---------------------------------------------------
A small-town Alabama pastor and mayor killed himself Friday, days
after a local conservative news website published a story that
included photos of him wearing women’s clothing and makeup.

F.L. “Bubba” Copeland, who was the mayor of Smiths Station and the
pastor at First Baptist Church in Phenix City, shot himself in front
of police during a welfare check, the Lee County Sheriff’s Office said. ------------------------------------------------- https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-mayor-bubba-copeland-kills-self-after-right-wing-1819-news-outs-his-cross-dressing

Killing himself seems a bit extreme to me. He shoulda just moved to
Portland, changed his name to Buffy, and run for mayor out there.

--
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On 11/5/2023 11:41 PM, bfh wrote:

---------------------------------------------------
A small-town Alabama pastor and mayor killed himself Friday, days after
a local conservative news website published a story that included photos
of him wearing women’s clothing and makeup.

F.L. “Bubba” Copeland, who was the mayor of Smiths Station and the
pastor at First Baptist Church in Phenix City, shot himself in front of police during a welfare check, the Lee County Sheriff’s Office said. ------------------------------------------------- https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-mayor-bubba-copeland-kills-self-after-right-wing-1819-news-outs-his-cross-dressing

Killing himself seems a bit extreme to me. He shoulda just moved to
Portland, changed his name to Buffy, and run for mayor out there.

Yeah, Bubba is a bit of a misnomer, especially for the Garden of Oregon.
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On 11/6/2023 11:05 AM, George.Anthony wrote:

Joe Biden could screw up a one float parade.

Someone in the neighborhood put one corn stalk on a stake driven in the
ground and then put up a sign saying, "Joe Biden Corn Maze."


--
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NOTE: If you use Google Groups I don't see you,
unless you're whitelisted and that's doubtful.

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sticks wrote:

On 11/6/2023 11:05 AM, George.Anthony wrote:

Joe Biden could screw up a one float parade.

Someone in the neighborhood put one corn stalk on a stake driven in
the ground and then put up a sign saying, "Joe Biden Corn Maze."

That's probably one stalk too many if you expect a statistically
significant success rate.

--
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On 11/6/2023 1:05 PM, bfh wrote:

sticks wrote:

On 11/6/2023 11:05 AM, George.Anthony wrote:

Joe Biden could screw up a one float parade.

Someone in the neighborhood put one corn stalk on a stake driven in
the ground and then put up a sign saying, "Joe Biden Corn Maze."

That's probably one stalk too many if you expect a statistically
significant success rate.

"Not a joke"


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On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:05:54 AM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

sticks wrote:

On 11/6/2023 11:05 AM, George.Anthony wrote:

Joe Biden could screw up a one float parade.

Someone in the neighborhood put one corn stalk on a stake driven in
the ground and then put up a sign saying, "Joe Biden Corn Maze."

That's probably one stalk too many if you expect a statistically
significant success rate.

bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

At least Biden can remember what year he was president, unlike motor mouth that was to busy holding off the Russians and Chinese to look at financial statements in 2021 Haw Haw Haw

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On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:41:27 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

---------------------------------------------------
A small-town Alabama pastor and mayor killed himself Friday, days
after a local conservative news website published a story that
included photos of him wearing women’s clothing and makeup.

F.L. “Bubba” Copeland, who was the mayor of Smiths Station and the pastor at First Baptist Church in Phenix City, shot himself in front
of police during a welfare check, the Lee County Sheriff’s Office said. ------------------------------------------------- https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-mayor-bubba-copeland-kills-self-after-right-wing-1819-news-outs-his-cross-dressing

Killing himself seems a bit extreme to me. He shoulda just moved to Portland, changed his name to Buffy, and run for mayor out there.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you aren't sympathetic to Bubba's fate, even though he's one of you. He was a retrumplican who had lived in GA for his entire life. This story must have struck a chord for a lot of people. Suicide is very
common for trans people, but this one made the national news.

I think it's pretty easy to understand what happened. Bubba obviously loved the life he had created for himself. I don't think he wanted to be Buffy or anyone else, anywhere else. I don't think he would have found small town life any better here
than anywhere else. Portland would have been a ridiculous choice for a retrumplican. We have plenty of hostility for people who don't conform to gender expectations here.

"Transgender people face significantly higher suicide risk, Danish study finds By Jen Christensen, CNN
Updated 6:18 PM EDT, Wed June 28, 2023"

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/28/health/transgender-suicide-risk/index.html

"The revelation quickly spiraled into a community-wide controversy, eliciting many empathetic and derogatory reactions. One of Copeland’s friends, former Phenix City School Superintendent Larry DiChiara, expressed his anguish and support for Copeland
on social media after the mayor’s death.

In a Facebook post, DiChiara wrote, “Please bare with me while I vent. I am so angry right now and heartbroken. I witnessed a good man be publicly ridiculed and crucified over the last few days…to the point that he just took his own life today.” He
revealed that he had reached out to Copeland offering “support and encouragement,” and Copeland had acknowledged going through some “dark days.

In a pointed message to those who ridiculed Copeland, DiChiara asked, “Are you happy now? What crime did he commit? Some of you people make me sick. I hope you are really proud.”

He ended his post with a prayer for Copeland: “For our brother, F.L. Bubba Copeland, May God bless your soul and forgive those who took pleasure in your suffering. They should all be ashamed!””

https://www.advocate.com/news/alabama-mayor-outed-transgender-dead

TB

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:41:27 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

--------------------------------------------------- A small-town
Alabama pastor and mayor killed himself Friday, days after a
local conservative news website published a story that included
photos of him wearing women’s clothing and makeup.

F.L. “Bubba” Copeland, who was the mayor of Smiths Station
and the pastor at First Baptist Church in Phenix City, shot
himself in front of police during a welfare check, the Lee County
Sheriff’s Office said.
-------------------------------------------------
https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-mayor-bubba-copeland-kills-self-after-right-wing-1819-news-outs-his-cross-dressing

Killing himself seems a bit extreme to me. He shoulda just moved to

Portland, changed his name to Buffy, and run for mayor out
there.

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you aren't sympathetic to
Bubba's fate, even though he's one of you. He was a retrumplican
who had lived in GA for his entire life. This story must have
struck a chord for a lot of people. Suicide is very common for
trans people, but this one made the national news.

The article - and others - call him a cross dresser, not trans. What
was he, and what's the difference? I thought there was a difference.

I think it's pretty easy to understand what happened. Bubba
obviously loved the life he had created for himself. I don't think
he wanted to be Buffy or anyone else, anywhere else. I don't think
he would have found small town life any better here than anywhere
else. Portland would have been a ridiculous choice for a
retrumplican. We have plenty of hostility for people who don't
conform to gender expectations here.

"Transgender people face significantly higher suicide risk, Danish
study finds By Jen Christensen, CNN Updated 6:18 PM EDT, Wed June
28, 2023"

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/28/health/transgender-suicide-risk/index.html

"The revelation quickly spiraled into a community-wide
controversy, eliciting many empathetic and derogatory reactions.
One of Copeland’s friends, former Phenix City School
Superintendent Larry DiChiara, expressed his anguish and support
for Copeland on social media after the mayor’s death.

In a Facebook post, DiChiara wrote, “Please bare with me while I
vent. I am so angry right now and heartbroken. I witnessed a good
man be publicly ridiculed and crucified over the last few days…to
the point that he just took his own life today.” He revealed that
he had reached out to Copeland offering “support and encouragement,” and Copeland had acknowledged going through some “dark days.

In a pointed message to those who ridiculed Copeland, DiChiara
asked, “Are you happy now? What crime did he commit? Some of you
people make me sick. I hope you are really proud.”

He ended his post with a prayer for Copeland: “For our brother,
F.L. Bubba Copeland, May God bless your soul and forgive those who
took pleasure in your suffering. They should all be ashamed!””

https://www.advocate.com/news/alabama-mayor-outed-transgender-dead

TB

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Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:41:27 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote: >>> --------------------------------------------------- A small-town

Alabama pastor and mayor killed himself Friday, days after a
local conservative news website published a story that included
photos of him wearing women’s clothing and makeup.

F.L. “Bubba” Copeland, who was the mayor of Smiths Station
and the pastor at First Baptist Church in Phenix City, shot
himself in front of police during a welfare check, the Lee County
Sheriff’s Office said.
-------------------------------------------------
https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-mayor-bubba-copeland-kills-self-after-right-wing-1819-news-outs-his-cross-dressing

Killing himself seems a bit extreme to me. He shoulda just moved to

Portland, changed his name to Buffy, and run for mayor out
there.

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you aren't sympathetic to
Bubba's fate, even though he's one of you. He was a retrumplican
who had lived in GA for his entire life. This story must have
struck a chord for a lot of people. Suicide is very common for
trans people, but this one made the national news.

The article - and others - call him a cross dresser, not trans. What
was he, and what's the difference? I thought there was a difference.

One other thing - he did Not live "in GA his entire life". He lived in
AL for most of his life.

I think it's pretty easy to understand what happened. Bubba
obviously loved the life he had created for himself. I don't think
he wanted to be Buffy or anyone else, anywhere else. I don't think
he would have found small town life any better here than anywhere
else. Portland would have been a ridiculous choice for a
retrumplican. We have plenty of hostility for people who don't
conform to gender expectations here.

"Transgender people face significantly higher suicide risk, Danish
study finds By Jen Christensen, CNN Updated 6:18 PM EDT, Wed June
28, 2023"

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/28/health/transgender-suicide-risk/index.html >>

 "The revelation quickly spiraled into a community-wide
controversy, eliciting many empathetic and derogatory reactions.
One of Copeland’s friends, former Phenix City School
Superintendent Larry DiChiara, expressed his anguish and support
for Copeland on social media after the mayor’s death.

In a Facebook post, DiChiara wrote, “Please bare with me while I
vent. I am so angry right now and heartbroken. I witnessed a good
man be publicly ridiculed and crucified over the last few days…to
the point that he just took his own life today.” He revealed that
he had reached out to Copeland offering “support and
encouragement,” and Copeland had acknowledged going through some
“dark days.

In a pointed message to those who ridiculed Copeland, DiChiara
asked, “Are you happy now? What crime did he commit? Some of you
people make me sick. I hope you are really proud.”

He ended his post with a prayer for Copeland: “For our brother,
F.L. Bubba Copeland, May God bless your soul and forgive those who
took pleasure in your suffering. They should all be
ashamed!””

https://www.advocate.com/news/alabama-mayor-outed-transgender-dead

TB

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bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 4:14:44 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:41:27 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

--------------------------------------------------- A small-town
Alabama pastor and mayor killed himself Friday, days after a
local conservative news website published a story that included
photos of him wearing women’s clothing and makeup.

F.L. “Bubba†Copeland, who was the mayor of Smiths Station
and the pastor at First Baptist Church in Phenix City, shot
himself in front of police during a welfare check, the Lee County
Sheriff’s Office said.
-------------------------------------------------
https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-mayor-bubba-copeland-kills-self-after-right-wing-1819-news-outs-his-cross-dressing

Killing himself seems a bit extreme to me. He shoulda just moved to

Portland, changed his name to Buffy, and run for mayor out
there.

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you aren't sympathetic to
Bubba's fate, even though he's one of you. He was a retrumplican
who had lived in GA for his entire life. This story must have
struck a chord for a lot of people. Suicide is very common for
trans people, but this one made the national news.

The article - and others - call him a cross dresser, not trans. What
was he, and what's the difference? I thought there was a difference.

There is a difference, but Bubba managed to straddle the border between the two. We can say for sure that he was a crossdresser, but his fantasies were transexual. It sounds like he was transgendered to some extent, but he didn't want to live that
way. For the crossdressers I've met it's a way escaping their ordinary life--temporarily. It's just a costume party for them. They usually don't want to change their actual gender. Bubba obviously had some interest in this.

TB

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On 11/6/2023 6:52 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 4:14:44 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:41:27 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

--------------------------------------------------- A small-town
Alabama pastor and mayor killed himself Friday, days after a
local conservative news website published a story that included
photos of him wearing women’s clothing and makeup.

F.L. “Bubba†Copeland, who was the mayor of Smiths Station
and the pastor at First Baptist Church in Phenix City, shot
himself in front of police during a welfare check, the Lee County
Sheriff’s Office said.
-------------------------------------------------
https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-mayor-bubba-copeland-kills-self-after-right-wing-1819-news-outs-his-cross-dressing

Killing himself seems a bit extreme to me. He shoulda just moved to

Portland, changed his name to Buffy, and run for mayor out
there.

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you aren't sympathetic to
Bubba's fate, even though he's one of you. He was a retrumplican
who had lived in GA for his entire life. This story must have
struck a chord for a lot of people. Suicide is very common for
trans people, but this one made the national news.

The article - and others - call him a cross dresser, not trans. What
was he, and what's the difference? I thought there was a difference.

There is a difference, but Bubba managed to straddle the border between the two. We can say for sure that he was a crossdresser, but his fantasies were transexual. It sounds like he was transgendered to some extent, but he didn't want to live

that way. For the crossdressers I've met it's a way escaping their ordinary life--temporarily. It's just a costume party for them. They usually don't want to change their actual gender. Bubba obviously had some interest in this.

TB

Not Georgia, it's Alabama. I would expect a polymath like yourself would
know the difference. At any rate, he would have been better off among
his own people in The Garden of Oregon. It is more Utopian than Utopia
ever was, according to you. By the way, do you think an American of
African descent could get in on that idyllic gravy train up there? My
electric bill has been increasing every month since January of 2021.

Back to the topic at hand, if a mature man would end his own life over a
choice he made of his own volition, think what will happen in several
years to all the children who grew up with this forced upon them by
ignorant, lunatic liberal parents. In your own words "Suicide is very
common for trans people". It's liable to increase exponentially in a few
years.

Having said that, I don't think it's anyone's business as long as he was
not fomenting it among minors.
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On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 6:07:05 PM UTC-8, George.Anthony wrote:

On 11/6/2023 6:52 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 4:14:44 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:41:27 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

--------------------------------------------------- A small-town
Alabama pastor and mayor killed himself Friday, days after a
local conservative news website published a story that included
photos of him wearing women’s clothing and makeup.

F.L. “Bubba†Copeland, who was the mayor of Smiths Station >>>> and the pastor at First Baptist Church in Phenix City, shot
himself in front of police during a welfare check, the Lee County
Sheriff’s Office said.
-------------------------------------------------
https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-mayor-bubba-copeland-kills-self-after-right-wing-1819-news-outs-his-cross-dressing

Killing himself seems a bit extreme to me. He shoulda just moved to

Portland, changed his name to Buffy, and run for mayor out
there.

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you aren't sympathetic to
Bubba's fate, even though he's one of you. He was a retrumplican
who had lived in GA for his entire life. This story must have
struck a chord for a lot of people. Suicide is very common for
trans people, but this one made the national news.

The article - and others - call him a cross dresser, not trans. What
was he, and what's the difference? I thought there was a difference.

There is a difference, but Bubba managed to straddle the border between the two. We can say for sure that he was a crossdresser, but his fantasies were transexual. It sounds like he was transgendered to some extent, but he didn't want to live that

way. For the crossdressers I've met it's a way escaping their ordinary life--temporarily. It's just a costume party for them. They usually don't want to change their actual gender. Bubba obviously had some interest in this.

TB

Not Georgia, it's Alabama. I would expect a polymath like yourself would know the difference. At any rate, he would have been better off among
his own people in The Garden of Oregon. It is more Utopian than Utopia
ever was, according to you. By the way, do you think an American of
African descent could get in on that idyllic gravy train up there? My electric bill has been increasing every month since January of 2021.

"Utopia" is your extreme interpretation of what I have said. It's very nice here, but I have never said this was utopia here or anything like that.

For a typical 2 bedroom home my electric bill generally runs from around $90 to $150 for everything, heating and all. You could probably do better on your electric bill here, regardless of race. Next year the cost of electricity here will probably
go up 14%.

Back to the topic at hand, if a mature man would end his own life over a choice he made of his own volition, think what will happen in several
years to all the children who grew up with this forced upon them by ignorant, lunatic liberal parents. In your own words "Suicide is very
common for trans people". It's liable to increase exponentially in a few years.

Being forced to be transgendered is likely to be uncommon here. If you want any sort of medical treatment here you have to go through extensive psychological screening. It isn't enough to think you're trans. You have to convince the psychologists
that you are trans. In addition, before you can get any surgery done you have to live as your chosen gender for a year. As a result, in this country, the people who end up regretting having surgery done is around 1%. It's much more likely that parents
insist that their child is not trans. We have a friend here whose father would not speak to her for several years after she came out. He didn't even want to see her in the small town where she grew up. He did eventually reconcile with her. This was
probably caused because he had been told he was dying. It turned out that her father is a deeply closeted gay man.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

Having said that, I don't think it's anyone's business as long as he was
not fomenting it among minors.

There are a lot of people who think it is their business. That is one of the many reasons why it isn't easy to be transgendered.

TB

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On 11/7/2023 9:36 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 6:07:05 PM UTC-8, George.Anthony wrote:

On 11/6/2023 6:52 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 4:14:44 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:41:27 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

--------------------------------------------------- A small-town
Alabama pastor and mayor killed himself Friday, days after a
local conservative news website published a story that included
photos of him wearing women’s clothing and makeup.

F.L. “Bubba†Copeland, who was the mayor of Smiths Station >>>>>> and the pastor at First Baptist Church in Phenix City, shot
himself in front of police during a welfare check, the Lee County
Sheriff’s Office said.
-------------------------------------------------
https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-mayor-bubba-copeland-kills-self-after-right-wing-1819-news-outs-his-cross-dressing

Killing himself seems a bit extreme to me. He shoulda just moved to

Portland, changed his name to Buffy, and run for mayor out
there.

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you aren't sympathetic to
Bubba's fate, even though he's one of you. He was a retrumplican
who had lived in GA for his entire life. This story must have
struck a chord for a lot of people. Suicide is very common for
trans people, but this one made the national news.

The article - and others - call him a cross dresser, not trans. What
was he, and what's the difference? I thought there was a difference.

There is a difference, but Bubba managed to straddle the border between the two. We can say for sure that he was a crossdresser, but his fantasies were transexual. It sounds like he was transgendered to some extent, but he didn't want to live that

way. For the crossdressers I've met it's a way escaping their ordinary life--temporarily. It's just a costume party for them. They usually don't want to change their actual gender. Bubba obviously had some interest in this.

TB

Not Georgia, it's Alabama. I would expect a polymath like yourself would
know the difference. At any rate, he would have been better off among
his own people in The Garden of Oregon. It is more Utopian than Utopia
ever was, according to you. By the way, do you think an American of
African descent could get in on that idyllic gravy train up there? My
electric bill has been increasing every month since January of 2021.

"Utopia" is your extreme interpretation of what I have said. It's very nice here, but I have never said this was utopia here or anything like that.

For a typical 2 bedroom home my electric bill generally runs from around $90 to $150 for everything, heating and all. You could probably do better on your electric bill here, regardless of race. Next year the cost of electricity here will

probably go up 14%.

Back to the topic at hand, if a mature man would end his own life over a
choice he made of his own volition, think what will happen in several
years to all the children who grew up with this forced upon them by
ignorant, lunatic liberal parents. In your own words "Suicide is very
common for trans people". It's liable to increase exponentially in a few
years.

Being forced to be transgendered is likely to be uncommon here. If you want any sort of medical treatment here you have to go through extensive psychological screening. It isn't enough to think you're trans. You have to convince the

psychologists that you are trans. In addition, before you can get any surgery done you have to live as your chosen gender for a year. As a result, in this country, the people who end up regretting having surgery done is around 1%. It's much more likely
that parents insist that their child is not trans. We have a friend here whose father would not speak to her for several years after she came out. He didn't even want to see her in the small town where she grew up. He did eventually reconcile with her.
This was probably caused because he had been told he was dying. It turned out that her father is a deeply closeted gay man.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

Having said that, I don't think it's anyone's business as long as he was
not fomenting it among minors.

There are a lot of people who think it is their business. That is one of the many reasons why it isn't easy to be transgendered.

TB

Same goes for Christians and Jews. A lot of people think it's their
business.
--
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On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:41:27 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

---------------------------------------------------
A small-town Alabama pastor and mayor killed himself Friday, days
after a local conservative news website published a story that
included photos of him wearing women’s clothing and makeup.

F.L. “Bubba” Copeland, who was the mayor of Smiths Station and the pastor at First Baptist Church in Phenix City, shot himself in front
of police during a welfare check, the Lee County Sheriff’s Office said. ------------------------------------------------- https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-mayor-bubba-copeland-kills-self-after-right-wing-1819-news-outs-his-cross-dressing

Killing himself seems a bit extreme to me. He shoulda just moved to Portland, changed his name to Buffy, and run for mayor out there.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

"4 current or former Los Angeles sheriff's officials die in apparent suicides in 2 days
Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna said he was stunned by the deaths, which are said to be unrelated."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/4-current-former-los-angeles-sheriffs-officials-die-apparent-suicides-rcna124121

This morning I find myself lacking in "smart-assed" shit to say about this.

TB

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:41:27 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

---------------------------------------------------
A small-town Alabama pastor and mayor killed himself Friday, days
after a local conservative news website published a story that
included photos of him wearing women’s clothing and makeup.

F.L. “Bubba” Copeland, who was the mayor of Smiths Station and the
pastor at First Baptist Church in Phenix City, shot himself in front
of police during a welfare check, the Lee County Sheriff’s Office said.
-------------------------------------------------
https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-mayor-bubba-copeland-kills-self-after-right-wing-1819-news-outs-his-cross-dressing

Killing himself seems a bit extreme to me. He shoulda just moved to
Portland, changed his name to Buffy, and run for mayor out there.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

"4 current or former Los Angeles sheriff's officials die in apparent suicides in 2 days
Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna said he was stunned by the deaths, which are > said to be unrelated."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/4-current-former-los-angeles-sheriffs-officials-die-apparent-suicides-rcna124121

This morning I find myself lacking in "smart-assed" shit to say about this.

Do you have anything not smart-assed to say about it?

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bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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Technobarbarian wrote:

On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 9:03:25 AM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:41:27 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote: >>>> ---------------------------------------------------

A small-town Alabama pastor and mayor killed himself Friday, days
after a local conservative news website published a story that
included photos of him wearing women’s clothing and makeup.

F.L. “Bubba†Copeland, who was the mayor of Smiths Station and the
pastor at First Baptist Church in Phenix City, shot himself in front
of police during a welfare check, the Lee County Sheriff’s Office said.
-------------------------------------------------
https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-mayor-bubba-copeland-kills-self-after-right-wing-1819-news-outs-his-cross-dressing

Killing himself seems a bit extreme to me. He shoulda just moved to
Portland, changed his name to Buffy, and run for mayor out there.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

"4 current or former Los Angeles sheriff's officials die in apparent suicides in 2 days
Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna said he was stunned by the deaths, which are > said to be unrelated."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/4-current-former-los-angeles-sheriffs-officials-die-apparent-suicides-rcna124121

This morning I find myself lacking in "smart-assed" shit to say about this. >> Do you have anything not smart-assed to say about it?

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bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

Since you guys were all over Bubba, I figured you would have something to say > about this.

If that's all you've got, then at the very least, your figurer
transitorily malfunctioned.

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bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 9:03:25 AM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:41:27 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

---------------------------------------------------
A small-town Alabama pastor and mayor killed himself Friday, days
after a local conservative news website published a story that
included photos of him wearing women’s clothing and makeup.

F.L. “Bubba†Copeland, who was the mayor of Smiths Station and the
pastor at First Baptist Church in Phenix City, shot himself in front
of police during a welfare check, the Lee County Sheriff’s Office said.
-------------------------------------------------
https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-mayor-bubba-copeland-kills-self-after-right-wing-1819-news-outs-his-cross-dressing

Killing himself seems a bit extreme to me. He shoulda just moved to
Portland, changed his name to Buffy, and run for mayor out there.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

"4 current or former Los Angeles sheriff's officials die in apparent suicides in 2 days
Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna said he was stunned by the deaths, which are > said to be unrelated."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/4-current-former-los-angeles-sheriffs-officials-die-apparent-suicides-rcna124121

This morning I find myself lacking in "smart-assed" shit to say about this.

Do you have anything not smart-assed to say about it?
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

Since you guys were all over Bubba, I figured you would have something to say about this.

TB

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On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 6:07:05 PM UTC-8, George.Anthony wrote:

On 11/6/2023 6:52 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 4:14:44 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:41:27 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

--------------------------------------------------- A small-town
Alabama pastor and mayor killed himself Friday, days after a
local conservative news website published a story that included
photos of him wearing women’s clothing and makeup.

F.L. “Bubba†Copeland, who was the mayor of Smiths Station >>>> and the pastor at First Baptist Church in Phenix City, shot
himself in front of police during a welfare check, the Lee County
Sheriff’s Office said.
-------------------------------------------------
https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-mayor-bubba-copeland-kills-self-after-right-wing-1819-news-outs-his-cross-dressing

Killing himself seems a bit extreme to me. He shoulda just moved to

Portland, changed his name to Buffy, and run for mayor out
there.

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you aren't sympathetic to
Bubba's fate, even though he's one of you. He was a retrumplican
who had lived in GA for his entire life. This story must have
struck a chord for a lot of people. Suicide is very common for
trans people, but this one made the national news.

The article - and others - call him a cross dresser, not trans. What
was he, and what's the difference? I thought there was a difference.

There is a difference, but Bubba managed to straddle the border between the two. We can say for sure that he was a crossdresser, but his fantasies were transexual. It sounds like he was transgendered to some extent, but he didn't want to live that

way. For the crossdressers I've met it's a way escaping their ordinary life--temporarily. It's just a costume party for them. They usually don't want to change their actual gender. Bubba obviously had some interest in this.

TB

Not Georgia, it's Alabama. I would expect a polymath like yourself would know the difference. At any rate, he would have been better off among
his own people in The Garden of Oregon. It is more Utopian than Utopia
ever was, according to you. By the way, do you think an American of
African descent could get in on that idyllic gravy train up there? My electric bill has been increasing every month since January of 2021.

Back to the topic at hand, if a mature man would end his own life over a choice he made of his own volition, think what will happen in several
years to all the children who grew up with this forced upon them by ignorant, lunatic liberal parents. In your own words "Suicide is very
common for trans people". It's liable to increase exponentially in a few years.

Having said that, I don't think it's anyone's business as long as he was
not fomenting it among minors.
--

No mention of people who don't conform to gender norms goes through here without you going on about people abusing children, while most of the problem centers on family members and authority figures. The Southern Baptists are struggling with a
conflict between the rules of law and the rules of God. Apparently, trying to do the Christian thing for their victims is too expensive for them.

"Why Southern Baptists are Furious Over a Sex Abuse Case in Kentucky
A brief filed in a Kentucky case has infuriated members of the denomination across the country, just as it grapples with an abuse scandal."

"For six months, almost no one took notice of the brief filed quietly by Southern Baptists in a case winding its way to the Kentucky Supreme Court.

At the center of the case is a woman whose father, a police officer, was convicted in 2020 of sexually abusing her over a period of years when she was a child. The woman later sued several parties, including the Louisville Police Department, saying they
knew about the abuse and had a duty to report it. Now, the state’s highest court is considering whether sex abuse victims can have more time to sue “non-perpetrators” — institutions or their leaders that are obligated to protect children from
such abuse.

None of it appeared to have anything to do with the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation’s largest Protestant denomination. But in April, lawyers representing the denomination filed an amicus brief opposing expansion of the statute of limitations
for lawsuits against third parties, including religious institutions.

The brief, reported by The Louisville Courier-Journal in October, landed like a bombshell in Southern Baptist circles. The organization has spent the last several years grappling with revelations that its national leaders suppressed reports of abuse and
resisted reform for decades. The brief, abuse survivors and those critical of the church say, offers the first clear look at the church’s true position on whether its leaders can be held accountable for abuse.

It has led to a flurry of blistering reactions and efforts by S.B.C. leaders to distance themselves from the brief, which they characterize as a decision driven by lawyers. The brief says that the denomination has a “strong interest in the statute-of-
limitations issue” in the case, and argues that a 2021 state law allowing abuse victims to sue third-party “non-perpetrators” was not intended to be applied retroactively.

“I’ve never seen such unmitigated and justified anger among Southern Baptists,” said Russell Moore, the former head of the denomination’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, who is now the editor in chief of Christianity Today.

The brief has disrupted continuing reform efforts in the denomination, which have gained momentum since an investigation by The Houston Chronicle and The San Antonio Express-News in 2019 revealed that hundreds of Southern Baptist leaders had pleaded
guilty or had been convicted of sex crimes in recent decades.

Since then, the denomination has passed a resolution calling abuse both a sin and a crime, commissioned and published a third-party investigation into its handling of abuse and pledged to create a searchable database of people who have been credibly
accused of abuse in Southern Baptist settings.

The denomination’s president, Bart Barber, who has supported abuse reforms, said in a statement that he takes “full responsibility” for the denomination joining the brief. He said he was asked for approval by the S.B.C.’s legal team and regrets
not giving it the attention he should have. “I know that my credibility with you is harmed by this, perhaps irreparably,” he wrote in an open statement to Southern Baptists.

Yet, in that same statement, he said he is undecided on the matter. “I am not sure exactly what I think about statutes of limitation. I think they are a mixed bag,” he wrote. “I am uncomfortable with the harm statutes of limitations can do, but I
also think that they play a valid role in the law sometimes.”"
[snip]

TB

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On 11/9/2023 5:18 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 6:07:05 PM UTC-8, George.Anthony wrote:

On 11/6/2023 6:52 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 4:14:44 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

Technobarbarian wrote:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 9:41:27 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:

--------------------------------------------------- A small-town
Alabama pastor and mayor killed himself Friday, days after a
local conservative news website published a story that included
photos of him wearing women’s clothing and makeup.

F.L. “Bubba†Copeland, who was the mayor of Smiths Station >>>>>> and the pastor at First Baptist Church in Phenix City, shot
himself in front of police during a welfare check, the Lee County
Sheriff’s Office said.
-------------------------------------------------
https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-mayor-bubba-copeland-kills-self-after-right-wing-1819-news-outs-his-cross-dressing

Killing himself seems a bit extreme to me. He shoulda just moved to

Portland, changed his name to Buffy, and run for mayor out
there.

-- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you aren't sympathetic to
Bubba's fate, even though he's one of you. He was a retrumplican
who had lived in GA for his entire life. This story must have
struck a chord for a lot of people. Suicide is very common for
trans people, but this one made the national news.

The article - and others - call him a cross dresser, not trans. What
was he, and what's the difference? I thought there was a difference.

There is a difference, but Bubba managed to straddle the border between the two. We can say for sure that he was a crossdresser, but his fantasies were transexual. It sounds like he was transgendered to some extent, but he didn't want to live that

way. For the crossdressers I've met it's a way escaping their ordinary life--temporarily. It's just a costume party for them. They usually don't want to change their actual gender. Bubba obviously had some interest in this.

TB

Not Georgia, it's Alabama. I would expect a polymath like yourself would
know the difference. At any rate, he would have been better off among
his own people in The Garden of Oregon. It is more Utopian than Utopia
ever was, according to you. By the way, do you think an American of
African descent could get in on that idyllic gravy train up there? My
electric bill has been increasing every month since January of 2021.

Back to the topic at hand, if a mature man would end his own life over a
choice he made of his own volition, think what will happen in several
years to all the children who grew up with this forced upon them by
ignorant, lunatic liberal parents. In your own words "Suicide is very
common for trans people". It's liable to increase exponentially in a few
years.

Having said that, I don't think it's anyone's business as long as he was
not fomenting it among minors.
--

No mention of people who don't conform to gender norms goes through here without you going on about people abusing children,

And I will continue as long as you perverted liberal loons abuse children.

Remaining unimportant drivel deleted...

TB

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