• trailer questions

    From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 27 17:29:30 2024
    Hi all,

    As mentioned in my trip report, there were a few anomalies about
    our trailer that I hoped to get some input on.

    1) The trailer has a Truma Combi Eco Plus furnace/water heater.
    It threw off error messages a couple of times. First was said
    to be from blocked intake our outflow (found no blockage) and
    second suggested there was a fault with the combustion air
    motor. On top of that, I noticed a hot/burning
    wire/electronics smell at one point. After a lot of googling,
    I worked off the motor cover and gave it a spin with my
    fingers. After replacing the cover, the unit seemed to work
    fine.

    I'm a little leery about this one, not wanting to get stuck
    without heat when we're out some freezing night. My plan is to
    call the dealer and discuss it with them. I'm not sure it's
    worth dragging the trailer to them (almost 2 hours each way),
    unless they feel strongly they should look at it. At the
    least, I'll get it on the record with them.

    2) I'm suspicious of the battery (Interstate SRM-24). It was dead
    after just 5-6 weeks in storage (fully disconnected). After
    conditioning and charging, it seemed fine--but after just a day
    on electric heating it was dead again. The refrigerator was on
    propane so there shouldn't have been a lot else drawing from
    the battery. Am I expecting too much?

    My impression from online searching is that this not a great
    battery option. Should I be looking for something different?

    Thanks for any inputs!

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From George Anthony@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Wed Mar 27 12:33:53 2024
    On 3/27/2024 12:29 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Hi all,

    As mentioned in my trip report, there were a few anomalies about
    our trailer that I hoped to get some input on.

    1) The trailer has a Truma Combi Eco Plus furnace/water heater.
    It threw off error messages a couple of times. First was said
    to be from blocked intake our outflow (found no blockage) and
    second suggested there was a fault with the combustion air
    motor. On top of that, I noticed a hot/burning
    wire/electronics smell at one point. After a lot of googling,
    I worked off the motor cover and gave it a spin with my
    fingers. After replacing the cover, the unit seemed to work
    fine.

    I'm a little leery about this one, not wanting to get stuck
    without heat when we're out some freezing night. My plan is to
    call the dealer and discuss it with them. I'm not sure it's
    worth dragging the trailer to them (almost 2 hours each way),
    unless they feel strongly they should look at it. At the
    least, I'll get it on the record with them.

    2) I'm suspicious of the battery (Interstate SRM-24). It was dead
    after just 5-6 weeks in storage (fully disconnected). After
    conditioning and charging, it seemed fine--but after just a day
    on electric heating it was dead again. The refrigerator was on
    propane so there shouldn't have been a lot else drawing from
    the battery. Am I expecting too much?

    I don't know if it is but this application really calls for a deep cycle battery.


    My impression from online searching is that this not a great
    battery option. Should I be looking for something different?

    Thanks for any inputs!


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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Thu Mar 28 13:29:24 2024
    On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:28:12 -0700,
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
    In article <slrnv08lrq.5uf.theise@panix2.panix.com>, theise@panix.com
    says...

    Hi all,

    As mentioned in my trip report, there were a few anomalies about
    our trailer that I hoped to get some input on.

    1) The trailer has a Truma Combi Eco Plus furnace/water
    heater. It threw off error messages a couple of times.
    First was said to be from blocked intake our outflow (found
    no blockage) and second suggested there was a fault with
    the combustion air motor. On top of that, I noticed a
    hot/burning wire/electronics smell at one point. After a
    lot of googling, I worked off the motor cover and gave it a
    spin with my fingers. After replacing the cover, the unit
    seemed to work fine.

    I'm a little leery about this one, not wanting to get stuck
    without heat when we're out some freezing night. My plan
    is to call the dealer and discuss it with them. I'm not
    sure it's worth dragging the trailer to them (almost 2
    hours each way), unless they feel strongly they should look
    at it. At the least, I'll get it on the record with them.

    2) I'm suspicious of the battery (Interstate SRM-24). It was
    dead after just 5-6 weeks in storage (fully disconnected).
    After conditioning and charging, it seemed fine--but after
    just a day on electric heating it was dead again. The
    refrigerator was on propane so there shouldn't have been a
    lot else drawing from the battery. Am I expecting too
    much?

    My impression from online searching is that this not a
    great battery option. Should I be looking for something
    different?

    Thanks for any inputs!

    That battery is rated at 81 amp hours. For best battery
    life you shouldn't draw it down more than 50%. A typical RV
    furnance will use around 7 amps per hour.

    Personally I would want someone to look for that burned
    wire.

    Very helpful, thanks. Regarding the smell, I'm not convinced it
    was a burned wire (or component). Something hot, but maybe not
    burned. Given the past history with the dealer (many, many months
    to get a slide out repair), I'm not sure I want to take it to
    them. It's still under warranty though, so it seems they would
    be the best option.

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Thu Mar 28 15:54:33 2024
    Ted Heise wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:28:12 -0700,
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
    In article <slrnv08lrq.5uf.theise@panix2.panix.com>, theise@panix.com
    says...

    Hi all,

    As mentioned in my trip report, there were a few anomalies about
    our trailer that I hoped to get some input on.

    1) The trailer has a Truma Combi Eco Plus furnace/water
    heater. It threw off error messages a couple of times.
    First was said to be from blocked intake our outflow (found
    no blockage) and second suggested there was a fault with
    the combustion air motor. On top of that, I noticed a
    hot/burning wire/electronics smell at one point. After a
    lot of googling, I worked off the motor cover and gave it a
    spin with my fingers. After replacing the cover, the unit
    seemed to work fine.

    I'm a little leery about this one, not wanting to get stuck
    without heat when we're out some freezing night. My plan
    is to call the dealer and discuss it with them. I'm not
    sure it's worth dragging the trailer to them (almost 2
    hours each way), unless they feel strongly they should look
    at it. At the least, I'll get it on the record with them.

    2) I'm suspicious of the battery (Interstate SRM-24). It was
    dead after just 5-6 weeks in storage (fully disconnected).
    After conditioning and charging, it seemed fine--but after
    just a day on electric heating it was dead again. The
    refrigerator was on propane so there shouldn't have been a
    lot else drawing from the battery. Am I expecting too
    much?

    My impression from online searching is that this not a
    great battery option. Should I be looking for something
    different?

    Thanks for any inputs!

    That battery is rated at 81 amp hours. For best battery
    life you shouldn't draw it down more than 50%. A typical RV
    furnance will use around 7 amps per hour.

    Personally I would want someone to look for that burned
    wire.

    Very helpful, thanks. Regarding the smell, I'm not convinced it
    was a burned wire (or component). Something hot, but maybe not
    burned. Given the past history with the dealer (many, many months
    to get a slide out repair), I'm not sure I want to take it to
    them. It's still under warranty though, so it seems they would
    be the best option.


    Considering the 4 hour round trip and the other problems you've had,
    my opinion is: Sometimes, paid-for convenience is better than free
    aggravation. That assumes, of course, that there is a nearby place
    that's competent enough to find the problem and fix it.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to Ted Heise on Thu Mar 28 15:09:21 2024
    On 3/28/2024 8:29 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Very helpful, thanks. Regarding the smell, I'm not convinced it
    was a burned wire (or component). Something hot, but maybe not
    burned. Given the past history with the dealer (many, many months
    to get a slide out repair), I'm not sure I want to take it to
    them. It's still under warranty though, so it seems they would
    be the best option.

    First, thanks for the report. I enjoyed it and am heading that
    direction next week.

    As far as the smell is concerned, first question I would ask is it the
    first time the furnace was used? If yes, I would say it is normal. If
    it is the first time for the season, it also could be considered normal
    as dust and other unwanted things could have gotten in there and burned
    up.
    If it has been used before and it is not an initial burn off of machine
    oils and such, you have to pay attention to exactly what it smells like.
    There are webpages that give various examples of the different smells
    and their causes and the action necessary if it fits the scenario.

    If you DO think it was a burned wire or electrical component, you should certainly do a full inspection. If you are proficient in electrical diagnostics, I'm sure you could hook up a meter to make sure things are
    working within limits. The specs should be all in your documentation
    manuals. If not, I'm sure the stealer could. Good luck resolving this
    and getting peace of mind!

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    Stand With Israel!

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  • From George Anthony@21:1/5 to sticks on Thu Mar 28 20:04:16 2024
    On 3/28/2024 3:09 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 3/28/2024 8:29 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Very helpful, thanks.  Regarding the smell, I'm not convinced it
    was a burned wire (or component).  Something hot, but maybe not
    burned.  Given the past history with the dealer (many, many months
    to get a slide out repair), I'm not sure I want to take it to
    them.  It's still under warranty though, so it seems they would
    be the best option.

    First, thanks for the report.  I enjoyed it and am heading that
    direction next week.

    As far as the smell is concerned, first question I would ask is it the
    first time the furnace was used?  If yes, I would say it is normal.  If
    it is the first time for the season, it also could be considered normal
    as dust and other unwanted things could have gotten in there and burned up. If it has been used before and it is not an initial burn off of machine
    oils and such, you have to pay attention to exactly what it smells like.
     There are webpages that give various examples of the different smells
    and their causes and the action necessary if it fits the scenario.

    If you DO think it was a burned wire or electrical component, you should certainly do a full inspection.  If you are proficient in electrical diagnostics, I'm sure you could hook up a meter to make sure things are working within limits.  The specs should be all in your documentation manuals. If not, I'm sure the stealer could.  Good luck resolving this
    and getting peace of mind!


    I think the scope of the work (unknown at this point) would determine
    your plan of action. There are a lot of good mobile RV technicians. You
    might find one to come out and do an assessment/inspection for a
    relatively reasonable fee. He may or may not be cheaper in the long run
    than hauling it off to the dealer.

    We are getting into the heart of the RV season so leaving it gathering
    dust at the dealership until it gets to the front of the line might not
    appeal to you.

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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Sat Mar 30 13:53:44 2024
    On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 07:10:27 -0700,
    Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
    In article <ZVjNN.729426$xHn7.256498@fx14.iad>, redydog@rye.net says...
    Considering the 4 hour round trip and the other problems
    you've had, my opinion is: Sometimes, paid-for convenience is
    better than free aggravation. That assumes, of course, that
    there is a nearby place that's competent enough to find the
    problem and fix it.

    You bring up a good point I hadn't thought of. For
    warranty work on his apliances he isn't limited to the original
    dealer. If it needs to be repaired any authorized service
    center can do the work on his furnace.

    Good suggestions, thanks. The U.S. headquarters for Truma are in
    Elkhart, which isn't meaningfully farther than the dealer. If I
    decide to get it looked at, I'm a lot more confident they would
    get it right. I sent the dealer a description of the problem and
    a request for their advice. We'll see what comes back.

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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  • From Ted Heise@21:1/5 to George Anthony on Sat Mar 30 14:00:40 2024
    On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 20:04:16 -0500,
    George Anthony <ganthony@gmail.org> wrote:
    On 3/28/2024 3:09 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 3/28/2024 8:29 AM, Ted Heise wrote:
    Very helpful, thanks. Regarding the smell, I'm not convinced
    it was a burned wire (or component). Something hot, but
    maybe not burned. Given the past history with the dealer
    (many, many months to get a slide out repair), I'm not sure I
    want to take it to them. It's still under warranty though,
    so it seems they would be the best option.

    First, thanks for the report. I enjoyed it and am heading
    that direction next week.

    Let me know if you would like any more details of where we stayed
    and what we did. Happy to share. E-mail in the headers is good.


    As far as the smell is concerned, first question I would ask
    is it the first time the furnace was used? If yes, I would
    say it is normal. If it is the first time for the season, it
    also could be considered normal as dust and other unwanted
    things could have gotten in there and burned up. If it has
    been used before and it is not an initial burn off of machine
    oils and such, you have to pay attention to exactly what it
    smells like.

    Thanks for the input. The smell was definitely not a "heating of
    accumulated dust after extended unuse" but neither was it a strong
    smell. My nose is pretty senstitive, so I'm kind of inclined to
    write it off as not significant.



     There are webpages that give various examples of the
    different smells and their causes and the action necessary if
    it fits the scenario.

    If you DO think it was a burned wire or electrical component,
    you should certainly do a full inspection. If you are
    proficient in electrical diagnostics, I'm sure you could hook
    up a meter to make sure things are working within limits.
    The specs should be all in your documentation manuals. If not,
    I'm sure the stealer could. Good luck resolving this and
    getting peace of mind!

    I'm not that proficient. I once let the smoke out of a bank of
    resistors on a q-switch board for a pulsed laser (it was pretty
    obvious which ones were affected when they all turned bright red!)
    but that was mostly luck. Working on this furnace is further
    complicated by it being shoehorned into a very small space under
    the refrigerator. I'm not sure how one would actually work on it
    without pulling it out somehow, and I'm not sure how that would be
    done. :-/


    I think the scope of the work (unknown at this point) would
    determine your plan of action. There are a lot of good mobile
    RV technicians. You might find one to come out and do an
    assessment/inspection for a relatively reasonable fee. He may
    or may not be cheaper in the long run than hauling it off to
    the dealer.

    We are getting into the heart of the RV season so leaving it
    gathering dust at the dealership until it gets to the front of
    the line might not appeal to you.

    Great points. This dealer has been extremely slow to get work
    done in the past, so that's a real disincentive to asking them to
    work on it.

    --
    Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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