• OT? - Rattlesnake Logic

    From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 5 09:49:47 2023
    Sent to me by a fellow conservative. It's exactly how I deal with
    rattlesnakes. ___________________________________________________________________
    Rattlesnake Logic In Dealing With Terrorists

    After the Boston bombing the news media spent days and weeks trying to determine why these men did what they did. They want to know what
    America did to make these brothers so angry with us.

    They want to know why these men were not arrested before they did
    something so terrible.

    The media is in a tizzy about this new era of home-grown radicals and
    about why and how they can live among us and still hate us.



    A Texan explained it:

    Here in west Texas I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among us.

    I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch. I have killed a
    rattlesnake on the back porch.

    I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on the driveway.

    In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter. I kill rattlesnakes
    because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject me with poison. I
    don't stop to wonder WHY a rattlesnake will bite me;

    I know it WILL bite me because it's a rattlesnake and that's what rattlesnakes do.

    I don't try to reason with a rattlesnake or have a "meaningful
    dialogue" with it. I just kill it.

    I don't try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a way
    to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite me.. I just
    kill them.

    I don't quiz a rattlesnake to see if I can find out where the other
    snakes are, because (a) it won't tell me and (b) I already know they
    live on my place. So, I just kill the rattlesnake and move on to the
    next one.

    I don't look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake to a non-poisonous rat snake. I just kill it. Oh, and on occasion, I
    accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it was a rattlesnake at
    the time.

    Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking out
    there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to rid my place
    of rattlesnakes.

    Do I fear them? Not really. Do I respect what they can do to me and
    my family? Yes!

    And because of that respect, I give them the fair justice they
    deserve. I kill them. As a country, we should start giving more
    thought to the fact that these jihadists' are telling the world their
    goal is to kill Americans and destroy our way of life.
    --
    Joe Biden could screw up a one float parade.

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to George.Anthony on Sun Nov 5 08:26:07 2023
    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 7:49:47 AM UTC-8, George.Anthony wrote:
    Sent to me by a fellow conservative. It's exactly how I deal with rattlesnakes. ___________________________________________________________________ Rattlesnake Logic In Dealing With Terrorists

    After the Boston bombing the news media spent days and weeks trying to determine why these men did what they did. They want to know what
    America did to make these brothers so angry with us.

    They want to know why these men were not arrested before they did
    something so terrible.

    The media is in a tizzy about this new era of home-grown radicals and
    about why and how they can live among us and still hate us.



    A Texan explained it:

    Here in west Texas I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among us.

    I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch. I have killed a
    rattlesnake on the back porch.

    I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on the driveway.

    In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter. I kill rattlesnakes
    because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject me with poison. I
    don't stop to wonder WHY a rattlesnake will bite me;

    I know it WILL bite me because it's a rattlesnake and that's what rattlesnakes do.

    I don't try to reason with a rattlesnake or have a "meaningful
    dialogue" with it. I just kill it.

    I don't try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a way
    to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite me.. I just
    kill them.

    I don't quiz a rattlesnake to see if I can find out where the other
    snakes are, because (a) it won't tell me and (b) I already know they
    live on my place. So, I just kill the rattlesnake and move on to the
    next one.

    I don't look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake to a non-poisonous rat snake. I just kill it. Oh, and on occasion, I
    accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it was a rattlesnake at
    the time.

    Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking out
    there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to rid my place
    of rattlesnakes.

    Do I fear them? Not really. Do I respect what they can do to me and
    my family? Yes!

    And because of that respect, I give them the fair justice they
    deserve. I kill them. As a country, we should start giving more
    thought to the fact that these jihadists' are telling the world their
    goal is to kill Americans and destroy our way of life.
    --
    Joe Biden could screw up a one float parade.

    "According to the CDC there are between 7,000 and 8,000 bites per year in the U.S. – this counts all venomous snakes, all across the country – resulting in approximately five deaths per year. That is already a miniscule percentage, but looking closer
    at the data shows who’s really at risk:

    55 percent of bite victims are men between the ages of 17 and 27
    85 percent of bites are on the hand or fingers
    28 percent of bite victims are intoxicated"

    https://sonomaecologycenter.org/the-real-numbers-on-rattlesnake-bites/#:~:text=55%20percent%20of%20bite%20victims,of%20bite%20victims%20are%20intoxicated

    IOW most of the people who get bit are handling the snake. I worked in Sabino Canyon outside of Tucson for a couple of years. That place is full of snakes (and Gila Monsters). The Forest service built a shelter with benches. The benches used cider
    blocks for a base and then had a wood platform on top of that. The rattlers liked to get in those benches between the cinder blocks and the wood. More than once I saw a rattler crawl out from under some tourist and out between their feet, on their way
    back to the desert. As long as no one bothered them they didn't even coil up or make any noise. This did tend to make the tourists more alert.

    A common technique for fascists is to dehumanize people. Make them into an animal that's less than a human being.

    TB

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  • From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Sun Nov 5 13:47:32 2023
    On 11/5/2023 10:26 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 7:49:47 AM UTC-8, George.Anthony wrote:
    Sent to me by a fellow conservative. It's exactly how I deal with
    rattlesnakes.
    ___________________________________________________________________
    Rattlesnake Logic In Dealing With Terrorists

    After the Boston bombing the news media spent days and weeks trying to
    determine why these men did what they did. They want to know what
    America did to make these brothers so angry with us.

    They want to know why these men were not arrested before they did
    something so terrible.

    The media is in a tizzy about this new era of home-grown radicals and
    about why and how they can live among us and still hate us.



    A Texan explained it:

    Here in west Texas I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among us.

    I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch. I have killed a
    rattlesnake on the back porch.

    I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on the driveway.

    In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter. I kill rattlesnakes
    because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject me with poison. I
    don't stop to wonder WHY a rattlesnake will bite me;

    I know it WILL bite me because it's a rattlesnake and that's what
    rattlesnakes do.

    I don't try to reason with a rattlesnake or have a "meaningful
    dialogue" with it. I just kill it.

    I don't try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a way
    to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite me.. I just
    kill them.

    I don't quiz a rattlesnake to see if I can find out where the other
    snakes are, because (a) it won't tell me and (b) I already know they
    live on my place. So, I just kill the rattlesnake and move on to the
    next one.

    I don't look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake to a
    non-poisonous rat snake. I just kill it. Oh, and on occasion, I
    accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it was a rattlesnake at
    the time.

    Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking out
    there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to rid my place
    of rattlesnakes.

    Do I fear them? Not really. Do I respect what they can do to me and
    my family? Yes!

    And because of that respect, I give them the fair justice they
    deserve. I kill them. As a country, we should start giving more
    thought to the fact that these jihadists' are telling the world their
    goal is to kill Americans and destroy our way of life.
    --
    Joe Biden could screw up a one float parade.

    "According to the CDC there are between 7,000 and 8,000 bites per year in the U.S. – this counts all venomous snakes, all across the country – resulting in approximately five deaths per year. That is already a miniscule percentage, but looking
    closer at the data shows who’s really at risk:

    55 percent of bite victims are men between the ages of 17 and 27
    85 percent of bites are on the hand or fingers
    28 percent of bite victims are intoxicated"

    https://sonomaecologycenter.org/the-real-numbers-on-rattlesnake-bites/#:~:text=55%20percent%20of%20bite%20victims,of%20bite%20victims%20are%20intoxicated

    IOW most of the people who get bit are handling the snake. I worked in Sabino Canyon outside of Tucson for a couple of years. That place is full of snakes (and Gila Monsters). The Forest service built a shelter with benches. The benches used
    cider blocks for a base and then had a wood platform on top of that. The rattlers liked to get in those benches between the cinder blocks and the wood. More than once I saw a rattler crawl out from under some tourist and out between their feet, on their
    way back to the desert. As long as no one bothered them they didn't even coil up or make any noise. This did tend to make the tourists more alert.

    A common technique for fascists is to dehumanize people. Make them into an animal that's less than a human being.

    TB


    You just can't help yourself, can you?
    --
    Joe Biden could screw up a one float parade.

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Sun Nov 5 15:13:09 2023
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 7:49:47 AM UTC-8, George.Anthony
    wrote:
    Sent to me by a fellow conservative. It's exactly how I deal
    with rattlesnakes.
    ___________________________________________________________________


    Rattlesnake Logic In Dealing With Terrorists

    After the Boston bombing the news media spent days and weeks
    trying to determine why these men did what they did. They want to
    know what America did to make these brothers so angry with us.

    They want to know why these men were not arrested before they
    did something so terrible.

    The media is in a tizzy about this new era of home-grown radicals
    and about why and how they can live among us and still hate us.



    A Texan explained it:

    Here in west Texas I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among
    us.

    I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch. I have killed a
    rattlesnake on the back porch.

    I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on the
    driveway.

    In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter. I kill
    rattlesnakes because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject
    me with poison. I don't stop to wonder WHY a rattlesnake will
    bite me;

    I know it WILL bite me because it's a rattlesnake and that's
    what rattlesnakes do.

    I don't try to reason with a rattlesnake or have a "meaningful
    dialogue" with it. I just kill it.

    I don't try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a
    way to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite
    me.. I just kill them.

    I don't quiz a rattlesnake to see if I can find out where the
    other snakes are, because (a) it won't tell me and (b) I already
    know they live on my place. So, I just kill the rattlesnake and
    move on to the next one.

    I don't look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake
    to a non-poisonous rat snake. I just kill it. Oh, and on
    occasion, I accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it
    was a rattlesnake at the time.

    Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking
    out there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to
    rid my place of rattlesnakes.

    Do I fear them? Not really. Do I respect what they can do to me
    and my family? Yes!

    And because of that respect, I give them the fair justice they
    deserve. I kill them. As a country, we should start giving more
    thought to the fact that these jihadists' are telling the world
    their goal is to kill Americans and destroy our way of life. --
    Joe Biden could screw up a one float parade.

    "According to the CDC there are between 7,000 and 8,000 bites per
    year in the U.S. – this counts all venomous snakes, all across
    the country – resulting in approximately five deaths per year.
    That is already a miniscule percentage, but looking closer at the
    data shows who’s really at risk:

    55 percent of bite victims are men between the ages of 17 and 27 85
    percent of bites are on the hand or fingers 28 percent of bite
    victims are intoxicated"

    https://sonomaecologycenter.org/the-real-numbers-on-rattlesnake-bites/#:~:text=55%20percent%20of%20bite%20victims,of%20bite%20victims%20are%20intoxicated

    IOW most of the people who get bit are handling the snake. I
    worked in Sabino Canyon outside of Tucson for a couple of years.
    That place is full of snakes (and Gila Monsters). The Forest
    service built a shelter with benches. The benches used cider blocks
    for a base and then had a wood platform on top of that. The
    rattlers liked to get in those benches between the cinder blocks
    and the wood. More than once I saw a rattler crawl out from under
    some tourist and out between their feet, on their way back to the
    desert. As long as no one bothered them they didn't even coil up or
    make any noise. This did tend to make the tourists more alert.

    Who really knows what bothers a snake? When I was stationed in Tucson,
    we hunted quail behind Picacho Peak. When one guy reached in a bush
    for a quail he had shot, a rattler hit his hand. He was neither
    intoxicated, nor handling the snake, nor 'bothering' it.

    In the nearly 40 years I've been living here, I've killed 3 rattlers
    in my yard. And then what happens? My wife got bitten by a gray rat
    snake that she wasn't 'bothering'. However comma I still don't kill non-poisonous snakes.............and counter to my wife's demand - who
    wanted it immediately terminated with extreme prejudice - I didn't
    kill that one, either.

    Myownself has been bitten by yellow rat snake, a coachwhip snake, and
    even a hog-nosed snake - which is allegedly supposed to not
    bite.....but in the interest of transparency, I must admit that I was
    probably 'bothering' them. But I was not intoxicated.

    As an aside, there once was a guy here in the neighborhood who
    collected rattlesnakes, milked them and sold the venom, and also put
    on demonstrations at local schools. The 4th time he got bitten
    collecting or milking, he died. Later on his son, who is not a
    vengeful person, managed to release - in numerous trips - all 114 of
    them out in the woods somewhere without getting bitten. I guess the
    snakes realized that they weren't being 'bothered'.

    A common technique for fascists is to dehumanize people. Make them
    into an animal that's less than a human being.

    Some people Are animals that are less than human beings.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From kmiller@21:1/5 to bfh on Sun Nov 5 14:56:02 2023
    On 11/5/2023 12:13 PM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 7:49:47 AM UTC-8, George.Anthony
    wrote:
    Sent to me by a fellow conservative. It's exactly how I deal
    with rattlesnakes.
    ___________________________________________________________________


    Rattlesnake Logic In Dealing With Terrorists

    After the Boston bombing the news media spent days and weeks
    trying to determine why these men did what they did. They want to
    know what America did to make these brothers so angry with us.

    They want to know why these men were not arrested before they
    did something so terrible.

    The media is in a tizzy about this new era of home-grown radicals
    and about why and how they can live among us and still hate us.



    A Texan explained it:

    Here in west Texas I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among
    us.

    I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch. I have killed a
    rattlesnake on the back porch.

    I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on the
    driveway.

    In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter. I kill
    rattlesnakes because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject
    me with poison. I don't stop to wonder WHY a rattlesnake will
    bite me;

    I know it WILL bite me because it's a rattlesnake and that's
    what rattlesnakes do.

    I don't try to reason with a rattlesnake or have a "meaningful
    dialogue" with it. I just kill it.

    I don't try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a
    way to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite
    me.. I just kill them.

    I don't quiz a rattlesnake to see if I can find out where the
    other snakes are, because (a) it won't tell me and (b) I already
    know they live on my place. So, I just kill the rattlesnake and
    move on to the next one.

    I don't look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake
    to a non-poisonous rat snake. I just kill it. Oh, and on
    occasion, I accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it
    was a rattlesnake at the time.

    Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking
    out there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to
    rid my place of rattlesnakes.

    Do I fear them? Not really. Do I respect what they can do to me
    and my family? Yes!

    And because of that respect, I give them the fair justice they
    deserve. I kill them. As a country, we should start giving more
    thought to the fact that these jihadists' are telling the world
    their goal is to kill Americans and destroy our way of life. -- Joe
    Biden could screw up a one float parade.

    "According to the CDC there are between 7,000 and 8,000 bites per
    year in the U.S. – this counts all venomous snakes, all across
    the country – resulting in approximately five deaths per year.
    That is already a miniscule percentage, but looking closer at the
    data shows who’s really at risk:

    55 percent of bite victims are men between the ages of 17 and 27 85
    percent of bites are on the hand or fingers 28 percent of bite
    victims are intoxicated"

    https://sonomaecologycenter.org/the-real-numbers-on-rattlesnake-bites/#:~:text=55%20percent%20of%20bite%20victims,of%20bite%20victims%20are%20intoxicated

     IOW most of the people who get bit are handling the snake. I
    worked in Sabino Canyon outside of Tucson for a couple of years.
    That place is full of snakes (and Gila Monsters). The Forest
    service built a shelter with benches. The benches used cider blocks
    for a base and then had a wood platform on top of that. The
    rattlers liked to get in those benches between the cinder blocks
    and the wood. More than once I saw a rattler crawl out from under
    some tourist and out between their feet, on their way back to the
    desert. As long as no one bothered them they didn't even coil up or
    make any noise. This did tend to make the tourists more alert.

    Who really knows what bothers a snake? When I was stationed in Tucson,
    we hunted quail behind Picacho Peak. When one guy reached in a bush for
    a quail he had shot, a rattler hit his hand. He was neither intoxicated,
    nor handling the snake, nor 'bothering' it.

    In the nearly 40 years I've been living here, I've killed 3 rattlers in
    my yard. And then what happens? My wife got bitten by a gray rat snake
    that she wasn't 'bothering'. However comma I still don't kill
    non-poisonous snakes.............and counter to my wife's demand - who
    wanted it immediately terminated with extreme prejudice -  I didn't kill that one, either.

    Myownself has been bitten by yellow rat snake, a coachwhip snake, and
    even a hog-nosed snake - which is allegedly supposed to not bite.....but
    in the interest of transparency, I must admit that I was probably
    'bothering' them. But I was not intoxicated.

    As an aside, there once was a guy here in the neighborhood who collected rattlesnakes, milked them and sold the venom, and also put on
    demonstrations at local schools. The 4th time he got bitten collecting
    or milking, he died. Later on his son, who is not a vengeful person,
    managed to release - in numerous trips - all 114 of them out in the
    woods somewhere without getting bitten. I guess the snakes realized that
    they weren't being 'bothered'.

    A common technique for fascists is to dehumanize people. Make them
    into an animal that's less than a human being.

    Some people Are animals that are less than human beings.


    I ate the only rattlesnake I ever killed. You know what it tasted like...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to kmiller on Sun Nov 5 19:18:34 2023
    kmiller wrote:
    On 11/5/2023 12:13 PM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 7:49:47 AM UTC-8, George.Anthony
    wrote:
    Sent to me by a fellow conservative. It's exactly how I deal
    with rattlesnakes.
    ___________________________________________________________________


    Rattlesnake Logic In Dealing With Terrorists

    After the Boston bombing the news media spent days and weeks
    trying to determine why these men did what they did. They want to
    know what America did to make these brothers so angry with us.

    They want to know why these men were not arrested before they
    did something so terrible.

    The media is in a tizzy about this new era of home-grown radicals
    and about why and how they can live among us and still hate us.



    A Texan explained it:

    Here in west Texas I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among
    us.

    I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch. I have killed a
    rattlesnake on the back porch.

    I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on the
    driveway.

    In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter. I kill
    rattlesnakes because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject
    me with poison. I don't stop to wonder WHY a rattlesnake will
    bite me;

    I know it WILL bite me because it's a rattlesnake and that's
    what rattlesnakes do.

    I don't try to reason with a rattlesnake or have a "meaningful
    dialogue" with it. I just kill it.

    I don't try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a
    way to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite
    me.. I just kill them.

    I don't quiz a rattlesnake to see if I can find out where the
    other snakes are, because (a) it won't tell me and (b) I already
    know they live on my place. So, I just kill the rattlesnake and
    move on to the next one.

    I don't look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake
    to a non-poisonous rat snake. I just kill it. Oh, and on
    occasion, I accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it
    was a rattlesnake at the time.

    Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking
    out there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to
    rid my place of rattlesnakes.

    Do I fear them? Not really. Do I respect what they can do to me
    and my family? Yes!

    And because of that respect, I give them the fair justice they
    deserve. I kill them. As a country, we should start giving more
    thought to the fact that these jihadists' are telling the world
    their goal is to kill Americans and destroy our way of life. --
    Joe Biden could screw up a one float parade.

    "According to the CDC there are between 7,000 and 8,000 bites per
    year in the U.S. – this counts all venomous snakes, all across
    the country – resulting in approximately five deaths per year.
    That is already a miniscule percentage, but looking closer at the
    data shows who’s really at risk:

    55 percent of bite victims are men between the ages of 17 and 27 85
    percent of bites are on the hand or fingers 28 percent of bite
    victims are intoxicated"

    https://sonomaecologycenter.org/the-real-numbers-on-rattlesnake-bites/#:~:text=55%20percent%20of%20bite%20victims,of%20bite%20victims%20are%20intoxicated


     IOW most of the people who get bit are handling the snake. I
    worked in Sabino Canyon outside of Tucson for a couple of years.
    That place is full of snakes (and Gila Monsters). The Forest
    service built a shelter with benches. The benches used cider blocks
    for a base and then had a wood platform on top of that. The
    rattlers liked to get in those benches between the cinder blocks
    and the wood. More than once I saw a rattler crawl out from under
    some tourist and out between their feet, on their way back to the
    desert. As long as no one bothered them they didn't even coil up or
    make any noise. This did tend to make the tourists more alert.

    Who really knows what bothers a snake? When I was stationed in
    Tucson, we hunted quail behind Picacho Peak. When one guy reached in
    a bush for a quail he had shot, a rattler hit his hand. He was
    neither intoxicated, nor handling the snake, nor 'bothering' it.

    In the nearly 40 years I've been living here, I've killed 3 rattlers
    in my yard. And then what happens? My wife got bitten by a gray rat
    snake that she wasn't 'bothering'. However comma I still don't kill
    non-poisonous snakes.............and counter to my wife's demand -
    who wanted it immediately terminated with extreme prejudice -  I
    didn't kill that one, either.

    Myownself has been bitten by yellow rat snake, a coachwhip snake,
    and even a hog-nosed snake - which is allegedly supposed to not
    bite.....but in the interest of transparency, I must admit that I
    was probably 'bothering' them. But I was not intoxicated.

    As an aside, there once was a guy here in the neighborhood who
    collected rattlesnakes, milked them and sold the venom, and also put
    on demonstrations at local schools. The 4th time he got bitten
    collecting or milking, he died. Later on his son, who is not a
    vengeful person, managed to release - in numerous trips - all 114 of
    them out in the woods somewhere without getting bitten. I guess the
    snakes realized that they weren't being 'bothered'.

    A common technique for fascists is to dehumanize people. Make them
    into an animal that's less than a human being.

    Some people Are animals that are less than human beings.


    I ate the only rattlesnake I ever killed. You know what it tasted like...

    Yep. During survival training in Panama in a previous life, I ate
    iguana tails......but it was better than chicken. Those people in FL
    who have iguanas falling out of trees are missing the boat if they
    don't eat them.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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