• Spaghetti Tracking

    From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 07:33:54 2023
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the insurrection so far. They have been sentenced to a total of around 600 years in prison as of August 25, according to a Vox analysis of Department of Justice data. That data doesn’t include
    Tarrio’s sentence, which came down Tuesday, or the sentences of those who will serve out their time at home or in intermittent confinement. More than 100 individuals have been sentenced to at least two years in prison; 27 to more than five years."

    "The federal indictment argues Trump and a group of allies that the document refers to as his “co-conspirators” knew that their claims that the 2020 election was stolen were false, but that they spread them anyway — and even launched a “criminal
    scheme” to support them. The indictment also accuses Trump of planning to stop the certification of the electoral vote, of actually stopping the vote on January 6, and of conspiring to disenfranchise Americans who voted in the election.

    They have reams of evidence to back up those charges, but the question is whether a jury will be convinced."

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/9/6/23862025/enrique-tarrio-january-6-insurrection-sentence-trump

    lol, While the retrumplicans are producing reams of evidence free spaghetti.

    TB

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Fri Sep 8 21:08:48 2023
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the insurrection so far. They have been sentenced to a total of around 600 years in prison as of August 25, according to a Vox analysis of Department of Justice data. That data doesn’t
    include Tarrio’s sentence, which came down Tuesday, or the sentences of those who will serve out their time at home or in intermittent confinement. More than 100 individuals have been sentenced to at least two years in prison; 27 to more than five
    years."

    "The federal indictment argues Trump and a group of allies that the document refers to as his “co-conspirators” knew that their claims that the 2020 election was stolen were false, but that they spread them anyway — and even launched
    a “criminal scheme” to support them. The indictment also accuses Trump of planning to stop the certification of the electoral vote, of actually stopping the vote on January 6, and of conspiring to disenfranchise Americans who voted in the
    election.

    They have reams of evidence to back up those charges, but the question is whether a jury will be convinced."

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/9/6/23862025/enrique-tarrio-january-6-insurrection-sentence-trump

    lol, While the retrumplicans are producing reams of evidence free spaghetti.

    Sorta like the Russia collusion evidence-free spaghetti?

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Fri Sep 8 21:16:34 2023
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the
    insurrection so far.

    None have been charged with "insurrection" so far, so how is it an "insurrection"?

    They have been sentenced to a total of around
    600 years in prison as of August 25, according to a Vox analysis of Department of Justice data. That data doesn’t include Tarrio’s sentence, which came down Tuesday, or the sentences of those who
    will serve out their time at home or in intermittent confinement.
    More than 100 individuals have been sentenced to at least two years
    in prison; 27 to more than five years."

    "The federal indictment argues Trump and a group of allies that the
    document refers to as his “co-conspirators” knew that their claims that the 2020 election was stolen were false, but that they
    spread them anyway — and even launched a “criminal scheme” to
    support them. The indictment also accuses Trump of planning to stop
    the certification of the electoral vote, of actually stopping the
    vote on January 6, and of conspiring to disenfranchise Americans
    who voted in the election.

    They have reams of evidence to back up those charges, but the
    question is whether a jury will be convinced."

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/9/6/23862025/enrique-tarrio-january-6-insurrection-sentence-trump

    lol, While the retrumplicans are producing reams of evidence free
    spaghetti.

    TB



    --
    bill
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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to bfh on Fri Sep 8 18:42:53 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:16:38 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the insurrection so far.
    None have been charged with "insurrection" so far, so how is it an "insurrection"?

    "Jury Convicts Four Leaders of the Proud Boys of Seditious Conspiracy Related to U.S. Capitol Breach"

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/jury-convicts-four-leaders-proud-boys-seditious-conspiracy-related-us-capitol-breach

    And that is just spaghetti that has been proven in court, with more to come. If you want to play word games you can do it with someone else. I'm sure you can find a chat-bot willing to discuss what words mean with you.

    TB

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to bfh on Fri Sep 8 18:36:09 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:08:53 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the insurrection so far. They have been sentenced to a total of around 600 years in prison as of August 25, according to a Vox analysis of Department of Justice data. That data doesn’t
    include Tarrio’s sentence, which came down Tuesday, or the sentences of those who will serve out their time at home or in intermittent confinement. More than 100 individuals have been sentenced to at least two years in prison; 27 to more than five
    years."

    "The federal indictment argues Trump and a group of allies that the document refers to as his “co-conspirators†knew that their claims that the 2020 election was stolen were false, but that they spread them anyway — and even launched
    a “criminal scheme†to support them. The indictment also accuses Trump of planning to stop the certification of the electoral vote, of actually stopping the vote on January 6, and of conspiring to disenfranchise Americans who voted in the
    election.

    They have reams of evidence to back up those charges, but the question is whether a jury will be convinced."

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/9/6/23862025/enrique-tarrio-january-6-insurrection-sentence-trump

    lol, While the retrumplicans are producing reams of evidence free spaghetti.
    Sorta like the Russia collusion evidence-free spaghetti?

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    You need industrial strength blinders to believe that.

    "Senate Russia report proves Trump collusion was very real. But do voters care? Trump and Biden's contrasting positions on Russian interference in American elections are clear. Whether voters care about these differences, however, is not as obvious.

    Aug. 22, 2020, 1:30 AM PDT
    By Michael McFaul
    The Senate Intelligence Committee should be applauded for releasing the fifth and final volume of its investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    With over 200 witness interviews and roughly 1 million documents reviewed, the nearly 1,000-page report documents in detail the comprehensive campaign conducted by Russian President Vladimir Putin and his proxies to seek influence within President Donald
    Trump's campaign, help Trump win the 2016 presidential election and amplify polarization and division within American society.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian operatives implementing the influence effort.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian operatives implementing the influence effort. For instance, the report exposes interactions and information exchanged between
    Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik and then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. According to the report, campaign figures “presented attractive targets for foreign influence, creating notable counterintelligence vulnerabilities.” (
    Manafort was later convicted of tax and bank fraud.)

    The bipartisan tone of the majority of the report, released by a committee chaired by Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, should be welcomed by all Americans who want our elected leaders to protect American sovereignty. National security should never be
    a partisan issue."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/senate-russia-report-proves-trump-was-wrong-mueller-was-right-ncna1237743

    I guess you have conveniently forgotten that the orange idiot invited Russian interference.

    TB

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Fri Sep 8 21:52:35 2023
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:16:38 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the
    insurrection so far.
    None have been charged with "insurrection" so far, so how is it
    an "insurrection"?

    "Jury Convicts Four Leaders of the Proud Boys of Seditious
    Conspiracy Related to U.S. Capitol Breach"

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/jury-convicts-four-leaders-proud-boys-seditious-conspiracy-related-us-capitol-breach

    And that is just spaghetti that has been proven in court, with
    more to come. If you want to play word games you can do it with
    someone else. I'm sure you can find a chat-bot willing to discuss
    what words mean with you.

    Word games? There is literally a difference between seditious
    conspiracy and insurrection in law. Look it up - but I don't recommend
    using an AI.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Fri Sep 8 21:46:44 2023
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:08:53 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the
    insurrection so far. They have been sentenced to a total of
    around 600 years in prison as of August 25, according to a Vox
    analysis of Department of Justice data. That data
    doesn’t include Tarrio’s sentence, which came
    down Tuesday, or the sentences of those who will serve out
    their time at home or in intermittent confinement. More than
    100 individuals have been sentenced to at least two years in
    prison; 27 to more than five years."

    "The federal indictment argues Trump and a group of allies that
    the document refers to as his “co-conspirators†knew
    that their claims that the 2020 election was stolen were false,
    but that they spread them anyway — and even launched a
    “criminal scheme†to support them. The indictment >>> also accuses Trump of planning to stop the certification of the
    electoral vote, of actually stopping the vote on January 6, and
    of conspiring to disenfranchise Americans who voted in the
    election.

    They have reams of evidence to back up those charges, but the
    question is whether a jury will be convinced."

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/9/6/23862025/enrique-tarrio-january-6-insurrection-sentence-trump



    lol, While the retrumplicans are producing reams of evidence free
    spaghetti.
    Sorta like the Russia collusion evidence-free spaghetti?

    -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    You need industrial strength blinders to believe that.

    "Senate Russia report proves Trump collusion was very real. But do
    voters care? Trump and Biden's contrasting positions on Russian
    interference in American elections are clear. Whether voters care
    about these differences, however, is not as obvious.

    Aug. 22, 2020, 1:30 AM PDT By Michael McFaul The Senate
    Intelligence Committee should be applauded for releasing the fifth
    and final volume of its investigation into Russian interference in
    the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    With over 200 witness interviews and roughly 1 million documents
    reviewed, the nearly 1,000-page report documents in detail the
    comprehensive campaign conducted by Russian President Vladimir
    Putin and his proxies to seek influence within President Donald
    Trump's campaign, help Trump win the 2016 presidential election and
    amplify polarization and division within American society.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report
    reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian
    operatives implementing the influence effort.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report
    reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian
    operatives implementing the influence effort. For instance, the
    report exposes interactions and information exchanged between
    Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik and then-Trump
    campaign chairman Paul Manafort. According to the report, campaign
    figures “presented attractive targets for foreign influence,
    creating notable counterintelligence vulnerabilities.” (Manafort
    was later convicted of tax and bank fraud.)

    The bipartisan tone of the majority of the report, released by a
    committee chaired by Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, should be
    welcomed by all Americans who want our elected leaders to protect
    American sovereignty. National security should never be a partisan
    issue."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/senate-russia-report-proves-trump-was-wrong-mueller-was-right-ncna1237743

    I guess you have conveniently forgotten that the orange idiot
    invited Russian interference.

    Where's the proof that Trump colluded with Russia?


    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From kmiller@21:1/5 to bfh on Fri Sep 8 19:06:52 2023
    On 9/8/2023 6:16 PM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the
    insurrection so far.

    None have been charged with "insurrection" so far, so how is it an "insurrection"?


    https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/insurrection

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/enrique-tarrio-proud-boys-sentenced-jan-6-sedition-case-rcna103280

    HawHawHaw!


    They have been sentenced to a total of around
    600 years in prison as of August 25, according to a Vox analysis of
    Department of Justice data. That data doesn’t include Tarrio’s >> sentence, which came down Tuesday, or the sentences of those who
    will serve out their time at home or in intermittent confinement.
    More than 100 individuals have been sentenced to at least two years
    in prison; 27 to more than five years."

    "The federal indictment argues Trump and a group of allies that the
    document refers to as his “co-conspirators” knew that their
    claims that the 2020 election was stolen were false, but that they
    spread them anyway — and even launched a “criminal scheme” to
    support them. The indictment also accuses Trump of planning to stop
    the certification of the electoral vote, of actually stopping the
    vote on January 6, and of conspiring to disenfranchise Americans
    who voted in the election.

    They have reams of evidence to back up those charges, but the
    question is whether a jury will be convinced."

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/9/6/23862025/enrique-tarrio-january-6-insurrection-sentence-trump

     lol, While the retrumplicans are producing reams of evidence free
    spaghetti.

    TB




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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to kmiller on Sat Sep 9 01:10:56 2023
    kmiller wrote:
    On 9/8/2023 6:16 PM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the
    insurrection so far.

    None have been charged with "insurrection" so far, so how is it an
    "insurrection"?


    https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/insurrection

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/enrique-tarrio-proud-boys-sentenced-jan-6-sedition-case-rcna103280


    HawHawHaw!

    HawHawHaw is right - all that doesn't matter until you take out Trump.

    They have been sentenced to a total of around
    600 years in prison as of August 25, according to a Vox analysis of
    Department of Justice data. That data doesn’t include
    Tarrio’s
    sentence, which came down Tuesday, or the sentences of those who
    will serve out their time at home or in intermittent confinement.
    More than 100 individuals have been sentenced to at least two years
    in prison; 27 to more than five years."

    "The federal indictment argues Trump and a group of allies that the
    document refers to as his “co-conspirators” knew that
    their
    claims that the 2020 election was stolen were false, but that they
    spread them anyway — and even launched a “criminal
    scheme” to
    support them. The indictment also accuses Trump of planning to stop
    the certification of the electoral vote, of actually stopping the
    vote on January 6, and of conspiring to disenfranchise Americans
    who voted in the election.

    They have reams of evidence to back up those charges, but the
    question is whether a jury will be convinced."

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/9/6/23862025/enrique-tarrio-january-6-insurrection-sentence-trump


     lol, While the retrumplicans are producing reams of evidence free
    spaghetti.



    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to bfh on Sat Sep 9 07:53:32 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:46:48 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:08:53 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the
    insurrection so far. They have been sentenced to a total of
    around 600 years in prison as of August 25, according to a Vox
    analysis of Department of Justice data. That data
    doesn’t include Tarrio’s sentence, which came
    down Tuesday, or the sentences of those who will serve out
    their time at home or in intermittent confinement. More than
    100 individuals have been sentenced to at least two years in
    prison; 27 to more than five years."

    "The federal indictment argues Trump and a group of allies that
    the document refers to as his “co-conspirators†knew
    that their claims that the 2020 election was stolen were false,
    but that they spread them anyway  and even launched a >>> “criminal scheme†to support them. The indictment
    also accuses Trump of planning to stop the certification of the
    electoral vote, of actually stopping the vote on January 6, and
    of conspiring to disenfranchise Americans who voted in the
    election.

    They have reams of evidence to back up those charges, but the
    question is whether a jury will be convinced."

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/9/6/23862025/enrique-tarrio-january-6-insurrection-sentence-trump



    lol, While the retrumplicans are producing reams of evidence free
    spaghetti.
    Sorta like the Russia collusion evidence-free spaghetti?

    -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    You need industrial strength blinders to believe that.

    "Senate Russia report proves Trump collusion was very real. But do
    voters care? Trump and Biden's contrasting positions on Russian interference in American elections are clear. Whether voters care
    about these differences, however, is not as obvious.

    Aug. 22, 2020, 1:30 AM PDT By Michael McFaul The Senate
    Intelligence Committee should be applauded for releasing the fifth
    and final volume of its investigation into Russian interference in
    the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    With over 200 witness interviews and roughly 1 million documents
    reviewed, the nearly 1,000-page report documents in detail the comprehensive campaign conducted by Russian President Vladimir
    Putin and his proxies to seek influence within President Donald
    Trump's campaign, help Trump win the 2016 presidential election and amplify polarization and division within American society.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report
    reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian
    operatives implementing the influence effort.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report
    reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian
    operatives implementing the influence effort. For instance, the
    report exposes interactions and information exchanged between
    Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik and then-Trump
    campaign chairman Paul Manafort. According to the report, campaign
    figures “presented attractive targets for foreign influence, creating notable counterintelligence vulnerabilities.†(Manafort
    was later convicted of tax and bank fraud.)

    The bipartisan tone of the majority of the report, released by a
    committee chaired by Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, should be welcomed by all Americans who want our elected leaders to protect
    American sovereignty. National security should never be a partisan
    issue."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/senate-russia-report-proves-trump-was-wrong-mueller-was-right-ncna1237743

    I guess you have conveniently forgotten that the orange idiot
    invited Russian interference.
    Where's the proof that Trump colluded with Russia?
    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    Freakin' laughing out loud. As I expected you moved the goal posts. You said there was no evidence. There is just a ton of evidence, so now you want me to prove collusion. For me this sort of thing is the best evidence, but I'm no attorney and I'
    m not going to try to adjudicate #45's many crimes here.

    "Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton’s email"

    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relationship-226282

    #45's collusion is NOT evidence free.

    TB

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Sat Sep 9 12:19:15 2023
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:46:48 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:08:53 PM UTC-7, bfh
    wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to
    the insurrection so far. They have been sentenced to a
    total of around 600 years in prison as of August 25,
    according to a Vox analysis of Department of Justice data.
    That data doesn’t include
    Tarrio’s sentence, which came down >>>>> Tuesday, or the sentences of those who will serve out their
    time at home or in intermittent confinement. More than 100
    individuals have been sentenced to at least two years in
    prison; 27 to more than five years."

    "The federal indictment argues Trump and a group of allies
    that the document refers to as his
    “co-conspirators†knew that their
    claims that the 2020 election was stolen were false, but
    that they spread them anyway  and even >>>>> launched a “criminal scheme†to
    support them. The indictment also accuses Trump of planning
    to stop the certification of the electoral vote, of
    actually stopping the vote on January 6, and of conspiring
    to disenfranchise Americans who voted in the election.

    They have reams of evidence to back up those charges, but
    the question is whether a jury will be convinced."

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/9/6/23862025/enrique-tarrio-january-6-insurrection-sentence-trump





    lol, While the retrumplicans are producing reams of evidence free
    spaghetti.
    Sorta like the Russia collusion evidence-free spaghetti?

    -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    You need industrial strength blinders to believe that.

    "Senate Russia report proves Trump collusion was very real. But
    do voters care? Trump and Biden's contrasting positions on
    Russian interference in American elections are clear. Whether
    voters care about these differences, however, is not as
    obvious.

    Aug. 22, 2020, 1:30 AM PDT By Michael McFaul The Senate
    Intelligence Committee should be applauded for releasing the
    fifth and final volume of its investigation into Russian
    interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    With over 200 witness interviews and roughly 1 million
    documents reviewed, the nearly 1,000-page report documents in
    detail the comprehensive campaign conducted by Russian
    President Vladimir Putin and his proxies to seek influence
    within President Donald Trump's campaign, help Trump win the
    2016 presidential election and amplify polarization and
    division within American society.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report
    reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian
    operatives implementing the influence effort.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report
    reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian
    operatives implementing the influence effort. For instance,
    the report exposes interactions and information exchanged
    between Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik and
    then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. According to the
    report, campaign figures “presented attractive targets
    for foreign influence, creating notable counterintelligence
    vulnerabilities.†(Manafort was later convicted of tax and
    bank fraud.)

    The bipartisan tone of the majority of the report, released by
    a committee chaired by Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio,
    should be welcomed by all Americans who want our elected
    leaders to protect American sovereignty. National security
    should never be a partisan issue."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/senate-russia-report-proves-trump-was-wrong-mueller-was-right-ncna1237743



    I guess you have conveniently forgotten that the orange idiot
    invited Russian interference.
    Where's the proof that Trump colluded with Russia? -- bill Theory
    don't mean squat if it don't work.

    Freakin' laughing out loud. As I expected you moved the goal posts.
    You said there was no evidence. There is just a ton of evidence, so
    now you want me to prove collusion. For me this sort of thing is
    the best evidence, but I'm no attorney and I'm not going to try to
    adjudicate #45's many crimes here.

    Coulda fooled me, but I'm glad to hear you say it.

    "Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton’s email"

    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relationship-226282

    #45's collusion is NOT evidence free.

    damn. With all that evidence, you'd think they would've locked him up
    7 years ago for threatening democracy.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to bfh on Sat Sep 9 17:17:18 2023
    On 9/9/2023 11:19 AM, bfh wrote:

    Where's the proof that Trump colluded with Russia? -- bill Theory
    don't mean squat if it don't work.

    Freakin' laughing out loud. As I expected you moved the goal posts.
    You said there was no evidence. There is just a ton of evidence, so
    now you want me to prove collusion. For me this sort of thing is
    the best evidence, but I'm no attorney and I'm not going to try to
    adjudicate #45's many crimes here.

    Coulda fooled me, but I'm glad to hear you say it.

    "Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton’s email"

    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relationship-226282

     #45's collusion is NOT evidence free.

    damn. With all that evidence, you'd think they would've locked him up 7
    years ago for threatening democracy.

    TechnoBoob is a damn joke. Everybody who has a shred of honesty knows
    that was a joke, and actually funny at the time. Of course the
    democrats and their sycophants use this to attack since it is exactly
    what THEY were doing at the time. They were the ones who bought and
    paid for Russia's help with their Russia Russia Russia hoax and the
    dossier the FBI immediately knew was bullshit, but used to drag the
    country through hell for years anyways. This just confirms the Boob's a
    liar.

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  • From kmiller@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Sat Sep 9 18:59:30 2023
    On 9/9/2023 7:53 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:46:48 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:08:53 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the
    insurrection so far. They have been sentenced to a total of
    around 600 years in prison as of August 25, according to a Vox
    analysis of Department of Justice data. That data
    doesn’t include Tarrio’s sentence, which came
    down Tuesday, or the sentences of those who will serve out
    their time at home or in intermittent confinement. More than
    100 individuals have been sentenced to at least two years in
    prison; 27 to more than five years."

    "The federal indictment argues Trump and a group of allies that
    the document refers to as his “co-conspirators†knew
    that their claims that the 2020 election was stolen were false,
    but that they spread them anyway  and even launched a >>>>> “criminal scheme†to support them. The indictment
    also accuses Trump of planning to stop the certification of the
    electoral vote, of actually stopping the vote on January 6, and
    of conspiring to disenfranchise Americans who voted in the
    election.

    They have reams of evidence to back up those charges, but the
    question is whether a jury will be convinced."

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/9/6/23862025/enrique-tarrio-january-6-insurrection-sentence-trump



    lol, While the retrumplicans are producing reams of evidence free
    spaghetti.
    Sorta like the Russia collusion evidence-free spaghetti?

    -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    You need industrial strength blinders to believe that.

    "Senate Russia report proves Trump collusion was very real. But do
    voters care? Trump and Biden's contrasting positions on Russian
    interference in American elections are clear. Whether voters care
    about these differences, however, is not as obvious.

    Aug. 22, 2020, 1:30 AM PDT By Michael McFaul The Senate
    Intelligence Committee should be applauded for releasing the fifth
    and final volume of its investigation into Russian interference in
    the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    With over 200 witness interviews and roughly 1 million documents
    reviewed, the nearly 1,000-page report documents in detail the
    comprehensive campaign conducted by Russian President Vladimir
    Putin and his proxies to seek influence within President Donald
    Trump's campaign, help Trump win the 2016 presidential election and
    amplify polarization and division within American society.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report
    reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian
    operatives implementing the influence effort.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report
    reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian
    operatives implementing the influence effort. For instance, the
    report exposes interactions and information exchanged between
    Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik and then-Trump
    campaign chairman Paul Manafort. According to the report, campaign
    figures “presented attractive targets for foreign influence,
    creating notable counterintelligence vulnerabilities.†(Manafort
    was later convicted of tax and bank fraud.)

    The bipartisan tone of the majority of the report, released by a
    committee chaired by Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, should be
    welcomed by all Americans who want our elected leaders to protect
    American sovereignty. National security should never be a partisan
    issue."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/senate-russia-report-proves-trump-was-wrong-mueller-was-right-ncna1237743

    I guess you have conveniently forgotten that the orange idiot
    invited Russian interference.
    Where's the proof that Trump colluded with Russia?
    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    Freakin' laughing out loud. As I expected you moved the goal posts. You said there was no evidence. There is just a ton of evidence, so now you want me to prove collusion. For me this sort of thing is the best evidence, but I'm no attorney and
    I'm not going to try to adjudicate #45's many crimes here.

    "Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton’s email"

    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relationship-226282

    #45's collusion is NOT evidence free.

    TB

    and, even if they'd charged him and convicted him, the orange goon
    lovers would deny it happened. Or choose to ignore it - like they do for
    his being found liable for sexual abuse. Or label it spaghetti.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From kmiller@21:1/5 to bfh on Sat Sep 9 19:00:30 2023
    On 9/8/2023 10:10 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 9/8/2023 6:16 PM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the
    insurrection so far.

    None have been charged with "insurrection" so far, so how is it an
    "insurrection"?


    https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/insurrection

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/enrique-tarrio-proud-boys-sentenced-jan-6-sedition-case-rcna103280

    HawHawHaw!

    HawHawHaw is right - all that doesn't matter until you take out Trump.


    Even then you'd ignore it happened.


    They have been sentenced to a total of around
    600 years in prison as of August 25, according to a Vox analysis of
    Department of Justice data. That data doesn’t include >>>> Tarrio’s
    sentence, which came down Tuesday, or the sentences of those who
    will serve out their time at home or in intermittent confinement.
    More than 100 individuals have been sentenced to at least two years
    in prison; 27 to more than five years."

    "The federal indictment argues Trump and a group of allies that the
    document refers to as his “co-conspirators” knew that their
    claims that the 2020 election was stolen were false, but that they
    spread them anyway — and even launched a “criminal
    scheme” to
    support them. The indictment also accuses Trump of planning to stop
    the certification of the electoral vote, of actually stopping the
    vote on January 6, and of conspiring to disenfranchise Americans
    who voted in the election.

    They have reams of evidence to back up those charges, but the
    question is whether a jury will be convinced."

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/9/6/23862025/enrique-tarrio-january-6-insurrection-sentence-trump

     lol, While the retrumplicans are producing reams of evidence free
    spaghetti.




    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bfh@21:1/5 to kmiller on Sat Sep 9 22:05:11 2023
    kmiller wrote:
    On 9/9/2023 7:53 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:46:48 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:08:53 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote: >>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the
    insurrection so far. They have been sentenced to a total of
    around 600 years in prison as of August 25, according to a Vox
    analysis of Department of Justice data. That data
    doesn’t include Tarrio’s
    sentence, which came
    down Tuesday, or the sentences of those who will serve out
    their time at home or in intermittent confinement. More than
    100 individuals have been sentenced to at least two years in
    prison; 27 to more than five years."

    "The federal indictment argues Trump and a group of allies that
    the document refers to as his
    “co-conspirators†knew
    that their claims that the 2020 election was stolen were false,
    but that they spread them anyway  and even
    launched a
    “criminal scheme†to support them. The
    indictment
    also accuses Trump of planning to stop the certification of the
    electoral vote, of actually stopping the vote on January 6, and
    of conspiring to disenfranchise Americans who voted in the
    election.

    They have reams of evidence to back up those charges, but the
    question is whether a jury will be convinced."

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/9/6/23862025/enrique-tarrio-january-6-insurrection-sentence-trump




    lol, While the retrumplicans are producing reams of evidence free
    spaghetti.
    Sorta like the Russia collusion evidence-free spaghetti?

    -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    You need industrial strength blinders to believe that.

    "Senate Russia report proves Trump collusion was very real. But do
    voters care? Trump and Biden's contrasting positions on Russian
    interference in American elections are clear. Whether voters care
    about these differences, however, is not as obvious.

    Aug. 22, 2020, 1:30 AM PDT By Michael McFaul The Senate
    Intelligence Committee should be applauded for releasing the fifth
    and final volume of its investigation into Russian interference in
    the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    With over 200 witness interviews and roughly 1 million documents
    reviewed, the nearly 1,000-page report documents in detail the
    comprehensive campaign conducted by Russian President Vladimir
    Putin and his proxies to seek influence within President Donald
    Trump's campaign, help Trump win the 2016 presidential election and
    amplify polarization and division within American society.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report
    reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian
    operatives implementing the influence effort.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report
    reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian
    operatives implementing the influence effort. For instance, the
    report exposes interactions and information exchanged between
    Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik and then-Trump
    campaign chairman Paul Manafort. According to the report, campaign
    figures “presented attractive targets for foreign influence,
    creating notable counterintelligence vulnerabilities.†(Manafort >>>> was later convicted of tax and bank fraud.)

    The bipartisan tone of the majority of the report, released by a
    committee chaired by Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, should be
    welcomed by all Americans who want our elected leaders to protect
    American sovereignty. National security should never be a partisan
    issue."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/senate-russia-report-proves-trump-was-wrong-mueller-was-right-ncna1237743


    I guess you have conveniently forgotten that the orange idiot
    invited Russian interference.
    Where's the proof that Trump colluded with Russia?
    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

             Freakin' laughing out loud. As I expected you moved the
    goal posts. You said there was no evidence. There is just a ton of
    evidence, so now you want me to prove collusion. For me this sort of
    thing is the best evidence, but I'm no attorney and I'm not going to
    try to adjudicate #45's many crimes here.

    "Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton’s email"

    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relationship-226282 >>

            #45's collusion is NOT evidence free.

    TB

    and, even if they'd charged him and convicted him, the orange goon
    lovers would deny it happened. Or choose to ignore it - like they do
    for his being found liable for sexual abuse. Or label it spaghetti.

    It's uniquely possible that all of that would happen.

    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bfh@21:1/5 to kmiller on Sat Sep 9 22:14:03 2023
    kmiller wrote:
    On 9/8/2023 10:10 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 9/8/2023 6:16 PM, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the
    insurrection so far.

    None have been charged with "insurrection" so far, so how is it an
    "insurrection"?


    https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/insurrection

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/enrique-tarrio-proud-boys-sentenced-jan-6-sedition-case-rcna103280


    HawHawHaw!

    HawHawHaw is right - all that doesn't matter until you take out Trump.


    Even then you'd ignore it happened.

    Well, at the end of the day going forward, that's just a literally
    dumb allegation that you've put on the table. If he gets taken out,
    it's not even uniquely possible that I could ignore the evidence of
    his absence in the passage of time.

    They have been sentenced to a total of around
    600 years in prison as of August 25, according to a Vox analysis of
    Department of Justice data. That data doesn’t
    include Tarrio’s
    sentence, which came down Tuesday, or the sentences of those who
    will serve out their time at home or in intermittent confinement.
    More than 100 individuals have been sentenced to at least two years
    in prison; 27 to more than five years."

    "The federal indictment argues Trump and a group of allies that the
    document refers to as his
    “co-conspirators” knew that their
    claims that the 2020 election was stolen were false, but that they
    spread them anyway — and even launched a
    “criminal scheme” to
    support them. The indictment also accuses Trump of planning to stop
    the certification of the electoral vote, of actually stopping the
    vote on January 6, and of conspiring to disenfranchise Americans
    who voted in the election.

    They have reams of evidence to back up those charges, but the
    question is whether a jury will be convinced."

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/9/6/23862025/enrique-tarrio-january-6-insurrection-sentence-trump


     lol, While the retrumplicans are producing reams of evidence >>>>> free
    spaghetti.






    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From kmiller@21:1/5 to bfh on Sun Sep 10 05:56:58 2023
    On 9/9/2023 7:05 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 9/9/2023 7:53 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:46:48 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:08:53 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the
    insurrection so far. They have been sentenced to a total of
    around 600 years in prison as of August 25, according to a Vox
    analysis of Department of Justice data. That data
    doesn’t include Tarrio’s
    sentence, which came
    down Tuesday, or the sentences of those who will serve out
    their time at home or in intermittent confinement. More than
    100 individuals have been sentenced to at least two years in
    prison; 27 to more than five years."

    "The federal indictment argues Trump and a group of allies that
    the document refers to as his
    “co-conspirators†knew
    that their claims that the 2020 election was stolen were false,
    but that they spread them anyway  and even
    launched a
    “criminal scheme†to support them. The
    indictment
    also accuses Trump of planning to stop the certification of the
    electoral vote, of actually stopping the vote on January 6, and
    of conspiring to disenfranchise Americans who voted in the
    election.

    They have reams of evidence to back up those charges, but the
    question is whether a jury will be convinced."

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/9/6/23862025/enrique-tarrio-january-6-insurrection-sentence-trump



    lol, While the retrumplicans are producing reams of evidence free
    spaghetti.
    Sorta like the Russia collusion evidence-free spaghetti?

    -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    You need industrial strength blinders to believe that.

    "Senate Russia report proves Trump collusion was very real. But do
    voters care? Trump and Biden's contrasting positions on Russian
    interference in American elections are clear. Whether voters care
    about these differences, however, is not as obvious.

    Aug. 22, 2020, 1:30 AM PDT By Michael McFaul The Senate
    Intelligence Committee should be applauded for releasing the fifth
    and final volume of its investigation into Russian interference in
    the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    With over 200 witness interviews and roughly 1 million documents
    reviewed, the nearly 1,000-page report documents in detail the
    comprehensive campaign conducted by Russian President Vladimir
    Putin and his proxies to seek influence within President Donald
    Trump's campaign, help Trump win the 2016 presidential election and
    amplify polarization and division within American society.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report
    reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian
    operatives implementing the influence effort.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report
    reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian
    operatives implementing the influence effort. For instance, the
    report exposes interactions and information exchanged between
    Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik and then-Trump
    campaign chairman Paul Manafort. According to the report, campaign
    figures “presented attractive targets for foreign influence,
    creating notable counterintelligence vulnerabilities.†(Manafort
    was later convicted of tax and bank fraud.)

    The bipartisan tone of the majority of the report, released by a
    committee chaired by Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, should be
    welcomed by all Americans who want our elected leaders to protect
    American sovereignty. National security should never be a partisan
    issue."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/senate-russia-report-proves-trump-was-wrong-mueller-was-right-ncna1237743

    I guess you have conveniently forgotten that the orange idiot
    invited Russian interference.
    Where's the proof that Trump colluded with Russia?
    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

             Freakin' laughing out loud. As I expected you moved the goal
    posts. You said there was no evidence. There is just a ton of
    evidence, so now you want me to prove collusion. For me this sort of
    thing is the best evidence, but I'm no attorney and I'm not going to
    try to adjudicate #45's many crimes here.

    "Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton’s email"

    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relationship-226282 >>>
            #45's collusion is NOT evidence free.

    TB

    and, even if they'd charged him and convicted him, the orange goon
    lovers would deny it happened. Or choose to ignore it - like they do
    for his being found liable for sexual abuse. Or label it spaghetti.

    It's uniquely possible that all of that would happen.

    Not even unique - it's what retrumplicans are best at - ignoring truths.
    Well, of course, there's also removing freedoms. Oh, and lying.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to kmiller on Sun Sep 10 13:06:27 2023
    kmiller <i09172@removethisspamblockerstuff-yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/9/2023 7:05 PM, bfh wrote:
    kmiller wrote:
    On 9/9/2023 7:53 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:46:48 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 6:08:53 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    "More than 1,100 people have been charged in connection to the >>>>>>>> insurrection so far. They have been sentenced to a total of
    around 600 years in prison as of August 25, according to a Vox >>>>>>>> analysis of Department of Justice data. That data
    doesn’t include Tarrio’s
    sentence, which came
    down Tuesday, or the sentences of those who will serve out
    their time at home or in intermittent confinement. More than
    100 individuals have been sentenced to at least two years in
    prison; 27 to more than five years."

    "The federal indictment argues Trump and a group of allies that >>>>>>>> the document refers to as his
    “co-conspirators†knew
    that their claims that the 2020 election was stolen were false, >>>>>>>> but that they spread them anyway  and even
    launched a
    “criminal scheme†to support them. The
    indictment
    also accuses Trump of planning to stop the certification of the >>>>>>>> electoral vote, of actually stopping the vote on January 6, and >>>>>>>> of conspiring to disenfranchise Americans who voted in the
    election.

    They have reams of evidence to back up those charges, but the
    question is whether a jury will be convinced."

    https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/9/6/23862025/enrique-tarrio-january-6-insurrection-sentence-trump



    lol, While the retrumplicans are producing reams of evidence free
    spaghetti.
    Sorta like the Russia collusion evidence-free spaghetti?

    -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

    You need industrial strength blinders to believe that.

    "Senate Russia report proves Trump collusion was very real. But do >>>>>> voters care? Trump and Biden's contrasting positions on Russian
    interference in American elections are clear. Whether voters care
    about these differences, however, is not as obvious.

    Aug. 22, 2020, 1:30 AM PDT By Michael McFaul The Senate
    Intelligence Committee should be applauded for releasing the fifth >>>>>> and final volume of its investigation into Russian interference in >>>>>> the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    With over 200 witness interviews and roughly 1 million documents
    reviewed, the nearly 1,000-page report documents in detail the
    comprehensive campaign conducted by Russian President Vladimir
    Putin and his proxies to seek influence within President Donald
    Trump's campaign, help Trump win the 2016 presidential election and >>>>>> amplify polarization and division within American society.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report
    reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian
    operatives implementing the influence effort.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report
    reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian
    operatives implementing the influence effort. For instance, the
    report exposes interactions and information exchanged between
    Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik and then-Trump
    campaign chairman Paul Manafort. According to the report, campaign >>>>>> figures “presented attractive targets for foreign influence,
    creating notable counterintelligence vulnerabilities.†(Manafort
    was later convicted of tax and bank fraud.)

    The bipartisan tone of the majority of the report, released by a
    committee chaired by Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, should be >>>>>> welcomed by all Americans who want our elected leaders to protect
    American sovereignty. National security should never be a partisan >>>>>> issue."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/senate-russia-report-proves-trump-was-wrong-mueller-was-right-ncna1237743

    I guess you have conveniently forgotten that the orange idiot
    invited Russian interference.
    Where's the proof that Trump colluded with Russia?
    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

             Freakin' laughing out loud. As I expected you moved the goal
    posts. You said there was no evidence. There is just a ton of
    evidence, so now you want me to prove collusion. For me this sort of
    thing is the best evidence, but I'm no attorney and I'm not going to
    try to adjudicate #45's many crimes here.

    "Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton’s email"

    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relationship-226282 >>>>
            #45's collusion is NOT evidence free.

    TB

    and, even if they'd charged him and convicted him, the orange goon
    lovers would deny it happened. Or choose to ignore it - like they do
    for his being found liable for sexual abuse. Or label it spaghetti.

    It's uniquely possible that all of that would happen.

    Not even unique - it's what retrumplicans are best at - ignoring truths. Well, of course, there's also removing freedoms. Oh, and lying.


    Apparently your vision is so clouded you can’t see you are describing democrats perfectly.

    --
    Joe Biden calls himself the greatest job creator in history after rehiring
    the 9 million people he fired.

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