• Michigan agency removes giant cross on state land after complaint from

    From Brewster@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 16 21:19:25 2018
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    A large white cross that stood for years at the Waterloo State
    Recreation Area near Jackson is gone following a complaint that it
    violated the separation of church and state in the First Amendment of
    the Constitution.

    A longtime resident, who frequently hiked the Waterloo-Pinckney Trail
    and would sled the Sackrider Hill, sent a complaint to the Michigan
    Association of Civil Rights Activists (MACRA) in March.

    The activist group asked the director of the Department of Natural
    Resources, Keith Creagh, that the agency remove the cross.

    The activist group said the cross also violated Article 1, section 4
    of the Michigan Constitution, which explicitly forbids the
    appropriation of public money or property for the benefit of any
    religious sect or society.

    But Grassroots Jackson, a volunteer group, strongly opposed the
    removal of the cross, beginning an online petition "Save the Jackson
    Cross" which got over 2,500 signatures in March, according to MLive.

    Member Billie Dawson said that they wanted to "give a voice to the
    thousands of people that support the cross."

    "Its presence on the hill does not establish a state religion or
    coerce any person into religious worship," Dawson said.

    MACRA discovered through a public records request that an unauthorized
    permit was issued for the cross in 1992.

    The cross was removed Tuesday.

    "We are pleased with the DNR's action to remove the cross without
    further controversy," MACRA co-founder Mitch Kahle said.

    Maybe it's time for the unauthorized removal of some atheist communist
    heads.


    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/05/15/waterloo-state-rectration-area-cross/612824002/

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to Brewster on Thu May 17 00:44:09 2018
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    In article <vg0qfd9sb1pop3r8oobk72vqn9205blfg4@4ax.com>
    Brewster <emailbarry@yahoo.com> wrote:


    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/05/15/waterloo-state-rectration-area-cross/612824002/

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  • From Mr. B1ack@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 17 17:34:37 2018
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    On Thu, 17 May 2018 00:44:09 -0400 (EDT), Anonymous <nobody@haph.org>
    wrote:

    In article <vg0qfd9sb1pop3r8oobk72vqn9205blfg4@4ax.com>
    Brewster <emailbarry@yahoo.com> wrote:

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/05/15/waterloo-state-rectration-area-cross/612824002/


    I'm a Republican atheist ... and have no problem with
    the odd big stone X-lookin' thing on anyones landscape.
    You can put up a fat smiling Buddha statue too if you want.
    Not as if it's somehow forcing me to act/become religious ...

    People believe in all sorts of weird things - religions are
    just one small category. I'd be more concerned if it was
    a giant statue of Karl Marx .............

    Hmm ... what if nearby private landowners set up a
    system to create a holographic cross over the
    contested bit of land ? Being intangible, merely a
    coincidental interplay of photons, it'd make for a
    jolly old legal crisis dontchathink ? :-)

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