Just weeks before this launch was due to occur, Boeing announced on
June 1 that there were two serious issues with Starliner. One of these involved the "soft links" in the lines that connect the Starliner
capsule to its parachutes, and the second problem came with hundreds
of feet of P-213 glass cloth tape inside the spacecraft found to be flammable.
This brings the company's total write-down of losses on the Starliner
program to more than $1.1 billion. Partly because of this, Boeing's
Defense, Space, & Security division reported a loss of $527 million
during the second quarter of this year.
Because Starliner was funded by NASA through a fixed-price contract,
as part of the Commercial Crew program, Boeing is responsible for any
cost overruns and financial losses due to delays.
https://tinyurl.com/mr34pf6e
Just weeks before this launch was due to occur, Boeing announced on June
1 that there were two serious issues with Starliner. One of these
involved the "soft links" in the lines that connect the Starliner
capsule to its parachutes, and the second problem came with hundreds of
feet of P-213 glass cloth tape inside the spacecraft found to be flammable.
This brings the company's total write-down of losses on the Starliner
program to more than $1.1 billion. Partly because of this, Boeing's
Defense, Space, & Security division reported a loss of $527 million
during the second quarter of this year.
Because Starliner was funded by NASA through a fixed-price contract, as
part of the Commercial Crew program, Boeing is responsible for any cost overruns and financial losses due to delays.
https://tinyurl.com/mr34pf6e
Just weeks before this launch was due to occur, Boeing announced on June
1 that there were two serious issues with Starliner. One of these
involved the "soft links" in the lines that connect the Starliner
capsule to its parachutes, and the second problem came with hundreds of
feet of P-213 glass cloth tape inside the spacecraft found to be flammable.
This brings the company's total write-down of losses on the Starliner
program to more than $1.1 billion. Partly because of this, Boeing's
Defense, Space, & Security division reported a loss of $527 million
during the second quarter of this year.
Because Starliner was funded by NASA through a fixed-price contract, as
part of the Commercial Crew program, Boeing is responsible for any cost >overruns and financial losses due to delays.
https://tinyurl.com/mr34pf6e
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:06:18 -0700, Frank Howell
<fphowell@usermail.com> wrote:
Just weeks before this launch was due to occur, Boeing announced on June"Nine years ago, when NASA down-selected to Boeing and SpaceX to
1 that there were two serious issues with Starliner. One of these
involved the "soft links" in the lines that connect the Starliner
capsule to its parachutes, and the second problem came with hundreds of
feet of P-213 glass cloth tape inside the spacecraft found to be flammable. >>
This brings the company's total write-down of losses on the Starliner
program to more than $1.1 billion. Partly because of this, Boeing's
Defense, Space, & Security division reported a loss of $527 million
during the second quarter of this year.
Because Starliner was funded by NASA through a fixed-price contract, as
part of the Commercial Crew program, Boeing is responsible for any cost
overruns and financial losses due to delays.
https://tinyurl.com/mr34pf6e
provide crew transportation services to the space station, Boeing was considered the prohibitive favorite to deliver first for NASA.
However, SpaceX will launch its seventh operational mission and eighth overall crew mission for NASA next month."
Asked whether Starliner might be able to launch this year, Stich,
NASA's Commercial Crew program manager, did not offer a concrete
timetable. "We're not really ready to talk about a launch opportunity
yet," he said. "We're going to work the technical issues first, and
then we'll sit down with the Boeing team when the time is right and
pick a launch target."
Having a "Cost +" attitude where delays and cost overruns are a good
thing doesn't fly (excuse the pun) with a "Fixed Price Contract". I
suspect that the Starliner's Tech will be verging on obsolete by the
time it flies.
The wrapping tape not tested until the wiring bundles are wrapped and installed is definitely a "Cost +" attitude.
Go SpaceX!
On 7/27/2023 4:03 PM, jerry.osage@nospam.net wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:06:18 -0700, Frank Howell
<fphowell@usermail.com> wrote:
Just weeks before this launch was due to occur, Boeing announced on June >>> 1 that there were two serious issues with Starliner. One of these"Nine years ago, when NASA down-selected to Boeing and SpaceX to
involved the "soft links" in the lines that connect the Starliner
capsule to its parachutes, and the second problem came with hundreds of
feet of P-213 glass cloth tape inside the spacecraft found to be flammable. >>>
This brings the company's total write-down of losses on the Starliner
program to more than $1.1 billion. Partly because of this, Boeing's
Defense, Space, & Security division reported a loss of $527 million
during the second quarter of this year.
Because Starliner was funded by NASA through a fixed-price contract, as
part of the Commercial Crew program, Boeing is responsible for any cost
overruns and financial losses due to delays.
https://tinyurl.com/mr34pf6e
provide crew transportation services to the space station, Boeing was
considered the prohibitive favorite to deliver first for NASA.
However, SpaceX will launch its seventh operational mission and eighth
overall crew mission for NASA next month."
Asked whether Starliner might be able to launch this year, Stich,
NASA's Commercial Crew program manager, did not offer a concrete
timetable. "We're not really ready to talk about a launch opportunity
yet," he said. "We're going to work the technical issues first, and
then we'll sit down with the Boeing team when the time is right and
pick a launch target."
Having a "Cost +" attitude where delays and cost overruns are a good
thing doesn't fly (excuse the pun) with a "Fixed Price Contract". I
suspect that the Starliner's Tech will be verging on obsolete by the
time it flies.
The wrapping tape not tested until the wiring bundles are wrapped and
installed is definitely a "Cost +" attitude.
Go SpaceX!
The old culture at Boeing definitely cost them in this instance. I don't
know why they agreed to a fixed cost deal when cost + had been a winner
for them. Maybe they felt they had to bite the bullet to compete with
Space X for the business.
You can't just change a decades old culture overnight. It's like trying
to do a U-turn with an aircraft carrier in a pond. Probably can be done
but it would take a lot of maneuvering.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 21:42:18 -0500, "George.Anthony"
<ganthony@gmail.org> wrote:
On 7/27/2023 4:03 PM, jerry.osage@nospam.net wrote:OI suspect that they thought that SpaceX was going to fail and they
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:06:18 -0700, Frank Howell
<fphowell@usermail.com> wrote:
Just weeks before this launch was due to occur, Boeing announced on June >>>> 1 that there were two serious issues with Starliner. One of these"Nine years ago, when NASA down-selected to Boeing and SpaceX to
involved the "soft links" in the lines that connect the Starliner
capsule to its parachutes, and the second problem came with hundreds of >>>> feet of P-213 glass cloth tape inside the spacecraft found to be flammable.
This brings the company's total write-down of losses on the Starliner
program to more than $1.1 billion. Partly because of this, Boeing's
Defense, Space, & Security division reported a loss of $527 million
during the second quarter of this year.
Because Starliner was funded by NASA through a fixed-price contract, as >>>> part of the Commercial Crew program, Boeing is responsible for any cost >>>> overruns and financial losses due to delays.
https://tinyurl.com/mr34pf6e
provide crew transportation services to the space station, Boeing was
considered the prohibitive favorite to deliver first for NASA.
However, SpaceX will launch its seventh operational mission and eighth
overall crew mission for NASA next month."
Asked whether Starliner might be able to launch this year, Stich,
NASA's Commercial Crew program manager, did not offer a concrete
timetable. "We're not really ready to talk about a launch opportunity
yet," he said. "We're going to work the technical issues first, and
then we'll sit down with the Boeing team when the time is right and
pick a launch target."
Having a "Cost +" attitude where delays and cost overruns are a good
thing doesn't fly (excuse the pun) with a "Fixed Price Contract". I
suspect that the Starliner's Tech will be verging on obsolete by the
time it flies.
The wrapping tape not tested until the wiring bundles are wrapped and
installed is definitely a "Cost +" attitude.
Go SpaceX!
The old culture at Boeing definitely cost them in this instance. I don't
know why they agreed to a fixed cost deal when cost + had been a winner
for them. Maybe they felt they had to bite the bullet to compete with
Space X for the business.
You can't just change a decades old culture overnight. It's like trying
to do a U-turn with an aircraft carrier in a pond. Probably can be done
but it would take a lot of maneuvering.
would have a head start when a new player was brought in. And, with
SpaceX failing it would prove just what a difficult task it was going
to be - and Boeing could renegotiate their contract.
Big, old companies are management heavy and are slow from start to
finish.
Boeing was still deciding who was going to manage what.
On 7/27/2023 12:06 PM, Frank Howell wrote:What due to his Twitter prowess?
Just weeks before this launch was due to occur, Boeing announced on
June 1 that there were two serious issues with Starliner. One of these
involved the "soft links" in the lines that connect the Starliner
capsule to its parachutes, and the second problem came with hundreds
of feet of P-213 glass cloth tape inside the spacecraft found to be
flammable.
This brings the company's total write-down of losses on the Starliner
program to more than $1.1 billion. Partly because of this, Boeing's
Defense, Space, & Security division reported a loss of $527 million
during the second quarter of this year.
Because Starliner was funded by NASA through a fixed-price contract,
as part of the Commercial Crew program, Boeing is responsible for any
cost overruns and financial losses due to delays.
https://tinyurl.com/mr34pf6e
Maybe they should hire Elon as a consultant.
Frank Howell wrote:
Just weeks before this launch was due to occur, Boeing announced on
June 1 that there were two serious issues with Starliner. One of these
involved the "soft links" in the lines that connect the Starliner
capsule to its parachutes, and the second problem came with hundreds
of feet of P-213 glass cloth tape inside the spacecraft found to be
flammable.
This brings the company's total write-down of losses on the Starliner
program to more than $1.1 billion. Partly because of this, Boeing's
Defense, Space, & Security division reported a loss of $527 million
during the second quarter of this year.
Because Starliner was funded by NASA through a fixed-price contract,
as part of the Commercial Crew program, Boeing is responsible for any
cost overruns and financial losses due to delays.
https://tinyurl.com/mr34pf6e
So....look....at the end of the day going forward, does the calculus of
that indicate that Boeing will literally be.....like....self-held
accountable within a statistically significant passage of time?
George.Anthony wrote:
On 7/27/2023 12:06 PM, Frank Howell wrote:What due to his Twitter prowess?
Just weeks before this launch was due to occur, Boeing announced on
June 1 that there were two serious issues with Starliner. One of
these involved the "soft links" in the lines that connect the
Starliner capsule to its parachutes, and the second problem came
with hundreds of feet of P-213 glass cloth tape inside the
spacecraft found to be flammable.
This brings the company's total write-down of losses on the
Starliner program to more than $1.1 billion. Partly because of
this, Boeing's Defense, Space, & Security division reported a loss
of $527 million during the second quarter of this year.
Because Starliner was funded by NASA through a fixed-price
contract, as part of the Commercial Crew program, Boeing is
responsible for any cost overruns and financial losses due to delays.
https://tinyurl.com/mr34pf6e
Maybe they should hire Elon as a consultant.
George.Anthony wrote:
On 7/27/2023 12:06 PM, Frank Howell wrote:What due to his Twitter prowess?
Just weeks before this launch was due to occur, Boeing announced on
June 1 that there were two serious issues with Starliner. One of
these involved the "soft links" in the lines that connect the
Starliner capsule to its parachutes, and the second problem came with
hundreds of feet of P-213 glass cloth tape inside the spacecraft
found to be flammable.
This brings the company's total write-down of losses on the Starliner
program to more than $1.1 billion. Partly because of this, Boeing's
Defense, Space, & Security division reported a loss of $527 million
during the second quarter of this year.
Because Starliner was funded by NASA through a fixed-price contract,
as part of the Commercial Crew program, Boeing is responsible for any
cost overruns and financial losses due to delays.
https://tinyurl.com/mr34pf6e
Maybe they should hire Elon as a consultant.
George.Anthony wrote:
On 7/27/2023 12:06 PM, Frank Howell wrote:What due to his Twitter prowess?
Just weeks before this launch was due to occur, Boeing announced on
June 1 that there were two serious issues with Starliner. One of
these involved the "soft links" in the lines that connect the
Starliner capsule to its parachutes, and the second problem came
with hundreds of feet of P-213 glass cloth tape inside the
spacecraft found to be flammable.
This brings the company's total write-down of losses on the
Starliner program to more than $1.1 billion. Partly because of
this, Boeing's Defense, Space, & Security division reported a loss
of $527 million during the second quarter of this year.
Because Starliner was funded by NASA through a fixed-price
contract, as part of the Commercial Crew program, Boeing is
responsible for any cost overruns and financial losses due to delays.
https://tinyurl.com/mr34pf6e
Maybe they should hire Elon as a consultant.
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