A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/greenwood-mall-shooting-indiana.html

BTW, CNN said the shooter had a "long-gun rifle". What the hell is that? HawHawHaw!
Dumbasses. And they're gonna be really pissed if he didn't have a
black "assault" weapon with a large magazine.

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On 7/17/2022 10:19 PM, bfh wrote:

A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/greenwood-mall-shooting-indiana.html

BTW, CNN said the shooter had a "long-gun rifle". What the hell is that? HawHawHaw!
Dumbasses. And they're gonna be really pissed if he didn't have a black "assault" weapon with a large magazine.

It's the same as a long rifle gun but different.


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George.Anthony wrote:

On 7/17/2022 10:19 PM, bfh wrote:

A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/greenwood-mall-shooting-indiana.html >>

BTW, CNN said the shooter had a "long-gun rifle". What the hell is
that?
HawHawHaw!
Dumbasses. And they're gonna be really pissed if he didn't have a
black "assault" weapon with a large magazine.

It's the same as a long rifle gun but different.

oh.

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On 7/17/2022 8:19 PM, bfh wrote:

A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/greenwood-mall-shooting-indiana.html

BTW, CNN said the shooter had a "long-gun rifle". What the hell is that? HawHawHaw!
Dumbasses. And they're gonna be really pissed if he didn't have a black "assault" weapon with a large magazine.

Statistically that is one of the least likely outcomes. This sort
of thing is more likely.

"5 key takeaways from the Uvalde shooting report and video revealing
failures in law enforcement response"

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/18/us/5-key-takeaways-uvalde-report-and-video/index.html

"NBC 7 Investigates: San Diego Police Face Scrutiny Over Woman's Murder"

"Yet three of Connie’s neighbors who spoke with NBC 7 Investigates feel police deserve some of the blame.

“Had they just done their job, she would still be alive,” said Michelle.

“It’s incredibly upsetting,” said Mike. “It’s really unbelievable. Very,
very scary.”

“I just feel such a strange combination of anxiety and anger and
sadness,” said Sally. “It could have been prevented.”

In order to protect their identities, NBC 7 Investigates is using
fictitious names for the neighbors.

Officers found Connie’s lifeless body inside her condo Wednesday
morning, June 15. But neighbor interviews, dispatch records, 911 call timestamps and surveillance video all gathered by NBC 7 Investigates
show the calls for help started nearly 12 hours earlier.

Around 7 p.m. the night before two neighbors called 911 reporting a man
banging on Connie’s door and screaming. Over the next hour, at least
five more calls rolled into 911, but no officers were dispatched. Then,
just after 8 p.m., neighbors heard and saw something that prompted
dispatchers to speed up the police response.

“He somehow managed to climb onto her balcony and break through her
glass door. So he broke in,” said Sally.

“I told them [police] that there is an active burglary happening to my neighbor’s house,” said Michelle. “I’m looking at him through the window. He entered through the second-story sliding glass door, he
busted the door.”

Sally told NBC 7 Investigates she was still on the line with the
dispatcher when she heard a physical fight.

“I’ve never heard somebody that angry in my entire life,” said Sally. “He was running so hard that I genuinely thought he might break through
the ceiling. I remember saying verbatim, ‘He’s going to kill her.’”

At that point, dispatch records show the call was upgraded to a higher priority, and officers started staging at a parking lot nearby. About 45 minutes later, they arrived at Connie’s condo and knocked on the door.

A neighbor's security camera captured police responding to the condo
nearly two hours after their first calls to 911.

“They finally show up,” said Michelle. “They’re walking up and I’m noticing them looking around and I come out of my door and I point to
the unit and I say he’s in there, and they just nodded their heads. So
they flashed their light, they could totally see the broken glass.”

Police say officers tried calling Connie’s phone and looked for her car.
But since Connie didn’t answer the door, officers ultimately left.

“At this point, I'm like what is going on?” said Michelle. “Where are they going? What’s happening? You have no idea what he’s going to do. He can easily break into someone else’s home. Especially on the first floor
if he got into the second floor. And I was thinking why is it not an
emergency? Why are they just walking away?”

The next morning, just before 8:30 a.m., police say Chambers came
outside and told a neighbor to call 911 because Connie was dead.
Surveillance video obtained by NBC 7 Investigates shows officers
arresting Chambers minutes later.

NBC 7 Investigates has learned this is not the first time police have
been called to Connie’s home. In fact, Chambers was not even supposed to
be near Connie. A judge ordered Chambers to stay away from Connie as one
of his probationary terms for a vandalism conviction in 2020."

"GUN VIOLENCE ARCHIVE 2022
Evidence Based Research - since 2013
PUBLISHED DATE: July 18, 2022

Total Number of GV Deaths - ALL Causes4 24,186 Homicide/Murder/Unintentional/DGU1 11,052
Suicide3 13,134
Total Number of Injuries1 21,042
Mass Shootings 355
Mass Murders 16
Number of Children (age 0-11)1 Killed 190
Injured 410
Number of Teens (age 12-17)1 Killed 730
Injured 1,964"

On and on

[snip]

TB

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On 7/17/2022 8:19 PM, bfh wrote:

A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/greenwood-mall-shooting-indiana.html >>

BTW, CNN said the shooter had a "long-gun rifle". What the hell is
that?
HawHawHaw!
Dumbasses. And they're gonna be really pissed if he didn't have a
black "assault" weapon with a large magazine.

    Statistically that is one of the least likely outcomes. This sort
of thing is more likely.

"5 key takeaways from the Uvalde shooting report and video revealing failures in law enforcement response"

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/18/us/5-key-takeaways-uvalde-report-and-video/index.html

"NBC 7 Investigates: San Diego Police Face Scrutiny Over Woman's Murder"

"Yet three of Connie’s neighbors who spoke with NBC 7 Investigates feel police deserve some of the blame.

“Had they just done their job, she would still be alive,” said Michelle.

“It’s incredibly upsetting,” said Mike. “It’s really
unbelievable. Very, very scary.”

“I just feel such a strange combination of anxiety and anger and sadness,” said Sally. “It could have been prevented.”

In order to protect their identities, NBC 7 Investigates is using
fictitious names for the neighbors.

Officers found Connie’s lifeless body inside her condo Wednesday morning, June 15. But neighbor interviews, dispatch records, 911 call timestamps and surveillance video all gathered by NBC 7 Investigates
show the calls for help started nearly 12 hours earlier.

Around 7 p.m. the night before two neighbors called 911 reporting a
man banging on Connie’s door and screaming. Over the next hour, at least five more calls rolled into 911, but no officers were
dispatched. Then, just after 8 p.m., neighbors heard and saw something
that prompted dispatchers to speed up the police response.

“He somehow managed to climb onto her balcony and break through her glass door. So he broke in,” said Sally.

“I told them [police] that there is an active burglary happening to
my neighbor’s house,” said Michelle. “I’m looking at him
through the window. He entered through the second-story sliding glass
door, he busted the door.”

Sally told NBC 7 Investigates she was still on the line with the
dispatcher when she heard a physical fight.

“I’ve never heard somebody that angry in my entire life,” said
Sally. “He was running so hard that I genuinely thought he might
break through the ceiling. I remember saying verbatim, ‘He’s going
to kill her.’”

At that point, dispatch records show the call was upgraded to a higher priority, and officers started staging at a parking lot nearby. About
45 minutes later, they arrived at Connie’s condo and knocked on the door.

A neighbor's security camera captured police responding to the condo
nearly two hours after their first calls to 911.

“They finally show up,” said Michelle. “They’re walking up and
I’m noticing them looking around and I come out of my door and I point to the unit and I say he’s in there, and they just nodded
their heads. So they flashed their light, they could totally see the
broken glass.”

Police say officers tried calling Connie’s phone and looked for her car. But since Connie didn’t answer the door, officers ultimately left.

“At this point, I'm like what is going on?” said Michelle. “Where are they going? What’s happening? You have no idea what he’s going to do. He can easily break into someone else’s home.
Especially on the first floor if he got into the second floor. And I
was thinking why is it not an emergency? Why are they just walking away?”

The next morning, just before 8:30 a.m., police say Chambers came
outside and told a neighbor to call 911 because Connie was dead. Surveillance video obtained by NBC 7 Investigates shows officers
arresting Chambers minutes later.

NBC 7 Investigates has learned this is not the first time police have
been called to Connie’s home. In fact, Chambers was not even
supposed to be near Connie. A judge ordered Chambers to stay away from
Connie as one of his probationary terms for a vandalism conviction in
2020."

"GUN VIOLENCE ARCHIVE 2022
Evidence Based Research - since 2013
PUBLISHED DATE: July 18, 2022

Total Number of GV Deaths - ALL Causes4  24,186 Homicide/Murder/Unintentional/DGU1  11,052
Suicide3  13,134
Total Number of Injuries1  21,042
Mass Shootings  355
Mass Murders  16
Number of Children (age 0-11)1 Killed 190
 Injured 410
Number of Teens (age 12-17)1 Killed 730
 Injured 1,964"

     On and on

[snip]

TB

When seconds count, police are just minutes away.

One night a few years ago, my nearest (.5 mile) neighbor on my road
called 911 because she heard what sounded like a woman screaming for
help somewhere out in the fields/woods between her house and mine. I
don't know when the deputy showed up at her house, but he showed up at
mine about an hour and a half after 911 got the call.

Note: As far as I know, no woman - screaming or otherwise - was ever
found.

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kmiller wrote:

On 7/18/2022 7:12 PM, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On 7/17/2022 8:19 PM, bfh wrote:

A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/greenwood-mall-shooting-indiana.html


BTW, CNN said the shooter had a "long-gun rifle". What the hell is
that?
HawHawHaw!
Dumbasses. And they're gonna be really pissed if he didn't have a
black "assault" weapon with a large magazine.

     Statistically that is one of the least likely outcomes. >>> This sort of thing is more likely.

"5 key takeaways from the Uvalde shooting report and video
revealing failures in law enforcement response"

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/18/us/5-key-takeaways-uvalde-report-and-video/index.html


"NBC 7 Investigates: San Diego Police Face Scrutiny Over Woman's
Murder"

"Yet three of Connie’s neighbors who spoke with NBC 7
Investigates feel police deserve some of the blame.

“Had they just done their job, she would still be
alive,” said Michelle.

“It’s incredibly upsetting,” said Mike.
“It’s really unbelievable. Very, very scary.”

“I just feel such a strange combination of anxiety and
anger and sadness,” said Sally. “It could have been
prevented.”

In order to protect their identities, NBC 7 Investigates is using
fictitious names for the neighbors.

Officers found Connie’s lifeless body inside her condo >>> Wednesday morning, June 15. But neighbor interviews, dispatch
records, 911 call timestamps and surveillance video all gathered by
NBC 7 Investigates show the calls for help started nearly 12 hours
earlier.

Around 7 p.m. the night before two neighbors called 911 reporting a
man banging on Connie’s door and screaming. Over the next >>> hour, at least five more calls rolled into 911, but no officers
were dispatched. Then, just after 8 p.m., neighbors heard and saw
something that prompted dispatchers to speed up the police response.

“He somehow managed to climb onto her balcony and break
through her glass door. So he broke in,” said Sally.

“I told them [police] that there is an active burglary
happening to my neighbor’s house,” said Michelle.
“I’m looking at him through the window. He entered
through the second-story sliding glass door, he busted the
door.”

Sally told NBC 7 Investigates she was still on the line with the
dispatcher when she heard a physical fight.

“I’ve never heard somebody that angry in my entire
life,” said Sally. “He was running so hard that I
genuinely thought he might break through the ceiling. I remember
saying verbatim, ‘He’s going to kill her.’”

At that point, dispatch records show the call was upgraded to a
higher priority, and officers started staging at a parking lot
nearby. About 45 minutes later, they arrived at Connie’s >>> condo and knocked on the door.

A neighbor's security camera captured police responding to the
condo nearly two hours after their first calls to 911.

“They finally show up,” said Michelle.
“They’re walking up and I’m noticing them
looking around and I come out of my door and I point to the unit
and I say he’s in there, and they just nodded their heads.
So they flashed their light, they could totally see the broken
glass.”

Police say officers tried calling Connie’s phone and looked
for her car. But since Connie didn’t answer the door,
officers ultimately left.

“At this point, I'm like what is going on?” said
Michelle. “Where are they going? What’s happening? You
have no idea what he’s going to do. He can easily break into
someone else’s home. Especially on the first floor if he got
into the second floor. And I was thinking why is it not an
emergency? Why are they just walking away?”

The next morning, just before 8:30 a.m., police say Chambers came
outside and told a neighbor to call 911 because Connie was dead.
Surveillance video obtained by NBC 7 Investigates shows officers
arresting Chambers minutes later.

NBC 7 Investigates has learned this is not the first time police
have been called to Connie’s home. In fact, Chambers was not
even supposed to be near Connie. A judge ordered Chambers to stay
away from Connie as one of his probationary terms for a vandalism
conviction in 2020."

"GUN VIOLENCE ARCHIVE 2022
Evidence Based Research - since 2013
PUBLISHED DATE: July 18, 2022

Total Number of GV Deaths - ALL Causes4  24,186
Homicide/Murder/Unintentional/DGU1  11,052
Suicide3  13,134
Total Number of Injuries1  21,042
Mass Shootings  355
Mass Murders  16
Number of Children (age 0-11)1 Killed 190
  Injured 410
Number of Teens (age 12-17)1 Killed 730
  Injured 1,964"

      On and on

[snip]

TB

When seconds count, police are just minutes away.

One night a few years ago, my nearest (.5 mile) neighbor on my road
called 911 because she heard what sounded like a woman screaming for
help somewhere out in the fields/woods between her house and mine. I
don't know when the deputy showed up at her house, but he showed up
at mine about an hour and a half after 911 got the call.

Note: As far as I know, no woman - screaming or otherwise - was ever
found.

An absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Woe is he who brageth 2 mucheth:

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On 7/18/2022 7:12 PM, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On 7/17/2022 8:19 PM, bfh wrote:

A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/greenwood-mall-shooting-indiana.html >>>

BTW, CNN said the shooter had a "long-gun rifle". What the hell is that? >>> HawHawHaw!
Dumbasses. And they're gonna be really pissed if he didn't have a
black "assault" weapon with a large magazine.

     Statistically that is one of the least likely outcomes. This sort >> of thing is more likely.

"5 key takeaways from the Uvalde shooting report and video revealing
failures in law enforcement response"

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/18/us/5-key-takeaways-uvalde-report-and-video/index.html


"NBC 7 Investigates: San Diego Police Face Scrutiny Over Woman's Murder"

"Yet three of Connie’s neighbors who spoke with NBC 7 Investigates
feel police deserve some of the blame.

“Had they just done their job, she would still be alive,” said >> Michelle.

“It’s incredibly upsetting,” said Mike. “It’s really
unbelievable. Very, very scary.”

“I just feel such a strange combination of anxiety and anger and
sadness,” said Sally. “It could have been prevented.”

In order to protect their identities, NBC 7 Investigates is using
fictitious names for the neighbors.

Officers found Connie’s lifeless body inside her condo Wednesday
morning, June 15. But neighbor interviews, dispatch records, 911 call
timestamps and surveillance video all gathered by NBC 7 Investigates
show the calls for help started nearly 12 hours earlier.

Around 7 p.m. the night before two neighbors called 911 reporting a
man banging on Connie’s door and screaming. Over the next hour, at
least five more calls rolled into 911, but no officers were
dispatched. Then, just after 8 p.m., neighbors heard and saw something
that prompted dispatchers to speed up the police response.

“He somehow managed to climb onto her balcony and break through her
glass door. So he broke in,” said Sally.

“I told them [police] that there is an active burglary happening to
my neighbor’s house,” said Michelle. “I’m looking at him
through the window. He entered through the second-story sliding glass
door, he busted the door.”

Sally told NBC 7 Investigates she was still on the line with the
dispatcher when she heard a physical fight.

“I’ve never heard somebody that angry in my entire life,” said
Sally. “He was running so hard that I genuinely thought he might
break through the ceiling. I remember saying verbatim, ‘He’s going
to kill her.’”

At that point, dispatch records show the call was upgraded to a higher
priority, and officers started staging at a parking lot nearby. About
45 minutes later, they arrived at Connie’s condo and knocked on the >> door.

A neighbor's security camera captured police responding to the condo
nearly two hours after their first calls to 911.

“They finally show up,” said Michelle. “They’re walking up and
I’m noticing them looking around and I come out of my door and I
point to the unit and I say he’s in there, and they just nodded
their heads. So they flashed their light, they could totally see the
broken glass.”

Police say officers tried calling Connie’s phone and looked for her >> car. But since Connie didn’t answer the door, officers ultimately left.

“At this point, I'm like what is going on?” said Michelle.
“Where are they going? What’s happening? You have no idea what >> he’s going to do. He can easily break into someone else’s home.
Especially on the first floor if he got into the second floor. And I
was thinking why is it not an emergency? Why are they just walking
away?”

The next morning, just before 8:30 a.m., police say Chambers came
outside and told a neighbor to call 911 because Connie was dead.
Surveillance video obtained by NBC 7 Investigates shows officers
arresting Chambers minutes later.

NBC 7 Investigates has learned this is not the first time police have
been called to Connie’s home. In fact, Chambers was not even
supposed to be near Connie. A judge ordered Chambers to stay away from
Connie as one of his probationary terms for a vandalism conviction in
2020."

"GUN VIOLENCE ARCHIVE 2022
Evidence Based Research - since 2013
PUBLISHED DATE: July 18, 2022

Total Number of GV Deaths - ALL Causes4  24,186
Homicide/Murder/Unintentional/DGU1  11,052
Suicide3  13,134
Total Number of Injuries1  21,042
Mass Shootings  355
Mass Murders  16
Number of Children (age 0-11)1 Killed 190
  Injured 410
Number of Teens (age 12-17)1 Killed 730
  Injured 1,964"

      On and on

[snip]

TB

When seconds count, police are just minutes away.

One night a few years ago, my nearest (.5 mile) neighbor on my road
called 911 because she heard what sounded like a woman screaming for
help somewhere out in the fields/woods between her house and mine. I
don't know when the deputy showed up at her house, but he showed up at
mine about an hour and a half after 911 got the call.

Note: As far as I know, no woman - screaming or otherwise - was ever found.

An absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Woe is he who brageth 2 mucheth:

46.18
2.78
32

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bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On 7/17/2022 8:19 PM, bfh wrote:

A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/greenwood-mall-shooting-indiana.html >>>

BTW, CNN said the shooter had a "long-gun rifle". What the hell is
that?
HawHawHaw!
Dumbasses. And they're gonna be really pissed if he didn't have a
black "assault" weapon with a large magazine.

    Statistically that is one of the least likely outcomes. This sort
of thing is more likely.

"5 key takeaways from the Uvalde shooting report and video revealing
failures in law enforcement response"

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/18/us/5-key-takeaways-uvalde-report-and-video/index.html


"NBC 7 Investigates: San Diego Police Face Scrutiny Over Woman's Murder"

"Yet three of Connie’s neighbors who spoke with NBC 7 Investigates
feel police deserve some of the blame.

“Had they just done their job, she would still be alive,” said >> Michelle.

“It’s incredibly upsetting,” said Mike. “It’s really
unbelievable. Very, very scary.”

“I just feel such a strange combination of anxiety and anger and
sadness,” said Sally. “It could have been prevented.”

In order to protect their identities, NBC 7 Investigates is using
fictitious names for the neighbors.

Officers found Connie’s lifeless body inside her condo Wednesday
morning, June 15. But neighbor interviews, dispatch records, 911 call
timestamps and surveillance video all gathered by NBC 7 Investigates
show the calls for help started nearly 12 hours earlier.

Around 7 p.m. the night before two neighbors called 911 reporting a
man banging on Connie’s door and screaming. Over the next hour, at
least five more calls rolled into 911, but no officers were
dispatched. Then, just after 8 p.m., neighbors heard and saw something
that prompted dispatchers to speed up the police response.

“He somehow managed to climb onto her balcony and break through her
glass door. So he broke in,” said Sally.

“I told them [police] that there is an active burglary happening to
my neighbor’s house,” said Michelle. “I’m looking at him
through the window. He entered through the second-story sliding glass
door, he busted the door.”

Sally told NBC 7 Investigates she was still on the line with the
dispatcher when she heard a physical fight.

“I’ve never heard somebody that angry in my entire life,” said
Sally. “He was running so hard that I genuinely thought he might
break through the ceiling. I remember saying verbatim, ‘He’s going
to kill her.’”

At that point, dispatch records show the call was upgraded to a higher
priority, and officers started staging at a parking lot nearby. About
45 minutes later, they arrived at Connie’s condo and knocked on the >> door.

A neighbor's security camera captured police responding to the condo
nearly two hours after their first calls to 911.

“They finally show up,” said Michelle. “They’re walking up and
I’m noticing them looking around and I come out of my door and I
point to the unit and I say he’s in there, and they just nodded
their heads. So they flashed their light, they could totally see the
broken glass.”

Police say officers tried calling Connie’s phone and looked for her >> car. But since Connie didn’t answer the door, officers ultimately left.

“At this point, I'm like what is going on?” said Michelle.
“Where are they going? What’s happening? You have no idea what >> he’s going to do. He can easily break into someone else’s home.
Especially on the first floor if he got into the second floor. And I
was thinking why is it not an emergency? Why are they just walking
away?”

The next morning, just before 8:30 a.m., police say Chambers came
outside and told a neighbor to call 911 because Connie was dead.
Surveillance video obtained by NBC 7 Investigates shows officers
arresting Chambers minutes later.

NBC 7 Investigates has learned this is not the first time police have
been called to Connie’s home. In fact, Chambers was not even
supposed to be near Connie. A judge ordered Chambers to stay away from
Connie as one of his probationary terms for a vandalism conviction in
2020."

"GUN VIOLENCE ARCHIVE 2022
Evidence Based Research - since 2013
PUBLISHED DATE: July 18, 2022

Total Number of GV Deaths - ALL Causes4  24,186
Homicide/Murder/Unintentional/DGU1  11,052
Suicide3  13,134
Total Number of Injuries1  21,042
Mass Shootings  355
Mass Murders  16
Number of Children (age 0-11)1 Killed 190
 Injured 410
Number of Teens (age 12-17)1 Killed 730
 Injured 1,964"

     On and on

[snip]

TB

When seconds count, police are just minutes away.

One night a few years ago, my nearest (.5 mile) neighbor on my road
called 911 because she heard what sounded like a woman screaming for
help somewhere out in the fields/woods between her house and mine. I
don't know when the deputy showed up at her house, but he showed up at
mine about an hour and a half after 911 got the call.

Note: As far as I know, no woman - screaming or otherwise - was ever
found.

Was that right after Trump was pronounced the winner in 2016?

https://www.google.com/search?q=sky+screaming+woman&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGyd7x-IP5AhVlATQIHXfxBhgQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=810&bih=965&dpr=2#imgrc=bjNJjlpSeLsEVM


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George.Anthony wrote:

bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On 7/17/2022 8:19 PM, bfh wrote:

A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/greenwood-mall-shooting-indiana.html >>>>

BTW, CNN said the shooter had a "long-gun rifle". What the hell is
that?
HawHawHaw!
Dumbasses. And they're gonna be really pissed if he didn't have a
black "assault" weapon with a large magazine.

    Statistically that is one of the least likely outcomes. This sort
of thing is more likely.

"5 key takeaways from the Uvalde shooting report and video revealing
failures in law enforcement response"

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/18/us/5-key-takeaways-uvalde-report-and-video/index.html


"NBC 7 Investigates: San Diego Police Face Scrutiny Over Woman's Murder" >>>
"Yet three of Connie’s neighbors who spoke with NBC 7 Investigates
feel police deserve some of the blame.

“Had they just done their job, she would still be alive,” said
Michelle.

“It’s incredibly upsetting,” said Mike. “It’s really
unbelievable. Very, very scary.”

“I just feel such a strange combination of anxiety and anger and
sadness,” said Sally. “It could have been prevented.”

In order to protect their identities, NBC 7 Investigates is using
fictitious names for the neighbors.

Officers found Connie’s lifeless body inside her condo Wednesday
morning, June 15. But neighbor interviews, dispatch records, 911 call
timestamps and surveillance video all gathered by NBC 7 Investigates
show the calls for help started nearly 12 hours earlier.

Around 7 p.m. the night before two neighbors called 911 reporting a
man banging on Connie’s door and screaming. Over the next hour, at
least five more calls rolled into 911, but no officers were
dispatched. Then, just after 8 p.m., neighbors heard and saw something
that prompted dispatchers to speed up the police response.

“He somehow managed to climb onto her balcony and break through her
glass door. So he broke in,” said Sally.

“I told them [police] that there is an active burglary happening to
my neighbor’s house,” said Michelle. “I’m looking at him
through the window. He entered through the second-story sliding glass
door, he busted the door.”

Sally told NBC 7 Investigates she was still on the line with the
dispatcher when she heard a physical fight.

“I’ve never heard somebody that angry in my entire life,” said
Sally. “He was running so hard that I genuinely thought he might
break through the ceiling. I remember saying verbatim, ‘He’s going
to kill her.’”

At that point, dispatch records show the call was upgraded to a higher
priority, and officers started staging at a parking lot nearby. About
45 minutes later, they arrived at Connie’s condo and knocked on the
door.

A neighbor's security camera captured police responding to the condo
nearly two hours after their first calls to 911.

“They finally show up,” said Michelle. “They’re walking up and
I’m noticing them looking around and I come out of my door and I
point to the unit and I say he’s in there, and they just nodded
their heads. So they flashed their light, they could totally see the
broken glass.”

Police say officers tried calling Connie’s phone and looked for her
car. But since Connie didn’t answer the door, officers ultimately left.

“At this point, I'm like what is going on?” said Michelle.
“Where are they going? What’s happening? You have no idea what
he’s going to do. He can easily break into someone else’s home.
Especially on the first floor if he got into the second floor. And I
was thinking why is it not an emergency? Why are they just walking
away?”

The next morning, just before 8:30 a.m., police say Chambers came
outside and told a neighbor to call 911 because Connie was dead.
Surveillance video obtained by NBC 7 Investigates shows officers
arresting Chambers minutes later.

NBC 7 Investigates has learned this is not the first time police have
been called to Connie’s home. In fact, Chambers was not even
supposed to be near Connie. A judge ordered Chambers to stay away from
Connie as one of his probationary terms for a vandalism conviction in
2020."

"GUN VIOLENCE ARCHIVE 2022
Evidence Based Research - since 2013
PUBLISHED DATE: July 18, 2022

Total Number of GV Deaths - ALL Causes4  24,186
Homicide/Murder/Unintentional/DGU1  11,052
Suicide3  13,134
Total Number of Injuries1  21,042
Mass Shootings  355
Mass Murders  16
Number of Children (age 0-11)1 Killed 190
 Injured 410
Number of Teens (age 12-17)1 Killed 730
 Injured 1,964"

     On and on

[snip]

TB

When seconds count, police are just minutes away.

One night a few years ago, my nearest (.5 mile) neighbor on my road
called 911 because she heard what sounded like a woman screaming for
help somewhere out in the fields/woods between her house and mine. I
don't know when the deputy showed up at her house, but he showed up at
mine about an hour and a half after 911 got the call.

Note: As far as I know, no woman - screaming or otherwise - was ever
found.

Was that right after Trump was pronounced the winner in 2016?

Might've been, but there are no Democrats within screaming distance of
here.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sky+screaming+woman&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGyd7x-IP5AhVlATQIHXfxBhgQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=810&bih=965&dpr=2#imgrc=bjNJjlpSeLsEVM

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On 7/18/2022 8:38 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On 7/17/2022 8:19 PM, bfh wrote:

A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/greenwood-mall-shooting-indiana.html >>

BTW, CNN said the shooter had a "long-gun rifle". What the hell is that?
HawHawHaw!
Dumbasses. And they're gonna be really pissed if he didn't have a
black "assault" weapon with a large magazine.

    Statistically that is one of the least likely outcomes. This sort
of thing is more likely.

Yet it happened.

TB

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On 7/19/2022 12:11 AM, bfh wrote:

George.Anthony wrote:

bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On 7/17/2022 8:19 PM, bfh wrote:

A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/greenwood-mall-shooting-indiana.html



BTW, CNN said the shooter had a "long-gun rifle". What the hell is
that?
HawHawHaw!
Dumbasses. And they're gonna be really pissed if he didn't have a
black "assault" weapon with a large magazine.

    Statistically that is one of the least likely outcomes. This >>>> sort
of thing is more likely.

"5 key takeaways from the Uvalde shooting report and video revealing
failures in law enforcement response"

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/18/us/5-key-takeaways-uvalde-report-and-video/index.html



"NBC 7 Investigates: San Diego Police Face Scrutiny Over Woman's
Murder"

"Yet three of Connie’s neighbors who spoke with NBC 7 >>>> Investigates
feel police deserve some of the blame.

“Had they just done their job, she would still be
alive,” said
Michelle.

“It’s incredibly upsetting,” said Mike.
“It’s really
unbelievable. Very, very scary.”

“I just feel such a strange combination of anxiety and anger and
sadness,” said Sally. “It could have been prevented.”

In order to protect their identities, NBC 7 Investigates is using
fictitious names for the neighbors.

Officers found Connie’s lifeless body inside her condo Wednesday
morning, June 15. But neighbor interviews, dispatch records, 911 call
timestamps and surveillance video all gathered by NBC 7 Investigates
show the calls for help started nearly 12 hours earlier.

Around 7 p.m. the night before two neighbors called 911 reporting a
man banging on Connie’s door and screaming. Over the next >>>> hour, at
least five more calls rolled into 911, but no officers were
dispatched. Then, just after 8 p.m., neighbors heard and saw something >>>> that prompted dispatchers to speed up the police response.

“He somehow managed to climb onto her balcony and break >>>> through her
glass door. So he broke in,” said Sally.

“I told them [police] that there is an active burglary
happening to
my neighbor’s house,” said Michelle. “I’m
looking at him
through the window. He entered through the second-story sliding glass
door, he busted the door.”

Sally told NBC 7 Investigates she was still on the line with the
dispatcher when she heard a physical fight.

“I’ve never heard somebody that angry in my entire
life,” said
Sally. “He was running so hard that I genuinely thought he might
break through the ceiling. I remember saying verbatim,
‘He’s going
to kill her.’”

At that point, dispatch records show the call was upgraded to a higher >>>> priority, and officers started staging at a parking lot nearby. About
45 minutes later, they arrived at Connie’s condo and knocked
on the
door.

A neighbor's security camera captured police responding to the condo
nearly two hours after their first calls to 911.

“They finally show up,” said Michelle.
“They’re walking up and
I’m noticing them looking around and I come out of my door and I
point to the unit and I say he’s in there, and they just nodded
their heads. So they flashed their light, they could totally see the
broken glass.”

Police say officers tried calling Connie’s phone and looked
for her
car. But since Connie didn’t answer the door, officers >>>> ultimately left.

“At this point, I'm like what is going on?” said Michelle.
“Where are they going? What’s happening? You have no
idea what
he’s going to do. He can easily break into someone
else’s home.
Especially on the first floor if he got into the second floor. And I
was thinking why is it not an emergency? Why are they just walking
away?”

The next morning, just before 8:30 a.m., police say Chambers came
outside and told a neighbor to call 911 because Connie was dead.
Surveillance video obtained by NBC 7 Investigates shows officers
arresting Chambers minutes later.

NBC 7 Investigates has learned this is not the first time police have
been called to Connie’s home. In fact, Chambers was not even
supposed to be near Connie. A judge ordered Chambers to stay away from >>>> Connie as one of his probationary terms for a vandalism conviction in
2020."

"GUN VIOLENCE ARCHIVE 2022
Evidence Based Research - since 2013
PUBLISHED DATE: July 18, 2022

Total Number of GV Deaths - ALL Causes4  24,186
Homicide/Murder/Unintentional/DGU1  11,052
Suicide3  13,134
Total Number of Injuries1  21,042
Mass Shootings  355
Mass Murders  16
Number of Children (age 0-11)1 Killed 190
 Injured 410
Number of Teens (age 12-17)1 Killed 730
 Injured 1,964"

     On and on

[snip]

TB

When seconds count, police are just minutes away.

One night a few years ago, my nearest (.5 mile) neighbor on my road
called 911 because she heard what sounded like a woman screaming for
help somewhere out in the fields/woods between her house and mine. I
don't know when the deputy showed up at her house, but he showed up at
mine about an hour and a half after 911 got the call.

Note: As far as I know, no woman - screaming or otherwise - was ever
found.

Was that right after Trump was pronounced the winner in 2016?

Might've been, but there are no Democrats within screaming distance of
here.

Something else you have luck with.


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myself,"

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On 7/17/2022 8:19 PM, bfh wrote:

A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/greenwood-mall-shooting-indiana.html

BTW, CNN said the shooter had a "long-gun rifle". What the hell is that? HawHawHaw!
Dumbasses. And they're gonna be really pissed if he didn't have a black "assault" weapon with a large magazine.

"How often does a ‘good guy with a gun’ end an attack?"

"How common is it for civilians to stop active threats? Data from the
Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT) Center at
Texas State University suggests bystanders stop active attacks about 16%
of the time, although typically without using a gun.

From 2000 to 2021, ALERRT researchers studied 464 attacks (434
shootings, 23 knife attacks and seven vehicle attacks) and found
civilians — including security guards and off-duty police officers — stopped attackers before police arrived on 73 occasions. In the vast
majority of those cases (67%), bystanders subdued the assailant using
physical force.

An armed civilian stopped attacks by shooting the suspect in 24 of the
464 attacks recorded, about 5% of all events."

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/midwest/how-often-does-a-good-guy-with-a-gun-end-an-attack/

Uvalde, Buffalo Shootings Expose the Myth of the ‘Good Guy With a Gun’
The NRA has a romantic notion that a ‘good guy with a gun’ could stem
mass shootings. In reality, it hasn’t worked out like that.

By Susan Milligan

From white-hatted cowboys in movie Westerns to cigarette-smoking, trench-coated fictional private detectives, the gun-packing hero has
been celebrated in American popular culture as the ultimate weapon in a
central battle between good and evil. In real life, the idea has been
promoted as an answer to mass shootings: In 2012, after 20 children and
six adults were gunned down at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre voiced his
solution.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a
gun," LaPierre said at the time. After the Uvalde, Texas, massacre in
which a gunman killed 19 elementary schoolers and two teachers, calls
came from Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and other Republicans to arm teachers – an idea vehemently rejected by teachers unions – and add more gun-carrying security at schools.

"We know from past experience that the most effective tool for keeping
kids safe is armed law enforcement on the campus," Republican Ted Cruz,
Texas' junior senator, told reporters. Paxton, in an interview on
Newsmax, said that since “first responders typically can't get there in
time to prevent a shooting … I think you're going to have to do more at
the school, because it typically involves very short periods of time,
and you have to have people trained on campus to react."

For those lawmakers, it's more guns that are needed in America, where
the number of firearms now surpasses the number of people living in the
United States. Just hand them to the right people – the "good" people –
and bad shooters will be stopped in their tracks, they argue.

That didn't work in Texas, where armed law enforcement personnel at the
scene after the shooter first shot at his grandmother were unable to
prevent the bloodbath. The school also has a school resource officer,
though authorities said Thursday the officer was not on site at that
time (after saying previously that the officer was). Texas authorities
this week were fielding accusations that people trained to respond to
such incidents didn't move quickly enough, possibly costing lives.

It didn't work May 16 in Buffalo, where an armed, off-duty security
guard and former police officer was unable to stop a shooter on an
apparent racist rampage. The security guard, along with nine Black
supermarket shoppers, was killed.

It's also not a common outcome in previous active shooter episodes,
according to the FBI. From 2000-2019, 119 of 345 active shooters
committed suicide, the bureau said in a long-trend report. Another 119
were apprehended by police, 67 were killed by police, and five are at
large. In only four cases did citizens kill the shooters – and none of
those four happened at an educational setting.
[snip]

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2022-05-27/uvalde-buffalo-shootings-expose-the-myth-of-the-good-guy-with-a-gun

TB

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On 7/17/2022 8:19 PM, bfh wrote:

A good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/greenwood-mall-shooting-indiana.html >>

BTW, CNN said the shooter had a "long-gun rifle". What the hell is
that?
HawHawHaw!
Dumbasses. And they're gonna be really pissed if he didn't have a
black "assault" weapon with a large magazine.

"How often does a ‘good guy with a gun’ end an attack?"

"How common is it for civilians to stop active threats? Data from the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT) Center at
Texas State University suggests bystanders stop active attacks about
16% of the time, although typically without using a gun.

From 2000 to 2021, ALERRT researchers studied 464 attacks (434
shootings, 23 knife attacks and seven vehicle attacks) and found
civilians — including security guards and off-duty police officers — stopped attackers before police arrived on 73 occasions. In the vast majority of those cases (67%), bystanders subdued the assailant
using physical force.

An armed civilian stopped attacks by shooting the suspect in 24 of the
464 attacks recorded, about 5% of all events."

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/midwest/how-often-does-a-good-guy-with-a-gun-end-an-attack/

Uvalde, Buffalo Shootings Expose the Myth of the ‘Good Guy With a Gun’
The NRA has a romantic notion that a ‘good guy with a gun’ could
stem mass shootings. In reality, it hasn’t worked out like that.

By Susan Milligan

From white-hatted cowboys in movie Westerns to cigarette-smoking, trench-coated fictional private detectives, the gun-packing hero has
been celebrated in American popular culture as the ultimate weapon in
a central battle between good and evil. In real life, the idea has
been promoted as an answer to mass shootings: In 2012, after 20
children and six adults were gunned down at Sandy Hook Elementary
School in Newtown, Connecticut, National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre voiced his solution.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a
gun," LaPierre said at the time. After the Uvalde, Texas, massacre in
which a gunman killed 19 elementary schoolers and two teachers, calls
came from Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and other Republicans to
arm teachers – an idea vehemently rejected by teachers unions –
and add more gun-carrying security at schools.

"We know from past experience that the most effective tool for keeping
kids safe is armed law enforcement on the campus," Republican Ted
Cruz, Texas' junior senator, told reporters. Paxton, in an interview
on Newsmax, said that since “first responders typically can't get there in time to prevent a shooting … I think you're going to have
to do more at the school, because it typically involves very short
periods of time, and you have to have people trained on campus to react."

For those lawmakers, it's more guns that are needed in America, where
the number of firearms now surpasses the number of people living in
the United States. Just hand them to the right people – the "good" people – and bad shooters will be stopped in their tracks, they argue.

That didn't work in Texas, where armed law enforcement personnel at
the scene after the shooter first shot at his grandmother were unable
to prevent the bloodbath. The school also has a school resource
officer, though authorities said Thursday the officer was not on site
at that time (after saying previously that the officer was). Texas authorities this week were fielding accusations that people trained to respond to such incidents didn't move quickly enough, possibly costing
lives.

It didn't work May 16 in Buffalo, where an armed, off-duty security
guard and former police officer was unable to stop a shooter on an
apparent racist rampage. The security guard, along with nine Black supermarket shoppers, was killed.

It's also not a common outcome in previous active shooter episodes, according to the FBI. From 2000-2019, 119 of 345 active shooters
committed suicide, the bureau said in a long-trend report. Another 119
were apprehended by police, 67 were killed by police, and five are at
large. In only four cases did citizens kill the shooters – and none of those four happened at an educational setting.
[snip]

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2022-05-27/uvalde-buffalo-shootings-expose-the-myth-of-the-good-guy-with-a-gun

----------------------------------------------------------------------
That didn't work in Texas, where armed law enforcement personnel at
the scene after the shooter first shot at his grandmother were unable
to prevent the bloodbath. The school also has a school resource
officer, though authorities said Thursday the officer was not on site
at that time (after saying previously that the officer was). Texas
authorities this week were fielding accusations that people trained to
respond to such incidents didn't move quickly enough, possibly costing
lives.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Note that the official good guy with a gun who was supposed to be at
the school was Not present at Uvalde, and when the official "good"
guys with guns - pistols, rifles, and shotguns - did show up, they
didn't have the balls to use them, and then spent weeks trying to
cover their sorry asses.

OTOH, the Unofficial good guy at Greenwood Park Mall did not hesitate. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "This young man, Greenwood's good Samaritan, acted within seconds,
stopping the shooter and saving countless lives," Myers said. "Our
city, our community and our state is grateful for his heroism in this situation." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
That also points out the dumbassedness of the policy of banning guns
in venues where there is no metal detector or body search at every
entrance - which is the case at Greenwood.

Not only that, but the good guy with a pistol went up against the bad
guy who had a "weapon of war".

So:
In your own words, what is your point?

Are you for or against civilians carrying guns?

What do you personally think about, "If it saves just one innocent life..........", for both gun banning and gun carrying?

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