• OT? - Affirmative Action is Insulting

    From George.Anthony@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 2 14:37:10 2023
    This kind of thinking is the real racism. It's saying we can't compete
    on a level playing field. We need help from "whitey". This is insulting
    to me and should be to all Americans of African descent.

    Furthermore, this will likely make college campuses even more diverse
    since it will allow more Asians, with their more conservative views,
    access to supposedly "racially diverse" colleges.

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charles-barkley-amends-will-donate-millions-auburn-following-supreme-courts-affirmative-action-ruling
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  • From robert caprel@21:1/5 to George.Anthony on Sun Jul 2 12:57:00 2023
    On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 12:37:15 PM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:
    This kind of thinking is the real racism. It's saying we can't compete
    on a level playing field. We need help from "whitey". This is insulting
    to me and should be to all Americans of African descent.

    Furthermore, this will likely make college campuses even more diverse
    since it will allow more Asians, with their more conservative views,
    access to supposedly "racially diverse" colleges.

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charles-barkley-amends-will-donate-millions-auburn-following-supreme-courts-affirmative-action-ruling

    Damn checked again if anybody gives a rats ass, nope nobody perhaps Stick in the mud will once the elevator reaches the top floor

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to George.Anthony on Sun Jul 2 16:25:51 2023
    On 7/2/2023 2:37 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    This kind of thinking is the real racism. It's saying we can't compete
    on a level playing field. We need help from "whitey". This is insulting
    to me and should be to all Americans of African descent.

    Furthermore, this will likely make college campuses even more diverse
    since it will allow more Asians, with their more conservative views,
    access to supposedly "racially diverse" colleges.

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charles-barkley-amends-will-donate-millions-auburn-following-supreme-courts-affirmative-action-ruling

    The unfortunate part of all this is the left continuing to misrepresent
    the actual case. For example, nowhere does Sir Barkley acknowledge that
    people of Asian descent WERE being discriminated against.
    His quote is even more silly, as he uses words that are obviously
    against the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause: "Let me be clear
    – affirmative action exists because we cannot rely on colleges,
    universities and employers to enact admissions and hiring practices that embrace diversity, equity and inclusion,". If he would have left out
    *equity*, he would stand a chance. But the left is not interested in
    equality, equity is the word they choose to use. America is not about
    equity from our government. That's illegal.

    FWIW, I have no problem at all with him creating a scholarship for
    Black-only students if that's what he wants. I am not positive, but I
    don't even think it's illegal. There are scholarships for certain nationalities, certain genders (generally women), etc., and as long as
    you're not the university I think you can give your money to whoever you
    want. Hopefully he's worked this out somehow if this is how he wants
    his money spent. Just giving it to the college general fund might not
    work out as he had wished, unfortunately.

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  • From George Anthony@21:1/5 to sticks on Sun Jul 2 19:11:51 2023
    On 7/2/2023 4:25 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 2:37 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    This kind of thinking is the real racism. It's saying we can't compete
    on a level playing field. We need help from "whitey". This is
    insulting to me and should be to all Americans of African descent.

    Furthermore, this will likely make college campuses even more diverse
    since it will allow more Asians, with their more conservative views,
    access to supposedly "racially diverse" colleges.

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charles-barkley-amends-will-donate-millions-auburn-following-supreme-courts-affirmative-action-ruling

    The unfortunate part of all this is the left continuing to misrepresent
    the actual case.  For example, nowhere does Sir Barkley acknowledge that people of Asian descent WERE being discriminated against.
    His quote is even more silly, as he uses words that are obviously
    against the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause:  "Let me be clear – affirmative action exists because we cannot rely on colleges, universities and employers to enact admissions and hiring practices that embrace diversity, equity and inclusion,".  If he would have left out *equity*, he would stand a chance.  But the left is not interested in equality, equity is the word they choose to use.  America is not about equity from our government.  That's illegal.

    FWIW, I have no problem at all with him creating a scholarship for
    Black-only students if that's what he wants.  I am not positive, but I
    don't even think it's illegal.  There are scholarships for certain nationalities, certain genders (generally women), etc., and as long as
    you're not the university I think you can give your money to whoever you want.  Hopefully he's worked this out somehow if this is how he wants
    his money spent.  Just giving it to the college general fund might not
    work out as he had wished, unfortunately.

    It's his money he can do whatever he wants with it. However, marking it
    for exclusive access by blacks is also racist.
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  • From George Anthony@21:1/5 to robert caprel on Sun Jul 2 19:13:21 2023
    On 7/2/2023 2:57 PM, robert caprel wrote:
    On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 12:37:15 PM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:
    This kind of thinking is the real racism. It's saying we can't compete
    on a level playing field. We need help from "whitey". This is insulting
    to me and should be to all Americans of African descent.

    Furthermore, this will likely make college campuses even more diverse
    since it will allow more Asians, with their more conservative views,
    access to supposedly "racially diverse" colleges.

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charles-barkley-amends-will-donate-millions-auburn-following-supreme-courts-affirmative-action-ruling

    Damn checked again if anybody gives a rats ass, nope nobody perhaps Stick in the mud will once the elevator reaches the top floor

    I floor which you never have or ever will see.
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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to George Anthony on Sun Jul 2 20:35:37 2023
    On 7/2/2023 7:11 PM, George Anthony wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 4:25 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 2:37 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    This kind of thinking is the real racism. It's saying we can't
    compete on a level playing field. We need help from "whitey". This is
    insulting to me and should be to all Americans of African descent.

    Furthermore, this will likely make college campuses even more diverse
    since it will allow more Asians, with their more conservative views,
    access to supposedly "racially diverse" colleges.

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charles-barkley-amends-will-donate-millions-auburn-following-supreme-courts-affirmative-action-ruling

    The unfortunate part of all this is the left continuing to
    misrepresent the actual case.  For example, nowhere does Sir Barkley
    acknowledge that people of Asian descent WERE being discriminated
    against.
    His quote is even more silly, as he uses words that are obviously
    against the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause:  "Let me be
    clear – affirmative action exists because we cannot rely on colleges,
    universities and employers to enact admissions and hiring practices
    that embrace diversity, equity and inclusion,".  If he would have left
    out *equity*, he would stand a chance.  But the left is not interested
    in equality, equity is the word they choose to use.  America is not
    about equity from our government.  That's illegal.

    FWIW, I have no problem at all with him creating a scholarship for
    Black-only students if that's what he wants.  I am not positive, but I
    don't even think it's illegal.  There are scholarships for certain
    nationalities, certain genders (generally women), etc., and as long as
    you're not the university I think you can give your money to whoever
    you want.  Hopefully he's worked this out somehow if this is how he
    wants his money spent.  Just giving it to the college general fund
    might not work out as he had wished, unfortunately.

    It's his money he can do whatever he wants with it. However, marking it
    for exclusive access by blacks is also racist.

    I would have to disagree with that assessment in a way. First, maybe
    some other time we can get into the ridiculousness of today's culture
    deeming everything "racist" in one way or another. True racism is
    something entirely different than what it is being presented as today.
    That said, if Sir Charles was to say he would never give any money to a
    white person because he damn well hates them, yes, that I think would be racist. For him to prefer to help a segment of society he is a part of, relates to, and considers worthy of his attention I don't think is
    racism. He still could do it either way, one is just more moral than
    the other.

    In the end, I don't care. The progressives will still find ways to discriminate against those they don't like, while using others money to
    help the ones they do. It's what they do.

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to sticks on Mon Jul 3 19:57:51 2023
    On 7/2/2023 8:35 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 7:11 PM, George Anthony wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 4:25 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 2:37 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    This kind of thinking is the real racism. It's saying we can't
    compete on a level playing field. We need help from "whitey". This
    is insulting to me and should be to all Americans of African descent.

    Furthermore, this will likely make college campuses even more
    diverse since it will allow more Asians, with their more
    conservative views, access to supposedly "racially diverse" colleges.

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charles-barkley-amends-will-donate-millions-auburn-following-supreme-courts-affirmative-action-ruling

    The unfortunate part of all this is the left continuing to
    misrepresent the actual case.  For example, nowhere does Sir Barkley
    acknowledge that people of Asian descent WERE being discriminated
    against.
    His quote is even more silly, as he uses words that are obviously
    against the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause:  "Let me be
    clear – affirmative action exists because we cannot rely on colleges,
    universities and employers to enact admissions and hiring practices
    that embrace diversity, equity and inclusion,".  If he would have
    left out *equity*, he would stand a chance.  But the left is not
    interested in equality, equity is the word they choose to use.
    America is not about equity from our government.  That's illegal.

    FWIW, I have no problem at all with him creating a scholarship for
    Black-only students if that's what he wants.  I am not positive, but
    I don't even think it's illegal.  There are scholarships for certain
    nationalities, certain genders (generally women), etc., and as long
    as you're not the university I think you can give your money to
    whoever you want.  Hopefully he's worked this out somehow if this is
    how he wants his money spent.  Just giving it to the college general
    fund might not work out as he had wished, unfortunately.

    It's his money he can do whatever he wants with it. However, marking
    it for exclusive access by blacks is also racist.

    I would have to disagree with that assessment in a way.  First, maybe
    some other time we can get into the ridiculousness of today's culture
    deeming everything "racist" in one way or another.  True racism is
    something entirely different than what it is being presented as today.
    That said, if Sir Charles was to say he would never give any money to a
    white person because he damn well hates them, yes, that I think would be racist.  For him to prefer to help a segment of society he is a part of, relates to, and considers worthy of his attention I don't think is
    racism.  He still could do it either way, one is just more moral than
    the other.

    In the end, I don't care.  The progressives will still find ways to discriminate against those they don't like, while using others money to
    help the ones they do.  It's what they do.

    Now this, on the other hand, is definitely racism.

    <https://therightscoop.com/oregon-groups-create-segregated-hiking-trails-for-black-people/>

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to sticks on Tue Jul 4 11:43:52 2023
    On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 5:57:54 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 8:35 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 7:11 PM, George Anthony wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 4:25 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 2:37 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    This kind of thinking is the real racism. It's saying we can't
    compete on a level playing field. We need help from "whitey". This
    is insulting to me and should be to all Americans of African descent. >>>>
    Furthermore, this will likely make college campuses even more
    diverse since it will allow more Asians, with their more
    conservative views, access to supposedly "racially diverse" colleges. >>>>
    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charles-barkley-amends-will-donate-millions-auburn-following-supreme-courts-affirmative-action-ruling

    The unfortunate part of all this is the left continuing to
    misrepresent the actual case. For example, nowhere does Sir Barkley
    acknowledge that people of Asian descent WERE being discriminated
    against.
    His quote is even more silly, as he uses words that are obviously
    against the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause: "Let me be
    clear – affirmative action exists because we cannot rely on colleges, >>> universities and employers to enact admissions and hiring practices
    that embrace diversity, equity and inclusion,". If he would have
    left out *equity*, he would stand a chance. But the left is not
    interested in equality, equity is the word they choose to use.
    America is not about equity from our government. That's illegal.

    FWIW, I have no problem at all with him creating a scholarship for
    Black-only students if that's what he wants. I am not positive, but
    I don't even think it's illegal. There are scholarships for certain
    nationalities, certain genders (generally women), etc., and as long
    as you're not the university I think you can give your money to
    whoever you want. Hopefully he's worked this out somehow if this is
    how he wants his money spent. Just giving it to the college general
    fund might not work out as he had wished, unfortunately.

    It's his money he can do whatever he wants with it. However, marking
    it for exclusive access by blacks is also racist.

    I would have to disagree with that assessment in a way. First, maybe
    some other time we can get into the ridiculousness of today's culture deeming everything "racist" in one way or another. True racism is something entirely different than what it is being presented as today. That said, if Sir Charles was to say he would never give any money to a white person because he damn well hates them, yes, that I think would be racist. For him to prefer to help a segment of society he is a part of, relates to, and considers worthy of his attention I don't think is
    racism. He still could do it either way, one is just more moral than
    the other.

    In the end, I don't care. The progressives will still find ways to discriminate against those they don't like, while using others money to help the ones they do. It's what they do.
    Now this, on the other hand, is definitely racism.

    <https://therightscoop.com/oregon-groups-create-segregated-hiking-trails-for-black-people/>

    LOL You live in an amazing fantasy world. Most of the land here is publicly owned. The hiking trails can't legally be segregated. The only thing segregated here is groups of people who are voluntarily segregating themselves, to a small extent.
    They will still be sharing the trails with everyone. Who knows, If you asked nicely they might let you join? I suggest you follow this story back to its original, less slanted, version.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/travel/2023/07/oregon-groups-create-a-path-for-people-of-color-to-feel-safe-on-wilderness-trails.html

    "Oregon groups create a path for people of color to feel safe on wilderness trails"

    I admit it. When you get out of the city, it gets very White out there, but not exclusively. Eastern Oregon gets very white outside of the cities. I assume that racism is likely to be a factor, but I also assume there are a number of other factors
    at work here. One of the more obvious reasons is that hanging out in the forest or in the middle of nowhere doesn't appeal to everyone one. For a family, even just car camping can represent a significant investment.

    OTOH the POC that we see out and about all seem to be enjoying themselves. Harassment doesn't appear to be common. You see a lot of Hispanic and Asian people on the coast. Black people are more common than they used to be. One of the more obvious
    changes in Oregon, over the years, is the wide diversity of ethnic food available almost everywhere. I can remember Newport when it had one Mexican restaurant, just outside of town, two Chinese restaurants and one pizza parlor, along with a ton of
    American style restaurants.

    TB




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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Tue Jul 4 18:48:34 2023
    On 7/4/2023 1:43 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 5:57:54 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 8:35 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 7:11 PM, George Anthony wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 4:25 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 2:37 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    This kind of thinking is the real racism. It's saying we can't
    compete on a level playing field. We need help from "whitey". This >>>>>> is insulting to me and should be to all Americans of African descent. >>>>>>
    Furthermore, this will likely make college campuses even more
    diverse since it will allow more Asians, with their more
    conservative views, access to supposedly "racially diverse" colleges. >>>>>>
    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charles-barkley-amends-will-donate-millions-auburn-following-supreme-courts-affirmative-action-ruling

    The unfortunate part of all this is the left continuing to
    misrepresent the actual case. For example, nowhere does Sir Barkley >>>>> acknowledge that people of Asian descent WERE being discriminated
    against.
    His quote is even more silly, as he uses words that are obviously
    against the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause: "Let me be
    clear – affirmative action exists because we cannot rely on colleges, >>>>> universities and employers to enact admissions and hiring practices
    that embrace diversity, equity and inclusion,". If he would have
    left out *equity*, he would stand a chance. But the left is not
    interested in equality, equity is the word they choose to use.
    America is not about equity from our government. That's illegal.

    FWIW, I have no problem at all with him creating a scholarship for
    Black-only students if that's what he wants. I am not positive, but >>>>> I don't even think it's illegal. There are scholarships for certain >>>>> nationalities, certain genders (generally women), etc., and as long
    as you're not the university I think you can give your money to
    whoever you want. Hopefully he's worked this out somehow if this is >>>>> how he wants his money spent. Just giving it to the college general >>>>> fund might not work out as he had wished, unfortunately.

    It's his money he can do whatever he wants with it. However, marking
    it for exclusive access by blacks is also racist.

    I would have to disagree with that assessment in a way. First, maybe
    some other time we can get into the ridiculousness of today's culture
    deeming everything "racist" in one way or another. True racism is
    something entirely different than what it is being presented as today.
    That said, if Sir Charles was to say he would never give any money to a
    white person because he damn well hates them, yes, that I think would be >>> racist. For him to prefer to help a segment of society he is a part of, >>> relates to, and considers worthy of his attention I don't think is
    racism. He still could do it either way, one is just more moral than
    the other.

    In the end, I don't care. The progressives will still find ways to
    discriminate against those they don't like, while using others money to
    help the ones they do. It's what they do.
    Now this, on the other hand, is definitely racism.

    <https://therightscoop.com/oregon-groups-create-segregated-hiking-trails-for-black-people/>

    LOL You live in an amazing fantasy world.

    HA! Coming from someone who thinks men can become women, I think you
    should look in the mirror occasionally.

    I currently live in the Midwest, but have hiked all over the US and up
    in Canada. I have never seen the type of thing your link suggest is
    happening. I am a big white man, and have never seen a person of color
    appear to be afraid of me in the least, or anyone else for that matter
    in any of the places we've gone outdoors. If you have this type of
    problem up in the Northwest, that is a shame. I definitely would have
    the backs of anyone this behavior is exhibited towards. But the OP
    makes a valid point that this is perpetuating the stereotyping of people
    of color being victim to white folks. I don't like that. In my world,
    it's not happening or true. I applaud if someone has the true intention
    of getting people outdoors and enjoying everything that brings. Just
    find a way to keep the race shit out of it. Publicizing it this way
    doesn't do that. It instead continues to divide us. That is a shame.

    I have two relatives working for Space X that are living in Duval, Wa.
    We will be making it out there soon, and I guess we'll see for ourselves.

    ---snip---

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  • From Technobarbarian@21:1/5 to sticks on Tue Jul 4 18:56:50 2023
    On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 4:48:39 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
    On 7/4/2023 1:43 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 5:57:54 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 8:35 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 7:11 PM, George Anthony wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 4:25 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 2:37 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    This kind of thinking is the real racism. It's saying we can't
    compete on a level playing field. We need help from "whitey". This >>>>>> is insulting to me and should be to all Americans of African descent. >>>>>>
    Furthermore, this will likely make college campuses even more
    diverse since it will allow more Asians, with their more
    conservative views, access to supposedly "racially diverse" colleges. >>>>>>
    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charles-barkley-amends-will-donate-millions-auburn-following-supreme-courts-affirmative-action-ruling

    The unfortunate part of all this is the left continuing to
    misrepresent the actual case. For example, nowhere does Sir Barkley >>>>> acknowledge that people of Asian descent WERE being discriminated >>>>> against.
    His quote is even more silly, as he uses words that are obviously >>>>> against the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause: "Let me be >>>>> clear – affirmative action exists because we cannot rely on colleges,
    universities and employers to enact admissions and hiring practices >>>>> that embrace diversity, equity and inclusion,". If he would have
    left out *equity*, he would stand a chance. But the left is not
    interested in equality, equity is the word they choose to use.
    America is not about equity from our government. That's illegal.

    FWIW, I have no problem at all with him creating a scholarship for >>>>> Black-only students if that's what he wants. I am not positive, but >>>>> I don't even think it's illegal. There are scholarships for certain >>>>> nationalities, certain genders (generally women), etc., and as long >>>>> as you're not the university I think you can give your money to
    whoever you want. Hopefully he's worked this out somehow if this is >>>>> how he wants his money spent. Just giving it to the college general >>>>> fund might not work out as he had wished, unfortunately.

    It's his money he can do whatever he wants with it. However, marking >>>> it for exclusive access by blacks is also racist.

    I would have to disagree with that assessment in a way. First, maybe
    some other time we can get into the ridiculousness of today's culture >>> deeming everything "racist" in one way or another. True racism is
    something entirely different than what it is being presented as today. >>> That said, if Sir Charles was to say he would never give any money to a >>> white person because he damn well hates them, yes, that I think would be >>> racist. For him to prefer to help a segment of society he is a part of, >>> relates to, and considers worthy of his attention I don't think is
    racism. He still could do it either way, one is just more moral than
    the other.

    In the end, I don't care. The progressives will still find ways to
    discriminate against those they don't like, while using others money to >>> help the ones they do. It's what they do.
    Now this, on the other hand, is definitely racism.

    <https://therightscoop.com/oregon-groups-create-segregated-hiking-trails-for-black-people/>

    LOL You live in an amazing fantasy world.
    HA! Coming from someone who thinks men can become women, I think you
    should look in the mirror occasionally.

    I currently live in the Midwest, but have hiked all over the US and up
    in Canada. I have never seen the type of thing your link suggest is happening. I am a big white man, and have never seen a person of color appear to be afraid of me in the least, or anyone else for that matter
    in any of the places we've gone outdoors. If you have this type of
    problem up in the Northwest, that is a shame. I definitely would have
    the backs of anyone this behavior is exhibited towards. But the OP
    makes a valid point that this is perpetuating the stereotyping of people
    of color being victim to white folks. I don't like that. In my world,
    it's not happening or true. I applaud if someone has the true intention
    of getting people outdoors and enjoying everything that brings. Just
    find a way to keep the race shit out of it. Publicizing it this way
    doesn't do that. It instead continues to divide us. That is a shame.

    I have two relatives working for Space X that are living in Duval, Wa.
    We will be making it out there soon, and I guess we'll see for ourselves.

    ---snip---

    IOW, as usual, you have no idea what you're talking about, and you're perfectly happy to go chasing ghosts. You won't see the people who might be afraid of you out of the hiking trails. If they got out of the city in the first place most of those
    folks don't get far from the parking lot. There is an unspoken reason why these hiking groups are a good idea, and it has nothing to do with race. The biggest problem you will encounter is thieves. It really isn't a good idea to leave a car you care
    about at any trailhead. I sometimes do it, but I know I'm gambling.

    I meet and chat with people from all sorts of backgrounds when we're out and about. They're all pretty ordinary people.

    TB

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Tue Jul 4 22:08:09 2023
    On 7/4/2023 8:56 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:

    IOW, as usual, you have no idea what you're talking about, and you're perfectly happy to go chasing ghosts.

    ---snip---

    Honestly, there's just nothing in your post worth wasting any time on.

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  • From Frank Howell@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Sat Jul 8 15:39:42 2023
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 4:48:39 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
    On 7/4/2023 1:43 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 5:57:54 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 8:35 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 7:11 PM, George Anthony wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 4:25 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 2:37 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    This kind of thinking is the real racism. It's saying we can't >>>>>>>> compete on a level playing field. We need help from "whitey". This >>>>>>>> is insulting to me and should be to all Americans of African descent. >>>>>>>>
    Furthermore, this will likely make college campuses even more
    diverse since it will allow more Asians, with their more
    conservative views, access to supposedly "racially diverse" colleges. >>>>>>>>
    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charles-barkley-amends-will-donate-millions-auburn-following-supreme-courts-affirmative-action-ruling

    The unfortunate part of all this is the left continuing to
    misrepresent the actual case. For example, nowhere does Sir Barkley >>>>>>> acknowledge that people of Asian descent WERE being discriminated >>>>>>> against.
    His quote is even more silly, as he uses words that are obviously >>>>>>> against the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause: "Let me be >>>>>>> clear – affirmative action exists because we cannot rely on colleges, >>>>>>> universities and employers to enact admissions and hiring practices >>>>>>> that embrace diversity, equity and inclusion,". If he would have >>>>>>> left out *equity*, he would stand a chance. But the left is not
    interested in equality, equity is the word they choose to use.
    America is not about equity from our government. That's illegal. >>>>>>>
    FWIW, I have no problem at all with him creating a scholarship for >>>>>>> Black-only students if that's what he wants. I am not positive, but >>>>>>> I don't even think it's illegal. There are scholarships for certain >>>>>>> nationalities, certain genders (generally women), etc., and as long >>>>>>> as you're not the university I think you can give your money to
    whoever you want. Hopefully he's worked this out somehow if this is >>>>>>> how he wants his money spent. Just giving it to the college general >>>>>>> fund might not work out as he had wished, unfortunately.

    It's his money he can do whatever he wants with it. However, marking >>>>>> it for exclusive access by blacks is also racist.

    I would have to disagree with that assessment in a way. First, maybe >>>>> some other time we can get into the ridiculousness of today's culture >>>>> deeming everything "racist" in one way or another. True racism is
    something entirely different than what it is being presented as today. >>>>> That said, if Sir Charles was to say he would never give any money to a >>>>> white person because he damn well hates them, yes, that I think would be >>>>> racist. For him to prefer to help a segment of society he is a part of, >>>>> relates to, and considers worthy of his attention I don't think is
    racism. He still could do it either way, one is just more moral than >>>>> the other.

    In the end, I don't care. The progressives will still find ways to
    discriminate against those they don't like, while using others money to >>>>> help the ones they do. It's what they do.
    Now this, on the other hand, is definitely racism.

    <https://therightscoop.com/oregon-groups-create-segregated-hiking-trails-for-black-people/>

    LOL You live in an amazing fantasy world.
    HA! Coming from someone who thinks men can become women, I think you
    should look in the mirror occasionally.

    I currently live in the Midwest, but have hiked all over the US and up
    in Canada. I have never seen the type of thing your link suggest is
    happening. I am a big white man, and have never seen a person of color
    appear to be afraid of me in the least, or anyone else for that matter
    in any of the places we've gone outdoors. If you have this type of
    problem up in the Northwest, that is a shame. I definitely would have
    the backs of anyone this behavior is exhibited towards. But the OP
    makes a valid point that this is perpetuating the stereotyping of people
    of color being victim to white folks. I don't like that. In my world,
    it's not happening or true. I applaud if someone has the true intention
    of getting people outdoors and enjoying everything that brings. Just
    find a way to keep the race shit out of it. Publicizing it this way
    doesn't do that. It instead continues to divide us. That is a shame.

    I have two relatives working for Space X that are living in Duval, Wa.
    We will be making it out there soon, and I guess we'll see for ourselves.

    ---snip---

    IOW, as usual, you have no idea what you're talking about, and you're perfectly happy to go chasing ghosts. You won't see the people who might be afraid of you out of the hiking trails. If they got out of the city in the first place most of those
    folks don't get far from the parking lot. There is an unspoken reason why these hiking groups are a good idea, and it has nothing to do with race. The biggest problem you will encounter is thieves. It really isn't a good idea to leave a car you care
    about at any trailhead. I sometimes do it, but I know I'm gambling.

    I meet and chat with people from all sorts of backgrounds when we're out and about. They're all pretty ordinary people.

    TB

    How can you meet all sorts of people when some groups have their own
    trail which by definition excludes you?

    --
    Frank Howell

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  • From Frank Howell@21:1/5 to Technobarbarian on Sat Jul 8 15:37:11 2023
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 5:57:54 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 8:35 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 7:11 PM, George Anthony wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 4:25 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 2:37 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    This kind of thinking is the real racism. It's saying we can't
    compete on a level playing field. We need help from "whitey". This >>>>>> is insulting to me and should be to all Americans of African descent. >>>>>>
    Furthermore, this will likely make college campuses even more
    diverse since it will allow more Asians, with their more
    conservative views, access to supposedly "racially diverse" colleges. >>>>>>
    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charles-barkley-amends-will-donate-millions-auburn-following-supreme-courts-affirmative-action-ruling

    The unfortunate part of all this is the left continuing to
    misrepresent the actual case. For example, nowhere does Sir Barkley >>>>> acknowledge that people of Asian descent WERE being discriminated
    against.
    His quote is even more silly, as he uses words that are obviously
    against the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause: "Let me be
    clear – affirmative action exists because we cannot rely on colleges, >>>>> universities and employers to enact admissions and hiring practices
    that embrace diversity, equity and inclusion,". If he would have
    left out *equity*, he would stand a chance. But the left is not
    interested in equality, equity is the word they choose to use.
    America is not about equity from our government. That's illegal.

    FWIW, I have no problem at all with him creating a scholarship for
    Black-only students if that's what he wants. I am not positive, but >>>>> I don't even think it's illegal. There are scholarships for certain >>>>> nationalities, certain genders (generally women), etc., and as long
    as you're not the university I think you can give your money to
    whoever you want. Hopefully he's worked this out somehow if this is >>>>> how he wants his money spent. Just giving it to the college general >>>>> fund might not work out as he had wished, unfortunately.

    It's his money he can do whatever he wants with it. However, marking
    it for exclusive access by blacks is also racist.

    I would have to disagree with that assessment in a way. First, maybe
    some other time we can get into the ridiculousness of today's culture
    deeming everything "racist" in one way or another. True racism is
    something entirely different than what it is being presented as today.
    That said, if Sir Charles was to say he would never give any money to a
    white person because he damn well hates them, yes, that I think would be >>> racist. For him to prefer to help a segment of society he is a part of, >>> relates to, and considers worthy of his attention I don't think is
    racism. He still could do it either way, one is just more moral than
    the other.

    In the end, I don't care. The progressives will still find ways to
    discriminate against those they don't like, while using others money to
    help the ones they do. It's what they do.
    Now this, on the other hand, is definitely racism.

    <https://therightscoop.com/oregon-groups-create-segregated-hiking-trails-for-black-people/>

    LOL You live in an amazing fantasy world. Most of the land here is publicly owned. The hiking trails can't legally be segregated. The only thing segregated here is groups of people who are voluntarily segregating themselves, to a small extent.
    They will still be sharing the trails with everyone. Who knows, If you asked nicely they might let you join? I suggest you follow this story back to its original, less slanted, version.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/travel/2023/07/oregon-groups-create-a-path-for-people-of-color-to-feel-safe-on-wilderness-trails.html

    "Oregon groups create a path for people of color to feel safe on wilderness trails"

    I admit it. When you get out of the city, it gets very White out there, but not exclusively. Eastern Oregon gets very white outside of the cities. I assume that racism is likely to be a factor, but I also assume there are a number of other
    factors at work here. One of the more obvious reasons is that hanging out in the forest or in the middle of nowhere doesn't appeal to everyone one. For a family, even just car camping can represent a significant investment.

    OTOH the POC that we see out and about all seem to be enjoying themselves. Harassment doesn't appear to be common. You see a lot of Hispanic and Asian people on the coast. Black people are more common than they used to be. One of the more obvious
    changes in Oregon, over the years, is the wide diversity of ethnic food available almost everywhere. I can remember Newport when it had one Mexican restaurant, just outside of town, two Chinese restaurants and one pizza parlor, along with a ton of
    American style restaurants.

    TB




    Safe from what?

    --
    Frank Howell

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  • From George Anthony@21:1/5 to Frank Howell on Sat Jul 8 20:26:18 2023
    On 7/8/2023 5:39 PM, Frank Howell wrote:
    Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 4:48:39 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
    On 7/4/2023 1:43 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
    On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 5:57:54 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 8:35 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 7:11 PM, George Anthony wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 4:25 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 2:37 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
    This kind of thinking is the real racism. It's saying we can't >>>>>>>>> compete on a level playing field. We need help from "whitey". This >>>>>>>>> is insulting to me and should be to all Americans of African >>>>>>>>> descent.

    Furthermore, this will likely make college campuses even more >>>>>>>>> diverse since it will allow more Asians, with their more
    conservative views, access to supposedly "racially diverse"
    colleges.

    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/charles-barkley-amends-will-donate-millions-auburn-following-supreme-courts-affirmative-action-ruling

    The unfortunate part of all this is the left continuing to
    misrepresent the actual case. For example, nowhere does Sir Barkley >>>>>>>> acknowledge that people of Asian descent WERE being discriminated >>>>>>>> against.
    His quote is even more silly, as he uses words that are obviously >>>>>>>> against the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause: "Let me be >>>>>>>> clear – affirmative action exists because we cannot rely on
    colleges,
    universities and employers to enact admissions and hiring practices >>>>>>>> that embrace diversity, equity and inclusion,". If he would have >>>>>>>> left out *equity*, he would stand a chance. But the left is not >>>>>>>> interested in equality, equity is the word they choose to use. >>>>>>>> America is not about equity from our government. That's illegal. >>>>>>>>
    FWIW, I have no problem at all with him creating a scholarship for >>>>>>>> Black-only students if that's what he wants. I am not positive, but >>>>>>>> I don't even think it's illegal. There are scholarships for certain >>>>>>>> nationalities, certain genders (generally women), etc., and as long >>>>>>>> as you're not the university I think you can give your money to >>>>>>>> whoever you want. Hopefully he's worked this out somehow if this is >>>>>>>> how he wants his money spent. Just giving it to the college general >>>>>>>> fund might not work out as he had wished, unfortunately.

    It's his money he can do whatever he wants with it. However, marking >>>>>>> it for exclusive access by blacks is also racist.

    I would have to disagree with that assessment in a way. First, maybe >>>>>> some other time we can get into the ridiculousness of today's culture >>>>>> deeming everything "racist" in one way or another. True racism is
    something entirely different than what it is being presented as
    today.
    That said, if Sir Charles was to say he would never give any money >>>>>> to a
    white person because he damn well hates them, yes, that I think
    would be
    racist. For him to prefer to help a segment of society he is a
    part of,
    relates to, and considers worthy of his attention I don't think is >>>>>> racism. He still could do it either way, one is just more moral than >>>>>> the other.

    In the end, I don't care. The progressives will still find ways to >>>>>> discriminate against those they don't like, while using others
    money to
    help the ones they do. It's what they do.
    Now this, on the other hand, is definitely racism.

    <https://therightscoop.com/oregon-groups-create-segregated-hiking-trails-for-black-people/>

    LOL You live in an amazing fantasy world.
    HA! Coming from someone who thinks men can become women, I think you
    should look in the mirror occasionally.

    I currently live in the Midwest, but have hiked all over the US and up
    in Canada. I have never seen the type of thing your link suggest is
    happening. I am a big white man, and have never seen a person of color
    appear to be afraid of me in the least, or anyone else for that matter
    in any of the places we've gone outdoors. If you have this type of
    problem up in the Northwest, that is a shame. I definitely would have
    the backs of anyone this behavior is exhibited towards. But the OP
    makes a valid point that this is perpetuating the stereotyping of people >>> of color being victim to white folks. I don't like that. In my world,
    it's not happening or true. I applaud if someone has the true intention
    of getting people outdoors and enjoying everything that brings. Just
    find a way to keep the race shit out of it. Publicizing it this way
    doesn't do that. It instead continues to divide us. That is a shame.

    I have two relatives working for Space X that are living in Duval, Wa.
    We will be making it out there soon, and I guess we'll see for
    ourselves.

    ---snip---

        IOW, as usual, you have no idea what you're talking about, and
    you're perfectly happy to go chasing ghosts. You won't see the people
    who might be afraid of you out of the hiking trails. If they got out
    of the city in the first place most of those folks don't get far from
    the parking lot. There is an unspoken reason why these hiking groups
    are a good idea, and it has nothing to do with race. The biggest
    problem you will encounter is thieves. It really isn't a good idea to
    leave a car you care about at any trailhead. I sometimes do it, but I
    know I'm gambling.

           I meet and chat with people from all sorts of backgrounds when >> we're out and about. They're all pretty ordinary people.

    TB

    When's the last time you saw a transvestite or drag queen out hiking or jogging. They are too busy shaking their asses in front of school children.



    How can you meet all sorts of people when some groups have their own
    trail which by definition excludes you?


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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to George Anthony on Sat Jul 8 22:15:06 2023
    On 7/8/2023 8:26 PM, George Anthony wrote:

    When's the last time you saw a transvestite or drag queen out hiking or jogging. They are too busy shaking their asses in front of school children.

    Before Covid hit we were up in the Banff area of Canada and hiking in
    the National Parks. One day there was a small group of a half dozen
    people we kept running into. Unlike TechnoKook, I don't hang around
    with the boisterous alphabet crowd and don't search them out, so back
    then I hadn't seen many alphabet people. There was a man in the gang
    who was about 6' 5" tall, and every bit a man, except for the obvious
    set of boobs he had. Finally I had to ask my wife what the hell that
    was. She explained it to me, and I said OK.

    Now that I look back on it, I guess the guy was doing OK for someone
    with an obvious mental health issue. He didn't seem to mind people
    looking funny at him. He was dressed to show his feminine side and
    nobody really cared. But it is not something you normally see, so
    people were noticing.

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  • From bfh@21:1/5 to sticks on Sun Jul 9 00:29:37 2023
    sticks wrote:
    On 7/8/2023 8:26 PM, George Anthony wrote:

    When's the last time you saw a transvestite or drag queen out hiking
    or jogging. They are too busy shaking their asses in front of school
    children.

    Before Covid hit we were up in the Banff area of Canada and hiking in
    the National Parks.  One day there was a small group of a half dozen
    people we kept running into.  Unlike TechnoKook, I don't hang around
    with the boisterous alphabet crowd and don't search them out, so back
    then I hadn't seen many alphabet people.  There was a man in the gang
    who was about 6' 5" tall, and every bit a man, except for the obvious
    set of boobs he had.

    Were they proportional?

    Finally I had to ask my wife what the hell that
    was.  She explained it to me, and I said OK.

    Now that I look back on it, I guess the guy was doing OK for someone
    with an obvious mental health issue.  He didn't seem to mind people
    looking funny at him.  He was dressed to show his feminine side and
    nobody really cared.  But it is not something you normally see, so
    people were noticing.


    --
    bill
    Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to bfh on Sun Jul 9 08:44:55 2023
    On 7/8/2023 11:29 PM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:
    On 7/8/2023 8:26 PM, George Anthony wrote:

    When's the last time you saw a transvestite or drag queen out hiking
    or jogging. They are too busy shaking their asses in front of school
    children.

    Before Covid hit we were up in the Banff area of Canada and hiking in
    the National Parks.  One day there was a small group of a half dozen
    people we kept running into.  Unlike TechnoKook, I don't hang around
    with the boisterous alphabet crowd and don't search them out, so back
    then I hadn't seen many alphabet people.  There was a man in the gang
    who was about 6' 5" tall, and every bit a man, except for the obvious
    set of boobs he had.

    Were they proportional?

    I don't really know what size of girlie boobs are appropriate for a big
    man. I'm betting TechnoBoob does.

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  • From robert caprel@21:1/5 to sticks on Sun Jul 9 12:06:57 2023
    On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 8:15:11 PM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
    On 7/8/2023 8:26 PM, George Anthony wrote:

    When's the last time you saw a transvestite or drag queen out hiking or jogging. They are too busy shaking their asses in front of school children.
    Before Covid hit we were up in the Banff area of Canada and hiking in
    the National Parks. One day there was a small group of a half dozen
    people we kept running into. Unlike TechnoKook, I don't hang around
    with the boisterous alphabet crowd and don't search them out, so back
    then I hadn't seen many alphabet people. There was a man in the gang
    who was about 6' 5" tall, and every bit a man, except for the obvious
    set of boobs he had. Finally I had to ask my wife what the hell that
    was. She explained it to me, and I said OK.

    Now that I look back on it, I guess the guy was doing OK for someone
    with an obvious mental health issue. He didn't seem to mind people
    looking funny at him. He was dressed to show his feminine side and
    nobody really cared. But it is not something you normally see, so
    people were noticing.

    Everybody knows Banff is the Fag Convention capital and you being some fat and short nobody from Ohio and lusting after this 6 foot 5” hunk that made you notice him; it’s just he already had his own harem so better luck next time!

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