter of interstate commerce, and any conspiracy in
    restraint of
    such trade or commerce is an offense against the United States. To
    restrain is to prohibit, limit, confine, or abridge a thing. The
    restraint
    may be permanent or temporary. It may be intended to prohibit,
    limit, or
    abridge for all time, or for a day only. The law draws no
    distinction in
    this respect. Commerce of this character is intended to be free, except >>>> subject to regulation by law, at all times, and for all periods.
    Temporary
    restraint is therefore as intolerable as permanent, and practical
    restraint by actual physical interference, as criminal as that which
    flows
    from the arrangements of business and organization. Any physical
    interference, therefore, which has the effect of restraining any
    passenger, car, or thing constituting an element of interstate
    commerce,
    forms the foundation for this offense. But to complete this offense, as >>>> also that of conspiracy to obstruct the mails, there must exist, in
    addition to the overt act and purpose, the element of criminal
    conspiracy.


    In Portland Oregon, businesses were burned and damaged in protest again >>>> the federal government.

    In Portland Oregon, federal buildings were attacked and damaged.

    <https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/21/portland-riots-read-out-july-21>

    In Seattle washington, federal buildings were attacked and damaged.

    <https://interdependentcourts.com/2021/01/24/another-federal-courthouse- >>>>
    attacked-by-a-mob/>

    Are those attacks not the very definition of the cite and judge?

    Yes they are.

    Why weren't Antifa insurrectionists charged with insurrection?

    An excellent question.

    No.  Those really were only riots.  They were not intended to change the government.  The Jan 06 insurrection *was* intended to change the government.

    Both declared their areas to be autonomous from duly constituted
    government. As such, they can reasonably considered to be insurrections.
    More to the point, had the instigators of both the Antifa and Occupy
    autonomous ares been right wing, you would be calling them insurrections.

    The Jan 6 fiasco was nothing more than an unorganized riot that the
    Democrats are using as a tool to discredit their opponents. Like the
    gullible progressive you are, you have bought into it completely.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to David Hartung on Tue Oct 4 02:08:03 2022
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, res.sport.tennis, alt.politics.democrats.d
    XPost: talk.politics.guns

    David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in news:xYGdncLjM9-ia6f-nZ2dnZfqnPhi4p2d@giganews.com:



    The Jan 6 fiasco was nothing more than an unorganized riot that the
    Democrats are using as a tool to discredit their opponents.


    Unorganized?

    Explain how the insurrectionists were
    carrying handcuffs, body armor, and even
    a scaffold to hang Mike Pence from.

    Do Trump supporters normally carry
    that stuff to Trump rallies?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to David Hartung on Mon Oct 3 20:01:49 2022
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, res.sport.tennis, alt.politics.democrats.d
    XPost: talk.politics.guns

    On 10/3/2022 7:48 AM, David Hartung wrote:


    The Jan 6 fiasco was nothing more than an unorganized riot that

    That's a lie. The insurrection was a *highly* coordinated event that the right-wingnut terrorist groups — "proud boys," "oath keepers," "3 percenters,"
    et al. — were planning, with Trump's inner circle, for months.

    It was an insurrection. It was an event intended to change the entire course of
    government of the United States. Trump phoned an insurrectionist from the White
    House *while* the insurrection was going on.

    It was an insurrection. It bore no resemblance in any way to unrest of the previous summer. *Those* were unplanned demonstrations, a very few of which devolved into riots.

    Jan 06 was an insurrection. This is settled.

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