• No One Would Know It Was Us

    From kmiller@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 7 07:00:34 2022
    “NO ONE WOULD KNOW IT WAS US”: TRUMP THOUGHT HE COULD FIRE MISSILES INTO MEXICO AND BLAME IT ON ANOTHER COUNTRY

    Something you probably picked up on over the last few years is that
    Donald Trump has little to no grasp on reality. We know this because he
    thinks he invented the phrase “prime the pump”; that Ivanka created 14 millions of jobs; that health insurance costs $12 a year; that Greenland
    is for sale; that the three best days of Queen Elizabeth’s life were the
    ones she spent with him; and that he could shoot missiles into another
    country and no one would find out.

    Yes, The New York Times reports that in his forthcoming memoir, A Sacred
    Oath, former Defense Secretary Mark Esper recounts that in the summer of
    2020, Trump asked, on at least two occasions, if the military could
    “shoot missiles into Mexico to destroy the drug labs,” saying, “They don’t have control of their own country.” Told all the various reasons
    this idea was a non-starter, the then president insisted that they could
    do it “quietly,” adding: “no one would know it was us.” Apparently informed that yes, in fact, people would know it was the U.S., Trump
    responded that he would simply lie and say we didn’t do it. While this obviously sounds absolutely insane, Trump has actually floated similar
    ideas in public. (In a speech to Republican donors in March, Trump
    suggested that the U.S. should “put the Chinese flag” on its military planes, “bomb the shit” out of Russia, “and then we say, China did it,
    we didn’t do it, China did it, and [let them] start fighting with each other.”)

    According to Esper, Trump became more emboldened after his first
    impeachment acquittal. Around the same time he was suggesting to
    secretly bomb Mexico and pass it off like he didn’t do it, Trump also
    wanted to put 10,000 active-duty troops on the streets of D.C. to police
    the protests in the wake of George Floyd’s murder. (It was these
    protesters that, per Esper, Trump wanted to “just shoot.”) And in May of 2020, Trump apparently “behaved so erratically” during a meeting about China that the Joint Chiefs of Staff subsequently felt the need to
    research the 25th Amendment, i.e. the mechanism by which the president
    is removed from office by his cabinet. (A spokesman for Trump did not
    respond to the Times’ request for comment.)

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/donald-trump-mexico-missiles-mark-esper

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to kmiller on Sat May 7 08:20:28 2022
    On 5/7/2022 7:00 AM, kmiller wrote:

    “NO ONE WOULD KNOW IT WAS US”: TRUMP THOUGHT HE COULD FIRE MISSILES INTO MEXICO AND BLAME IT ON ANOTHER COUNTRY

    Something you probably picked up on over the last few years is that
    Donald Trump has little to no grasp on reality. We know this because he thinks he invented the phrase “prime the pump”; that Ivanka created 14 millions of jobs; that health insurance costs $12 a year; that Greenland
    is for sale; that the three best days of Queen Elizabeth’s life were the ones she spent with him; and that he could shoot missiles into another country and no one would find out.

    Yes, The New York Times reports that in his forthcoming memoir, A Sacred Oath, former Defense Secretary Mark Esper recounts that in the summer of 2020, Trump asked, on at least two occasions, if the military could
    “shoot missiles into Mexico to destroy the drug labs,” saying, “They don’t have control of their own country.” Told all the various reasons this idea was a non-starter, the then president insisted that they could
    do it “quietly,” adding: “no one would know it was us.” Apparently informed that yes, in fact, people would know it was the U.S., Trump responded that he would simply lie and say we didn’t do it. While this obviously sounds absolutely insane, Trump has actually floated similar
    ideas in public. (In a speech to Republican donors in March, Trump
    suggested that the U.S. should “put the Chinese flag” on its military planes, “bomb the shit” out of Russia, “and then we say, China did it, we didn’t do it, China did it, and [let them] start fighting with each other.”)

    According to Esper, Trump became more emboldened after his first
    impeachment acquittal. Around the same time he was suggesting to
    secretly bomb Mexico and pass it off like he didn’t do it, Trump also wanted to put 10,000 active-duty troops on the streets of D.C. to police
    the protests in the wake of George Floyd’s murder. (It was these
    protesters that, per Esper, Trump wanted to “just shoot.”) And in May of 2020, Trump apparently “behaved so erratically” during a meeting about China that the Joint Chiefs of Staff subsequently felt the need to
    research the 25th Amendment, i.e. the mechanism by which the president
    is removed from office by his cabinet. (A spokesman for Trump did not
    respond to the Times’ request for comment.)

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/donald-trump-mexico-missiles-mark-esper


    "Fuck Esper! Fuck Milley! Fuck Kelly! Fuck Wray! Fuck Comey! Fuck ALL
    the coward enablers!

    My fucking God! I served almost 30 years in the Navy. I don't consider
    myself some kind of hero, or the epitome of integrity, but I think for
    sure I would have screamed from the rafters if I ever worked for a
    person of such immense power that was FUCKING INSANE!

    I would like to think that, even if it would have cost a career, some
    things are so God damned important you are obligated to report up the
    chain of command.

    That obligation doesn't stop when you "are" the chain of command. If
    anything, that obligation intensifies when you reach the pinnacle.

    We have fucking 18 year old men and women serving as Plane Captains on
    the flight deck of aircraft carriers. Those 18 year old kids can stop
    the entire flight schedule if something isn't right...No questions
    asked, until it is determined that an aircraft is fit to fly, or
    discrepacies are fixed.

    We expect more from 18 year old kids, than we do from leaders?

    You know, the fact that a fucking orange circus clown wanted to fucking
    bomb Mexico, and blame it on another country IS SOMETHING THE AMERICAN
    PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BEFORE THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.

    When you march with a dipshit, in your uniform, to a place where he just ordered the violent assault on your fellow Americans so he can have a
    fucking photo OP, I will accept an apology from Seaman Gundeck, but an
    apology from the fucking Chairman of the fucking Joint Chiefs of fucking
    Staff is not enough

    Kind of makes me think that all those lecture about Honor, Courage,
    Committment and Integrity only applied to junior military personnel.

    No one can take your integrity from you. You have to give it away.

    Fuck every last one of these sanctimonious pricks. They have done more
    to tear down America than Donnie Dipshit and Putin combined."

    https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216667335

    TB

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  • From Frank Howell@21:1/5 to kmiller on Tue May 10 00:55:27 2022
    kmiller wrote:

    “NO ONE WOULD KNOW IT WAS US”: TRUMP THOUGHT HE COULD FIRE MISSILES INTO MEXICO AND BLAME IT ON ANOTHER COUNTRY

    Something you probably picked up on over the last few years is that
    Donald Trump has little to no grasp on reality. We know this because he thinks he invented the phrase “prime the pump”; that Ivanka created 14 millions of jobs; that health insurance costs $12 a year; that Greenland
    is for sale; that the three best days of Queen Elizabeth’s life were the ones she spent with him; and that he could shoot missiles into another country and no one would find out.

    Yes, The New York Times reports that in his forthcoming memoir, A Sacred Oath, former Defense Secretary Mark Esper recounts that in the summer of 2020, Trump asked, on at least two occasions, if the military could
    “shoot missiles into Mexico to destroy the drug labs,” saying, “They don’t have control of their own country.” Told all the various reasons this idea was a non-starter, the then president insisted that they could
    do it “quietly,” adding: “no one would know it was us.” Apparently informed that yes, in fact, people would know it was the U.S., Trump responded that he would simply lie and say we didn’t do it. While this obviously sounds absolutely insane, Trump has actually floated similar
    ideas in public. (In a speech to Republican donors in March, Trump
    suggested that the U.S. should “put the Chinese flag” on its military planes, “bomb the shit” out of Russia, “and then we say, China did it, we didn’t do it, China did it, and [let them] start fighting with each other.”)

    According to Esper, Trump became more emboldened after his first
    impeachment acquittal. Around the same time he was suggesting to
    secretly bomb Mexico and pass it off like he didn’t do it, Trump also wanted to put 10,000 active-duty troops on the streets of D.C. to police
    the protests in the wake of George Floyd’s murder. (It was these
    protesters that, per Esper, Trump wanted to “just shoot.”) And in May of 2020, Trump apparently “behaved so erratically” during a meeting about China that the Joint Chiefs of Staff subsequently felt the need to
    research the 25th Amendment, i.e. the mechanism by which the president
    is removed from office by his cabinet. (A spokesman for Trump did not
    respond to the Times’ request for comment.)

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/donald-trump-mexico-missiles-mark-esper
    By deity I love it. Unfortunately Trump loyalists will love it. Their
    interpretation will be Trump can do no wrong and would agree that Mexico
    should be held responsible for all drug deaths in the US.

    "I fired Yesper because he was a RINO incapable of leading, and I had
    to run the military myself."

    "Mark Esper was a stiff who was desperate not to lose his job. He would
    do anything I wanted, that's why I call him 'Yesper.'"

    The origin of the nickname revealed. Also, Trump is trying to argue two seemingly contradictory things against Esper: That he was ineffective
    and that he would do anything Trump wanted. How can both be right?

    https://tinyurl.com/y6dfyq8p

    When you have a mind like Trump's there is no wrong. And no lies.

    --
    Frank Howell

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