• Roe vs Wade

    From Jerry@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 18:25:43 2022
    Or, more accurately
    Mississippi DOH vs Jackson Woman's Health Organization, et al.

    Below are a few excerpts from the leaked decision.

    We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision - including the one on which the defenders of
    Roe and Casey now chiefly rely: the Due Process Clause of the 14th
    Amendment. That provision has been held to guarantee some rights that
    are not mentioned in the Constitution, but any such right must be
    “deeply rooted in this Nation's history and tradition” and “implicit in
    the concept of ordered liberty.” The right to abortion docs not fall
    within this category.

    Until the latter part of the 20th century, such a right was entirely
    unknown in American law. Indeed, when the 14th Amendment was adopted,
    three quarters of the States made abortion a crime - at all stages of pregnancy. The abortion right is also critically different from any
    other right that this Court has held to fall within the 14th Amendment's protection of 'liberty.' Roe's defenders characterize the abortion right
    as similar to the rights recognized in past decisions involving matters
    such as intimate sexual relations, contraception, and marriage, but
    abortion is fundamentally different, as both Roe and Casey acknowledged, because it destroys what those decisions called 'fetal life' and what
    the law now before us describes as an 'unborn human being'.

    Stare decisis, the doctrine on which Casey's controlling opinion was
    based, does not compel unending adherence to Roe's abuse of judicial
    authority. Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And
    far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe
    and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division. It is time to heed
    the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people's
    elected representatives.

    Conclusion

    We end this opinion where we began. Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State
    from regulating or prohibiting abortion. Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to
    the people and their elected representatives.‘The judgment of the Fifth
    Circuit is reversed, and the case is remanded for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.

    It is ordered
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    There it is - "Roe was egregiously wrong from the start." "The
    Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from
    regulating or prohibiting abortion." "We now overrule those decisions
    and return that authority to the people and their elected
    representatives."

    Oklahoma has just passed a "Heartbeat" law and has a "Trigger" law in
    place just waiting to ban nearly all abortions as soon as the SCOTUS
    returns the question of abortion to the States - where it belongs.

    Let's go Brandon!!!

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  • From Hank@21:1/5 to Jerry on Thu May 5 01:46:40 2022
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 7:25:48 PM UTC-4, Jerry wrote:
    Or, more accurately
    Mississippi DOH vs Jackson Woman's Health Organization, et al.

    Below are a few excerpts from the leaked decision.

    We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision - including the one on which the defenders of
    Roe and Casey now chiefly rely: the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment. That provision has been held to guarantee some rights that
    are not mentioned in the Constitution, but any such right must be
    “deeply rooted in this Nation's history and tradition” and “implicit in
    the concept of ordered liberty.” The right to abortion docs not fall within this category.

    Until the latter part of the 20th century, such a right was entirely
    unknown in American law. Indeed, when the 14th Amendment was adopted,
    three quarters of the States made abortion a crime - at all stages of pregnancy. The abortion right is also critically different from any
    other right that this Court has held to fall within the 14th Amendment's protection of 'liberty.' Roe's defenders characterize the abortion right
    as similar to the rights recognized in past decisions involving matters
    such as intimate sexual relations, contraception, and marriage, but
    abortion is fundamentally different, as both Roe and Casey acknowledged, because it destroys what those decisions called 'fetal life' and what
    the law now before us describes as an 'unborn human being'.

    Stare decisis, the doctrine on which Casey's controlling opinion was
    based, does not compel unending adherence to Roe's abuse of judicial authority. Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And
    far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe
    and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division. It is time to heed
    the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people's
    elected representatives.

    Conclusion

    We end this opinion where we began. Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State
    from regulating or prohibiting abortion. Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to
    the people and their elected representatives.‘The judgment of the Fifth Circuit is reversed, and the case is remanded for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.

    It is ordered
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    There it is - "Roe was egregiously wrong from the start." "The
    Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from
    regulating or prohibiting abortion." "We now overrule those decisions
    and return that authority to the people and their elected
    representatives."

    Oklahoma has just passed a "Heartbeat" law and has a "Trigger" law in
    place just waiting to ban nearly all abortions as soon as the SCOTUS
    returns the question of abortion to the States - where it belongs.

    Let's go Brandon!!!

    If they can tell women what to do to their bodies, can we tell men that are more than 6 months behind on child support to get a vasectomy?

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to "Jerry on Fri May 6 17:19:44 2022
    On 5/4/2022 4:25 PM, "Jerry Osage"@osage.com wrote:
    Or, more accurately
    Mississippi DOH vs Jackson Woman's Health Organization, et al.

    Below are a few excerpts from the leaked decision.

    We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision - including the one on which the defenders of
    Roe and Casey now chiefly rely: the Due Process Clause of the 14th
    Amendment. That provision has been held to guarantee some rights that
    are not mentioned in the Constitution, but any such right must be
    “deeply rooted in this Nation's history and tradition” and “implicit in the concept of ordered liberty.” The right to abortion docs not fall
    within this category.

    Until the latter part of the 20th century, such a right was entirely
    unknown in American law. Indeed, when the 14th Amendment was adopted,
    three quarters of the States made abortion a crime - at all stages of pregnancy.
    [snip]

    Wow, that's an incredible amount of pure bullshit.

    "Want a quick break to read a 114 year old story that literally would
    not exist if Alito’s draft were right about the history of abortion law?

    It’s a tale of scandal, intrigue, and *most of all* what ppl actually understood about the rt to abortion in early America. Thread:
    In 1908, Oregon prosecutors charged an electrotherapist named J.D. Dunn
    w/ sexually abusing a 14-year-old patient. At trial, Dunn’s defense
    turned on a single witness, a certain Mrs. Kruse who said she was in the
    office during the alleged abuse and that it never happened. 2/13"

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1522314696275075073.html

    Nobody considered it an abortion unless it happened after
    "quickening".

    TB

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