For the forth time. https://tinyurl.com/yydaa4l3
Frank Howell wrote:
For the forth time. https://tinyurl.com/yydaa4l3It'll be a pisser if Musk gets the Starship into a partial orbit before
ULA can even successfully complete a wet dress rehearsal on the SLS.
bfh wrote:
Frank Howell wrote:This is the problem when dealing with NASA's trying to save taxpayers
For the forth time. https://tinyurl.com/yydaa4l3It'll be a pisser if Musk gets the Starship into a partial orbit before
ULA can even successfully complete a wet dress rehearsal on the SLS.
money by using 50 year old Apollo used space gear such as:
The first four flights will each use and expend four of the remaining
sixteen RS-25D engines previously flown on Space Shuttle missions.
So they decided to use antiques that cost $150 mil each once and drop
them in the ocean.
"The five-segment solid rocket boosters provide approximately 25% more
total impulse than the Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters, but will not be recovered after use."
The deficiencies of the Shuttle are far more then space allows here but
every effort to reduce cost of rocket lead to opposite effect.
And introduced risk!
Frank Howell wrote:
For the forth time. https://tinyurl.com/yydaa4l3It'll be a pisser if Musk gets the Starship into a partial orbit before
ULA can even successfully complete a wet dress rehearsal on the SLS.
bfh wrote:
Frank Howell wrote:Not without a PEA from the FAA. The delay accordingly to the FAA is
For the forth time. https://tinyurl.com/yydaa4l3It'll be a pisser if Musk gets the Starship into a partial orbit
before ULA can even successfully complete a wet dress rehearsal on
the SLS.
due to additional paperwork from SpaceX.
That said I don't believe it.
I suspect the existing PEA was predicated on the BFR a modest rocket compared to the Starship a much larger rocket and every bit of of it reusable. With this kind of arrangement the launch cadence should be
very robust and very loud and a problem for the FAA to justify. Maybe.
Elon did say if the PEA isn't granted he would move the Starbase to
Florida.
The FAA noted that completing the environmental review does not
guarantee the issuance of a vehicle operator license, which also is contingent upon meeting FAA requirements for safety, risk and
financial responsibility.
The FAA is deciding whether the planned build-out in Texas poses a significant environmental impact to the area - including an adjacent wildlife reserve - and must therefore undergo a far more extensive
study before expanded operations at SpaceX's rocket production
facility and space port in Boca Chica can be licensed.
Even in a "worst-case" scenario, in which a full environmental impact statement were required or legal wrangling over the issue threatened
to drag on, Musk said SpaceX has a fall-back plan.
The company would shift its entire Starship program to the Kennedy
Space Center in Cape Canaveral, Florida, where SpaceX already has
received the environmental approval it needs, Musk said.
Such a move would cause a setback of six to eight months, he added. In
any case, SpaceX is still shooting for a 2023 launch of what it calls
the world's first private lunar mission, flying aboard a Starship to
loop around the moon and return to Earth.
https://tinyurl.com/yydaa4l3
An aside: many years ago Elon did offer to buy out residences in the
Boca Chica area. Was rebuffed IIRC.
Frank Howell wrote:
bfh wrote:
Frank Howell wrote:Not without a PEA from the FAA. The delay accordingly to the FAA is
For the forth time. https://tinyurl.com/yydaa4l3It'll be a pisser if Musk gets the Starship into a partial orbit
before ULA can even successfully complete a wet dress rehearsal on
the SLS.
due to additional paperwork from SpaceX.
That said I don't believe it.
I suspect the existing PEA was predicated on the BFR a modest rocket
compared to the Starship a much larger rocket and every bit of of it
reusable. With this kind of arrangement the launch cadence should be
very robust and very loud and a problem for the FAA to justify. Maybe.
Elon did say if the PEA isn't granted he would move the Starbase to
Florida.
The FAA noted that completing the environmental review does not
guarantee the issuance of a vehicle operator license, which also is
contingent upon meeting FAA requirements for safety, risk and
financial responsibility.
The FAA is deciding whether the planned build-out in Texas poses a
significant environmental impact to the area - including an adjacent
wildlife reserve - and must therefore undergo a far more extensive
study before expanded operations at SpaceX's rocket production
facility and space port in Boca Chica can be licensed.
Even in a "worst-case" scenario, in which a full environmental impact
statement were required or legal wrangling over the issue threatened
to drag on, Musk said SpaceX has a fall-back plan.
The company would shift its entire Starship program to the Kennedy
Space Center in Cape Canaveral, Florida, where SpaceX already has
received the environmental approval it needs, Musk said.
Such a move would cause a setback of six to eight months, he added. In
any case, SpaceX is still shooting for a 2023 launch of what it calls
the world's first private lunar mission, flying aboard a Starship to
loop around the moon and return to Earth.
https://tinyurl.com/yydaa4l3
An aside: many years ago Elon did offer to buy out residences in the
Boca Chica area. Was rebuffed IIRC.
If I lived there, I sure wouldn't sell - I'd want to stay there to see
big rocket launches up close.
Frank Howell <fphowell@usermail.com> wrote:Spot-on, George!
bfh wrote:
Frank Howell wrote:This is the problem when dealing with NASA's trying to save taxpayers
For the forth time. https://tinyurl.com/yydaa4l3It'll be a pisser if Musk gets the Starship into a partial orbit before
ULA can even successfully complete a wet dress rehearsal on the SLS.
money by using 50 year old Apollo used space gear such as:
The first four flights will each use and expend four of the remaining
sixteen RS-25D engines previously flown on Space Shuttle missions.
So they decided to use antiques that cost $150 mil each once and drop
them in the ocean.
"The five-segment solid rocket boosters provide approximately 25% more
total impulse than the Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters, but will not be
recovered after use."
The deficiencies of the Shuttle are far more then space allows here but
every effort to reduce cost of rocket lead to opposite effect.
And introduced risk!
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