• Ain't It Great?

    From kmiller@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 26 18:18:34 2022
    he ripple effect of the U.S. Supreme Court decision on Roe v. Wade is
    being felt in Louisiana, where a woman says she was not able to
    terminate her pregnancy after being told that her unborn child would
    likely die due to a birth defect.

    Around 10 weeks into her pregnancy, Nancy Davis, a Black woman with a
    partner and three children, said doctors told her that her baby would be
    born with acrania, a rare abnormality that occurs when a fetus lacks a
    skull.

    Davis said her condition meant that the fetus would likely be stillborn
    or die within the first week of life. Medical professionals recommended
    an abortion but said they couldn’t provide one because of the state’s abortion ban.

    "Basically, they said I had to carry my baby to bury my baby," Davis
    said as she stood with her family and civil rights attorney Benjamin
    Crump outside the Louisiana state Capitol on Friday.

    Davis said her doctors were unsure if they could legally perform the
    abortion due to Louisiana’s law, which states that abortion is banned
    except to prevent the patient's death or in cases of "substantial risk
    of death due to a physical condition, or to prevent the serious,
    permanent impairment of a life-sustaining organ of a pregnant woman."

    According to the Louisiana Department of Health, the ban has exemptions
    for "medically futile" pregnancies, which include a number of fetal abnormalities.

    "They seemed confused about the law and afraid of what would happen to
    them if they performed a criminal abortion," Davis said. "Now I am
    preparing to go out of state for this procedure next week. I want you to imagine what it's been like to continue this pregnancy for another six
    weeks after this diagnosis."

    Davis said a doctor recommended an abortion and said they would perform
    it for several thousand dollars. But then, she said, the administrator
    at the facility, Woman's Hospital in Baton Rouge, La., said they could
    not perform the procedure due to the overturning of Roe and the strict
    "baby termination laws" in Louisiana.

    https://news.yahoo.com/la-woman-denied-an-abortion-for-fetus-without-skull-says-shell-seek-the-procedure-out-of-state-201409661.html

    I'm sure the anti-abortionists will step forward to take care of this
    child if it were carried to term... Riiiight....

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  • From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to kmiller on Sat Aug 27 14:35:24 2022
    kmiller <i09172@removethisspamblockerstuff-yahoo.com> wrote:
    he ripple effect of the U.S. Supreme Court decision on Roe v. Wade is
    being felt in Louisiana, where a woman says she was not able to
    terminate her pregnancy after being told that her unborn child would
    likely die due to a birth defect.

    Around 10 weeks into her pregnancy, Nancy Davis, a Black woman with a
    partner and three children, said doctors told her that her baby would be
    born with acrania, a rare abnormality that occurs when a fetus lacks a
    skull.

    Davis said her condition meant that the fetus would likely be stillborn
    or die within the first week of life. Medical professionals recommended
    an abortion but said they couldn’t provide one because of the state’s abortion ban.

    "Basically, they said I had to carry my baby to bury my baby," Davis
    said as she stood with her family and civil rights attorney Benjamin
    Crump outside the Louisiana state Capitol on Friday.

    Davis said her doctors were unsure if they could legally perform the
    abortion due to Louisiana’s law, which states that abortion is banned except to prevent the patient's death or in cases of "substantial risk
    of death due to a physical condition, or to prevent the serious,
    permanent impairment of a life-sustaining organ of a pregnant woman."

    According to the Louisiana Department of Health, the ban has exemptions
    for "medically futile" pregnancies, which include a number of fetal abnormalities.

    "They seemed confused about the law and afraid of what would happen to
    them if they performed a criminal abortion," Davis said. "Now I am
    preparing to go out of state for this procedure next week. I want you to imagine what it's been like to continue this pregnancy for another six
    weeks after this diagnosis."

    Davis said a doctor recommended an abortion and said they would perform
    it for several thousand dollars. But then, she said, the administrator
    at the facility, Woman's Hospital in Baton Rouge, La., said they could
    not perform the procedure due to the overturning of Roe and the strict
    "baby termination laws" in Louisiana.

    https://news.yahoo.com/la-woman-denied-an-abortion-for-fetus-without-skull-says-shell-seek-the-procedure-out-of-state-201409661.html

    I'm sure the anti-abortionists will step forward to take care of this
    child if it were carried to term... Riiiight....


    It’s the job of hospital administrators to know… and understand the law. Furthermore, I’m sure they have access to people who are knowledgable about the law. There will always be exceptions. Why don’t you post articles about the millions of healthy babies who have been murdered in the name of birth prevention.

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    Liz Cheney’s pronouns… over/out.

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to kmiller on Sat Aug 27 09:08:41 2022
    On 8/26/2022 6:18 PM, kmiller wrote:
    he ripple effect of the U.S. Supreme Court decision on Roe v. Wade is
    being felt in Louisiana, where a woman says she was not able to
    terminate her pregnancy after being told that her unborn child would
    likely die due to a birth defect.

    Around 10 weeks into her pregnancy, Nancy Davis, a Black woman with a
    partner and three children, said doctors told her that her baby would be
    born with acrania, a rare abnormality that occurs when a fetus lacks a
    skull.

    Davis said her condition meant that the fetus would likely be stillborn
    or die within the first week of life. Medical professionals recommended
    an abortion but said they couldn’t provide one because of the state’s abortion ban.

    "Basically, they said I had to carry my baby to bury my baby," Davis
    said as she stood with her family and civil rights attorney Benjamin
    Crump outside the Louisiana state Capitol on Friday.

    Davis said her doctors were unsure if they could legally perform the
    abortion due to Louisiana’s law, which states that abortion is banned except to prevent the patient's death or in cases of "substantial risk
    of death due to a physical condition, or to prevent the serious,
    permanent impairment of a life-sustaining organ of a pregnant woman."

    According to the Louisiana Department of Health, the ban has exemptions
    for "medically futile" pregnancies, which include a number of fetal abnormalities.

    "They seemed confused about the law and afraid of what would happen to
    them if they performed a criminal abortion," Davis said. "Now I am
    preparing to go out of state for this procedure next week. I want you to imagine what it's been like to continue this pregnancy for another six
    weeks after this diagnosis."

    Davis said a doctor recommended an abortion and said they would perform
    it for several thousand dollars. But then, she said, the administrator
    at the facility, Woman's Hospital in Baton Rouge, La., said they could
    not perform the procedure due to the overturning of Roe and the strict
    "baby termination laws" in Louisiana.

    https://news.yahoo.com/la-woman-denied-an-abortion-for-fetus-without-skull-says-shell-seek-the-procedure-out-of-state-201409661.html


    I'm sure the anti-abortionists will step forward to take care of this
    child if it were carried to term... Riiiight....

    As usual I expect the immoral minority to ignore the problems they created. In their world "the lord will provide" and the people who are
    denied abortions deserve what happens to them, so they have absolutely
    no responsibility. Ain't religion grand!?

    For the most part we're only going to hear about these horror
    stories when women are willing to stand up and go public with an
    extremely personal issue. As usual the people most affected will be
    those who can least afford it. People who can afford it will just go
    somewhere else. The same way they did before Roe v Wade. BUT, the impact
    goes a lot deeper and affects a lot of ordinary everyday people too.

    "A landmark study tracks the lasting effect of having an abortion — or
    being denied one

    May 15, 20225:00 AM ET"

    "Though it's impossible to know exactly what will happen to abortion
    access if Roe v. Wade is overturned, demographer Diana Greene Foster
    does know what happens when someone is denied an abortion. She
    documented it in her groundbreaking yearslong research project, The
    Turnaway Study and her findings provide insight into the ways getting an abortion – or being denied one – affects a person's mental health and economic wellbeing.

    For over 10 years, Dr. Foster and her team of researchers tracked the experiences of women who'd received abortions or who had been denied
    them because of clinic policies on gestational age limits.

    The research team regularly interviewed each of nearly 1,000 women for
    five years and found those who'd been denied abortion experienced worse economic and mental health outcomes than the cohort that received care.
    And 95% of study participants who received an abortion said they made
    the right decision.

    The idea for the Turnaway Study emerged from a 2007 Supreme Court
    abortion case, Gonzales v. Carhart. In the majority opinion upholding a
    ban on a specific procedure used rarely in later abortions, Justice
    Anthony Kennedy speculated that abortions led to poor mental health.
    "While we find no reliable data to measure the phenomenon, it seems unexceptionable to conclude some women come to regret their choice to
    abort the infant life they once created and sustained," he wrote.
    "Severe depression and loss of esteem can follow."

    Kennedy's speculation — and admitted lack of evidence — captured
    Foster's attention, "because you can't make policy based on assumptions
    of what seems reasonable without talking to a representative sample of
    people who actually wanted an abortion," she said. The Turnaway Study fact-checked the justice's guess, finding that not having a wanted
    abortion was more likely to lead to the mental health outcomes he'd
    described than having one.

    The study concluded in 2016, and didn't assess the effects of existing
    abortion restrictions on patients, or anticipate a future in which Roe
    v. Wade is overturned. It also didn't address the experiences of
    transgender and nonbinary people seeking abortion care, who Foster
    suspects may face even more significant access barriers than the women
    who were turned away.
    [snip]

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/05/15/1098347992/a-landmark-study-tracks-the-lasting-effect-of-having-an-abortion-or-being-denied

    The Turnaway Study conducted at the University of California, San
    Francisco, shows that women experience harm from being denied a wanted abortion.* These findings have far-reaching implications for lawmakers,
    judges, health agencies and others as they consider policies that
    restrict abortion access. Denying a woman an abortion creates economic
    hardship and insecurity which lasts
    for years.

    • Women who were turned away and went on to give birth experienced an increase in household poverty lasting at least four years relative to
    those who received an abortion.

    • Years after an abortion denial, women were more likely to not have
    enough money to cover basic living expenses like food, housing and transportation.

    • Being denied an abortion lowered a woman’s credit score, increased a woman’s amount of debt and increased the number of their negative public financial records, such as bankruptcies and evictions.

    Women turned away from getting an abortion are more likely to stay in
    contact with a violent partner. They are also more likely to raise the resulting child alone.

    • Physical violence from the man involved in the pregnancy decreased for women who received abortions but not for the women who were denied
    abortions and gave birth.

    • By five years, women denied abortions were more likely to be raising children alone – without family members or male partners – compared to women who received an abortion.

    The financial wellbeing and development of children is negatively
    impacted when their mothers are denied abortion

    • The children women already have at the time they seek abortions show
    worse child development when their mother is denied an abortion compared
    to the children of women who receive one.

    • Children born as a result of abortion denial are more likely to live
    below the federal poverty level than children born from a subsequent
    pregnancy to women who received the abortion.

    • Carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term is associated with poorer
    maternal bonding, such as feeling trapped or resenting the baby, with
    the child born after abortion denial, compared to the next child born to
    a woman who received an abortion.

    Giving birth is connected to more serious health problems than having an abortion.

    • Women who were denied an abortion and gave birth reported more life-threatening complications like eclampsia and postpartum hemorrhage compared to those who received wanted abortions.

    • Women who were denied an abortion and gave birth instead reported more chronic headaches or migraines, joint pain, and gestational hypertension compared to those who had an abortion.

    • The higher risks of childbirth were tragically demonstrated by two
    women who were denied an abortion and died following delivery. No women
    died from an abortion.

    Women who receive a wanted abortion are more financially stable, set
    more ambitious goals, raise children under more stable conditions, and
    are more likely to have a wanted child later

    https://www.ansirh.org/sites/default/files/publications/files/the_harms_of_denying_a_woman_a_wanted_abortion_4-16-2020.pdf

    TB

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  • From Hank@21:1/5 to kmiller on Mon Aug 29 02:04:34 2022
    On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:18:38 PM UTC-4, kmiller wrote:
    he ripple effect of the U.S. Supreme Court decision on Roe v. Wade is
    being felt in Louisiana, where a woman says she was not able to
    terminate her pregnancy after being told that her unborn child would
    likely die due to a birth defect.

    Around 10 weeks into her pregnancy, Nancy Davis, a Black woman with a partner and three children, said doctors told her that her baby would be born with acrania, a rare abnormality that occurs when a fetus lacks a skull.

    Davis said her condition meant that the fetus would likely be stillborn
    or die within the first week of life. Medical professionals recommended
    an abortion but said they couldn’t provide one because of the state’s abortion ban.

    "Basically, they said I had to carry my baby to bury my baby," Davis
    said as she stood with her family and civil rights attorney Benjamin
    Crump outside the Louisiana state Capitol on Friday.

    Davis said her doctors were unsure if they could legally perform the abortion due to Louisiana’s law, which states that abortion is banned except to prevent the patient's death or in cases of "substantial risk
    of death due to a physical condition, or to prevent the serious,
    permanent impairment of a life-sustaining organ of a pregnant woman."

    According to the Louisiana Department of Health, the ban has exemptions
    for "medically futile" pregnancies, which include a number of fetal abnormalities.

    "They seemed confused about the law and afraid of what would happen to
    them if they performed a criminal abortion," Davis said. "Now I am
    preparing to go out of state for this procedure next week. I want you to imagine what it's been like to continue this pregnancy for another six
    weeks after this diagnosis."

    Davis said a doctor recommended an abortion and said they would perform
    it for several thousand dollars. But then, she said, the administrator
    at the facility, Woman's Hospital in Baton Rouge, La., said they could
    not perform the procedure due to the overturning of Roe and the strict
    "baby termination laws" in Louisiana.

    https://news.yahoo.com/la-woman-denied-an-abortion-for-fetus-without-skull-says-shell-seek-the-procedure-out-of-state-201409661.html

    I'm sure the anti-abortionists will step forward to take care of this
    child if it were carried to term... Riiiight....

    In my running district we had a place where babies were taken that had birth defects such as the one in the article. To me it was sickening to see, but if they called, we had to go. Many didn't die within a few weeks or even a few months and lived for
    years. To me that was cruel. I applaud the staff that worked there. I'm not sure I could work there every day. I'm in favor of abortions.

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