On 6/3/2022 7:59 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
On 2022-06-03 00:50:05 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
     So we went to the Maryhill museum to see all the Art. >>> They have a lot of it and some of it is very nice. For me the works
by Rick Bartow seem a little odd in a museum. The first time I met
Rick was in an art class in junior high. I think he was a year
ahead of me in school.
Maryhill is really unexpected, next time I'll have to watch for
things from your old school "mate"
Rick's stuff is on the top floor, which IIRC, hadn't been open
to the public that last time I had been there. For me, like a lot of
Native American artists, his work has always relied too heavily on
modern Native American visual cliches. I did like some of his stuff,
but I wouldn't want the biggest one on my wall because it was too depressing. I would like to think that the people who made the
petroglyphs weren't swayed by commercial considerations and were thus
more "honest". This probably isn't true. When they were made the petroglyphs were located in the heart of commerce in the PNW. Some of
them were probably just early billboards.
TB
On 2022-06-03 00:50:05 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
So we went to the Maryhill museum to see all the Art. They have >> a lot of it and some of it is very nice. For me the works by Rick
Bartow seem a little odd in a museum. The first time I met Rick was in
an art class in junior high. I think he was a year ahead of me in school.
Maryhill is really unexpected, next time I'll have to watch for things
from your old school "mate"
Technobarbarian wrote:
On 6/3/2022 7:59 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
On 2022-06-03 00:50:05 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
     So we went to the Maryhill museum to see all the Art. >>>> They have a lot of it and some of it is very nice. For me the works
by Rick Bartow seem a little odd in a museum. The first time I met
Rick was in an art class in junior high. I think he was a year ahead
of me in school.
Maryhill is really unexpected, next time I'll have to watch for
things from your old school "mate"
Rick's stuff is on the top floor, which IIRC, hadn't been open
to the public that last time I had been there. For me, like a lot of
Native American artists, his work has always relied too heavily on
modern Native American visual cliches. I did like some of his stuff,
but I wouldn't want the biggest one on my wall because it was too
depressing. I would like to think that the people who made the
petroglyphs weren't swayed by commercial considerations and were thus
more "honest". This probably isn't true. When they were made the
petroglyphs were located in the heart of commerce in the PNW. Some of
them were probably just early billboards.
TB
Or an early Facebutt. Or twaddle. Or SMS board. Or laundromat bulletin board. At the end of the day going forward, everything is on the table
as science evolves. https://www.visitutah.com/places-to-go/parks-outdoors/bears-ears-national-monument/newspaper-rock-and-the-indian-creek-scenic-byway
On 6/3/2022 12:48 PM, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On 6/3/2022 7:59 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
On 2022-06-03 00:50:05 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
     So we went to the Maryhill museum to see all
the Art. They have a lot of it and some of it is very nice. For
me the works by Rick Bartow seem a little odd in a museum. The
first time I met Rick was in an art class in junior high. I think
he was a year ahead of me in school.
Maryhill is really unexpected, next time I'll have to watch for
things from your old school "mate"
     Rick's stuff is on the top floor, which IIRC, hadn't >>> been open to the public that last time I had been there. For me,
like a lot of Native American artists, his work has always relied
too heavily on modern Native American visual cliches. I did like
some of his stuff, but I wouldn't want the biggest one on my wall
because it was too depressing. I would like to think that the
people who made the petroglyphs weren't swayed by commercial
considerations and were thus more "honest". This probably isn't
true. When they were made the petroglyphs were located in the
heart of commerce in the PNW. Some of them were probably just early
billboards.
TB
Or an early Facebutt. Or twaddle. Or SMS board. Or laundromat
bulletin board. At the end of the day going forward, everything is
on the table as science evolves.
https://www.visitutah.com/places-to-go/parks-outdoors/bears-ears-national-monument/newspaper-rock-and-the-indian-creek-scenic-byway
We can't save all petroglyphs. Why save any? HawHawHaw! Speaking of
which - wasn't the Bears Ears National Park one of those that the
orange goon tried to give to his cronies?
kmiller wrote:
On 6/3/2022 12:48 PM, bfh wrote:
Technobarbarian wrote:
On 6/3/2022 7:59 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
On 2022-06-03 00:50:05 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
     So we went to the Maryhill museum to see all
the Art. They have a lot of it and some of it is very nice. For
me the works by Rick Bartow seem a little odd in a museum. The
first time I met Rick was in an art class in junior high. I think >>>>> he was a year ahead of me in school.
Maryhill is really unexpected, next time I'll have to watch for
things from your old school "mate"
     Rick's stuff is on the top floor, which IIRC, hadn't
been open to the public that last time I had been there. For me,
like a lot of Native American artists, his work has always relied
too heavily on modern Native American visual cliches. I did like
some of his stuff, but I wouldn't want the biggest one on my wall
because it was too depressing. I would like to think that the
people who made the petroglyphs weren't swayed by commercial
considerations and were thus more "honest". This probably isn't
true. When they were made the petroglyphs were located in the
heart of commerce in the PNW. Some of them were probably just early
billboards.
TB
Or an early Facebutt. Or twaddle. Or SMS board. Or laundromat
bulletin board. At the end of the day going forward, everything is
on the table as science evolves.
https://www.visitutah.com/places-to-go/parks-outdoors/bears-ears-national-monument/newspaper-rock-and-the-indian-creek-scenic-byway
We can't save all petroglyphs. Why save any? HawHawHaw! Speaking ofBosch says, "Everybody counts or nobody counts". I don't know if that applies to ancient graffiti. For all we know, ancient ecosensitive
which - wasn't the Bears Ears National Park one of those that the
orange goon tried to give to his cronies?
people took all those ancient ecodefacers out into the ancient
slickrock, impaled them, smeared them with bears ears grease, and
ignited them.
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So we went to the Maryhill museum to see all the Art. They have a
lot of it and some of it is very nice. For me the works by Rick Bartow
seem a little odd in a museum. The first time I met Rick was in an art
class in junior high. I think he was a year ahead of me in school.
https://froelickgallery.com/artists/26-rick-bartow/overview/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Bartow
Even though the Siletz reservation was nearby we didn't have many
Native American students in Newport. Rick is the only one I recall. He
was a nice guy, but he wasn't what you would call an "Artist" back then. According to the Maryhill museum at least 60 museums have collected his works.
My favorite part of the museum was their extensive collection of
Native American baskets and bead work. But, my favorite art from this
trip isn't in a museum. It's called the Temani Pesh-wa Trail, native for "Written on Rock." It's down the highway a bit in the Columbia Hills Historical State Park. The admission price is $10/car for a one day
state park parking pass.
"INTERPRETIVE OPPORTUNITIES
Horsethief Lake section of the Columbia Hills Historical State Park is a National Historic Site. Guided tours of the pictographs and petroglyphs, including the significant Tsagaglalal ("She Who Watches"), 9 a.m. on
Fridays - Saturdays, April through October; Reservations are required.
Tours are limited to 20 people. Each person in the party must register
and receive a confirmation email. Register online, or for groups of more than 20, call the park office at (509) 773-3145. Please leave a detailed message with your party size, the dates you have in mind, your name and phone number. Staff strive to respond to messages as promptly as
possible but if your call is not returned within a week, please call the office again. Do not come for a tour without making a reservation for
each individual person. It is advisable to reserve at least two or three weeks in advance, as tours are limited to 20 people and fill up fast.
For directions and additional information on the pictographs tour, visit
the FAQ page.
Horsethief lake also offers self-guided petroglyph and pictograph
viewing at the Temani Pesh-Wa display which is open during daylight
hours from April to October."
https://www.parks.wa.gov/489/Columbia-Hills
https://www.oregonhikers.org/field_guide/She_Who_Watches_Hike
"Nearly a half-century ago, rising waters behind The Dalles Dam forever changed a wild stretch of the Columbia River, submerging salmon-rich
Celilo Falls, the Long Narrows below it and hundreds of ancient sacred petroglyphs.
The surrounding lands long had been a gathering place for people from
the Warm Springs, Yakama, Umatilla, Nez Perce and other tribes. Some
lived there permanently, while thousands more visited seasonally to
harvest spawning salmon, to practice their religion and to join the
annual opportunity to trade and socialize.
The petroglyphs -- drawings that were chipped or ground into rock to
depict tribal legends, hunting scenes and mysticism -- are evidence of
these gatherings. One narrow slot just above the river had so many
thousands of drawings that it was named Petroglyph Canyon.
But as the reservoir rose behind the new dam, most of these rocks were covered by water. A few were pried away and stored at the dam, perched against a wall of the fish ladder beneath roosting birds -- not a
fitting home for what tribal elders consider sacred icons that provide a cultural connection between modern people and their ancestors.
A plan to give them a more fitting, permanent home took shape in 1996,
and eight years later 43 petroglyph-covered rocks were moved to
Washington's Columbia Hills State Park, an hour-and-a-half drive east
from Portland. The were displayed for the first time in 2004."
"Formerly called Horsethief Lake, the state park is indisputably the
best place to see native petroglyphs in the Northwest. "
[snip]
https://www.oregonlive.com/terryrichard/2010/07/petroglyphs_moved.html
Our next little adventure will probably be Shad fishing near the
Bonneville dam on the Columbia River. So are supposed to be millions of
them passing by. So maybe we can catch a few. They're supposed to be excellent crab bait.
TB
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