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    From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 25 08:55:59 2022
    "Trump’s tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working class
    for first time

    Economists calculate richest 400 families in US paid an average tax rate
    of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24.2%

    Donald Trump’s tax package the top 0.1% of US households were granted a
    2.5% tax cut that pushed their rate below that of the lower 50% of US
    earners.

    Wed 9 Oct 2019 11.51 EDT

    They were billed as a “middle-class miracle” but according to a new book Donald Trump’s $1.5tn tax cuts have helped billionaires pay a lower rate
    than the working class for the first time in history.

    In 2018 the richest 400 families in the US paid an average effective tax
    rate of 23% while the bottom half of American households paid a rate of
    24.2%, University of California at Berkeley economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman calculate in their new book, The Triumph of Injustice.

    Taxes on the rich have been falling for decades. In 1960 the 400 richest families paid as much as 56% in taxes, by 1980 the rate had fallen to
    40%. But Trump’s tax cuts – his most significant legislative victory – proved a tipping point.
    [snip]

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less

    So, for the retrumplicans, a $1.5 trillion tax cut for the ultra
    rich is no big deal. But $300 billion for people who are making less
    than $125,000 is.

    TB

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  • From Nevermind@21:1/5 to In reply to "Technobarbarian" who on Thu Aug 25 17:19:36 2022
    In reply to "Technobarbarian" who wrote the following:

    "Trumps tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working class
    for first time

    Economists calculate richest 400 families in US paid an average tax rate
    of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24.2%

    Donald Trumps tax package the top 0.1% of US households were granted a
    2.5% tax cut that pushed their rate below that of the lower 50% of US earners.

    Wed 9 Oct 2019 11.51 EDT

    They were billed as a middle-class miracle but according to a new book Donald Trumps $1.5tn tax cuts have helped billionaires pay a lower rate
    than the working class for the first time in history.

    In 2018 the richest 400 families in the US paid an average effective tax
    rate of 23% while the bottom half of American households paid a rate of 24.2%, University of California at Berkeley economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman calculate in their new book, The Triumph of Injustice.

    Taxes on the rich have been falling for decades. In 1960 the 400 richest families paid as much as 56% in taxes, by 1980 the rate had fallen to
    40%. But Trumps tax cuts his most significant legislative victory
    proved a tipping point.
    [snip]

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/ trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less

    So, for the retrumplicans, a $1.5 trillion tax cut for the ultra
    rich is no big deal. But $300 billion for people who are making less
    than $125,000 is.

    TB

    Exactly right. It's as if every single person working in the fast food industry expects to be a billionaire some day, so they are just fine with making
    things as easy as possible for the people who have it as easy as possible.

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  • From Frank Howell@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Fri Aug 26 11:03:19 2022
    Technobarbarian wrote:

    "Trump’s tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working class
    for first time

    Economists calculate richest 400 families in US paid an average tax rate
    of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24.2%

    Donald Trump’s tax package the top 0.1% of US households were granted a 2.5% tax cut that pushed their rate below that of the lower 50% of US earners.

    Wed 9 Oct 2019 11.51 EDT

    They were billed as a “middle-class miracle” but according to a new book Donald Trump’s $1.5tn tax cuts have helped billionaires pay a lower rate than the working class for the first time in history.

    In 2018 the richest 400 families in the US paid an average effective tax
    rate of 23% while the bottom half of American households paid a rate of 24.2%, University of California at Berkeley economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman calculate in their new book, The Triumph of Injustice.

    Taxes on the rich have been falling for decades. In 1960 the 400 richest families paid as much as 56% in taxes, by 1980 the rate had fallen to
    40%. But Trump’s tax cuts – his most significant legislative victory – proved a tipping point.
    [snip]

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less


         So, for the retrumplicans, a $1.5 trillion tax cut for the ultra rich is no big deal. But $300 billion for people who are making less
    than $125,000 is.

    TB
    Googling "bottom 50% pay what?" Comes back with 3% on average for the
    working class. Where do you get your data, from the Guardian?

    --
    Frank Howell

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to Frank Howell on Fri Aug 26 11:46:33 2022
    On 8/26/2022 11:03 AM, Frank Howell wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:

    "Trump’s tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working class
    for first time

    Economists calculate richest 400 families in US paid an average tax
    rate of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24.2%

    Donald Trump’s tax package the top 0.1% of US households were granted
    a 2.5% tax cut that pushed their rate below that of the lower 50% of
    US earners.

    Wed 9 Oct 2019 11.51 EDT

    They were billed as a “middle-class miracle” but according to a new
    book Donald Trump’s $1.5tn tax cuts have helped billionaires pay a
    lower rate than the working class for the first time in history.

    In 2018 the richest 400 families in the US paid an average effective
    tax rate of 23% while the bottom half of American households paid a
    rate of 24.2%, University of California at Berkeley economists
    Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman calculate in their new book, The
    Triumph of Injustice.

    Taxes on the rich have been falling for decades. In 1960 the 400
    richest families paid as much as 56% in taxes, by 1980 the rate had
    fallen to 40%. But Trump’s tax cuts – his most significant legislative >> victory – proved a tipping point.
    [snip]

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less


          So, for the retrumplicans, a $1.5 trillion tax cut for the ultra >> rich is no big deal. But $300 billion for people who are making less
    than $125,000 is.

    TB
    Googling "bottom 50% pay what?" Comes back with 3% on average for the
    working class. Where do you get your data, from the Guardian?


    If we track this number back to its origin it's easy to see the
    reason for 2 different numbers. I assume your number refers to what
    working people pay in Federal income tax. Since you have no reference
    for your number I also assume it doesn't include Social Security taxes,
    which are explicitly regressive. Either way you're a long looooooonnnnng
    way from the total taxes we pay.

    "A new book-length study on the tax burden of the ultrarich begins with
    a startling finding: In 2018, for the first time in history, America’s richest billionaires paid a lower effective tax rate than the working class.

    “The Triumph of Injustice,” by economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel
    Zucman of the University of California at Berkeley, presents a
    first-of-its kind analysis of Americans’ effective tax rates since the
    1960s. It finds that in 2018, the average effective tax rate paid by the richest 400 families in the country was 23 percent, a full percentage
    point lower than the 24.2 percent rate paid by the bottom half of
    American households.

    In 1980, by contrast, the 400 richest had an effective tax rate of 47
    percent. In 1960, that rate was as high as 56 percent. The effective tax
    rate paid by the bottom 50 percent, by contrast, has changed little over
    time.

    The analysis differs from many other published estimates of tax burdens
    by encompassing the totality of taxes Americans pay: not just federal
    income taxes but also corporate taxes, as well as taxes paid at the
    state and local levels. It also includes the burden of about $250
    billion of what Saez and Zucman call “indirect taxes,” such as licenses
    for motor vehicles and businesses."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/10/08/first-time-history-us-billionaires-paid-lower-tax-rate-than-working-class-last-year/

    TB

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  • From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to Frank Howell on Fri Aug 26 15:10:23 2022
    On 8/26/2022 1:03 PM, Frank Howell wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:

    "Trump’s tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working class
    for first time

    Economists calculate richest 400 families in US paid an average tax
    rate of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24.2%

    Donald Trump’s tax package the top 0.1% of US households were granted
    a 2.5% tax cut that pushed their rate below that of the lower 50% of
    US earners.

    Wed 9 Oct 2019 11.51 EDT

    They were billed as a “middle-class miracle” but according to a new
    book Donald Trump’s $1.5tn tax cuts have helped billionaires pay a
    lower rate than the working class for the first time in history.

    In 2018 the richest 400 families in the US paid an average effective
    tax rate of 23% while the bottom half of American households paid a
    rate of 24.2%, University of California at Berkeley economists
    Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman calculate in their new book, The
    Triumph of Injustice.

    Taxes on the rich have been falling for decades. In 1960 the 400
    richest families paid as much as 56% in taxes, by 1980 the rate had
    fallen to 40%. But Trump’s tax cuts – his most significant legislative >> victory – proved a tipping point.
    [snip]

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less


          So, for the retrumplicans, a $1.5 trillion tax cut for the ultra >> rich is no big deal. But $300 billion for people who are making less
    than $125,000 is.

    TB
    Googling "bottom 50% pay what?" Comes back with 3% on average for the
    working class. Where do you get your data, from the Guardian?

    Made up, as usual.

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  • From Nevermind@21:1/5 to In reply to "Technobarbarian" who on Fri Aug 26 20:53:06 2022
    In reply to "Technobarbarian" who wrote the following:

    On 8/26/2022 11:03 AM, Frank Howell wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:

    "Trumps tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working class
    for first time

    Economists calculate richest 400 families in US paid an average tax
    rate of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24.2%

    Donald Trumps tax package the top 0.1% of US households were granted
    a 2.5% tax cut that pushed their rate below that of the lower 50% of
    US earners.

    Wed 9 Oct 2019 11.51 EDT

    They were billed as a middle-class miracle but according to a new
    book Donald Trumps $1.5tn tax cuts have helped billionaires pay a
    lower rate than the working class for the first time in history.

    In 2018 the richest 400 families in the US paid an average effective
    tax rate of 23% while the bottom half of American households paid a
    rate of 24.2%, University of California at Berkeley economists
    Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman calculate in their new book, The
    Triumph of Injustice.

    Taxes on the rich have been falling for decades. In 1960 the 400
    richest families paid as much as 56% in taxes, by 1980 the rate had fallen to 40%. But Trumps tax cuts his most significant legislative victory proved a tipping point.
    [snip]

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/ trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less


    So, for the retrumplicans, a $1.5 trillion tax cut for the ultra rich is no big deal. But $300 billion for people who are making less
    than $125,000 is.

    TB
    Googling "bottom 50% pay what?" Comes back with 3% on average for the working class. Where do you get your data, from the Guardian?


    If we track this number back to its origin it's easy to see the
    reason for 2 different numbers. I assume your number refers to what
    working people pay in Federal income tax. Since you have no reference
    for your number I also assume it doesn't include Social Security taxes,
    which are explicitly regressive. Either way you're a long looooooonnnnng
    way from the total taxes we pay.

    "A new book-length study on the tax burden of the ultrarich begins with
    a startling finding: In 2018, for the first time in history, Americas richest billionaires paid a lower effective tax rate than the working class.

    The Triumph of Injustice, by economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel
    Zucman of the University of California at Berkeley, presents a
    first-of-its kind analysis of Americans effective tax rates since the
    1960s. It finds that in 2018, the average effective tax rate paid by the richest 400 families in the country was 23 percent, a full percentage
    point lower than the 24.2 percent rate paid by the bottom half of
    American households.

    In 1980, by contrast, the 400 richest had an effective tax rate of 47 percent. In 1960, that rate was as high as 56 percent. The effective tax
    rate paid by the bottom 50 percent, by contrast, has changed little over time.

    The analysis differs from many other published estimates of tax burdens
    by encompassing the totality of taxes Americans pay: not just federal
    income taxes but also corporate taxes, as well as taxes paid at the
    state and local levels. It also includes the burden of about $250
    billion of what Saez and Zucman call indirect taxes, such as licenses
    for motor vehicles and businesses."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/10/08/first-time-history-us-billi
    onaires-paid-lower-tax-rate-than-working-class-last-year/

    TB

    Exactly. The people whoc whine that the poor don't pay enough taxes conveniently focus solely on federal income tax and ignore all the other taxes
    and fees. It sure would be cool if they paid attention to the parts of the bible that address how we treat the poor and the less fortunate.

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  • From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to Nevermind on Fri Aug 26 18:33:20 2022
    On 8/26/2022 3:53 PM, Nevermind wrote:
    In reply to "Technobarbarian" who wrote the following:

    On 8/26/2022 11:03 AM, Frank Howell wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:

    "Trump’s tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working class >>>> for first time

    Economists calculate richest 400 families in US paid an average tax
    rate of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24.2%

    Donald Trump’s tax package the top 0.1% of US households were granted >>>> a 2.5% tax cut that pushed their rate below that of the lower 50% of
    US earners.

    Wed 9 Oct 2019 11.51 EDT

    They were billed as a “middle-class miracle” but according to a new >>>> book Donald Trump’s $1.5tn tax cuts have helped billionaires pay a
    lower rate than the working class for the first time in history.

    In 2018 the richest 400 families in the US paid an average effective
    tax rate of 23% while the bottom half of American households paid a
    rate of 24.2%, University of California at Berkeley economists
    Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman calculate in their new book, The
    Triumph of Injustice.

    Taxes on the rich have been falling for decades. In 1960 the 400
    richest families paid as much as 56% in taxes, by 1980 the rate had
    fallen to 40%. But Trump’s tax cuts – his most significant legislative >>>> victory – proved a tipping point.
    [snip]

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/
    trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less


          So, for the retrumplicans, a $1.5 trillion tax cut for the ultra
    rich is no big deal. But $300 billion for people who are making less
    than $125,000 is.

    TB
    Googling "bottom 50% pay what?" Comes back with 3% on average for the
    working class. Where do you get your data, from the Guardian?


    If we track this number back to its origin it's easy to see the
    reason for 2 different numbers. I assume your number refers to what
    working people pay in Federal income tax. Since you have no reference
    for your number I also assume it doesn't include Social Security taxes,
    which are explicitly regressive. Either way you're a long looooooonnnnng
    way from the total taxes we pay.

    "A new book-length study on the tax burden of the ultrarich begins with
    a startling finding: In 2018, for the first time in history, America’s
    richest billionaires paid a lower effective tax rate than the working class. >>
    “The Triumph of Injustice,” by economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel
    Zucman of the University of California at Berkeley, presents a
    first-of-its kind analysis of Americans’ effective tax rates since the
    1960s. It finds that in 2018, the average effective tax rate paid by the
    richest 400 families in the country was 23 percent, a full percentage
    point lower than the 24.2 percent rate paid by the bottom half of
    American households.

    In 1980, by contrast, the 400 richest had an effective tax rate of 47
    percent. In 1960, that rate was as high as 56 percent. The effective tax
    rate paid by the bottom 50 percent, by contrast, has changed little over
    time.

    The analysis differs from many other published estimates of tax burdens
    by encompassing the totality of taxes Americans pay: not just federal
    income taxes but also corporate taxes, as well as taxes paid at the
    state and local levels. It also includes the burden of about $250
    billion of what Saez and Zucman call “indirect taxes,” such as licenses >> for motor vehicles and businesses."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/10/08/first-time-history-us-billi
    onaires-paid-lower-tax-rate-than-working-class-last-year/

    TB

    Exactly. The people whoc whine that the poor don't pay enough taxes conveniently focus solely on federal income tax and ignore all the other taxes
    and fees. It sure would be cool if they paid attention to the parts of the bible that address how we treat the poor and the less fortunate.





    Who writes the tax laws?


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