to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is fighting
back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
Our country was founded by geniuses, but it's being run by idiots LIKE TRUMP
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is fighting
back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
On 4/21/2022 12:18 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is fighting
back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
ROFLMAO You're so confused. I thought you were supposed to be a
YUGE free speech advocate. You radical "conservative" fascists are all
in favor of free speech--until someone says something you don't like.
The first amendment isn't there to protect popular speech. It's there to protect unpopular speech. Disney's only sin was saying things the
Florida fascists don't like.
It should be interesting watching the Florida politicians unscrew themselves. For example:
"For Florida: The biggest issue is nearly $1 billion in tax-free bonds
that have been issued by Disney. Florida law says that if a special tax district is dissolved, the responsibility to pay those bonds reverts to
local governments. Democratic state lawmakers say that the interest on
those bonds equates to an additional tax burden of $580 per person for
the 1.7 million residents of neighboring Orange and Osceola counties,
which would also have to step in and provide many of the public services
for the area that are currently funded by the company. Disney employs
about 80,000 people in Florida."
All the current examples of people trying to restrict speech
appear to be retrumplican. For example:
"For corporate America: Disney’s clash with Florida is the latest
example of how companies’ growing willingness to speak out on social and political issues puts them in conflict with some lawmakers. Last year, Georgia politicians threatened to raise taxes on Delta after the airline spoke out against the state’s restrictive voting laws. More recently,
Texas lawmakers have said they would bar Citigroup from underwriting the state’s bonds unless the bank revoked its policy to pay for employees to travel out of state for abortions, which are severely restricted there."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/21/business/dealbook/disney-florida-taxes.html
TB
Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/21/2022 12:18 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is fighting
back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
ROFLMAO You're so confused. I thought you were supposed to be a
YUGE free speech advocate. You radical "conservative" fascists are all
in favor of free speech--until someone says something you don't like.
The first amendment isn't there to protect popular speech. It's there to
protect unpopular speech. Disney's only sin was saying things the
Florida fascists don't like.
Like Twitter twitter censoring Trump because they don’t agree with what he says. I haven’t seen you advocating for Trump’s first amendment rights. If
it’s good for the goose…
It should be interesting watching the Florida politicians unscrew
themselves. For example:
"For Florida: The biggest issue is nearly $1 billion in tax-free bonds
that have been issued by Disney. Florida law says that if a special tax
district is dissolved, the responsibility to pay those bonds reverts to
local governments. Democratic state lawmakers say that the interest on
those bonds equates to an additional tax burden of $580 per person for
the 1.7 million residents of neighboring Orange and Osceola counties,
which would also have to step in and provide many of the public services
for the area that are currently funded by the company. Disney employs
about 80,000 people in Florida."
All the current examples of people trying to restrict speech
appear to be retrumplican. For example:
"For corporate America: Disney’s clash with Florida is the latest
example of how companies’ growing willingness to speak out on social and >> political issues puts them in conflict with some lawmakers. Last year,
Georgia politicians threatened to raise taxes on Delta after the airline
spoke out against the state’s restrictive voting laws. More recently,
Texas lawmakers have said they would bar Citigroup from underwriting the
state’s bonds unless the bank revoked its policy to pay for employees to >> travel out of state for abortions, which are severely restricted there."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/21/business/dealbook/disney-florida-taxes.html
TB
This has nothing to do with free speech.
On 4/21/2022 2:34 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/21/2022 12:18 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is fighting >>>> back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
ROFLMAO You're so confused. I thought you were supposed to be a
YUGE free speech advocate. You radical "conservative" fascists are all
in favor of free speech--until someone says something you don't like.
The first amendment isn't there to protect popular speech. It's there to >>> protect unpopular speech. Disney's only sin was saying things the
Florida fascists don't like.
Like Twitter twitter censoring Trump because they don’t agree with what he >> says. I haven’t seen you advocating for Trump’s first amendment rights. If
it’s good for the goose…
It should be interesting watching the Florida politicians unscrew
themselves. For example:
"For Florida: The biggest issue is nearly $1 billion in tax-free bonds
that have been issued by Disney. Florida law says that if a special tax
district is dissolved, the responsibility to pay those bonds reverts to
local governments. Democratic state lawmakers say that the interest on
those bonds equates to an additional tax burden of $580 per person for
the 1.7 million residents of neighboring Orange and Osceola counties,
which would also have to step in and provide many of the public services >>> for the area that are currently funded by the company. Disney employs
about 80,000 people in Florida."
All the current examples of people trying to restrict speech
appear to be retrumplican. For example:
"For corporate America: Disney’s clash with Florida is the latest
example of how companies’ growing willingness to speak out on social and >>> political issues puts them in conflict with some lawmakers. Last year,
Georgia politicians threatened to raise taxes on Delta after the airline >>> spoke out against the state’s restrictive voting laws. More recently,
Texas lawmakers have said they would bar Citigroup from underwriting the >>> state’s bonds unless the bank revoked its policy to pay for employees to >>> travel out of state for abortions, which are severely restricted there." >>>
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/21/business/dealbook/disney-florida-taxes.html
TB
This has nothing to do with free speech.
You haven't seen me advocate for anyone's non-existent right to
organize riots or violent revolution on social media.
You are still dancing around your own very obvious objections to non-violent free speech. Which is it? Are you just another fascist or
you really in favor of free speech?
TB
Technobarbarian <technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/21/2022 12:18 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is fighting >> back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
ROFLMAO You're so confused. I thought you were supposed to be aLike Twitter twitter censoring Trump because they don’t agree with what he says. I haven’t seen you advocating for Trump’s first amendment rights. If
YUGE free speech advocate. You radical "conservative" fascists are all
in favor of free speech--until someone says something you don't like.
The first amendment isn't there to protect popular speech. It's there to protect unpopular speech. Disney's only sin was saying things the
Florida fascists don't like.
it’s good for the goose…
This has nothing to do with free speech.
Our country was founded by geniuses, but it's being run by idiots LIKE TRUMP
Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/21/2022 2:34 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/21/2022 12:18 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is fighting >>>>> back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
ROFLMAO You're so confused. I thought you were supposed to be a
YUGE free speech advocate. You radical "conservative" fascists are all >>>> in favor of free speech--until someone says something you don't like.
The first amendment isn't there to protect popular speech. It's there to >>>> protect unpopular speech. Disney's only sin was saying things the
Florida fascists don't like.
Like Twitter twitter censoring Trump because they don’t agree with what he
says. I haven’t seen you advocating for Trump’s first amendment rights. If
it’s good for the goose…
It should be interesting watching the Florida politicians unscrew
themselves. For example:
"For Florida: The biggest issue is nearly $1 billion in tax-free bonds >>>> that have been issued by Disney. Florida law says that if a special tax >>>> district is dissolved, the responsibility to pay those bonds reverts to >>>> local governments. Democratic state lawmakers say that the interest on >>>> those bonds equates to an additional tax burden of $580 per person for >>>> the 1.7 million residents of neighboring Orange and Osceola counties,
which would also have to step in and provide many of the public services >>>> for the area that are currently funded by the company. Disney employs
about 80,000 people in Florida."
All the current examples of people trying to restrict speech
appear to be retrumplican. For example:
"For corporate America: Disney’s clash with Florida is the latest
example of how companies’ growing willingness to speak out on social and >>>> political issues puts them in conflict with some lawmakers. Last year, >>>> Georgia politicians threatened to raise taxes on Delta after the airline >>>> spoke out against the state’s restrictive voting laws. More recently, >>>> Texas lawmakers have said they would bar Citigroup from underwriting the >>>> state’s bonds unless the bank revoked its policy to pay for employees to >>>> travel out of state for abortions, which are severely restricted there." >>>>
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/21/business/dealbook/disney-florida-taxes.html
TB
This has nothing to do with free speech.
You haven't seen me advocate for anyone's non-existent right to
organize riots or violent revolution on social media.
You are still dancing around your own very obvious objections to
non-violent free speech. Which is it? Are you just another fascist or
you really in favor of free speech?
TB
You poor conflicted fool. I will cut you some slack here. If you can show
me verifiable quotes from Trump where he says “go out and organize riots and revolt violently”, I will agree with you.
On 4/21/2022 4:11 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/21/2022 2:34 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/21/2022 12:18 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is
fighting
back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
ROFLMAO You're so confused. I thought you were supposed to be a
YUGE free speech advocate. You radical "conservative" fascists are all >>>>> in favor of free speech--until someone says something you don't like. >>>>> The first amendment isn't there to protect popular speech. It's
there to
protect unpopular speech. Disney's only sin was saying things the
Florida fascists don't like.
Like Twitter twitter censoring Trump because they don’t agree with
what he
says. I haven’t seen you advocating for Trump’s first amendment
rights. If
it’s good for the goose…
It should be interesting watching the Florida politicians unscrew
themselves. For example:
"For Florida: The biggest issue is nearly $1 billion in tax-free bonds >>>>> that have been issued by Disney. Florida law says that if a special
tax
district is dissolved, the responsibility to pay those bonds
reverts to
local governments. Democratic state lawmakers say that the interest on >>>>> those bonds equates to an additional tax burden of $580 per person for >>>>> the 1.7 million residents of neighboring Orange and Osceola counties, >>>>> which would also have to step in and provide many of the public
services
for the area that are currently funded by the company. Disney employs >>>>> about 80,000 people in Florida."
All the current examples of people trying to restrict speech
appear to be retrumplican. For example:
"For corporate America: Disney’s clash with Florida is the latest
example of how companies’ growing willingness to speak out on
social and
political issues puts them in conflict with some lawmakers. Last year, >>>>> Georgia politicians threatened to raise taxes on Delta after the
airline
spoke out against the state’s restrictive voting laws. More recently, >>>>> Texas lawmakers have said they would bar Citigroup from
underwriting the
state’s bonds unless the bank revoked its policy to pay for
employees to
travel out of state for abortions, which are severely restricted
there."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/21/business/dealbook/disney-florida-taxes.html
TB
This has nothing to do with free speech.
You haven't seen me advocate for anyone's non-existent right to >>> organize riots or violent revolution on social media.
You are still dancing around your own very obvious objections to >>> non-violent free speech. Which is it? Are you just another fascist or
you really in favor of free speech?
TB
You poor conflicted fool. I will cut you some slack here. If you can show
me verifiable quotes from Trump where he says “go out and organize riots >> and revolt violently”, I will agree with you.
Oh, I have a much easier method. The moron's actual rights instead
of your imaginary version:
"Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
I have never advocated for anyone's "right" to post whatever they want on social media. The companies can make whatever rules they want
without violating anyone's "rights".
In your specific red herring that idiot has his own company and
can post whatever he wants. He has plenty of ways to get his message out without it. Which is a good thing because he has nothing to say on his
own site.
What can't you say, and why not?
Do you ever get tired of dancing, jive ass? It's a simple
question. Unless you're a real live <gasp> hypocrite. Are you really in
favor of free speech or only speech that you approve of?
TB
On 2022-04-21 19:44:25 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
On 4/21/2022 12:18 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is fighting
back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
ROFLMAO You're so confused. I thought you were supposed to be a
YUGE free speech advocate. You radical "conservative" fascists are all
in favor of free speech--until someone says something you don't like.
The first amendment isn't there to protect popular speech. It's there
to protect unpopular speech. Disney's only sin was saying things the
Florida fascists don't like.
It should be interesting watching the Florida politicians unscrew
themselves. For example:
"For Florida: The biggest issue is nearly $1 billion in tax-free bonds
that have been issued by Disney. Florida law says that if a special tax
district is dissolved, the responsibility to pay those bonds reverts to
local governments. Democratic state lawmakers say that the interest on
those bonds equates to an additional tax burden of $580 per person for
the 1.7 million residents of neighboring Orange and Osceola counties,
which would also have to step in and provide many of the public
services for the area that are currently funded by the company. Disney
employs about 80,000 people in Florida."
It gets worse, the locals/state not only have to assume the bonds. They
will have to provide all the Reedy Creek services. Fire, EMS, etc.
I'm certain Disney will voluntarily step up to fund this (actually they probably will)
GOP actually admits they don't know all the effects of this, beyond
admitting they haven't looked into the actual effects.
Ralph E Lindberg <em...@domain.com> wrote:
On 2022-04-21 19:44:25 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
On 4/21/2022 12:18 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is fighting >>> back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
ROFLMAO You're so confused. I thought you were supposed to be a
YUGE free speech advocate. You radical "conservative" fascists are all
in favor of free speech--until someone says something you don't like.
The first amendment isn't there to protect popular speech. It's there
to protect unpopular speech. Disney's only sin was saying things the
Florida fascists don't like.
It should be interesting watching the Florida politicians unscrew
themselves. For example:
"For Florida: The biggest issue is nearly $1 billion in tax-free bonds
that have been issued by Disney. Florida law says that if a special tax
district is dissolved, the responsibility to pay those bonds reverts to
local governments. Democratic state lawmakers say that the interest on
those bonds equates to an additional tax burden of $580 per person for
the 1.7 million residents of neighboring Orange and Osceola counties,
which would also have to step in and provide many of the public
services for the area that are currently funded by the company. Disney
employs about 80,000 people in Florida."
It gets worse, the locals/state not only have to assume the bonds. They will have to provide all the Reedy Creek services. Fire, EMS, etc.
I'm certain Disney will voluntarily step up to fund this (actually they probably will)
GOP actually admits they don't know all the effects of this, beyond admitting they haven't looked into the actual effects.
You mean they acted like democrats?
Our country was founded by geniuses, but it's being run by idiots LIKE TRUMP
On 2022-04-21 19:44:25 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
On 4/21/2022 12:18 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is
fighting back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
ROFLMAO You're so confused. I thought you were supposed to be a >> YUGE free speech advocate. You radical "conservative" fascists are all
in favor of free speech--until someone says something you don't like.
The first amendment isn't there to protect popular speech. It's there
to protect unpopular speech. Disney's only sin was saying things the
Florida fascists don't like.
It should be interesting watching the Florida politicians
unscrew themselves. For example:
"For Florida: The biggest issue is nearly $1 billion in tax-free bonds
that have been issued by Disney. Florida law says that if a special
tax district is dissolved, the responsibility to pay those bonds
reverts to local governments. Democratic state lawmakers say that the
interest on those bonds equates to an additional tax burden of $580
per person for the 1.7 million residents of neighboring Orange and
Osceola counties, which would also have to step in and provide many of
the public services for the area that are currently funded by the
company. Disney employs about 80,000 people in Florida."
It gets worse, the locals/state not only have to assume the bonds. They
will have to provide all the Reedy Creek services. Fire, EMS, etc.
I'm certain Disney will voluntarily step up to fund this (actually they probably will)
GOP actually admits they don't know all the effects of this, beyond
admitting they haven't looked into the actual effects.
On 4/21/2022 9:13 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On 4/21/2022 4:11 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/21/2022 2:34 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/21/2022 12:18 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is
fighting
back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
ROFLMAO You're so confused. I thought you were supposed to be a
YUGE free speech advocate. You radical "conservative" fascists are >>>>>> all
in favor of free speech--until someone says something you don't like. >>>>>> The first amendment isn't there to protect popular speech. It's
there to
protect unpopular speech. Disney's only sin was saying things the
Florida fascists don't like.
Like Twitter twitter censoring Trump because they don’t agree with >>>>> what he
says. I haven’t seen you advocating for Trump’s first amendment
rights. If
it’s good for the goose…
It should be interesting watching the Florida politicians unscrew
themselves. For example:
"For Florida: The biggest issue is nearly $1 billion in tax-free
bonds
that have been issued by Disney. Florida law says that if a
special tax
district is dissolved, the responsibility to pay those bonds
reverts to
local governments. Democratic state lawmakers say that the
interest on
those bonds equates to an additional tax burden of $580 per person >>>>>> for
the 1.7 million residents of neighboring Orange and Osceola counties, >>>>>> which would also have to step in and provide many of the public
services
for the area that are currently funded by the company. Disney employs >>>>>> about 80,000 people in Florida."
All the current examples of people trying to restrict speech
appear to be retrumplican. For example:
"For corporate America: Disney’s clash with Florida is the latest >>>>>> example of how companies’ growing willingness to speak out on
social and
political issues puts them in conflict with some lawmakers. Last
year,
Georgia politicians threatened to raise taxes on Delta after the
airline
spoke out against the state’s restrictive voting laws. More recently, >>>>>> Texas lawmakers have said they would bar Citigroup from
underwriting the
state’s bonds unless the bank revoked its policy to pay for
employees to
travel out of state for abortions, which are severely restricted
there."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/21/business/dealbook/disney-florida-taxes.html
TB
This has nothing to do with free speech.
You haven't seen me advocate for anyone's non-existent right to >>>> organize riots or violent revolution on social media.
You are still dancing around your own very obvious objections to
non-violent free speech. Which is it? Are you just another fascist or
you really in favor of free speech?
TB
You poor conflicted fool. I will cut you some slack here. If you can
show
me verifiable quotes from Trump where he says “go out and organize riots >>> and revolt violently”, I will agree with you.
Oh, I have a much easier method. The moron's actual rights
instead of your imaginary version:
"Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
I have never advocated for anyone's "right" to post whatever
they want on social media. The companies can make whatever rules they
want without violating anyone's "rights".
In your specific red herring that idiot has his own company and >> can post whatever he wants. He has plenty of ways to get his message
out without it. Which is a good thing because he has nothing to say on
his own site.
What can't you say, and why not?
Do you ever get tired of dancing, jive ass? It's a simple
question. Unless you're a real live <gasp> hypocrite. Are you really
in favor of free speech or only speech that you approve of?
TB
Do "you" ever get tired of dancing, Senor smoke and mirrors? Hmm, Senor
S&M. Seems to fit you just right. However, you just gave another of your usual non-answers. I don't know why I would expect anything else from a delusional nut job.
On 2022-04-22 18:29:26 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
On 4/22/2022 7:57 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
On 2022-04-21 19:44:25 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
On 4/21/2022 12:18 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is
fighting back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
ROFLMAO You're so confused. I thought you were supposed to be >>>> a YUGE free speech advocate. You radical "conservative" fascists are
all in favor of free speech--until someone says something you don't
like. The first amendment isn't there to protect popular speech.
It's there to protect unpopular speech. Disney's only sin was saying
things the Florida fascists don't like.
It should be interesting watching the Florida politicians
unscrew themselves. For example:
"For Florida: The biggest issue is nearly $1 billion in tax-free
bonds that have been issued by Disney. Florida law says that if a
special tax district is dissolved, the responsibility to pay those
bonds reverts to local governments. Democratic state lawmakers say
that the interest on those bonds equates to an additional tax burden
of $580 per person for the 1.7 million residents of neighboring
Orange and Osceola counties, which would also have to step in and
provide many of the public services for the area that are currently
funded by the company. Disney employs about 80,000 people in Florida."
It gets worse, the locals/state not only have to assume the bonds.
They will have to provide all the Reedy Creek services. Fire, EMS, etc. >>> I'm certain Disney will voluntarily step up to fund this (actually
they probably will)
GOP actually admits they don't know all the effects of this, beyond
admitting they haven't looked into the actual effects.
Yeah, I love it. "We'll figure out how to unscrew ourselves
after we've screwed ourselves." When they made that deal they knew
they needed Disney a lot more than Disney needed them. It sounds like
they were getting the best of the deal. With their strong commitment
to freedom of speech companies will have to think about where they are
before they build there.
TB
EXACTLY, what does this action tell any company that is considering a
new or expanded project in Florida?
That if they piss DeSantis off he will change the rules of their
agreement and undercut their business.
NOT a way a business friendly party is supposed to be acting.
Much like CitiBank and Texas right now
On 4/23/2022 7:57 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
On 2022-04-22 18:29:26 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
On 4/22/2022 7:57 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
On 2022-04-21 19:44:25 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
On 4/21/2022 12:18 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is
fighting back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
ROFLMAO You're so confused. I thought you were supposed to be >>>>> a YUGE free speech advocate. You radical "conservative" fascists
are all in favor of free speech--until someone says something you
don't like. The first amendment isn't there to protect popular
speech. It's there to protect unpopular speech. Disney's only sin
was saying things the Florida fascists don't like.
It should be interesting watching the Florida politicians >>>>> unscrew themselves. For example:
"For Florida: The biggest issue is nearly $1 billion in tax-free
bonds that have been issued by Disney. Florida law says that if a
special tax district is dissolved, the responsibility to pay those
bonds reverts to local governments. Democratic state lawmakers say
that the interest on those bonds equates to an additional tax
burden of $580 per person for the 1.7 million residents of
neighboring Orange and Osceola counties, which would also have to
step in and provide many of the public services for the area that
are currently funded by the company. Disney employs about 80,000
people in Florida."
It gets worse, the locals/state not only have to assume the bonds.
They will have to provide all the Reedy Creek services. Fire, EMS,
etc.
I'm certain Disney will voluntarily step up to fund this (actually
they probably will)
GOP actually admits they don't know all the effects of this, beyond
admitting they haven't looked into the actual effects.
Yeah, I love it. "We'll figure out how to unscrew ourselves
after we've screwed ourselves." When they made that deal they knew
they needed Disney a lot more than Disney needed them. It sounds like
they were getting the best of the deal. With their strong commitment
to freedom of speech companies will have to think about where they
are before they build there.
TB
EXACTLY, what does this action tell any company that is considering
a new or expanded project in Florida?
That if they piss DeSantis off he will change the rules of their
agreement and undercut their business.
NOT a way a business friendly party is supposed to be acting.
Much like CitiBank and Texas right now
This story is just getting better all the time. I think the Florida fascists have done everyone a big favor. Some of the rhetoric
coming out of this is just an amazing self-own. This is a fun article
that goes into some of what does or doesn't happen next.
https://www.salon.com/2022/04/23/undemocratic-and-unfair-ron-desantis-disney-stunt-leaves-florida-holding-the-bag/
A few of my favorite snippets:
""Undemocratic and unfair": Ron DeSantis' Disney stunt leaves Florida
holding the bag
Florida Republicans' rush to dissolve the Reedy Creek Improvement
District might also contravene state law"
""Disney is a guest in Florida," Republican state Rep. Randy Fine, who sponsored the measure legislation, told Insider. "They're a California company that clearly has California values. And they come to this state
as our guest and they ask for special privileges that no other company
in the state of Florida has, including their competitors.""
"Conservative think tank Heritage Action for America has waxed even more philosophical, claiming that "Disney has waged war on the rights of
parents and innocence of children."
"While Disney bullies state legislators and uses their platform to
force-feed their woke agenda to young children, they shouldn't receive
any special privileges or legislative exemptions to do so," said Jessica Anderson, Heritage's executive director. "Thanks to the Florida
Legislature, bills to revoke these special privileges and hold Disney accountable are now heading to Governor DeSantis's desk.""
""Because Reedy Creek is an independent taxing district, the minute that
it ceases to exist is the minute that they no longer collect taxes,"
Orange County Tax Collector Scott Randolph said in an interview with
Salon. "And then what happens under Florida law is all of Reedy Creek's
debts and obligations transfer over to Orange County."
At present, Scott explained, Reedy Creek collects $105 million in
general revenue annually. It also takes in $58 million to service its
own debts, meaning that it collects $163 million total per year. But according to Scott, there's "no way" that Orange County can collect that
same amount in order to pay for the new municipal services it would have
to provide.
"Orange County would really have no other no other option except to
raise property taxes on every citizen in Orange County," he said, noting
that residents might see hikes of 20% to 25%.
To be fair, Orange and Osceola would be able to collect tax revenue from Reedy Creek's properties if the district is voided. But even then,
Florida's ability to tax Disney, ironically enough, is exceptionally
limited, according to investigative journalist Jason Garcia. That's
because state Republicans in 2007 effectively mandated that the taxable
value of Disney's properties could not rise by any more than 10%
annually – a cap that was supposed to expire in 2018 but was instead
made permanent."
"Reedy Creek's dissolution by the state legislature might also
contravene statutory law, which mandates that such a move "must be
approved by a majority of the resident electors of the district." Orange County Commissioner Christine Moore told Mediaite that she was "pretty confident" that this statute would sufficiently protect Reedy Creek in court."
"On Thursday, during the House's special session on Reedy Creek,
Eskamani submitted an amendment to revoke the district's ability to
change its own boundaries, build a power plant, and exercise eminent
domain – without rescinding its special district status.
"We literally verbatim took what the governor and Randy Fine have said
[about Reedy Creek] and we filed an amendment for a scalpel approach to remove those powers," Eskamani said in an interview. "All the
Republicans voted no on it.""
""The other thing is, when you kick the hornets' nest, sometimes issues
arise that you then go and deal with," Fine added, suggesting that
Disney went outside its purview by rebuking H.B. 1775. "So many of the
great memories of our lives have happened at this company, and to watch
them light themselves on fire on the altar of sexualizing children is heartbreaking to me.""
TB
On 4/23/2022 11:12 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On 4/23/2022 7:57 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
On 2022-04-22 18:29:26 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
On 4/22/2022 7:57 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
On 2022-04-21 19:44:25 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
On 4/21/2022 12:18 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is
fighting back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
ROFLMAO You're so confused. I thought you were supposed to be >>>>> a YUGE free speech advocate. You radical "conservative" fascists
are all in favor of free speech--until someone says something you >>>>> don't like. The first amendment isn't there to protect popular
speech. It's there to protect unpopular speech. Disney's only sin >>>>> was saying things the Florida fascists don't like.
It should be interesting watching the Florida politicians
unscrew themselves. For example:
"For Florida: The biggest issue is nearly $1 billion in tax-free
bonds that have been issued by Disney. Florida law says that if a >>>>> special tax district is dissolved, the responsibility to pay those >>>>> bonds reverts to local governments. Democratic state lawmakers say >>>>> that the interest on those bonds equates to an additional tax
burden of $580 per person for the 1.7 million residents of
neighboring Orange and Osceola counties, which would also have to >>>>> step in and provide many of the public services for the area that >>>>> are currently funded by the company. Disney employs about 80,000
people in Florida."
It gets worse, the locals/state not only have to assume the bonds.
They will have to provide all the Reedy Creek services. Fire, EMS, >>>> etc.
I'm certain Disney will voluntarily step up to fund this (actually
they probably will)
GOP actually admits they don't know all the effects of this, beyond >>>> admitting they haven't looked into the actual effects.
Yeah, I love it. "We'll figure out how to unscrew ourselves
after we've screwed ourselves." When they made that deal they knew
they needed Disney a lot more than Disney needed them. It sounds like >>> they were getting the best of the deal. With their strong commitment
to freedom of speech companies will have to think about where they
are before they build there.
TB
EXACTLY, what does this action tell any company that is considering
a new or expanded project in Florida?
That if they piss DeSantis off he will change the rules of their
agreement and undercut their business.
NOT a way a business friendly party is supposed to be acting.
Much like CitiBank and Texas right now
This story is just getting better all the time. I think the
Florida fascists have done everyone a big favor. Some of the rhetoric coming out of this is just an amazing self-own. This is a fun article
that goes into some of what does or doesn't happen next.
https://www.salon.com/2022/04/23/undemocratic-and-unfair-ron-desantis-disney-stunt-leaves-florida-holding-the-bag/
A few of my favorite snippets:
""Undemocratic and unfair": Ron DeSantis' Disney stunt leaves Florida holding the bag
Florida Republicans' rush to dissolve the Reedy Creek Improvement
District might also contravene state law"
""Disney is a guest in Florida," Republican state Rep. Randy Fine, who sponsored the measure legislation, told Insider. "They're a California company that clearly has California values. And they come to this state
as our guest and they ask for special privileges that no other company
in the state of Florida has, including their competitors.""
"Conservative think tank Heritage Action for America has waxed even more philosophical, claiming that "Disney has waged war on the rights of parents and innocence of children."
"While Disney bullies state legislators and uses their platform to force-feed their woke agenda to young children, they shouldn't receive
any special privileges or legislative exemptions to do so," said Jessica Anderson, Heritage's executive director. "Thanks to the Florida Legislature, bills to revoke these special privileges and hold Disney accountable are now heading to Governor DeSantis's desk.""
""Because Reedy Creek is an independent taxing district, the minute that it ceases to exist is the minute that they no longer collect taxes," Orange County Tax Collector Scott Randolph said in an interview with Salon. "And then what happens under Florida law is all of Reedy Creek's debts and obligations transfer over to Orange County."
At present, Scott explained, Reedy Creek collects $105 million in
general revenue annually. It also takes in $58 million to service its
own debts, meaning that it collects $163 million total per year. But according to Scott, there's "no way" that Orange County can collect that same amount in order to pay for the new municipal services it would have to provide.
"Orange County would really have no other no other option except to
raise property taxes on every citizen in Orange County," he said, noting that residents might see hikes of 20% to 25%.
To be fair, Orange and Osceola would be able to collect tax revenue from Reedy Creek's properties if the district is voided. But even then, Florida's ability to tax Disney, ironically enough, is exceptionally limited, according to investigative journalist Jason Garcia. That's because state Republicans in 2007 effectively mandated that the taxable value of Disney's properties could not rise by any more than 10%
annually – a cap that was supposed to expire in 2018 but was instead made permanent."
"Reedy Creek's dissolution by the state legislature might also
contravene statutory law, which mandates that such a move "must be approved by a majority of the resident electors of the district." Orange County Commissioner Christine Moore told Mediaite that she was "pretty confident" that this statute would sufficiently protect Reedy Creek in court."
"On Thursday, during the House's special session on Reedy Creek,
Eskamani submitted an amendment to revoke the district's ability to
change its own boundaries, build a power plant, and exercise eminent domain – without rescinding its special district status.
"We literally verbatim took what the governor and Randy Fine have said [about Reedy Creek] and we filed an amendment for a scalpel approach to remove those powers," Eskamani said in an interview. "All the
Republicans voted no on it.""
""The other thing is, when you kick the hornets' nest, sometimes issues arise that you then go and deal with," Fine added, suggesting that
Disney went outside its purview by rebuking H.B. 1775. "So many of the great memories of our lives have happened at this company, and to watch them light themselves on fire on the altar of sexualizing children is heartbreaking to me.""
TB
I love it when you liberal loons choke on it when you get force fed a
dose of your own medicine.
Our country was founded by geniuses, but it's being run by idiots LIKE TRUMP
On 4/23/2022 11:12 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
On 4/23/2022 7:57 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:I love it when you liberal loons choke on it when you get force fed a
On 2022-04-22 18:29:26 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
On 4/22/2022 7:57 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
On 2022-04-21 19:44:25 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
On 4/21/2022 12:18 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is
fighting back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
ROFLMAO You're so confused. I thought you were supposed to >>>>>> be a YUGE free speech advocate. You radical "conservative"
fascists are all in favor of free speech--until someone says
something you don't like. The first amendment isn't there to
protect popular speech. It's there to protect unpopular speech.
Disney's only sin was saying things the Florida fascists don't like. >>>>>>
It should be interesting watching the Florida politicians >>>>>> unscrew themselves. For example:
"For Florida: The biggest issue is nearly $1 billion in tax-free
bonds that have been issued by Disney. Florida law says that if a
special tax district is dissolved, the responsibility to pay those >>>>>> bonds reverts to local governments. Democratic state lawmakers say >>>>>> that the interest on those bonds equates to an additional tax
burden of $580 per person for the 1.7 million residents of
neighboring Orange and Osceola counties, which would also have to
step in and provide many of the public services for the area that
are currently funded by the company. Disney employs about 80,000
people in Florida."
It gets worse, the locals/state not only have to assume the bonds.
They will have to provide all the Reedy Creek services. Fire, EMS, >>>>> etc.
I'm certain Disney will voluntarily step up to fund this (actually
they probably will)
GOP actually admits they don't know all the effects of this, beyond
admitting they haven't looked into the actual effects.
Yeah, I love it. "We'll figure out how to unscrew ourselves >>>> after we've screwed ourselves." When they made that deal they knew
they needed Disney a lot more than Disney needed them. It sounds
like they were getting the best of the deal. With their strong
commitment to freedom of speech companies will have to think about
where they are before they build there.
TB
EXACTLY, what does this action tell any company that is considering
a new or expanded project in Florida?
That if they piss DeSantis off he will change the rules of their
agreement and undercut their business.
NOT a way a business friendly party is supposed to be acting.
Much like CitiBank and Texas right now
This story is just getting better all the time. I think the >> Florida fascists have done everyone a big favor. Some of the rhetoric
coming out of this is just an amazing self-own. This is a fun article
that goes into some of what does or doesn't happen next.
https://www.salon.com/2022/04/23/undemocratic-and-unfair-ron-desantis-disney-stunt-leaves-florida-holding-the-bag/
A few of my favorite snippets:
""Undemocratic and unfair": Ron DeSantis' Disney stunt leaves Florida
holding the bag
Florida Republicans' rush to dissolve the Reedy Creek Improvement
District might also contravene state law"
""Disney is a guest in Florida," Republican state Rep. Randy Fine, who
sponsored the measure legislation, told Insider. "They're a California
company that clearly has California values. And they come to this
state as our guest and they ask for special privileges that no other
company in the state of Florida has, including their competitors.""
"Conservative think tank Heritage Action for America has waxed even
more philosophical, claiming that "Disney has waged war on the rights
of parents and innocence of children."
"While Disney bullies state legislators and uses their platform to
force-feed their woke agenda to young children, they shouldn't receive
any special privileges or legislative exemptions to do so," said
Jessica Anderson, Heritage's executive director. "Thanks to the
Florida Legislature, bills to revoke these special privileges and hold
Disney accountable are now heading to Governor DeSantis's desk.""
""Because Reedy Creek is an independent taxing district, the minute
that it ceases to exist is the minute that they no longer collect
taxes," Orange County Tax Collector Scott Randolph said in an
interview with Salon. "And then what happens under Florida law is all
of Reedy Creek's debts and obligations transfer over to Orange County."
At present, Scott explained, Reedy Creek collects $105 million in
general revenue annually. It also takes in $58 million to service its
own debts, meaning that it collects $163 million total per year. But
according to Scott, there's "no way" that Orange County can collect
that same amount in order to pay for the new municipal services it
would have to provide.
"Orange County would really have no other no other option except to
raise property taxes on every citizen in Orange County," he said,
noting that residents might see hikes of 20% to 25%.
To be fair, Orange and Osceola would be able to collect tax revenue
from Reedy Creek's properties if the district is voided. But even
then, Florida's ability to tax Disney, ironically enough, is
exceptionally limited, according to investigative journalist Jason
Garcia. That's because state Republicans in 2007 effectively mandated
that the taxable value of Disney's properties could not rise by any
more than 10% annually – a cap that was supposed to expire in 2018 but
was instead made permanent."
"Reedy Creek's dissolution by the state legislature might also
contravene statutory law, which mandates that such a move "must be
approved by a majority of the resident electors of the district."
Orange County Commissioner Christine Moore told Mediaite that she was
"pretty confident" that this statute would sufficiently protect Reedy
Creek in court."
"On Thursday, during the House's special session on Reedy Creek,
Eskamani submitted an amendment to revoke the district's ability to
change its own boundaries, build a power plant, and exercise eminent
domain – without rescinding its special district status.
"We literally verbatim took what the governor and Randy Fine have said
[about Reedy Creek] and we filed an amendment for a scalpel approach
to remove those powers," Eskamani said in an interview. "All the
Republicans voted no on it.""
""The other thing is, when you kick the hornets' nest, sometimes
issues arise that you then go and deal with," Fine added, suggesting
that Disney went outside its purview by rebuking H.B. 1775. "So many
of the great memories of our lives have happened at this company, and
to watch them light themselves on fire on the altar of sexualizing
children is heartbreaking to me.""
TB
dose of your own medicine.
On 2022-04-23 16:12:54 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
On 4/23/2022 7:57 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
On 2022-04-22 18:29:26 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
On 4/22/2022 7:57 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
On 2022-04-21 19:44:25 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
On 4/21/2022 12:18 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
to the woke liberal bullies. Finally, someone besides Trump is
fighting back against the insanity of the left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-house-passes-bill-stripping-disney-of-self-governing-status
ROFLMAO You're so confused. I thought you were supposed to >>>>>> be a YUGE free speech advocate. You radical "conservative"
fascists are all in favor of free speech--until someone says
something you don't like. The first amendment isn't there to
protect popular speech. It's there to protect unpopular speech.
Disney's only sin was saying things the Florida fascists don't like. >>>>>>
It should be interesting watching the Florida politicians >>>>>> unscrew themselves. For example:
"For Florida: The biggest issue is nearly $1 billion in tax-free
bonds that have been issued by Disney. Florida law says that if a
special tax district is dissolved, the responsibility to pay those >>>>>> bonds reverts to local governments. Democratic state lawmakers say >>>>>> that the interest on those bonds equates to an additional tax
burden of $580 per person for the 1.7 million residents of
neighboring Orange and Osceola counties, which would also have to
step in and provide many of the public services for the area that
are currently funded by the company. Disney employs about 80,000
people in Florida."
It gets worse, the locals/state not only have to assume the bonds.
They will have to provide all the Reedy Creek services. Fire, EMS, >>>>> etc.
I'm certain Disney will voluntarily step up to fund this (actually
they probably will)
GOP actually admits they don't know all the effects of this, beyond
admitting they haven't looked into the actual effects.
Yeah, I love it. "We'll figure out how to unscrew ourselves >>>> after we've screwed ourselves." When they made that deal they knew
they needed Disney a lot more than Disney needed them. It sounds
like they were getting the best of the deal. With their strong
commitment to freedom of speech companies will have to think about
where they are before they build there.
TB
EXACTLY, what does this action tell any company that is considering
a new or expanded project in Florida?
That if they piss DeSantis off he will change the rules of their
agreement and undercut their business.
NOT a way a business friendly party is supposed to be acting.
Much like CitiBank and Texas right now
This story is just getting better all the time. I think the >> Florida fascists have done everyone a big favor. Some of the rhetoric
coming out of this is just an amazing self-own. This is a fun article
that goes into some of what does or doesn't happen next.
https://www.salon.com/2022/04/23/undemocratic-and-unfair-ron-desantis-disney-stunt-leaves-florida-holding-the-bag/
A few of my favorite snippets:
""Undemocratic and unfair": Ron DeSantis' Disney stunt leaves Florida
holding the bag
Florida Republicans' rush to dissolve the Reedy Creek Improvement
District might also contravene state law"
""Disney is a guest in Florida," Republican state Rep. Randy Fine, who
sponsored the measure legislation, told Insider. "They're a California
company that clearly has California values. And they come to this
state as our guest and they ask for special privileges that no other
company in the state of Florida has, including their competitors.""
"Conservative think tank Heritage Action for America has waxed even
more philosophical, claiming that "Disney has waged war on the rights
of parents and innocence of children."
"While Disney bullies state legislators and uses their platform to
force-feed their woke agenda to young children, they shouldn't receive
any special privileges or legislative exemptions to do so," said
Jessica Anderson, Heritage's executive director. "Thanks to the
Florida Legislature, bills to revoke these special privileges and hold
Disney accountable are now heading to Governor DeSantis's desk.""
""Because Reedy Creek is an independent taxing district, the minute
that it ceases to exist is the minute that they no longer collect
taxes," Orange County Tax Collector Scott Randolph said in an
interview with Salon. "And then what happens under Florida law is all
of Reedy Creek's debts and obligations transfer over to Orange County."
At present, Scott explained, Reedy Creek collects $105 million in
general revenue annually. It also takes in $58 million to service its
own debts, meaning that it collects $163 million total per year. But
according to Scott, there's "no way" that Orange County can collect
that same amount in order to pay for the new municipal services it
would have to provide.
"Orange County would really have no other no other option except to
raise property taxes on every citizen in Orange County," he said,
noting that residents might see hikes of 20% to 25%.
To be fair, Orange and Osceola would be able to collect tax revenue
from Reedy Creek's properties if the district is voided. But even
then, Florida's ability to tax Disney, ironically enough, is
exceptionally limited, according to investigative journalist Jason
Garcia. That's because state Republicans in 2007 effectively mandated
that the taxable value of Disney's properties could not rise by any
more than 10% annually – a cap that was supposed to expire in 2018 but
was instead made permanent."
"Reedy Creek's dissolution by the state legislature might also
contravene statutory law, which mandates that such a move "must be
approved by a majority of the resident electors of the district."
Orange County Commissioner Christine Moore told Mediaite that she was
"pretty confident" that this statute would sufficiently protect Reedy
Creek in court."
"On Thursday, during the House's special session on Reedy Creek,
Eskamani submitted an amendment to revoke the district's ability to
change its own boundaries, build a power plant, and exercise eminent
domain – without rescinding its special district status.
"We literally verbatim took what the governor and Randy Fine have said
[about Reedy Creek] and we filed an amendment for a scalpel approach
to remove those powers," Eskamani said in an interview. "All the
Republicans voted no on it.""
""The other thing is, when you kick the hornets' nest, sometimes
issues arise that you then go and deal with," Fine added, suggesting
that Disney went outside its purview by rebuking H.B. 1775. "So many
of the great memories of our lives have happened at this company, and
to watch them light themselves on fire on the altar of sexualizing
children is heartbreaking to me.""
TB
Speaking of Randy Fine, have you noticed the -other- thing he is in the
news for?
Florida Rep. Randy Fine threatened Special Olympics funding over school
board member feud.
The Special Olympics folk invited her and not him to be invovled. Then
he tried to get the text that proved what he had done with-held, even threatened the Judge involved.
Can we say entitled?
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