• Dem immigration playbook

    From bfh@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 20 13:52:44 2023
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
    3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
    support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
    comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
    problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
    take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to bfh on Sat Oct 21 14:04:21 2023
    bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
    3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
    support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
    problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
    take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration


    That’s how they roll. And lunatics like our resident NAGA dimocrats lap it
    up like a thirsty milk drinking cat.

    --
    One out of three Biden voters is just as clueless as the other two.

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  • From kmiller@21:1/5 to bfh on Sun Oct 22 11:59:32 2023
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
    3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
    support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
    problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
    take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration


    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes. I'm
    sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

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  • From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to kmiller on Sun Oct 22 14:07:38 2023
    On 10/22/2023 1:59 PM, kmiller wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
    3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
    support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
    comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
    problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
    take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration


    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes. I'm
    sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

    I want to make sure you resident NAGA dimocrats understand something so
    I will say it twice and then I will tell you what I told you. It is NOT conservatives screwing up the speaker election. It is swamp, i.e.,
    "moderate" republicans or dimocrats lite. Let me say it again, it is
    swamp, i.e., "moderate" republicans or dimocrats lite. And just to make
    sure you pea brain loons understand, what I told you, it is swamp, i.e., "moderate" republicans or dimocrats lite.

    So, if you want to be critical of the process, in effect it is your
    people doing the screwing up. No conservative would even consider
    working with NAGA dimocrats to choose a speaker.
    --
    Thousands of unchecked illegal aliens are crossing the border all the
    while I have to get my pecker x-ray'd or get felt up by a TSA agent just
    to get on an airplane.

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to George.Anthony on Sun Oct 22 14:29:42 2023
    On 10/22/2023 2:07 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 1:59 PM, kmiller wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
    3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
    support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
    comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
    problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
    take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration


    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes. I'm
    sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

    I want to make sure you resident NAGA dimocrats understand something so
    I will say it twice and then I will tell you what I told you. It is NOT conservatives screwing up the speaker election. It is swamp, i.e.,
    "moderate" republicans or dimocrats lite. Let me say it again, it is
    swamp, i.e., "moderate" republicans or dimocrats lite. And just to make
    sure you pea brain loons understand, what I told you, it is swamp, i.e., "moderate" republicans or dimocrats lite.

    So, if you want to be critical of the process, in effect it is your
    people doing the screwing up. No conservative would even consider
    working with NAGA dimocrats to choose a speaker.

    We're starting to understand how fucked up the whole system is, globally!

    <https://beforeitsnews.com/beyond-science/2023/10/enjoy-the-show-2455545.html>

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to kmiller on Sun Oct 22 19:31:11 2023
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
    3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
    support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
    comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
    problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
    take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration


    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes. I'm
    sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

    Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From kmiller@21:1/5 to bfh on Sun Oct 22 18:27:25 2023
    On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
    3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
    support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
    comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
    problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
    take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration


    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes. I'm
    sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

    Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?


    Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to kmiller on Sun Oct 22 21:45:20 2023
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
    3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" -
    to support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
    comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
    problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and
    then take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration >>>>


    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes.
    I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

    Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?


    Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.

    You should have been a politician.

    October average:
    137 DL
    15 UL
    32 Latency

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to bfh on Sun Oct 22 21:34:00 2023
    On 10/22/2023 6:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
    3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
    support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
    comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
    problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
    take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration


    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes. I'm
    sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

    Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?

    This guy says the problem is libtards are no longer objective. I don't
    really feel that way. They just don't care, as long as they get their
    marxist society. He's spot on with everything else.

    <https://rumble.com/v3r075t-dude-sums-up-leftists-skewed-perceptions-of-biden-vs-trump-in-under-3-minut.html>

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to sticks on Mon Oct 23 02:07:57 2023
    sticks wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 6:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
    3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" -
    to support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
    comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
    problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and
    then take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration >>>>


    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes.
    I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

    Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?

    This guy says the problem is libtards are no longer objective.  I
    don't really feel that way.  They just don't care, as long as they get their marxist society.  He's spot on with everything else.

    <https://rumble.com/v3r075t-dude-sums-up-leftists-skewed-perceptions-of-biden-vs-trump-in-under-3-minut.html>

    That guy talks faster than I can hear.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to bfh on Mon Oct 23 18:55:50 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:52:49 AM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
    3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
    support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
    problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
    take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    To listen to you whining you would think the current administration had reduced border security. We are actually putting more resources into border security now than we have at any other time in your life. You might not have noticed this, but
    there are always limits on what congress is willing to spend on the border.

    TB

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Mon Oct 23 21:58:01 2023
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:52:49 AM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked. 2.
    Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals. 3.
    Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" -
    to support the denial. 4. If inconvenient questions are asked,
    decline to comment. 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call
    it comprehensive reform. 7. Finally, when things start to
    improve, admit that there were problems, but claim that they were
    caused by somebody else, and then take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration



    --
    bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    To listen to you whining you would think the current administration
    had reduced border security. We are actually putting more resources
    into border security now than we have at any other time in your
    life. You might not have noticed this, but there are always limits
    on what congress is willing to spend on the border.

    LOL!

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to kmiller on Mon Oct 23 22:53:24 2023
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
    3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure"
    - to support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call
    it comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
    problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and
    then take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration >>>>>>


    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House
    repubes. I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

    Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?


    Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.

    You should have been a politician.

    October average:
    137 DL
    15 UL
    32 Latency


    That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely, tremendously, everybody said so even the experts, heavy rainfall takes my dishy
    offline 'til it passes.

    In my experience, local rain itself - no matter how heavy - doesn't
    matter much. I allege that for weather to shut me down, t-storms or
    dense rain clouds have to cover a wide expanse of sky. All we need is
    one sat to have a connection, and these days, I allegedly have 8-12
    sats up there all over the sky most of the time. Also, all the
    additional sats up there now have made my evil pine trees
    inefficacious as obstructionists.
    I further allege that this supports my previous allegations: https://starlink.sx/

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From kmiller@21:1/5 to bfh on Mon Oct 23 19:23:56 2023
    On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
    3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" -
    to support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
    comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
    problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and
    then take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration >>>>>

    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes.
    I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

    Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?


    Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.

    You should have been a politician.

    October average:
    137 DL
    15 UL
    32 Latency


    That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely, tremendously, everybody said so even the experts, heavy rainfall takes my dishy
    offline 'til it passes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to bfh on Tue Oct 24 08:43:08 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 6:58:05 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:52:49 AM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked. 2.
    Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals. 3.
    Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" -
    to support the denial. 4. If inconvenient questions are asked,
    decline to comment. 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call
    it comprehensive reform. 7. Finally, when things start to
    improve, admit that there were problems, but claim that they were
    caused by somebody else, and then take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration >>


    --
    bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    To listen to you whining you would think the current administration
    had reduced border security. We are actually putting more resources
    into border security now than we have at any other time in your
    life. You might not have noticed this, but there are always limits
    on what congress is willing to spend on the border.
    LOL!
    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    If you're interested these guys break down the numbers:

    "The Cost of Immigration Enforcement and Border Security"

    "The federal government has already met the border security benchmarks laid down in earlier Senate
    immigration reform bills."

    "Even with record level spending on enforcement, enforcement alone is not sufficient to address the challenges
    of undocumented migration."

    12 It also has significant unintended consequences; according to U.S. Border Patrol
    statistics, the Southwest border witnesses close to one death per day.

    13 All of these efforts that have
    accumulated in the name of security, however, do not necessarily measure border security properly, or make
    the border more secure.

    14 It is past time for the United States to turn away from costly and haphazard efforts to
    secure the border and instead focus on reining in the costs of border enforcement"

    "Since 1993, when the current strategy of concentrated border enforcement was first rolled out along the
    U.S.-Mexico border, the annual budget of the U.S. Border Patrol has increased more than ten-fold, from $363
    million to nearly $4.9 billion (Figure 1)."

    "Border security depends on the smart and efficient use of available resources. At the same, border enforcement
    cannot and should not be done in isolation. Instead, it must be examined in the larger context of reforms needed
    for the entire immigration system"

    https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/the_cost_of_immigration_enforcement_and_border_security.pdf

    "Immigration reform"? Oh yeah, that's been on the table for longer than we have been alive. But, it never seems to get done. My favorite was when Saint Ronnie fixed it by giving millions of people amnesty. That was supposed to take care of the
    problem forever. LOL

    TB

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  • From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to bfh on Tue Oct 24 19:56:17 2023
    bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:52:49 AM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked. 2.
    Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals. 3.
    Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" -
    to support the denial. 4. If inconvenient questions are asked,
    decline to comment. 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call
    it comprehensive reform. 7. Finally, when things start to
    improve, admit that there were problems, but claim that they were
    caused by somebody else, and then take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration




    LOL

    Bwah Hah Hah, Haw Haw Haw, Snicker Snicker. And all this time I thought you NAGA dimocrats don’t have a sense of humor.

    --
    One out of three Biden voters is just as clueless as the other two.

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  • From kmiller@21:1/5 to bfh on Wed Oct 25 16:14:33 2023
    On 10/23/2023 7:53 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
    3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - >>>>>>> to support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it >>>>>>> comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
    problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and
    then take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration >>>>>>>

    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes. >>>>>> I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

    Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?


    Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.

    You should have been a politician.

    October average:
    137 DL
    15 UL
    32 Latency


    That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely, tremendously,
    everybody said so even the experts, heavy rainfall takes my dishy
    offline 'til it passes.

    In my experience, local rain itself - no matter how heavy - doesn't
    matter much.

    That's what I used to say.

    I allege that for weather to shut me down, t-storms or
    dense rain clouds have to cover a wide expanse of sky. All we need is
    one sat to have a connection, and these days, I allegedly have 8-12 sats
    up there all over the sky most of the time. Also, all the additional
    sats up there now have made my evil pine trees inefficacious as obstructionists.
    I further allege that this supports my previous allegations: https://starlink.sx/


    I think your alleged allegories got ate by alligators.

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  • From kmiller@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Wed Oct 25 16:17:17 2023
    On 10/24/2023 8:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 6:58:05 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:52:49 AM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked. 2.
    Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals. 3.
    Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" -
    to support the denial. 4. If inconvenient questions are asked,
    decline to comment. 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call
    it comprehensive reform. 7. Finally, when things start to
    improve, admit that there were problems, but claim that they were
    caused by somebody else, and then take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration >>>>


    --
    bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    To listen to you whining you would think the current administration
    had reduced border security. We are actually putting more resources
    into border security now than we have at any other time in your
    life. You might not have noticed this, but there are always limits
    on what congress is willing to spend on the border.
    LOL!
    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    If you're interested these guys break down the numbers:

    "The Cost of Immigration Enforcement and Border Security"

    "The federal government has already met the border security benchmarks laid down in earlier Senate
    immigration reform bills."

    "Even with record level spending on enforcement, enforcement alone is not sufficient to address the challenges
    of undocumented migration."

    12 It also has significant unintended consequences; according to U.S. Border Patrol
    statistics, the Southwest border witnesses close to one death per day.

    13 All of these efforts that have
    accumulated in the name of security, however, do not necessarily measure border security properly, or make
    the border more secure.

    14 It is past time for the United States to turn away from costly and haphazard efforts to
    secure the border and instead focus on reining in the costs of border enforcement"

    "Since 1993, when the current strategy of concentrated border enforcement was first rolled out along the
    U.S.-Mexico border, the annual budget of the U.S. Border Patrol has increased more than ten-fold, from $363
    million to nearly $4.9 billion (Figure 1)."

    "Border security depends on the smart and efficient use of available resources. At the same, border enforcement
    cannot and should not be done in isolation. Instead, it must be examined in the larger context of reforms needed
    for the entire immigration system"

    https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/the_cost_of_immigration_enforcement_and_border_security.pdf

    "Immigration reform"? Oh yeah, that's been on the table for longer than we have been alive. But, it never seems to get done. My favorite was when Saint Ronnie fixed it by giving millions of people amnesty. That was supposed to take care of the
    problem forever. LOL

    TB


    Once the orange goon decides who's gonna be Speaker for the goonites all
    will be copacetic.

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to kmiller on Wed Oct 25 20:37:03 2023
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/23/2023 7:53 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
    3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is
    secure" - to support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call >>>>>>>> it comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there
    were problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody
    else, and then take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration



    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House
    repubes. I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

    Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?


    Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.

    You should have been a politician.

    October average:
    137 DL
    15 UL
    32 Latency


    That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely,
    tremendously, everybody said so even the experts, heavy rainfall
    takes my dishy offline 'til it passes.

    In my experience, local rain itself - no matter how heavy - doesn't
    matter much.

    That's what I used to say.

    Why don't you still say it?

    I allege that for weather to shut me down, t-storms or dense rain
    clouds have to cover a wide expanse of sky. All we need is one sat
    to have a connection, and these days, I allegedly have 8-12 sats up
    there all over the sky most of the time. Also, all the additional
    sats up there now have made my evil pine trees inefficacious as
    obstructionists.
    I further allege that this supports my previous allegations:
    https://starlink.sx/


    I think your alleged allegories got ate by alligators.

    When I had Hughesnet (GEO sat), t-storms overhead made no difference
    as long as the storms were not to the south. Same is true of my sat
    TV. Do you have a history of believing whatever alligators say? Don't
    you know that alligators are inveterate vertebrate liars? Do you have
    any affidavits to support your position from any alligators that are
    not involved in a plea deal?

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From kmiller@21:1/5 to bfh on Wed Oct 25 18:39:16 2023
    On 10/25/2023 5:37 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/23/2023 7:53 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
    2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals. >>>>>>>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" >>>>>>>>> - to support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
    5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call >>>>>>>>> it comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were >>>>>>>>> problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and >>>>>>>>> then take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration


    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House
    repubes. I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

    Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?


    Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.

    You should have been a politician.

    October average:
    137 DL
    15 UL
    32 Latency


    That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely,
    tremendously, everybody said so even the experts, heavy rainfall
    takes my dishy offline 'til it passes.

    In my experience, local rain itself - no matter how heavy - doesn't
    matter much.

    That's what I used to say.

    Why don't you still say it?

    I allege that for weather to shut me down, t-storms or dense rain
    clouds have to cover a wide expanse of sky. All we need is one sat to
    have a connection, and these days, I allegedly have 8-12 sats up
    there all over the sky most of the time. Also, all the additional
    sats up there now have made my evil pine trees inefficacious as
    obstructionists.
    I further allege that this supports my previous allegations:
    https://starlink.sx/


    I think your alleged allegories got ate by alligators.

    When I had Hughesnet (GEO sat), t-storms overhead made no difference as
    long as the storms were not to the south.

    Oh, suuure! Now the qualifiers come out of hiding. My sat points WNW.
    And all is good until it rains hard enough to drown your 'gators.

    Same is true of my sat TV. Do
    you have a history of believing whatever alligators say? Don't you know
    that alligators are inveterate vertebrate liars? Do you have any
    affidavits to support your position from any alligators that are not
    involved in a plea deal?


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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to kmiller on Wed Oct 25 22:55:28 2023
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/25/2023 5:37 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/23/2023 7:53 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked. >>>>>>>>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals. >>>>>>>>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is
    secure" - to support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment. >>>>>>>>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and
    call it comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there >>>>>>>>>> were problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody >>>>>>>>>> else, and then take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration



    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House
    repubes. I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

    Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?


    Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.

    You should have been a politician.

    October average:
    137 DL
    15 UL
    32 Latency


    That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely,
    tremendously, everybody said so even the experts, heavy rainfall
    takes my dishy offline 'til it passes.

    In my experience, local rain itself - no matter how heavy -
    doesn't matter much.

    That's what I used to say.

    Why don't you still say it?

    I allege that for weather to shut me down, t-storms or dense rain
    clouds have to cover a wide expanse of sky. All we need is one sat
    to have a connection, and these days, I allegedly have 8-12 sats
    up there all over the sky most of the time. Also, all the
    additional sats up there now have made my evil pine trees
    inefficacious as obstructionists.
    I further allege that this supports my previous allegations:
    https://starlink.sx/


    I think your alleged allegories got ate by alligators.

    When I had Hughesnet (GEO sat), t-storms overhead made no difference
    as long as the storms were not to the south.

    Oh, suuure! Now the qualifiers come out of hiding. My sat points WNW.

    Are you sure? My dishy points NNE. Was it an alligator that told you
    which way it was pointing?

    And all is good until it rains hard enough to drown your 'gators.

    Same is true of my sat TV. Do you have a history of believing
    whatever alligators say? Don't you know that alligators are
    inveterate vertebrate liars? Do you have any affidavits to support
    your position from any alligators that are not involved in a plea deal?




    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From kmiller@21:1/5 to bfh on Thu Oct 26 07:06:00 2023
    On 10/25/2023 7:55 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/25/2023 5:37 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/23/2023 7:53 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked. >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals. >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is
    secure" - to support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment. >>>>>>>>>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and >>>>>>>>>>> call it comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there >>>>>>>>>>> were problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody >>>>>>>>>>> else, and then take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration


    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House
    repubes. I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw! >>>>>>>>>
    Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?


    Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.

    You should have been a politician.

    October average:
    137 DL
    15 UL
    32 Latency


    That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely,
    tremendously, everybody said so even the experts, heavy rainfall
    takes my dishy offline 'til it passes.

    In my experience, local rain itself - no matter how heavy - doesn't
    matter much.

    That's what I used to say.

    Why don't you still say it?

    I allege that for weather to shut me down, t-storms or dense rain
    clouds have to cover a wide expanse of sky. All we need is one sat
    to have a connection, and these days, I allegedly have 8-12 sats up
    there all over the sky most of the time. Also, all the additional
    sats up there now have made my evil pine trees inefficacious as
    obstructionists.
    I further allege that this supports my previous allegations:
    https://starlink.sx/


    I think your alleged allegories got ate by alligators.

    When I had Hughesnet (GEO sat), t-storms overhead made no difference
    as long as the storms were not to the south.

    Oh, suuure! Now the qualifiers come out of hiding. My sat points WNW.

    Are you sure? My dishy points NNE. Was it an alligator that told you
    which way it was pointing?

    And all is good until it rains hard enough to drown your 'gators.

    Same is true of my sat TV. Do you have a history of believing
    whatever alligators say? Don't you know that alligators are
    inveterate vertebrate liars? Do you have any affidavits to support
    your position from any alligators that are not involved in a plea deal?





    Yes, I'm sure. Obviously, I'm using the satellites up before they can
    reach your area which explains your poor performance and misinformation.

    Our alligators have been taught that pointing is not nice. Therefore, to
    make a point, we have no pointing alligators.

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to kmiller on Thu Oct 26 12:19:25 2023
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/25/2023 7:55 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/25/2023 5:37 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/23/2023 7:53 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
    1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked. >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals. >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is >>>>>>>>>>>> secure" - to support the denial.
    4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment. >>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
    6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and >>>>>>>>>>>> call it comprehensive reform.
    7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there >>>>>>>>>>>> were problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody >>>>>>>>>>>> else, and then take credit for fixing them.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration



    All he really had to do was send the problem to the House >>>>>>>>>>> repubes. I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw! >>>>>>>>>>
    Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?


    Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.

    You should have been a politician.

    October average:
    137 DL
    15 UL
    32 Latency


    That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely,
    tremendously, everybody said so even the experts, heavy
    rainfall takes my dishy offline 'til it passes.

    In my experience, local rain itself - no matter how heavy -
    doesn't matter much.

    That's what I used to say.

    Why don't you still say it?

    I allege that for weather to shut me down, t-storms or dense
    rain clouds have to cover a wide expanse of sky. All we need is
    one sat to have a connection, and these days, I allegedly have
    8-12 sats up there all over the sky most of the time. Also, all
    the additional sats up there now have made my evil pine trees
    inefficacious as obstructionists.
    I further allege that this supports my previous allegations:
    https://starlink.sx/


    I think your alleged allegories got ate by alligators.

    When I had Hughesnet (GEO sat), t-storms overhead made no
    difference as long as the storms were not to the south.

    Oh, suuure! Now the qualifiers come out of hiding. My sat points WNW.

    Are you sure? My dishy points NNE. Was it an alligator that told you
    which way it was pointing?

    And all is good until it rains hard enough to drown your 'gators.

    Same is true of my sat TV. Do you have a history of believing
    whatever alligators say? Don't you know that alligators are
    inveterate vertebrate liars? Do you have any affidavits to support
    your position from any alligators that are not involved in a plea
    deal?





    Yes, I'm sure. Obviously, I'm using the satellites up before they can
    reach your area which explains your poor performance and misinformation.

    Our alligators have been taught that pointing is not nice. Therefore,
    to make a point, we have no pointing alligators.

    You have my condolences. If an alligator can't point, what good is it?
    I allege that you should consider implementing comprehensive reform in
    your alligator education system.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to bfh on Thu Oct 26 11:30:44 2023
    On 10/26/2023 11:19 AM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:

    Yes, I'm sure. Obviously, I'm using the satellites up before they can
    reach your area which explains your poor performance and misinformation.

    Ha!

    Our alligators have been taught that pointing is not nice. Therefore,
    to make a point, we have no pointing alligators.

    You have my condolences. If an alligator can't point, what good is it? I allege that you should consider implementing comprehensive reform in
    your alligator education system.

    Shouldn't that be re-education?

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to sticks on Thu Oct 26 13:45:40 2023
    sticks wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:19 AM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:

    Yes, I'm sure. Obviously, I'm using the satellites up before they
    can reach your area which explains your poor performance and
    misinformation.

    Ha!

    Our alligators have been taught that pointing is not nice.
    Therefore, to make a point, we have no pointing alligators.

    You have my condolences. If an alligator can't point, what good is
    it? I allege that you should consider implementing comprehensive
    reform in your alligator education system.

    Shouldn't that be re-education?

    I don't know. That would require that I make an unsupported assumption
    that they have an AES of any efficaciousness metric at this point in
    the passage of time. Besides, you can't re-educate alligators after
    they become teenagers. At that point they are what they are and will
    be going forward.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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