• Re: Social media companies

    From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Thu Apr 28 12:30:16 2022
    On 4/28/22 12:19 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

    "GUEST ESSAY

    I Blew the Whistle on Facebook. Europe Just Showed Us the Next Step."

    "Elon Musk’s deal to take Twitter private, which has spurred questions about power, censorship and safety for the future of the platform,
    happened just days after the European Union reached a landmark agreement
    to make social media less toxic for users. The new E.U. standards, and
    the ethic of transparency on which they are based, will for the first
    time pull back the curtain on the algorithms that choose what we see and
    when we see it in our feeds.

    In Europe’s case, the dryly named Digital Services Act is the most significant piece of social media legislation in history. It goes to the heart of what I’ve tried to do as a whistle-blower who worked inside Facebook: make social media far better without impinging on free speech. Today, Facebook’s poorly implemented content moderation strategies leave those most at risk of real world violence unprotected and only
    consistently succeed at one thing: angering everyone.

    Last October, I came forward a with a simple message: Facebook knew it
    was cutting corners to make more money, and the public was paying the
    price. In over 20,000 pages of documents that I disclosed to the
    Securities and Exchange Commission and to Congress, the public learned
    what Facebook already knew — its products were spurring hate and
    division, leading teenagers into rabbit holes of self-harm and anorexia, leaving millions of users without basic safety systems for hate speech
    or violence incitement and, at times, were even used to sell humans
    across the platform.

    Global companies had chosen profit-maximizing strategies at the expense
    of the public interest before. We’ve seen it with pollution in the
    chemical industry, environmental damage in natural resource extraction
    and predatory mortgages in financial services.

    What distinguishes the bad practices of these other industries from Big
    Tech is simple — there are laws holding them accountable. That’s what government is intended to do in democratic capitalism: use the law to
    steer the market back into alignment with the public interest. When concentrated monopolistic power privileges the few over the many and
    distorts how the free market operates, this kind of correction is vital.

    How the new European law is carried out will be just as important as
    passing it. It is a broad and comprehensive set of rules and standards,
    not unlike food safety standards for cleanliness and allergen labeling.
    But what is also remarkable about it is that it focuses on oversight of
    the design and implementation of systems (like how algorithms behave)
    rather than determining what is good or bad speech.

    The law requires that Facebook and other large social platforms be transparent about what content is being amplified and shared virally
    across the platform. And it must apply consumer protections to features
    that, among other things, spy on users, addict kids or weaken public
    safety. With transparency finally required, it will be easier for
    European regulators and civil society to verify that companies are
    following the rules.

    These rules are like systems in the United States that compel
    pharmaceutical companies to keep drugs safe and to allow the Food and
    Drug Administration to independently verify the results. Most people
    aren’t aware of them, but we’re all glad they are there.

    The new requirement for access to data will allow independent research
    into the impact of social media products on public health and welfare.
    For example, Facebook, Instagram and others will have to open up the
    black box of which pages, posts and videos get the most likes and shares
    — shining light on the outcomes of the algorithms.

    This will allow thousands more people, not just those who work at these companies, to address the complex problems of how information markets
    change social outcomes. As an algorithmic specialist and data scientist, I’m most excited by this. No longer will we depend on taking the companies’ word for it when they say they are trying to fix a safety problem. Democratic and investor accountability and oversight of big companies boils down to whether we can accurately diagnose the problems
    their products are causing, devise solutions and verify that the
    industry is actually following through with them. The era of “just trust us” is over."
    [snip]

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/28/opinion/social-media-facebook-transparency.html


          This has all been going on since well before Mr. Musk displayed any interest in getting in the business and he has said he wants
    Twitter's algorithms to be transparent.

           Another fun thing that has gone unmentioned here is that if the orange outrage ever gets seriously back into tweeting or "truthing",
    that isn't necessarily a good thing for the GOP. The retrummplicans seem
    to have forgotten how the idiot gifted a couple of senate seats to the Democrats.

    "Donald Trump Rejoining Twitter Could Hurt Republicans in Midterms
    BY KATHERINE FUNG ON 4/26/22 AT 2:04 PM EDT"

    "Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter has renewed hopes that Donald
    Trump's account could be reinstated, but the former president has vowed
    not to return to the social media giant—a possible political win for the Republican Party.

    Political consultants told Newsweek that Trump's determination to stay
    off Twitter could help the GOP take back both the House and the Senate
    in November's midterms.

    "Truth be told, most Republican lawmakers would prefer that he not
    rejoin the Twitter universe, because it will be impossible for them to
    stay on message if he does," said Jay Townsend, a Republican political consultant who has worked for four presidential campaigns and a number
    of congressional races."

    "Some political observers doubt that Trump would be able to refrain from using Twitter, noting that the former president "is known to change his
    mind with great frequency." But Townsend and another Republican
    strategist, Alex Patton, said that keeping Trump off the platform could definitely help Republicans in the fall.

    Pointing to the U.S. Senate runoff elections in Georgia last year,
    Patton noted that Trump's Twitter presence allowed him to "hijack media coverage," which resulted in mixed messaging to Republican voters who
    were trying to decide if they should cast ballots for GOP candidates or refrain from voting because of skepticism about the election process's integrity.

    "Now that [Trump's] political organization is playing heavily in GOP primaries, if he were to reengage on Twitter, the potential for messy, undisciplined primaries increases dramatically," said Patton, CEO of
    Ozean Media.

    Despite warnings that undermining the election process could deter voter turnout, Trump has continued to assert that the 2020 presidential
    election was "stolen" and that there was widespread voter fraud. No
    evidence has been produced to support the allegations."
    [snip]

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rejoining-twitter-could-hurt-republicans-midterms-1701129


    "​​POLITICO Playbook: Republicans to Trump: Stay away from Twitter
    By RACHAEL BADE and EUGENE DANIELS  04/26/2022 06:15 AM EDT"

    "The news that ELON MUSK is buying Twitter has thrown Washington into a
    tizzy over one major question: Will DONALD TRUMP return to his old
    favorite social media platform and start tweeting again?

    As it turns out, no one is more petrified of this than members of
    Trump’s own party.

    On Monday night, in a series of calls and texts with several top GOP insiders, every single one of them told us that they hoped the former president stays the hell away from Twitter, lest he sink their chances
    at flipping the House and Senate. Some of his allies even think that a
    return to his old Twitter habits could damage his own brand ahead of a possible third presidential bid in 2024.

    “If I’m a Democrat, I’d pray that Elon Musk puts Trump right back on Twitter,” said one House GOP leadership aide, who asked not to be named
    to speak candidly. “I don’t think it costs Republicans the House, but it certainly will elevate Trump’s opinions — and is going to put Republican candidates and members back having to answer for that.”

    The person added: “It’s enough to create headaches — and it’s enough to
    probably cost us a couple seats.”

    Some may find this a rather surprising reaction, given that many
    Republicans have both accused Big Tech of censoring conservative voices
    (the former president being the most prominent example) and showered
    praise on the Musk takeover. But as is often the case with the GOP and
    all things Trump, privately, they feel very differently.

    To be sure, there’s a lot yet unknown about whether or not Trump will return to Twitter.

    Will Twitter allow it? Questions abound over whether Musk’s new
    leadership team will allow the resurrection of the now-defunct @realDonaldTrump handle. (The Tesla and SpaceX impresario, however, has blasted Twitter’s permanent bans and what he views as its censorship of free speech.)

    Will Trump even want to rejoin? Trump said on Fox News on Monday that he doesn’t intend to return to the platform, and will instead stick to his
    own social media startup, Truth Social. “I am not going on Twitter,” he said. “I am going to stay on Truth.”

    Here’s the thing: Nobody really believes him."
    [snip]

         I expect Mr. Musk to piss off the loons at both ends of the spectrum. For example, the lefties are likely to be concerned with how
    Mr. Musk's supposedly absolutist free speech ideals work out in China.

         I bought more popcorn. I should be all set for the next few months at least.

         [I don't own stock in any social media companies and I am not currently working for any of them. I make it a practice to not get too attached to the clients. I may be a grand pain here, but I have never
    tweeted in my entire life.]

    TB


    Maybe not but you sure have crowed a lot.

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  • From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to bfh on Thu Apr 28 12:47:05 2022
    On 4/28/22 12:39 PM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
         Another fun thing that has gone unmentioned here is that if the
    orange outrage ever gets seriously back into tweeting or "truthing",
    that isn't necessarily a good thing for the GOP. The retrummplicans
    seem to have forgotten how the idiot gifted a couple of senate seats
    to the Democrats.

    I haven't forgotten it. My wife wishes I would - or wishes I'd at least shutup about it for a few days in a row.
    I think it was more like three seats. Stacy Abrams takes up two by herself.

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Thu Apr 28 13:39:00 2022
    Technobarbarian wrote:
        Another fun thing that has gone unmentioned here is that if the orange outrage ever gets seriously back into tweeting or "truthing",
    that isn't necessarily a good thing for the GOP. The retrummplicans
    seem to have forgotten how the idiot gifted a couple of senate seats
    to the Democrats.

    I haven't forgotten it. My wife wishes I would - or wishes I'd at
    least shutup about it for a few days in a row.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 28 10:19:34 2022
    "GUEST ESSAY

    I Blew the Whistle on Facebook. Europe Just Showed Us the Next Step."

    "Elon Musk’s deal to take Twitter private, which has spurred questions
    about power, censorship and safety for the future of the platform,
    happened just days after the European Union reached a landmark agreement
    to make social media less toxic for users. The new E.U. standards, and
    the ethic of transparency on which they are based, will for the first
    time pull back the curtain on the algorithms that choose what we see and
    when we see it in our feeds.

    In Europe’s case, the dryly named Digital Services Act is the most significant piece of social media legislation in history. It goes to the
    heart of what I’ve tried to do as a whistle-blower who worked inside Facebook: make social media far better without impinging on free speech.
    Today, Facebook’s poorly implemented content moderation strategies leave those most at risk of real world violence unprotected and only
    consistently succeed at one thing: angering everyone.

    Last October, I came forward a with a simple message: Facebook knew it
    was cutting corners to make more money, and the public was paying the
    price. In over 20,000 pages of documents that I disclosed to the
    Securities and Exchange Commission and to Congress, the public learned
    what Facebook already knew — its products were spurring hate and
    division, leading teenagers into rabbit holes of self-harm and anorexia, leaving millions of users without basic safety systems for hate speech
    or violence incitement and, at times, were even used to sell humans
    across the platform.

    Global companies had chosen profit-maximizing strategies at the expense
    of the public interest before. We’ve seen it with pollution in the
    chemical industry, environmental damage in natural resource extraction
    and predatory mortgages in financial services.

    What distinguishes the bad practices of these other industries from Big
    Tech is simple — there are laws holding them accountable. That’s what government is intended to do in democratic capitalism: use the law to
    steer the market back into alignment with the public interest. When concentrated monopolistic power privileges the few over the many and
    distorts how the free market operates, this kind of correction is vital.

    How the new European law is carried out will be just as important as
    passing it. It is a broad and comprehensive set of rules and standards,
    not unlike food safety standards for cleanliness and allergen labeling.
    But what is also remarkable about it is that it focuses on oversight of
    the design and implementation of systems (like how algorithms behave)
    rather than determining what is good or bad speech.

    The law requires that Facebook and other large social platforms be
    transparent about what content is being amplified and shared virally
    across the platform. And it must apply consumer protections to features
    that, among other things, spy on users, addict kids or weaken public
    safety. With transparency finally required, it will be easier for
    European regulators and civil society to verify that companies are
    following the rules.

    These rules are like systems in the United States that compel
    pharmaceutical companies to keep drugs safe and to allow the Food and
    Drug Administration to independently verify the results. Most people
    aren’t aware of them, but we’re all glad they are there.

    The new requirement for access to data will allow independent research
    into the impact of social media products on public health and welfare.
    For example, Facebook, Instagram and others will have to open up the
    black box of which pages, posts and videos get the most likes and shares
    — shining light on the outcomes of the algorithms.

    This will allow thousands more people, not just those who work at these companies, to address the complex problems of how information markets
    change social outcomes. As an algorithmic specialist and data scientist,
    I’m most excited by this. No longer will we depend on taking the
    companies’ word for it when they say they are trying to fix a safety
    problem. Democratic and investor accountability and oversight of big
    companies boils down to whether we can accurately diagnose the problems
    their products are causing, devise solutions and verify that the
    industry is actually following through with them. The era of “just trust us” is over."
    [snip]

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/28/opinion/social-media-facebook-transparency.html

    This has all been going on since well before Mr. Musk displayed
    any interest in getting in the business and he has said he wants
    Twitter's algorithms to be transparent.

    Another fun thing that has gone unmentioned here is that if the
    orange outrage ever gets seriously back into tweeting or "truthing",
    that isn't necessarily a good thing for the GOP. The retrummplicans seem
    to have forgotten how the idiot gifted a couple of senate seats to the Democrats.

    "Donald Trump Rejoining Twitter Could Hurt Republicans in Midterms
    BY KATHERINE FUNG ON 4/26/22 AT 2:04 PM EDT"

    "Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter has renewed hopes that Donald
    Trump's account could be reinstated, but the former president has vowed
    not to return to the social media giant—a possible political win for the Republican Party.

    Political consultants told Newsweek that Trump's determination to stay
    off Twitter could help the GOP take back both the House and the Senate
    in November's midterms.

    "Truth be told, most Republican lawmakers would prefer that he not
    rejoin the Twitter universe, because it will be impossible for them to
    stay on message if he does," said Jay Townsend, a Republican political consultant who has worked for four presidential campaigns and a number
    of congressional races."

    "Some political observers doubt that Trump would be able to refrain from
    using Twitter, noting that the former president "is known to change his
    mind with great frequency." But Townsend and another Republican
    strategist, Alex Patton, said that keeping Trump off the platform could definitely help Republicans in the fall.

    Pointing to the U.S. Senate runoff elections in Georgia last year,
    Patton noted that Trump's Twitter presence allowed him to "hijack media coverage," which resulted in mixed messaging to Republican voters who
    were trying to decide if they should cast ballots for GOP candidates or
    refrain from voting because of skepticism about the election process's integrity.

    "Now that [Trump's] political organization is playing heavily in GOP
    primaries, if he were to reengage on Twitter, the potential for messy, undisciplined primaries increases dramatically," said Patton, CEO of
    Ozean Media.

    Despite warnings that undermining the election process could deter voter turnout, Trump has continued to assert that the 2020 presidential
    election was "stolen" and that there was widespread voter fraud. No
    evidence has been produced to support the allegations."
    [snip]

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rejoining-twitter-could-hurt-republicans-midterms-1701129

    "​​POLITICO Playbook: Republicans to Trump: Stay away from Twitter
    By RACHAEL BADE and EUGENE DANIELS 04/26/2022 06:15 AM EDT"

    "The news that ELON MUSK is buying Twitter has thrown Washington into a
    tizzy over one major question: Will DONALD TRUMP return to his old
    favorite social media platform and start tweeting again?

    As it turns out, no one is more petrified of this than members of
    Trump’s own party.

    On Monday night, in a series of calls and texts with several top GOP
    insiders, every single one of them told us that they hoped the former
    president stays the hell away from Twitter, lest he sink their chances
    at flipping the House and Senate. Some of his allies even think that a
    return to his old Twitter habits could damage his own brand ahead of a
    possible third presidential bid in 2024.

    “If I’m a Democrat, I’d pray that Elon Musk puts Trump right back on Twitter,” said one House GOP leadership aide, who asked not to be named
    to speak candidly. “I don’t think it costs Republicans the House, but it certainly will elevate Trump’s opinions — and is going to put Republican candidates and members back having to answer for that.”

    The person added: “It’s enough to create headaches — and it’s enough to probably cost us a couple seats.”

    Some may find this a rather surprising reaction, given that many
    Republicans have both accused Big Tech of censoring conservative voices
    (the former president being the most prominent example) and showered
    praise on the Musk takeover. But as is often the case with the GOP and
    all things Trump, privately, they feel very differently.

    To be sure, there’s a lot yet unknown about whether or not Trump will
    return to Twitter.

    Will Twitter allow it? Questions abound over whether Musk’s new
    leadership team will allow the resurrection of the now-defunct
    @realDonaldTrump handle. (The Tesla and SpaceX impresario, however, has
    blasted Twitter’s permanent bans and what he views as its censorship of
    free speech.)

    Will Trump even want to rejoin? Trump said on Fox News on Monday that he doesn’t intend to return to the platform, and will instead stick to his
    own social media startup, Truth Social. “I am not going on Twitter,” he said. “I am going to stay on Truth.”

    Here’s the thing: Nobody really believes him."
    [snip]

    I expect Mr. Musk to piss off the loons at both ends of the
    spectrum. For example, the lefties are likely to be concerned with how
    Mr. Musk's supposedly absolutist free speech ideals work out in China.

    I bought more popcorn. I should be all set for the next few months
    at least.

    [I don't own stock in any social media companies and I am not
    currently working for any of them. I make it a practice to not get too
    attached to the clients. I may be a grand pain here, but I have never
    tweeted in my entire life.]

    TB

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to George.Anthony on Thu Apr 28 10:50:23 2022
    On 4/28/2022 10:30 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
    On 4/28/22 12:19 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

    "GUEST ESSAY

    I Blew the Whistle on Facebook. Europe Just Showed Us the Next Step."

    "Elon Musk’s deal to take Twitter private, which has spurred questions
    about power, censorship and safety for the future of the platform,
    happened just days after the European Union reached a landmark
    agreement to make social media less toxic for users. The new E.U.
    standards, and the ethic of transparency on which they are based, will
    for the first time pull back the curtain on the algorithms that choose
    what we see and when we see it in our feeds.

    In Europe’s case, the dryly named Digital Services Act is the most
    significant piece of social media legislation in history. It goes to
    the heart of what I’ve tried to do as a whistle-blower who worked
    inside Facebook: make social media far better without impinging on
    free speech. Today, Facebook’s poorly implemented content moderation
    strategies leave those most at risk of real world violence unprotected
    and only consistently succeed at one thing: angering everyone.

    Last October, I came forward a with a simple message: Facebook knew it
    was cutting corners to make more money, and the public was paying the
    price. In over 20,000 pages of documents that I disclosed to the
    Securities and Exchange Commission and to Congress, the public learned
    what Facebook already knew — its products were spurring hate and
    division, leading teenagers into rabbit holes of self-harm and
    anorexia, leaving millions of users without basic safety systems for
    hate speech or violence incitement and, at times, were even used to
    sell humans across the platform.

    Global companies had chosen profit-maximizing strategies at the
    expense of the public interest before. We’ve seen it with pollution in
    the chemical industry, environmental damage in natural resource
    extraction and predatory mortgages in financial services.

    What distinguishes the bad practices of these other industries from
    Big Tech is simple — there are laws holding them accountable. That’s
    what government is intended to do in democratic capitalism: use the
    law to steer the market back into alignment with the public interest.
    When concentrated monopolistic power privileges the few over the many
    and distorts how the free market operates, this kind of correction is
    vital.

    How the new European law is carried out will be just as important as
    passing it. It is a broad and comprehensive set of rules and
    standards, not unlike food safety standards for cleanliness and
    allergen labeling. But what is also remarkable about it is that it
    focuses on oversight of the design and implementation of systems (like
    how algorithms behave) rather than determining what is good or bad
    speech.

    The law requires that Facebook and other large social platforms be
    transparent about what content is being amplified and shared virally
    across the platform. And it must apply consumer protections to
    features that, among other things, spy on users, addict kids or weaken
    public safety. With transparency finally required, it will be easier
    for European regulators and civil society to verify that companies are
    following the rules.

    These rules are like systems in the United States that compel
    pharmaceutical companies to keep drugs safe and to allow the Food and
    Drug Administration to independently verify the results. Most people
    aren’t aware of them, but we’re all glad they are there.

    The new requirement for access to data will allow independent research
    into the impact of social media products on public health and welfare.
    For example, Facebook, Instagram and others will have to open up the
    black box of which pages, posts and videos get the most likes and
    shares — shining light on the outcomes of the algorithms.

    This will allow thousands more people, not just those who work at
    these companies, to address the complex problems of how information
    markets change social outcomes. As an algorithmic specialist and data
    scientist, I’m most excited by this. No longer will we depend on
    taking the companies’ word for it when they say they are trying to fix
    a safety problem. Democratic and investor accountability and oversight
    of big companies boils down to whether we can accurately diagnose the
    problems their products are causing, devise solutions and verify that
    the industry is actually following through with them. The era of “just
    trust us” is over."
    [snip]

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/28/opinion/social-media-facebook-transparency.html


           This has all been going on since well before Mr. Musk displayed >> any interest in getting in the business and he has said he wants
    Twitter's algorithms to be transparent.

            Another fun thing that has gone unmentioned here is that if >> the orange outrage ever gets seriously back into tweeting or
    "truthing", that isn't necessarily a good thing for the GOP. The
    retrummplicans seem to have forgotten how the idiot gifted a couple of
    senate seats to the Democrats.

    "Donald Trump Rejoining Twitter Could Hurt Republicans in Midterms
    BY KATHERINE FUNG ON 4/26/22 AT 2:04 PM EDT"

    "Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter has renewed hopes that Donald
    Trump's account could be reinstated, but the former president has
    vowed not to return to the social media giant—a possible political win
    for the Republican Party.

    Political consultants told Newsweek that Trump's determination to stay
    off Twitter could help the GOP take back both the House and the Senate
    in November's midterms.

    "Truth be told, most Republican lawmakers would prefer that he not
    rejoin the Twitter universe, because it will be impossible for them to
    stay on message if he does," said Jay Townsend, a Republican political
    consultant who has worked for four presidential campaigns and a number
    of congressional races."

    "Some political observers doubt that Trump would be able to refrain
    from using Twitter, noting that the former president "is known to
    change his mind with great frequency." But Townsend and another
    Republican strategist, Alex Patton, said that keeping Trump off the
    platform could definitely help Republicans in the fall.

    Pointing to the U.S. Senate runoff elections in Georgia last year,
    Patton noted that Trump's Twitter presence allowed him to "hijack
    media coverage," which resulted in mixed messaging to Republican
    voters who were trying to decide if they should cast ballots for GOP
    candidates or refrain from voting because of skepticism about the
    election process's integrity.

    "Now that [Trump's] political organization is playing heavily in GOP
    primaries, if he were to reengage on Twitter, the potential for messy,
    undisciplined primaries increases dramatically," said Patton, CEO of
    Ozean Media.

    Despite warnings that undermining the election process could deter
    voter turnout, Trump has continued to assert that the 2020
    presidential election was "stolen" and that there was widespread voter
    fraud. No evidence has been produced to support the allegations."
    [snip]

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rejoining-twitter-could-hurt-republicans-midterms-1701129


    "​​POLITICO Playbook: Republicans to Trump: Stay away from Twitter
    By RACHAEL BADE and EUGENE DANIELS  04/26/2022 06:15 AM EDT"

    "The news that ELON MUSK is buying Twitter has thrown Washington into
    a tizzy over one major question: Will DONALD TRUMP return to his old
    favorite social media platform and start tweeting again?

    As it turns out, no one is more petrified of this than members of
    Trump’s own party.

    On Monday night, in a series of calls and texts with several top GOP
    insiders, every single one of them told us that they hoped the former
    president stays the hell away from Twitter, lest he sink their chances
    at flipping the House and Senate. Some of his allies even think that a
    return to his old Twitter habits could damage his own brand ahead of a
    possible third presidential bid in 2024.

    “If I’m a Democrat, I’d pray that Elon Musk puts Trump right back on >> Twitter,” said one House GOP leadership aide, who asked not to be
    named to speak candidly. “I don’t think it costs Republicans the
    House, but it certainly will elevate Trump’s opinions — and is going
    to put Republican candidates and members back having to answer for that.” >>
    The person added: “It’s enough to create headaches — and it’s enough >> to probably cost us a couple seats.”

    Some may find this a rather surprising reaction, given that many
    Republicans have both accused Big Tech of censoring conservative
    voices (the former president being the most prominent example) and
    showered praise on the Musk takeover. But as is often the case with
    the GOP and all things Trump, privately, they feel very differently.

    To be sure, there’s a lot yet unknown about whether or not Trump will
    return to Twitter.

    Will Twitter allow it? Questions abound over whether Musk’s new
    leadership team will allow the resurrection of the now-defunct
    @realDonaldTrump handle. (The Tesla and SpaceX impresario, however,
    has blasted Twitter’s permanent bans and what he views as its
    censorship of free speech.)

    Will Trump even want to rejoin? Trump said on Fox News on Monday that
    he doesn’t intend to return to the platform, and will instead stick to
    his own social media startup, Truth Social. “I am not going on
    Twitter,” he said. “I am going to stay on Truth.”

    Here’s the thing: Nobody really believes him."
    [snip]

          I expect Mr. Musk to piss off the loons at both ends of the
    spectrum. For example, the lefties are likely to be concerned with how
    Mr. Musk's supposedly absolutist free speech ideals work out in China.

          I bought more popcorn. I should be all set for the next few
    months at least.

          [I don't own stock in any social media companies and I am not
    currently working for any of them. I make it a practice to not get too
    attached to the clients. I may be a grand pain here, but I have never
    tweeted in my entire life.]

    TB


    Maybe not but you sure have crowed a lot.


    I'm sure it must look like crowing to you. To me it's more like a
    rational adult talking about the real world around excited children who
    think Christmas has arrived early.

    TB

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to bfh on Thu Apr 28 10:55:20 2022
    On 4/28/2022 10:39 AM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
         Another fun thing that has gone unmentioned here is that if the
    orange outrage ever gets seriously back into tweeting or "truthing",
    that isn't necessarily a good thing for the GOP. The retrummplicans
    seem to have forgotten how the idiot gifted a couple of senate seats
    to the Democrats.

    I haven't forgotten it. My wife wishes I would - or wishes I'd at least shutup about it for a few days in a row.


    lol Cool. So now I'm curious? Personally I have always thought
    Twitter did the Republicans a favor. What do you think? Do you think
    this is likely to work well for Republicans?

    TB

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to George.Anthony on Thu Apr 28 14:23:25 2022
    George.Anthony wrote:
    On 4/28/22 12:19 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

    "GUEST ESSAY

    I Blew the Whistle on Facebook. Europe Just Showed Us the Next Step."

    "Elon Musk’s deal to take Twitter private, which has spurred
    questions about power, censorship and safety for the future of the
    platform, happened just days after the European Union reached a
    landmark agreement to make social media less toxic for users. The
    new E.U. standards, and the ethic of transparency on which they are
    based, will for the first time pull back the curtain on the
    algorithms that choose what we see and when we see it in our feeds.

    In Europe’s case, the dryly named Digital Services Act is the most >> significant piece of social media legislation in history. It goes to
    the heart of what I’ve tried to do as a whistle-blower who worked
    inside Facebook: make social media far better without impinging on
    free speech. Today, Facebook’s poorly implemented content
    moderation strategies leave those most at risk of real world
    violence unprotected and only consistently succeed at one thing:
    angering everyone.

    Last October, I came forward a with a simple message: Facebook knew
    it was cutting corners to make more money, and the public was paying
    the price. In over 20,000 pages of documents that I disclosed to the
    Securities and Exchange Commission and to Congress, the public
    learned what Facebook already knew — its products were spurring
    hate and division, leading teenagers into rabbit holes of self-harm
    and anorexia, leaving millions of users without basic safety systems
    for hate speech or violence incitement and, at times, were even used
    to sell humans across the platform.

    Global companies had chosen profit-maximizing strategies at the
    expense of the public interest before. We’ve seen it with
    pollution in the chemical industry, environmental damage in natural
    resource extraction and predatory mortgages in financial services.

    What distinguishes the bad practices of these other industries from
    Big Tech is simple — there are laws holding them accountable.
    That’s what government is intended to do in democratic capitalism: >> use the law to steer the market back into alignment with the public
    interest. When concentrated monopolistic power privileges the few
    over the many and distorts how the free market operates, this kind
    of correction is vital.

    How the new European law is carried out will be just as important as
    passing it. It is a broad and comprehensive set of rules and
    standards, not unlike food safety standards for cleanliness and
    allergen labeling. But what is also remarkable about it is that it
    focuses on oversight of the design and implementation of systems
    (like how algorithms behave) rather than determining what is good or
    bad speech.

    The law requires that Facebook and other large social platforms be
    transparent about what content is being amplified and shared virally
    across the platform. And it must apply consumer protections to
    features that, among other things, spy on users, addict kids or
    weaken public safety. With transparency finally required, it will be
    easier for European regulators and civil society to verify that
    companies are following the rules.

    These rules are like systems in the United States that compel
    pharmaceutical companies to keep drugs safe and to allow the Food
    and Drug Administration to independently verify the results. Most
    people aren’t aware of them, but we’re all glad they are there.

    The new requirement for access to data will allow independent
    research into the impact of social media products on public health
    and welfare. For example, Facebook, Instagram and others will have
    to open up the black box of which pages, posts and videos get the
    most likes and shares — shining light on the outcomes of the
    algorithms.

    This will allow thousands more people, not just those who work at
    these companies, to address the complex problems of how information
    markets change social outcomes. As an algorithmic specialist and
    data scientist, I’m most excited by this. No longer will we depend >> on taking the companies’ word for it when they say they are trying >> to fix a safety problem. Democratic and investor accountability and
    oversight of big companies boils down to whether we can accurately
    diagnose the problems their products are causing, devise solutions
    and verify that the industry is actually following through with
    them. The era of “just trust us” is over."
    [snip]

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/28/opinion/social-media-facebook-transparency.html


     Â Â Â Â Â  This has all been going on since well before Mr. Musk
    displayed any interest in getting in the business and he has said he
    wants Twitter's algorithms to be transparent.

     Â Â Â Â Â Â  Another fun thing that has gone unmentioned here is
    that if the orange outrage ever gets seriously back into tweeting or
    "truthing", that isn't necessarily a good thing for the GOP. The
    retrummplicans seem to have forgotten how the idiot gifted a couple
    of senate seats to the Democrats.

    "Donald Trump Rejoining Twitter Could Hurt Republicans in Midterms
    BY KATHERINE FUNG ON 4/26/22 AT 2:04 PM EDT"

    "Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter has renewed hopes that Donald
    Trump's account could be reinstated, but the former president has
    vowed not to return to the social media giant—a possible political >> win for the Republican Party.

    Political consultants told Newsweek that Trump's determination to
    stay off Twitter could help the GOP take back both the House and the
    Senate in November's midterms.

    "Truth be told, most Republican lawmakers would prefer that he not
    rejoin the Twitter universe, because it will be impossible for them
    to stay on message if he does," said Jay Townsend, a Republican
    political consultant who has worked for four presidential campaigns
    and a number of congressional races."

    "Some political observers doubt that Trump would be able to refrain
    from using Twitter, noting that the former president "is known to
    change his mind with great frequency." But Townsend and another
    Republican strategist, Alex Patton, said that keeping Trump off the
    platform could definitely help Republicans in the fall.

    Pointing to the U.S. Senate runoff elections in Georgia last year,
    Patton noted that Trump's Twitter presence allowed him to "hijack
    media coverage," which resulted in mixed messaging to Republican
    voters who were trying to decide if they should cast ballots for GOP
    candidates or refrain from voting because of skepticism about the
    election process's integrity.

    "Now that [Trump's] political organization is playing heavily in GOP
    primaries, if he were to reengage on Twitter, the potential for
    messy, undisciplined primaries increases dramatically," said Patton,
    CEO of Ozean Media.

    Despite warnings that undermining the election process could deter
    voter turnout, Trump has continued to assert that the 2020
    presidential election was "stolen" and that there was widespread
    voter fraud. No evidence has been produced to support the allegations."
    [snip]

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rejoining-twitter-could-hurt-republicans-midterms-1701129


    "​​POLITICO Playbook: Republicans to Trump: Stay away from Twitter
    By RACHAEL BADE and EUGENE DANIELS  04/26/2022 06:15 AM EDT"

    "The news that ELON MUSK is buying Twitter has thrown Washington
    into a tizzy over one major question: Will DONALD TRUMP return to
    his old favorite social media platform and start tweeting again?

    As it turns out, no one is more petrified of this than members of
    Trump’s own party.

    On Monday night, in a series of calls and texts with several top GOP
    insiders, every single one of them told us that they hoped the
    former president stays the hell away from Twitter, lest he sink
    their chances at flipping the House and Senate. Some of his allies
    even think that a return to his old Twitter habits could damage his
    own brand ahead of a possible third presidential bid in 2024.

    “If I’m a Democrat, I’d pray that Elon Musk puts Trump right
    back on Twitter,” said one House GOP leadership aide, who asked
    not to be named to speak candidly. “I don’t think it costs
    Republicans the House, but it certainly will elevate Trump’s
    opinions — and is going to put Republican candidates and members
    back having to answer for that.”

    The person added: “It’s enough to create headaches — and
    it’s enough to probably cost us a couple seats.”

    Some may find this a rather surprising reaction, given that many
    Republicans have both accused Big Tech of censoring conservative
    voices (the former president being the most prominent example) and
    showered praise on the Musk takeover. But as is often the case with
    the GOP and all things Trump, privately, they feel very differently.

    To be sure, there’s a lot yet unknown about whether or not Trump
    will return to Twitter.

    Will Twitter allow it? Questions abound over whether Musk’s new
    leadership team will allow the resurrection of the now-defunct
    @realDonaldTrump handle. (The Tesla and SpaceX impresario, however,
    has blasted Twitter’s permanent bans and what he views as its
    censorship of free speech.)

    Will Trump even want to rejoin? Trump said on Fox News on Monday
    that he doesn’t intend to return to the platform, and will instead >> stick to his own social media startup, Truth Social. “I am not
    going on Twitter,” he said. “I am going to stay on Truth.” >>
    Here’s the thing: Nobody really believes him."
    [snip]

     Â Â Â Â  I expect Mr. Musk to piss off the loons at both ends of >> the spectrum. For example, the lefties are likely to be concerned
    with how Mr. Musk's supposedly absolutist free speech ideals work
    out in China.

     Â Â Â Â  I bought more popcorn. I should be all set for the next >> few months at least.

     Â Â Â Â  [I don't own stock in any social media companies and I am
    not currently working for any of them. I make it a practice to not
    get too attached to the clients. I may be a grand pain here, but I
    have never tweeted in my entire life.]

    TB


    Maybe not but you sure have crowed a lot.

    Ha. One of those fowl puns. (if I'm allowed to invoke my expired
    poetic license)

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Thu Apr 28 14:18:14 2022
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 4/28/2022 10:39 AM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
         Another fun thing that has gone unmentioned here is that >>> if the orange outrage ever gets seriously back into tweeting or
    "truthing", that isn't necessarily a good thing for the GOP. The
    retrummplicans seem to have forgotten how the idiot gifted a couple
    of senate seats to the Democrats.

    I haven't forgotten it. My wife wishes I would - or wishes I'd at
    least shutup about it for a few days in a row.


         lol Cool. So now I'm curious? Personally I have always thought Twitter did the Republicans a favor. What do you think? Do you think
    this is likely to work well for Republicans?

    I have no idea. I've only used Twitter in the past as an additional
    source for rocket launch updates - usually when I was roaring down the
    road toward Titusville at 8 over in the left lane. A couple of days
    ago, I started checking from time to time what Musk has to say. I just checked, and I see that Musk has gotten smarter over the years.

    https://twitter.com/i/lists/1513250954971422732
    or:
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144/photo/1

    --
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    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Thu Apr 28 14:10:46 2022
    On 4/28/2022 12:50 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 4/28/2022 10:30 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
    On 4/28/22 12:19 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

    "GUEST ESSAY

    I Blew the Whistle on Facebook. Europe Just Showed Us the Next Step."

    "Elon Musk’s deal to take Twitter private, which has spurred
    questions about power, censorship and safety for the future of the
    platform, happened just days after the European Union reached a
    landmark agreement to make social media less toxic for users. The new
    E.U. standards, and the ethic of transparency on which they are
    based, will for the first time pull back the curtain on the
    algorithms that choose what we see and when we see it in our feeds.

    In Europe’s case, the dryly named Digital Services Act is the most
    significant piece of social media legislation in history. It goes to
    the heart of what I’ve tried to do as a whistle-blower who worked
    inside Facebook: make social media far better without impinging on
    free speech. Today, Facebook’s poorly implemented content moderation
    strategies leave those most at risk of real world violence
    unprotected and only consistently succeed at one thing: angering
    everyone.

    Last October, I came forward a with a simple message: Facebook knew
    it was cutting corners to make more money, and the public was paying
    the price. In over 20,000 pages of documents that I disclosed to the
    Securities and Exchange Commission and to Congress, the public
    learned what Facebook already knew — its products were spurring hate
    and division, leading teenagers into rabbit holes of self-harm and
    anorexia, leaving millions of users without basic safety systems for
    hate speech or violence incitement and, at times, were even used to
    sell humans across the platform.

    Global companies had chosen profit-maximizing strategies at the
    expense of the public interest before. We’ve seen it with pollution
    in the chemical industry, environmental damage in natural resource
    extraction and predatory mortgages in financial services.

    What distinguishes the bad practices of these other industries from
    Big Tech is simple — there are laws holding them accountable. That’s >>> what government is intended to do in democratic capitalism: use the
    law to steer the market back into alignment with the public interest.
    When concentrated monopolistic power privileges the few over the many
    and distorts how the free market operates, this kind of correction is
    vital.

    How the new European law is carried out will be just as important as
    passing it. It is a broad and comprehensive set of rules and
    standards, not unlike food safety standards for cleanliness and
    allergen labeling. But what is also remarkable about it is that it
    focuses on oversight of the design and implementation of systems
    (like how algorithms behave) rather than determining what is good or
    bad speech.

    The law requires that Facebook and other large social platforms be
    transparent about what content is being amplified and shared virally
    across the platform. And it must apply consumer protections to
    features that, among other things, spy on users, addict kids or
    weaken public safety. With transparency finally required, it will be
    easier for European regulators and civil society to verify that
    companies are following the rules.

    These rules are like systems in the United States that compel
    pharmaceutical companies to keep drugs safe and to allow the Food and
    Drug Administration to independently verify the results. Most people
    aren’t aware of them, but we’re all glad they are there.

    The new requirement for access to data will allow independent
    research into the impact of social media products on public health
    and welfare. For example, Facebook, Instagram and others will have to
    open up the black box of which pages, posts and videos get the most
    likes and shares — shining light on the outcomes of the algorithms.

    This will allow thousands more people, not just those who work at
    these companies, to address the complex problems of how information
    markets change social outcomes. As an algorithmic specialist and data
    scientist, I’m most excited by this. No longer will we depend on
    taking the companies’ word for it when they say they are trying to
    fix a safety problem. Democratic and investor accountability and
    oversight of big companies boils down to whether we can accurately
    diagnose the problems their products are causing, devise solutions
    and verify that the industry is actually following through with them.
    The era of “just trust us” is over."
    [snip]

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/28/opinion/social-media-facebook-transparency.html


           This has all been going on since well before Mr. Musk
    displayed any interest in getting in the business and he has said he
    wants Twitter's algorithms to be transparent.

            Another fun thing that has gone unmentioned here is that if >>> the orange outrage ever gets seriously back into tweeting or
    "truthing", that isn't necessarily a good thing for the GOP. The
    retrummplicans seem to have forgotten how the idiot gifted a couple
    of senate seats to the Democrats.

    "Donald Trump Rejoining Twitter Could Hurt Republicans in Midterms
    BY KATHERINE FUNG ON 4/26/22 AT 2:04 PM EDT"

    "Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter has renewed hopes that Donald
    Trump's account could be reinstated, but the former president has
    vowed not to return to the social media giant—a possible political
    win for the Republican Party.

    Political consultants told Newsweek that Trump's determination to
    stay off Twitter could help the GOP take back both the House and the
    Senate in November's midterms.

    "Truth be told, most Republican lawmakers would prefer that he not
    rejoin the Twitter universe, because it will be impossible for them
    to stay on message if he does," said Jay Townsend, a Republican
    political consultant who has worked for four presidential campaigns
    and a number of congressional races."

    "Some political observers doubt that Trump would be able to refrain
    from using Twitter, noting that the former president "is known to
    change his mind with great frequency." But Townsend and another
    Republican strategist, Alex Patton, said that keeping Trump off the
    platform could definitely help Republicans in the fall.

    Pointing to the U.S. Senate runoff elections in Georgia last year,
    Patton noted that Trump's Twitter presence allowed him to "hijack
    media coverage," which resulted in mixed messaging to Republican
    voters who were trying to decide if they should cast ballots for GOP
    candidates or refrain from voting because of skepticism about the
    election process's integrity.

    "Now that [Trump's] political organization is playing heavily in GOP
    primaries, if he were to reengage on Twitter, the potential for
    messy, undisciplined primaries increases dramatically," said Patton,
    CEO of Ozean Media.

    Despite warnings that undermining the election process could deter
    voter turnout, Trump has continued to assert that the 2020
    presidential election was "stolen" and that there was widespread
    voter fraud. No evidence has been produced to support the allegations."
    [snip]

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rejoining-twitter-could-hurt-republicans-midterms-1701129


    "​​POLITICO Playbook: Republicans to Trump: Stay away from Twitter
    By RACHAEL BADE and EUGENE DANIELS  04/26/2022 06:15 AM EDT"

    "The news that ELON MUSK is buying Twitter has thrown Washington into
    a tizzy over one major question: Will DONALD TRUMP return to his old
    favorite social media platform and start tweeting again?

    As it turns out, no one is more petrified of this than members of
    Trump’s own party.

    On Monday night, in a series of calls and texts with several top GOP
    insiders, every single one of them told us that they hoped the former
    president stays the hell away from Twitter, lest he sink their
    chances at flipping the House and Senate. Some of his allies even
    think that a return to his old Twitter habits could damage his own
    brand ahead of a possible third presidential bid in 2024.

    “If I’m a Democrat, I’d pray that Elon Musk puts Trump right back on >>> Twitter,” said one House GOP leadership aide, who asked not to be
    named to speak candidly. “I don’t think it costs Republicans the
    House, but it certainly will elevate Trump’s opinions — and is going >>> to put Republican candidates and members back having to answer for
    that.”

    The person added: “It’s enough to create headaches — and it’s enough
    to probably cost us a couple seats.”

    Some may find this a rather surprising reaction, given that many
    Republicans have both accused Big Tech of censoring conservative
    voices (the former president being the most prominent example) and
    showered praise on the Musk takeover. But as is often the case with
    the GOP and all things Trump, privately, they feel very differently.

    To be sure, there’s a lot yet unknown about whether or not Trump will
    return to Twitter.

    Will Twitter allow it? Questions abound over whether Musk’s new
    leadership team will allow the resurrection of the now-defunct
    @realDonaldTrump handle. (The Tesla and SpaceX impresario, however,
    has blasted Twitter’s permanent bans and what he views as its
    censorship of free speech.)

    Will Trump even want to rejoin? Trump said on Fox News on Monday that
    he doesn’t intend to return to the platform, and will instead stick
    to his own social media startup, Truth Social. “I am not going on
    Twitter,” he said. “I am going to stay on Truth.”

    Here’s the thing: Nobody really believes him."
    [snip]

          I expect Mr. Musk to piss off the loons at both ends of the
    spectrum. For example, the lefties are likely to be concerned with
    how Mr. Musk's supposedly absolutist free speech ideals work out in
    China.

          I bought more popcorn. I should be all set for the next few
    months at least.

          [I don't own stock in any social media companies and I am not >>> currently working for any of them. I make it a practice to not get
    too attached to the clients. I may be a grand pain here, but I have
    never tweeted in my entire life.]

    TB


    Maybe not but you sure have crowed a lot.


        I'm sure it must look like crowing to you. To me it's more like a rational adult talking about the real world around excited children who
    think Christmas has arrived early.

    TB
    Nothing rational about you.

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    Why do liberals fear free speech? Because they can't handle the truth.

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