• Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov. Kate Bro

    From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 4 12:29:49 2022
    I expect that she will sign this soon. They're hoping to put a
    dent in our driving while not White problem.

    Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov. Kate Brown

    "Senate Bill 1510 also provides grant money for social services and
    alters restrictions for people on probation or parole.

    Oregon police will soon be unable to pull over motorists solely because
    they have a burnt out headlight, tail light or brake light, in a bill
    advocates say will cut down on frivolous stops of people of color.

    Senate Bill 1510, passed out of the Oregon House on a 34-24 vote after
    lengthy debate Thursday. It now heads to the desk of Gov. Kate Brown
    and, if signed, will take effect immediately.

    A year in the making, SB 1510 is a pared-back version of a bill
    advocates hoped to pass during last year’s session. And while it’s
    gained most attention for its provisions around traffic stops,
    proponents say the legislation will help address broader racial
    inequities in Oregon’s justice system.

    Other provisions require officers to inform motorists they have the
    right to decline a search of their vehicle and to obtain written or
    recorded documentation that a driver consented to a search. It also
    modifies the conditions that can be set for people on parole and
    probation and steers $10 million toward helping groups
    disproportionately impacted by the justice system access housing and
    social services.

    “At its core, each policy included in this bill will make Oregon’s
    criminal justice system more equitable and enhance community safety
    across the state,” said state Rep. Janelle Bynum, D-Clackamas, who is
    Black. “Many of my colleagues in this chamber do not have the lived experience of negative interactions with law enforcement, and thank God
    you don’t.”"
    [snip]

    TB

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  • From George .Anthony@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Fri Mar 4 23:09:05 2022
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I expect that she will sign this soon. They're hoping to put a
    dent in our driving while not White problem.

    Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov. Kate Brown

    "Senate Bill 1510 also provides grant money for social services and
    alters restrictions for people on probation or parole.

    Oregon police will soon be unable to pull over motorists solely because
    they have a burnt out headlight, tail light or brake light, in a bill advocates say will cut down on frivolous stops of people of color.

    I was not aware that white peoples’ cars don’t burn out light bulbs.


    Senate Bill 1510, passed out of the Oregon House on a 34-24 vote after lengthy debate Thursday. It now heads to the desk of Gov. Kate Brown
    and, if signed, will take effect immediately.

    A year in the making, SB 1510 is a pared-back version of a bill
    advocates hoped to pass during last year’s session. And while it’s
    gained most attention for its provisions around traffic stops,
    proponents say the legislation will help address broader racial
    inequities in Oregon’s justice system.


    Race, race, race!

    Other provisions require officers to inform motorists they have the
    right to decline a search of their vehicle and to obtain written or
    recorded documentation that a driver consented to a search. It also
    modifies the conditions that can be set for people on parole and
    probation and steers $10 million toward helping groups
    disproportionately impacted by the justice system access housing and
    social services.

    “At its core, each policy included in this bill will make Oregon’s criminal justice system more equitable and enhance community safety
    across the state,” said state Rep. Janelle Bynum, D-Clackamas, who is Black.

    You have to be shitting me.

    “Many of my colleagues in this chamber do not have the lived
    experience of negative interactions with law enforcement, and thank God
    you don’t.”"
    [snip]

    Don’t break the law and you won’t have to worry about interactions, negative or otherwise, with the police.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY

    TB




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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to George.Anthony on Fri Mar 4 15:31:02 2022
    On 3/4/2022 3:09 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I expect that she will sign this soon. They're hoping to put a
    dent in our driving while not White problem.

    Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov. Kate Brown

    "Senate Bill 1510 also provides grant money for social services and
    alters restrictions for people on probation or parole.

    Oregon police will soon be unable to pull over motorists solely because
    they have a burnt out headlight, tail light or brake light, in a bill
    advocates say will cut down on frivolous stops of people of color.

    I was not aware that white peoples’ cars don’t burn out light bulbs.


    Senate Bill 1510, passed out of the Oregon House on a 34-24 vote after
    lengthy debate Thursday. It now heads to the desk of Gov. Kate Brown
    and, if signed, will take effect immediately.

    A year in the making, SB 1510 is a pared-back version of a bill
    advocates hoped to pass during last year’s session. And while it’s
    gained most attention for its provisions around traffic stops,
    proponents say the legislation will help address broader racial
    inequities in Oregon’s justice system.


    Race, race, race!

    Other provisions require officers to inform motorists they have the
    right to decline a search of their vehicle and to obtain written or
    recorded documentation that a driver consented to a search. It also
    modifies the conditions that can be set for people on parole and
    probation and steers $10 million toward helping groups
    disproportionately impacted by the justice system access housing and
    social services.

    “At its core, each policy included in this bill will make Oregon’s
    criminal justice system more equitable and enhance community safety
    across the state,” said state Rep. Janelle Bynum, D-Clackamas, who is
    Black.

    You have to be shitting me.

    “Many of my colleagues in this chamber do not have the lived
    experience of negative interactions with law enforcement, and thank God
    you don’t.”"
    [snip]

    Don’t break the law and you won’t have to worry about interactions, negative or otherwise, with the police.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY

    TB



    Yeah, I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this. Because
    of persistent reports of problems the government here has been
    collecting data. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this
    either because it's all about actual facts. White folks have burned out
    lights too, but people who aren't White must have more burned out
    lights, because they're getting stopped more often for small shit.

    TB

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to George.Anthony on Fri Mar 4 20:20:25 2022
    George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I expect that she will sign this soon. They're hoping to put a
    dent in our driving while not White problem.

    Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov. Kate Brown

    "Senate Bill 1510 also provides grant money for social services and
    alters restrictions for people on probation or parole.

    Oregon police will soon be unable to pull over motorists solely because
    they have a burnt out headlight, tail light or brake light, in a bill
    advocates say will cut down on frivolous stops of people of color.

    I was not aware that white peoples’ cars don’t burn out light bulbs.

    We have access to entitled bulbs.

    Senate Bill 1510, passed out of the Oregon House on a 34-24 vote after
    lengthy debate Thursday. It now heads to the desk of Gov. Kate Brown
    and, if signed, will take effect immediately.

    A year in the making, SB 1510 is a pared-back version of a bill
    advocates hoped to pass during last year’s session. And while it’s
    gained most attention for its provisions around traffic stops,
    proponents say the legislation will help address broader racial
    inequities in Oregon’s justice system.


    Race, race, race!

    Other provisions require officers to inform motorists they have the
    right to decline a search of their vehicle and to obtain written or
    recorded documentation that a driver consented to a search. It also
    modifies the conditions that can be set for people on parole and
    probation and steers $10 million toward helping groups
    disproportionately impacted by the justice system access housing and
    social services.

    “At its core, each policy included in this bill will make Oregon’s
    criminal justice system more equitable and enhance community safety
    across the state,” said state Rep. Janelle Bynum, D-Clackamas, who is >> Black.

    You have to be shitting me.

    “Many of my colleagues in this chamber do not have the lived
    experience of negative interactions with law enforcement, and thank God
    you don’t.”"
    [snip]

    Don’t break the law and you won’t have to worry about interactions,
    negative or otherwise, with the police.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY

    TB






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  • From kmiller@21:1/5 to bfh on Fri Mar 4 18:20:02 2022
    On 3/4/2022 5:20 PM, bfh wrote:
    George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:

          I expect that she will sign this soon. They're hoping to put a >>> dent in our driving while not White problem.

    Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov. Kate
    Brown

    "Senate Bill 1510 also provides grant money for social services and
    alters restrictions for people on probation or parole.

    Oregon police will soon be unable to pull over motorists solely because
    they have a burnt out headlight, tail light or brake light, in a bill
    advocates say will cut down on frivolous stops of people of color.

    I was not aware that white peoples’ cars don’t burn out light bulbs.

    We have access to entitled bulbs.


    Dim bulbs.

    <snip>

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  • From George .Anthony@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Sat Mar 5 02:20:55 2022
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 3:09 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I expect that she will sign this soon. They're hoping to put a
    dent in our driving while not White problem.

    Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov. Kate Brown >>>
    "Senate Bill 1510 also provides grant money for social services and
    alters restrictions for people on probation or parole.

    Oregon police will soon be unable to pull over motorists solely because
    they have a burnt out headlight, tail light or brake light, in a bill
    advocates say will cut down on frivolous stops of people of color.

    I was not aware that white peoples’ cars don’t burn out light bulbs.


    Senate Bill 1510, passed out of the Oregon House on a 34-24 vote after
    lengthy debate Thursday. It now heads to the desk of Gov. Kate Brown
    and, if signed, will take effect immediately.

    A year in the making, SB 1510 is a pared-back version of a bill
    advocates hoped to pass during last year’s session. And while it’s
    gained most attention for its provisions around traffic stops,
    proponents say the legislation will help address broader racial
    inequities in Oregon’s justice system.


    Race, race, race!

    Other provisions require officers to inform motorists they have the
    right to decline a search of their vehicle and to obtain written or
    recorded documentation that a driver consented to a search. It also
    modifies the conditions that can be set for people on parole and
    probation and steers $10 million toward helping groups
    disproportionately impacted by the justice system access housing and
    social services.

    “At its core, each policy included in this bill will make Oregon’s
    criminal justice system more equitable and enhance community safety
    across the state,” said state Rep. Janelle Bynum, D-Clackamas, who is
    Black.

    You have to be shitting me.

    “Many of my colleagues in this chamber do not have the lived
    experience of negative interactions with law enforcement, and thank God
    you don’t.”"
    [snip]

    Don’t break the law and you won’t have to worry about interactions,
    negative or otherwise, with the police.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY

    TB



    Yeah, I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this. Because
    of persistent reports of problems the government here has been
    collecting data. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this
    either because it's all about actual facts. White folks have burned out lights too, but people who aren't White must have more burned out
    lights, because they're getting stopped more often for small shit.

    TB






    I know as much about crime there as I know about crime everywhere else.
    Sadly, the reason there are racial inequities in enforcement is because
    there are racial inequities in the crimes committed. Things will never get better if we blacks and minorities don’t stop claiming racism is the cause
    of all our problems. I and thousands of other minorities have done quite
    well for ourselves. Have we experienced racism… of course. But to those of
    us who are successful, it was only a bump in the road, not an immoveable
    stone wall.

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to kmiller on Fri Mar 4 21:51:13 2022
    kmiller wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 5:20 PM, bfh wrote:
    George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:

          I expect that she will sign this soon. They're hoping
    to put a
    dent in our driving while not White problem.

    Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov.
    Kate Brown

    "Senate Bill 1510 also provides grant money for social services and
    alters restrictions for people on probation or parole.

    Oregon police will soon be unable to pull over motorists solely
    because
    they have a burnt out headlight, tail light or brake light, in a bill
    advocates say will cut down on frivolous stops of people of color.

    I was not aware that white peoples’ cars don’t burn
    out light bulbs.

    We have access to entitled bulbs.


    Dim bulbs.

    I have bright bulbs. When you drive 8 over at night, you need to see
    very very far.


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    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to George.Anthony on Fri Mar 4 20:39:15 2022
    On 3/4/2022 6:20 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 3:09 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I expect that she will sign this soon. They're hoping to put a
    dent in our driving while not White problem.

    Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov. Kate Brown >>>>
    "Senate Bill 1510 also provides grant money for social services and
    alters restrictions for people on probation or parole.

    Oregon police will soon be unable to pull over motorists solely because >>>> they have a burnt out headlight, tail light or brake light, in a bill
    advocates say will cut down on frivolous stops of people of color.

    I was not aware that white peoples’ cars don’t burn out light bulbs. >>>

    Senate Bill 1510, passed out of the Oregon House on a 34-24 vote after >>>> lengthy debate Thursday. It now heads to the desk of Gov. Kate Brown
    and, if signed, will take effect immediately.

    A year in the making, SB 1510 is a pared-back version of a bill
    advocates hoped to pass during last year’s session. And while it’s >>>> gained most attention for its provisions around traffic stops,
    proponents say the legislation will help address broader racial
    inequities in Oregon’s justice system.


    Race, race, race!

    Other provisions require officers to inform motorists they have the
    right to decline a search of their vehicle and to obtain written or
    recorded documentation that a driver consented to a search. It also
    modifies the conditions that can be set for people on parole and
    probation and steers $10 million toward helping groups
    disproportionately impacted by the justice system access housing and
    social services.

    “At its core, each policy included in this bill will make Oregon’s >>>> criminal justice system more equitable and enhance community safety
    across the state,” said state Rep. Janelle Bynum, D-Clackamas, who is >>>> Black.

    You have to be shitting me.

    “Many of my colleagues in this chamber do not have the lived
    experience of negative interactions with law enforcement, and thank God >>>> you don’t.”"
    [snip]

    Don’t break the law and you won’t have to worry about interactions,
    negative or otherwise, with the police.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY

    TB



    Yeah, I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this. Because
    of persistent reports of problems the government here has been
    collecting data. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this
    either because it's all about actual facts. White folks have burned out
    lights too, but people who aren't White must have more burned out
    lights, because they're getting stopped more often for small shit.

    TB






    I know as much about crime there as I know about crime everywhere else. Sadly, the reason there are racial inequities in enforcement is because
    there are racial inequities in the crimes committed. Things will never get better if we blacks and minorities don’t stop claiming racism is the cause of all our problems. I and thousands of other minorities have done quite
    well for ourselves. Have we experienced racism… of course. But to those of us who are successful, it was only a bump in the road, not an immoveable stone wall.


    LOL The subject is traffic tickets. I have no idea where you
    wandered off to.

    TB

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  • From MR@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 07:38:22 2022
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  • From George .Anthony@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Sat Mar 5 13:51:35 2022
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/5/2022 4:38 AM, MR wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 9:20 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 3:09 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I expect that she will sign this soon. They're hoping to put a
    dent in our driving while not White problem.

    Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov. Kate >>>>>> Brown

    "Senate Bill 1510 also provides grant money for social services and >>>>>> alters restrictions for people on probation or parole.

    Oregon police will soon be unable to pull over motorists solely
    because
    they have a burnt out headlight, tail light or brake light, in a bill >>>>>> advocates say will cut down on frivolous stops of people of color.

    I was not aware that white peoples’ cars don’t burn out light bulbs. >>>>>

    Senate Bill 1510, passed out of the Oregon House on a 34-24 vote after >>>>>> lengthy debate Thursday. It now heads to the desk of Gov. Kate Brown >>>>>> and, if signed, will take effect immediately.

    A year in the making, SB 1510 is a pared-back version of a bill
    advocates hoped to pass during last year’s session. And while it’s >>>>>> gained most attention for its provisions around traffic stops,
    proponents say the legislation will help address broader racial
    inequities in Oregon’s justice system.


    Race, race, race!

    Other provisions require officers to inform motorists they have the >>>>>> right to decline a search of their vehicle and to obtain written or >>>>>> recorded documentation that a driver consented to a search. It also >>>>>> modifies the conditions that can be set for people on parole and
    probation and steers $10 million toward helping groups
    disproportionately impacted by the justice system access housing and >>>>>> social services.

    “At its core, each policy included in this bill will make Oregon’s >>>>>> criminal justice system more equitable and enhance community safety >>>>>> across the state,” said state Rep. Janelle Bynum, D-Clackamas, who is >>>>>> Black.

    You have to be shitting me.

    “Many of my colleagues in this chamber do not have the lived
    experience of negative interactions with law enforcement, and thank >>>>>> God
    you don’t.”"
    [snip]

    Don’t break the law and you won’t have to worry about interactions, >>>>> negative or otherwise, with the police.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY

    TB



           Yeah, I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this. Because
    of persistent reports of problems the government here has been
    collecting data. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this
    either because it's all about actual facts. White folks have burned out >>>> lights too, but people who aren't White must have more burned out
    lights, because they're getting stopped more often for small shit.

    TB






    I know as much about crime there as I know about crime everywhere else.
    Sadly, the reason there are racial inequities in enforcement is because
    there are racial inequities in the crimes committed. Things will never
    get
    better if we blacks and minorities don’t stop claiming racism is the
    cause
    of all our problems. I and thousands of other minorities have done quite >>> well for ourselves. Have we experienced racism… of course. But to
    those of
    us who are successful, it was only a bump in the road, not an immoveable >>> stone wall.

    Well said George.  You nailed it.
    MR

    LOL, except for one tiny detail. He's arguing about things that no
    one said. Unless they're killed in the process I don't think anyone is
    going to have much trouble overcoming a nuisance traffic stop.

    TB

    Tb


    Well if no one will have trouble overcoming a nuisance stop, why waste so
    much in money and resources to stop them?

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 05:34:52 2022
    On 3/5/2022 4:38 AM, MR wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 9:20 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 3:09 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I expect that she will sign this soon. They're hoping to put a
    dent in our driving while not White problem.

    Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov. Kate
    Brown

    "Senate Bill 1510 also provides grant money for social services and
    alters restrictions for people on probation or parole.

    Oregon police will soon be unable to pull over motorists solely
    because
    they have a burnt out headlight, tail light or brake light, in a bill >>>>> advocates say will cut down on frivolous stops of people of color.

    I was not aware that white peoples’ cars don’t burn out light bulbs. >>>>

    Senate Bill 1510, passed out of the Oregon House on a 34-24 vote after >>>>> lengthy debate Thursday. It now heads to the desk of Gov. Kate Brown >>>>> and, if signed, will take effect immediately.

    A year in the making, SB 1510 is a pared-back version of a bill
    advocates hoped to pass during last year’s session. And while it’s >>>>> gained most attention for its provisions around traffic stops,
    proponents say the legislation will help address broader racial
    inequities in Oregon’s justice system.


    Race, race, race!

    Other provisions require officers to inform motorists they have the
    right to decline a search of their vehicle and to obtain written or
    recorded documentation that a driver consented to a search. It also
    modifies the conditions that can be set for people on parole and
    probation and steers $10 million toward helping groups
    disproportionately impacted by the justice system access housing and >>>>> social services.

    “At its core, each policy included in this bill will make Oregon’s >>>>> criminal justice system more equitable and enhance community safety
    across the state,” said state Rep. Janelle Bynum, D-Clackamas, who is >>>>> Black.

    You have to be shitting me.

    “Many of my colleagues in this chamber do not have the lived
    experience of negative interactions with law enforcement, and thank
    God
    you don’t.”"
    [snip]

    Don’t break the law and you won’t have to worry about interactions, >>>> negative or otherwise, with the police.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY

    TB



           Yeah, I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this. Because
    of persistent reports of problems the government here has been
    collecting data. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this
    either because it's all about actual facts. White folks have burned out
    lights too, but people who aren't White must have more burned out
    lights, because they're getting stopped more often for small shit.

    TB






    I know as much about crime there as I know about crime everywhere else.
    Sadly, the reason there are racial inequities in enforcement is because
    there are racial inequities in the crimes committed. Things will never
    get
    better if we blacks and minorities don’t stop claiming racism is the
    cause
    of all our problems. I and thousands of other minorities have done quite
    well for ourselves. Have we experienced racism… of course. But to
    those of
    us who are successful, it was only a bump in the road, not an immoveable
    stone wall.

    Well said George.  You nailed it.
    MR

    LOL, except for one tiny detail. He's arguing about things that no
    one said. Unless they're killed in the process I don't think anyone is
    going to have much trouble overcoming a nuisance traffic stop.

    TB

    Tb

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  • From Dusty@21:1/5 to George.Anthony on Sat Mar 5 07:23:16 2022
    On 04-Mar-22 18:20, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 3:09 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    ...<<snippage>>...


    I know as much about crime there as I know about crime everywhere else. Sadly, the reason there are racial inequities in enforcement is because
    there are racial inequities in the crimes committed. Things will never get better if we blacks and minorities don’t stop claiming racism is the cause of all our problems. I and thousands of other minorities have done quite
    well for ourselves. Have we experienced racism… of course. But to those of us who are successful, it was only a bump in the road, not an immoveable stone wall.Well and truly said, George!

    Take care and be well all,
    Dusty
    --
    "Holding a grudge doesn't make you strong; it makes you bitter.
    Forgiving doesn't make you weak; it sets you free."~~Dave Willis "The
    Seven Laws of Love"

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to George.Anthony on Sat Mar 5 07:58:57 2022
    On 3/5/2022 5:51 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/5/2022 4:38 AM, MR wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 9:20 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 3:09 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I expect that she will sign this soon. They're hoping to put a
    dent in our driving while not White problem.

    Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov. Kate >>>>>>> Brown

    "Senate Bill 1510 also provides grant money for social services and >>>>>>> alters restrictions for people on probation or parole.

    Oregon police will soon be unable to pull over motorists solely
    because
    they have a burnt out headlight, tail light or brake light, in a bill >>>>>>> advocates say will cut down on frivolous stops of people of color. >>>>>>
    I was not aware that white peoples’ cars don’t burn out light bulbs. >>>>>>

    Senate Bill 1510, passed out of the Oregon House on a 34-24 vote after >>>>>>> lengthy debate Thursday. It now heads to the desk of Gov. Kate Brown >>>>>>> and, if signed, will take effect immediately.

    A year in the making, SB 1510 is a pared-back version of a bill
    advocates hoped to pass during last year’s session. And while it’s >>>>>>> gained most attention for its provisions around traffic stops,
    proponents say the legislation will help address broader racial
    inequities in Oregon’s justice system.


    Race, race, race!

    Other provisions require officers to inform motorists they have the >>>>>>> right to decline a search of their vehicle and to obtain written or >>>>>>> recorded documentation that a driver consented to a search. It also >>>>>>> modifies the conditions that can be set for people on parole and >>>>>>> probation and steers $10 million toward helping groups
    disproportionately impacted by the justice system access housing and >>>>>>> social services.

    “At its core, each policy included in this bill will make Oregon’s >>>>>>> criminal justice system more equitable and enhance community safety >>>>>>> across the state,” said state Rep. Janelle Bynum, D-Clackamas, who is >>>>>>> Black.

    You have to be shitting me.

    “Many of my colleagues in this chamber do not have the lived
    experience of negative interactions with law enforcement, and thank >>>>>>> God
    you don’t.”"
    [snip]

    Don’t break the law and you won’t have to worry about interactions, >>>>>> negative or otherwise, with the police.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY

    TB



           Yeah, I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this. Because
    of persistent reports of problems the government here has been
    collecting data. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this
    either because it's all about actual facts. White folks have burned out >>>>> lights too, but people who aren't White must have more burned out
    lights, because they're getting stopped more often for small shit.

    TB






    I know as much about crime there as I know about crime everywhere else. >>>> Sadly, the reason there are racial inequities in enforcement is because >>>> there are racial inequities in the crimes committed. Things will never >>>> get
    better if we blacks and minorities don’t stop claiming racism is the >>>> cause
    of all our problems. I and thousands of other minorities have done quite >>>> well for ourselves. Have we experienced racism… of course. But to
    those of
    us who are successful, it was only a bump in the road, not an immoveable >>>> stone wall.

    Well said George.  You nailed it.
    MR

    LOL, except for one tiny detail. He's arguing about things that no
    one said. Unless they're killed in the process I don't think anyone is
    going to have much trouble overcoming a nuisance traffic stop.

    TB

    Tb


    Well if no one will have trouble overcoming a nuisance stop, why waste so much in money and resources to stop them?


    I wasn't aware that it cost us anything to stop making these
    nuisance stops. They have spent money and are spending money to study
    the problem. I think there are many reasons to spend money on this. For example, tourism is a big deal here. We're very open for business and
    want everyone to know it. BUT, historically, a lot of time and effort
    has gone into excluding people who were not White. Until sometime in the
    60s you could see signs here and there on Highway 101 near the city
    limits of a number of places that stated: "This is a sundown town". 101
    is our major tourist corridor on the coast. Newport didn't have any of
    those signs, but it was a sundown town. You weren't likely to be
    lynched, but you also weren't likely to find a vacant room.

    So now, when the tourists who are not White complain about
    excessive nuisance stops, "Hey, it's no big deal" is probably not our
    best answer.

    TB

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to George.Anthony on Sat Mar 5 08:02:45 2022
    On 3/5/2022 5:51 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 6:20 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 3:09 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:

    I expect that she will sign this soon. They're hoping to put a
    dent in our driving while not White problem.

    Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov. Kate Brown

    "Senate Bill 1510 also provides grant money for social services and >>>>>> alters restrictions for people on probation or parole.

    Oregon police will soon be unable to pull over motorists solely because >>>>>> they have a burnt out headlight, tail light or brake light, in a bill >>>>>> advocates say will cut down on frivolous stops of people of color.

    I was not aware that white peoples’ cars don’t burn out light bulbs. >>>>>

    Senate Bill 1510, passed out of the Oregon House on a 34-24 vote after >>>>>> lengthy debate Thursday. It now heads to the desk of Gov. Kate Brown >>>>>> and, if signed, will take effect immediately.

    A year in the making, SB 1510 is a pared-back version of a bill
    advocates hoped to pass during last year’s session. And while it’s >>>>>> gained most attention for its provisions around traffic stops,
    proponents say the legislation will help address broader racial
    inequities in Oregon’s justice system.


    Race, race, race!

    Other provisions require officers to inform motorists they have the >>>>>> right to decline a search of their vehicle and to obtain written or >>>>>> recorded documentation that a driver consented to a search. It also >>>>>> modifies the conditions that can be set for people on parole and
    probation and steers $10 million toward helping groups
    disproportionately impacted by the justice system access housing and >>>>>> social services.

    “At its core, each policy included in this bill will make Oregon’s >>>>>> criminal justice system more equitable and enhance community safety >>>>>> across the state,” said state Rep. Janelle Bynum, D-Clackamas, who is >>>>>> Black.

    You have to be shitting me.

    “Many of my colleagues in this chamber do not have the lived
    experience of negative interactions with law enforcement, and thank God >>>>>> you don’t.”"
    [snip]

    Don’t break the law and you won’t have to worry about interactions, >>>>> negative or otherwise, with the police.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY

    TB



    Yeah, I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this. Because
    of persistent reports of problems the government here has been
    collecting data. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this
    either because it's all about actual facts. White folks have burned out >>>> lights too, but people who aren't White must have more burned out
    lights, because they're getting stopped more often for small shit.

    TB






    I know as much about crime there as I know about crime everywhere else.
    Sadly, the reason there are racial inequities in enforcement is because
    there are racial inequities in the crimes committed. Things will never get >>> better if we blacks and minorities don’t stop claiming racism is the cause
    of all our problems. I and thousands of other minorities have done quite >>> well for ourselves. Have we experienced racism… of course. But to those of
    us who are successful, it was only a bump in the road, not an immoveable >>> stone wall.


    LOL The subject is traffic tickets. I have no idea where you
    wandered off to.

    TB


    I didn’t wander off. “… proponents say the legislation will help address
    broader RACIAL INEQUITIES in Oregon’s justice system.” You should learn to
    read your own posts.


    Politicians say a lot of things. Believe it. Don't believe it, I
    really don't care. This isn't going to make any difference in whether or
    not you get stopped.

    TB

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  • From George Anthony@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Sat Mar 5 08:20:35 2022
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 7:59:05 AM UTC-8, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On 3/5/2022 5:51 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/5/2022 4:38 AM, MR wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 9:20 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 3:09 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I expect that she will sign this soon. They're hoping to put a >>>>>>> dent in our driving while not White problem.

    Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov. Kate >>>>>>> Brown

    "Senate Bill 1510 also provides grant money for social services and >>>>>>> alters restrictions for people on probation or parole.

    Oregon police will soon be unable to pull over motorists solely >>>>>>> because
    they have a burnt out headlight, tail light or brake light, in a bill
    advocates say will cut down on frivolous stops of people of color. >>>>>>
    I was not aware that white peoples’ cars don’t burn out light bulbs.


    Senate Bill 1510, passed out of the Oregon House on a 34-24 vote after
    lengthy debate Thursday. It now heads to the desk of Gov. Kate Brown >>>>>>> and, if signed, will take effect immediately.

    A year in the making, SB 1510 is a pared-back version of a bill >>>>>>> advocates hoped to pass during last year’s session. And while it’s
    gained most attention for its provisions around traffic stops, >>>>>>> proponents say the legislation will help address broader racial >>>>>>> inequities in Oregon’s justice system.


    Race, race, race!

    Other provisions require officers to inform motorists they have the >>>>>>> right to decline a search of their vehicle and to obtain written or >>>>>>> recorded documentation that a driver consented to a search. It also >>>>>>> modifies the conditions that can be set for people on parole and >>>>>>> probation and steers $10 million toward helping groups
    disproportionately impacted by the justice system access housing and >>>>>>> social services.

    “At its core, each policy included in this bill will make Oregon’s
    criminal justice system more equitable and enhance community safety >>>>>>> across the state,” said state Rep. Janelle Bynum, D-Clackamas, who is
    Black.

    You have to be shitting me.

    “Many of my colleagues in this chamber do not have the lived >>>>>>> experience of negative interactions with law enforcement, and thank >>>>>>> God
    you don’t.”"
    [snip]

    Don’t break the law and you won’t have to worry about interactions,
    negative or otherwise, with the police.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY

    TB



    Yeah, I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this. Because
    of persistent reports of problems the government here has been
    collecting data. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about this >>>>> either because it's all about actual facts. White folks have burned out
    lights too, but people who aren't White must have more burned out >>>>> lights, because they're getting stopped more often for small shit. >>>>>
    TB






    I know as much about crime there as I know about crime everywhere else. >>>> Sadly, the reason there are racial inequities in enforcement is because >>>> there are racial inequities in the crimes committed. Things will never >>>> get
    better if we blacks and minorities don’t stop claiming racism is the >>>> cause
    of all our problems. I and thousands of other minorities have done quite
    well for ourselves. Have we experienced racism… of course. But to >>>> those of
    us who are successful, it was only a bump in the road, not an immoveable
    stone wall.

    Well said George. You nailed it.
    MR

    LOL, except for one tiny detail. He's arguing about things that no
    one said. Unless they're killed in the process I don't think anyone is
    going to have much trouble overcoming a nuisance traffic stop.

    TB

    Tb


    Well if no one will have trouble overcoming a nuisance stop, why waste so much in money and resources to stop them?

    I wasn't aware that it cost us anything to stop making these
    nuisance stops. They have spent money and are spending money to study
    the problem. I think there are many reasons to spend money on this. For example, tourism is a big deal here. We're very open for business and
    want everyone to know it. BUT, historically, a lot of time and effort
    has gone into excluding people who were not White. Until sometime in the
    60s you could see signs here and there on Highway 101 near the city
    limits of a number of places that stated: "This is a sundown town". 101
    is our major tourist corridor on the coast. Newport didn't have any of
    those signs, but it was a sundown town. You weren't likely to be
    lynched, but you also weren't likely to find a vacant room.

    So now, when the tourists who are not White complain about
    excessive nuisance stops, "Hey, it's no big deal" is probably not our
    best answer.

    TB

    Fido is bitchy, he is like that whenever he gets in heat

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 11:58:28 2022
    MR wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 9:51 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 5:20 PM, bfh wrote:
    George.Anthony wrote:
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:

          I expect that she will sign this soon.
    They're hoping to put a
    dent in our driving while not White problem.

    Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov.
    Kate Brown

    "Senate Bill 1510 also provides grant money for social services and >>>>>> alters restrictions for people on probation or parole.

    Oregon police will soon be unable to pull over motorists solely
    because
    they have a burnt out headlight, tail light or brake light, in a
    bill
    advocates say will cut down on frivolous stops of people of color.

    I was not aware that white peoples’ cars
    don’t burn out light bulbs.

    We have access to entitled bulbs.


    Dim bulbs.

    I have bright bulbs. When you drive 8 over at night, you need to see
    very very far.


    Or either get behind someone driving 8 over.<bg>
    MR

    Driving behind somebody requires too much attention. Interferes with
    my catnaps.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Tue Mar 8 13:59:50 2022
    On 3/4/2022 12:29 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

         I expect that she will sign this soon. They're hoping to put a
    dent in our driving while not White problem.

    Bill that would limit minor traffic stops heads to Oregon Gov. Kate Brown

    "Senate Bill 1510 also provides grant money for social services and
    alters restrictions for people on probation or parole.

    Oregon police will soon be unable to pull over motorists solely because
    they have a burnt out headlight, tail light or brake light, in a bill advocates say will cut down on frivolous stops of people of color.

    Senate Bill 1510, passed out of the Oregon House on a 34-24 vote after lengthy debate Thursday. It now heads to the desk of Gov. Kate Brown
    and, if signed, will take effect immediately.

    A year in the making, SB 1510 is a pared-back version of a bill
    advocates hoped to pass during last year’s session. And while it’s
    gained most attention for its provisions around traffic stops,
    proponents say the legislation will help address broader racial
    inequities in Oregon’s justice system.

    Other provisions require officers to inform motorists they have the
    right to decline a search of their vehicle and to obtain written or
    recorded documentation that a driver consented to a search. It also
    modifies the conditions that can be set for people on parole and
    probation and steers $10 million toward helping groups
    disproportionately impacted by the justice system access housing and
    social services.

    “At its core, each policy included in this bill will make Oregon’s criminal justice system more equitable and enhance community safety
    across the state,” said state Rep. Janelle Bynum, D-Clackamas, who is Black. “Many of my colleagues in this chamber do not have the lived experience of negative interactions with law enforcement, and thank God
    you don’t.”"
    [snip]

    TB

    "OSP trooper accused of racial discrimination in Rogue Valley in
    class-action lawsuit"

    "A recent class-action lawsuit was filed against the Oregon State Police
    and Trooper Travis Peterson accusing them of racial discrimination and
    other forms of misconduct.

    The lawsuit, filed on behalf of eight people, claims that Peterson
    pulled them over in the Rogue Valley along I-5 for minor traffic
    violations in order to search their vehicles for drugs or money. In one instance, a plaintiff alleges he was pulled over because his passenger
    side seat was reclined too far back.

    Attorney Justin Rosas says that they are not just suing to hold Peterson accountable, but also “to try and confront the scheme of policing that
    allows someone to racially profile people on the interstate and for the institution and the system to continue to go on where it sanctions what
    is unconstitutional, discriminatory behavior.”

    This is not the first time Peterson’s behavior has been called into
    question. In September, Rosas’ office received a memo from the Jackson
    County District Attorney’s office about the trooper.

    “It showed that he had hidden, or not reported, roughly one third of his traffic stops throughout the nine months that they looked,” says Rosas. “And then also that he had underreported or hidden times when he had
    deployed his canine on vehicles.”

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    Peterson was also found to have improperly disposed of drugs, according
    to the DA’s memo. It describes two instances in 2020 and 2021 when
    Peterson confiscated one MDMA pill, 0.5 grams of methamphetamine and one
    ounce of marijuana, but which were not entered into evidence. According
    to records, Peterson believes they were accidentally thrown out."
    [snip]

    TB

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