• Anpother reason to refuse to use Facebook

    From Basil D@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 11 13:42:59 2019
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/facebook-broad-data-collection-ruled-illegal-by-german-anti-trust-office/

    Short version: an agency of the German government has determine that Facebook combines too
    much private data into one database, causing unfair competition practices.

    Short, short version: Facebook is a bunch of snoops.

    Come to Mastodon; it's so much more pro-privacy! https://medievalist.masto.host/ for
    SCA/historical stuff. :-)

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to Buzzy@example.com on Tue Feb 12 00:36:11 2019
    In article <q3sq93$iu5$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Basil D <Buzzy@example.com> wrote: >https://www.zdnet.com/article/facebook-broad-data-collection-ruled-illegal-by-german-anti-trust-office/

    Short version: an agency of the German government has determine that
    Facebook combines too
    much private data into one database, causing unfair competition practices.

    Short, short version: Facebook is a bunch of snoops.

    I knew that. :)

    --
    Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt Vinhold/Mists/West Vallejo, California
    PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at gmail dot com www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Nikolai Petrovich@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 11 18:31:00 2019
    djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) on Tue, 12 Feb 2019 00:36:11 GMT
    typed in rec.org.sca the following:
    In article <q3sq93$iu5$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Basil D <Buzzy@example.com> wrote: >>https://www.zdnet.com/article/facebook-broad-data-collection-ruled-illegal-by-german-anti-trust-office/

    Short version: an agency of the German government has determine that >>Facebook combines too
    much private data into one database, causing unfair competition practices.

    Short, short version: Facebook is a bunch of snoops.

    I knew that. :)

    Me too.

    But how do I contact people who believe that Face book is the
    inter webs?
    --
    Nikolai Petrovich Flandropoff
    Seneschal of Canton Bearwood
    Scribe & Zampollet to Clan MacFlandry
    Loose Canon, An Tir Heavy Opera Company
    Whimsical Order of the Ailing Wit

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to phamp@mindspring.com on Tue Feb 12 07:06:41 2019
    In article <04b46eh7g7b599barcfqfdt0e01ki08kks@4ax.com>,
    Nikolai Petrovich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
    djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) on Tue, 12 Feb 2019 00:36:11 GMT
    typed in rec.org.sca the following:
    In article <q3sq93$iu5$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Basil D <Buzzy@example.com> wrote: >>>https://www.zdnet.com/article/facebook-broad-data-collection-ruled-illegal-by-german-anti-trust-office/

    Short version: an agency of the German government has determine that >>>Facebook combines too
    much private data into one database, causing unfair competition practices. >>>
    Short, short version: Facebook is a bunch of snoops.

    I knew that. :)

    Me too.

    But how do I contact people who believe that Face book is the
    inter webs?

    Find out their snailmail address and write them a letter by USPS?

    --
    Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt Vinhold/Mists/West Vallejo, California
    PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at gmail dot com www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

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  • From Nikolai Petrovich@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 12 09:05:22 2019
    djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) on Tue, 12 Feb 2019 07:06:41 GMT
    typed in rec.org.sca the following:
    In article <04b46eh7g7b599barcfqfdt0e01ki08kks@4ax.com>,
    Nikolai Petrovich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
    djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) on Tue, 12 Feb 2019 00:36:11 GMT >>typed in rec.org.sca the following:
    In article <q3sq93$iu5$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Basil D <Buzzy@example.com> wrote:
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/facebook-broad-data-collection-ruled-illegal-by-german-anti-trust-office/

    Short version: an agency of the German government has determine that >>>>Facebook combines too
    much private data into one database, causing unfair competition practices. >>>>
    Short, short version: Facebook is a bunch of snoops.

    I knew that. :)

    Me too.

    But how do I contact people who believe that Face book is the
    inter webs?

    Find out their snailmail address and write them a letter by USPS?

    LOL, yeah, there is that. When there is time, I do. Sigh, my
    sister owes me two letters already.

    We are spoiled. Due to weather, we needed to change the monthly biziness meeting up a couple days.Using Face book, and email (and even
    the Electric Telephone), {I even posted here}, we were able to sort
    that through, and the canton meeting was held. Rah.

    --
    Nikolai Petrovich Flandropoff
    Seneschal of Canton Bearwood
    Scribe & Zampollet to Clan MacFlandry
    Loose Canon, An Tir Heavy Opera Company
    Whimsical Order of the Ailing Wit

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  • From nexus@panix.com@21:1/5 to phamp@mindspring.com on Wed Feb 13 05:44:10 2019
    In article <04b46eh7g7b599barcfqfdt0e01ki08kks@4ax.com>,
    Nikolai Petrovich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
    Me too.
    But how do I contact people who believe that Face book is the
    inter webs?

    Save yourself! They are already lost ...

    Alexandre d'Avigne
    (AspiringLuddite on https://medievalist.masto.host, hint, hint)
    ------------
    Jeff Berry - http://www.aspiringluddite.com - food, musings, etc.
    "I don't need TV when I got T-Rex" - Mott the Hoople

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  • From Nikolai Petrovich@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 13 09:16:36 2019
    nexus@panix.com on 13 Feb 2019 05:44:10 -0500 typed in rec.org.sca the following:
    In article <04b46eh7g7b599barcfqfdt0e01ki08kks@4ax.com>,
    Nikolai Petrovich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
    Me too.
    But how do I contact people who believe that Face book is the
    inter webs?

    Save yourself! They are already lost ...

    I just checked, the last 100 message posted here go back to
    October 2015.

    So, how do I contact people who think that Facebook, Twitter,
    Instagram or the regional Website is the sum total of the interwebs?

    "Not like when I was a boy, and I had to drive 20 miles to the
    other campus to log in."
    --
    Nikolai Petrovich Flandropoff
    Seneschal of Canton Bearwood
    Scribe & Zampollet to Clan MacFlandry
    Loose Canon, An Tir Heavy Opera Company
    Whimsical Order of the Ailing Wit

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  • From Basil D@21:1/5 to Nikolai Petrovich on Wed Feb 13 17:54:25 2019
    On 2/13/2019 9:16 AM, Nikolai Petrovich wrote:
    nexus@panix.com on 13 Feb 2019 05:44:10 -0500 typed in rec.org.sca the following:
    In article <04b46eh7g7b599barcfqfdt0e01ki08kks@4ax.com>,
    Nikolai Petrovich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
    Me too.
    But how do I contact people who believe that Face book is the
    inter webs?

    Save yourself! They are already lost ...

    I just checked, the last 100 message posted here go back to
    October 2015.

    So, how do I contact people who think that Facebook, Twitter,
    Instagram or the regional Website is the sum total of the interwebs?


    Convert them to Mastodon? - - - - Well, you could try. ;-)

    "Not like when I was a boy, and I had to drive 20 miles to the
    other campus to log in."

    Uphill, both ways, in the snow.....


    ~~Basil Dragonstrike

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  • From Basil D@21:1/5 to nexus@panix.com on Wed Feb 13 17:52:35 2019
    On 2/13/2019 2:44 AM, nexus@panix.com wrote:
    In article <04b46eh7g7b599barcfqfdt0e01ki08kks@4ax.com>,
    Nikolai Petrovich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
    Me too.
    But how do I contact people who believe that Face book is the
    inter webs?

    Save yourself! They are already lost ...

    Alexandre d'Avigne
    (AspiringLuddite on https://medievalist.masto.host, hint, hint)

    I mentioned medievalist.masto.host, and it got cut. :-(


    ~~Basil Dragonstrike

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  • From Nikolai Petrovich@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 14 10:29:32 2019
    Basil D <Buzzy@example.com> on Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:54:25 -0800 typed
    in rec.org.sca the following:
    On 2/13/2019 9:16 AM, Nikolai Petrovich wrote:
    nexus@panix.com on 13 Feb 2019 05:44:10 -0500 typed in rec.org.sca the
    following:
    In article <04b46eh7g7b599barcfqfdt0e01ki08kks@4ax.com>,
    Nikolai Petrovich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
    Me too.
    But how do I contact people who believe that Face book is the
    inter webs?

    Save yourself! They are already lost ...

    I just checked, the last 100 message posted here go back to
    October 2015.

    So, how do I contact people who think that Facebook, Twitter,
    Instagram or the regional Website is the sum total of the interwebs?


    Convert them to Mastodon? - - - - Well, you could try. ;-)

    Which merely adds one more layer of complexity. I got drafted to
    be the Canton's Seneschal. To change the business meeting(due to an anticipated attack of the Frost Giant) I log into the Nikolai Account,
    and check Canton email, the canton facebook page, and the SCA.org
    site. Log out of that and into this to post to the Interwebs. Then
    call a couple people to handle the phone tree.

    Adding Mastodon to this merely means, Yet Another Bunch who
    believe that social media is the Internet. Should I include Twitter,
    Pinterst, Punch, and some cool site you've never heard of?

    Not going to convince the atechnic to change.

    Fnord, I've no intention of changing the OS any more than I have
    to.

    Rant off.



    "Not like when I was a boy, and I had to drive 20 miles to the
    other campus to log in."

    Uphill, both ways, in the snow.....


    Funny you should mention ....

    I decided to walk the two miles to work. First time it had
    snowed, and there are the remains of a glacial moraine between here
    and there. So yes, in the snow, up hill, both ways in the dark. "And
    paid the mill owner tupence for the privilege."
    --
    Nikolai Petrovich Flandropoff
    Seneschal of Canton Bearwood
    Scribe & Zampollet to Clan MacFlandry
    Loose Canon, An Tir Heavy Opera Company
    Whimsical Order of the Ailing Wit

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  • From Daphne Eftychia Arthur@21:1/5 to phamp@mindspring.com on Fri Feb 15 10:00:18 2019
    In article <91cb6epccdjihdpquqho8b022uv11jsdgk@4ax.com>,
    Nikolai Petrovich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
    Basil D <Buzzy@example.com> on Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:54:25 -0800 typed
    in rec.org.sca the following:
    Convert them to Mastodon? - - - - Well, you could try. ;-)

    Which merely adds one more layer of complexity. I got drafted to
    be the Canton's Seneschal. To change the business meeting(due to an >anticipated attack of the Frost Giant) I log into the Nikolai Account,
    and check Canton email, the canton facebook page, and the SCA.org
    site. Log out of that and into this to post to the Interwebs. Then
    call a couple people to handle the phone tree.

    Adding Mastodon to this merely means, Yet Another Bunch who
    believe that social media is the Internet. Should I include Twitter, >Pinterst, Punch, and some cool site you've never heard of?

    It feels like we're vaguelyt off-topic ... but still:

    It's reasonable for different people to have different preferences.
    It's not reasonable fr people to think their favourite site/medium
    is What The Internet Is. But folks do that. *sigh*

    I think it's well into the time for there to be a coordinator/aggregator
    layer that sits atop of email / usenet / social media / chat / dm / etc.
    and presents these in a user's preferred abstraction (to the extent that
    each can be bent or folde to fit said preference), with an addressbook
    that tracks each correspondent's preferred medium. So if I want to send
    a message to Miles Singer, my addressbook would contain the information
    that Miles prefers Twitter DMs, and convey my message to him that way
    without my having to remember that or go to Twitter directly. And when
    I wanted to send a message to Tristan Hunter, it would get delivered via Facebook, per his entry in my addressbook. But since I personally
    prefer email, from my end it woul look very much like sending email.

    (Okay, neither Twitter nor Facebook exist in Dr. Singer's & Tristan
    Hunter's world. Conceivably pneumatic tubes might, but they weren't
    mentioned in the story. Bear with me; I needed a couple of names.)

    Discussion-type mailing lists would probably not map very well onto
    this, but something very similar (or perhaps a module of this) could
    work for announcements: after some care with initial setup, someone responsible for newsletters and announcing reschedulings and such would
    enter their missive once, and it would be fed to the organization's
    various social media accounts, its mailing list, the appropriate spot on
    its web site, etc.


    Two _relatively_ minor hurdles and one larger one: (a) coming up with a
    robust design adaptable to many users' preferences (not just folks like
    me who'd be happy with feels-lik-email) without requiring a dauntingly
    high learning curve to set up in the first place, (b) creating a smooth implementation skating past all the pitfalls in the various APIs, and
    (c) -- the one that makes the first two, which would normally count as
    pretty big deals, look like the smalls ones -- Facebook would hate this
    and keep tweaking its API to break it, so _maintenance_ would basically
    be an _arms_race_. :-(

    It would make the world better, but Facebook wouldn't want it to.
    (Because Facebook serves not its users, but its advertisers, of course,
    and this would not reliably show Facebook's ads.)

    --
    Daphne Eftychia Arthur daphne@panix.com
    Grandis vetus factio delenda est.
    Everything is better with live music.

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  • From Basil D@21:1/5 to Daphne Eftychia Arthur on Sun Feb 17 13:34:43 2019
    On 2/15/2019 2:00 AM, Daphne Eftychia Arthur wrote:
    {snip}
    Facebook would hate this
    and keep tweaking its API to break it, so _maintenance_ would basically
    be an _arms_race_. :-(

    It would make the world better, but Facebook wouldn't want it to.
    (Because Facebook serves not its users, but its advertisers, of course,
    and this would not reliably show Facebook's ads.)

    Which is one of the two main reasons I will not use FB, and will continue to urge people
    to stop using it.

    Folks, please, don't use FB. And balls to those who won't leave it.


    ~~Basil

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  • From Nikolai Petrovich@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 17 19:41:06 2019
    Basil D <Buzzy@example.com> on Sun, 17 Feb 2019 13:34:43 -0800 typed
    in rec.org.sca the following:
    On 2/15/2019 2:00 AM, Daphne Eftychia Arthur wrote:
    {snip}
    Facebook would hate this
    and keep tweaking its API to break it, so _maintenance_ would basically
    be an _arms_race_. :-(

    It would make the world better, but Facebook wouldn't want it to.
    (Because Facebook serves not its users, but its advertisers, of course,
    and this would not reliably show Facebook's ads.)

    Which is one of the two main reasons I will not use FB, and will continue to urge people
    to stop using it.

    Folks, please, don't use FB. And balls to those who won't leave it.

    Good.

    Now, if we could just get Kingdom and Barony to stop using it.


    ~~Basil
    --
    Nikolai Petrovich Flandropoff
    Seneschal of Canton Bearwood
    Scribe & Zampollet to Clan MacFlandry
    Loose Canon, An Tir Heavy Opera Company
    Whimsical Order of the Ailing Wit

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  • From Basil D@21:1/5 to Nikolai Petrovich on Tue Feb 19 17:49:02 2019
    On 2/17/2019 7:41 PM, Nikolai Petrovich wrote:
    Basil D <Buzzy@example.com> on Sun, 17 Feb 2019 13:34:43 -0800 typed
    in rec.org.sca the following:
    On 2/15/2019 2:00 AM, Daphne Eftychia Arthur wrote:
    {snip}
    Facebook would hate this
    and keep tweaking its API to break it, so _maintenance_ would basically
    be an _arms_race_. :-(

    It would make the world better, but Facebook wouldn't want it to.
    (Because Facebook serves not its users, but its advertisers, of course,
    and this would not reliably show Facebook's ads.)

    Which is one of the two main reasons I will not use FB, and will continue to urge people
    to stop using it.

    Folks, please, don't use FB. And balls to those who won't leave it.

    Good.

    Now, if we could just get Kingdom and Barony to stop using it.

    Well, you're the Seneschal of Bearwood, so at least you can get the canton to stop using
    it. };-)


    ~~Basil

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  • From Baron Bjorn Bjorklund@21:1/5 to Daphne Eftychia Arthur on Wed Feb 20 07:17:52 2019
    On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 5:00:19 AM UTC-5, Daphne Eftychia Arthur wrote: [...]
    I think it's well into the time for there to be a coordinator/aggregator layer that sits atop of email / Usenet / social media / chat / dm / etc.
    and presents these in a user's preferred abstraction (to the extent that
    each can be bent or folded to fit said preference), with an address book
    that tracks each correspondent's preferred medium. So if I want to send
    a message to Miles Singer, my address book would contain the information
    that Miles prefers Twitter DMs, and convey my message to him that way without my having to remember that or go to Twitter directly. And when
    I wanted to send a message to Tristan Hunter, it would get delivered via Facebook, per his entry in my address book. But since I personally
    prefer email, from my end it would look very much like sending email.

    At first glance, I liked your idea a lot! And do believe it would be possible to create such a tool.

    On second consideration, I realized that, sadly, such a tool would appear much like a SPAM bot, and be caught in various filters instead of successfully transmitting the information. If it avoided that, then those who do send SPAM would adopt it in an
    effort to avoid such filters as well.

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  • From Nikolai Petrovich@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 20 18:51:07 2019
    Basil D <Buzzy@example.com> on Tue, 19 Feb 2019 17:49:02 -0800 typed
    in rec.org.sca the following:
    On 2/17/2019 7:41 PM, Nikolai Petrovich wrote:
    Basil D <Buzzy@example.com> on Sun, 17 Feb 2019 13:34:43 -0800 typed
    in rec.org.sca the following:
    On 2/15/2019 2:00 AM, Daphne Eftychia Arthur wrote:
    {snip}
    Facebook would hate this
    and keep tweaking its API to break it, so _maintenance_ would basically >>>> be an _arms_race_. :-(

    It would make the world better, but Facebook wouldn't want it to.
    (Because Facebook serves not its users, but its advertisers, of course, >>>> and this would not reliably show Facebook's ads.)

    Which is one of the two main reasons I will not use FB, and will continue to urge people
    to stop using it.

    Folks, please, don't use FB. And balls to those who won't leave it.

    Good.

    Now, if we could just get Kingdom and Barony to stop using it.

    Well, you're the Seneschal of Bearwood, so at least you can get the canton to stop using
    it. };-)

    Uh huh.

    "I am their leader, which way did they go?"

    --
    Nikolai Petrovich Flandropoff
    Seneschal of Canton Bearwood
    Scribe & Zampollet to Clan MacFlandry
    Loose Canon, An Tir Heavy Opera Company
    Whimsical Order of the Ailing Wit

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  • From Basil D@21:1/5 to Nikolai Petrovich on Sat Feb 23 13:50:05 2019
    On 2/20/2019 6:51 PM, Nikolai Petrovich wrote:
    Basil D <Buzzy@example.com> on Tue, 19 Feb 2019 17:49:02 -0800 typed
    in rec.org.sca the following:
    On 2/17/2019 7:41 PM, Nikolai Petrovich wrote:
    Basil D <Buzzy@example.com> on Sun, 17 Feb 2019 13:34:43 -0800 typed
    in rec.org.sca the following:
    On 2/15/2019 2:00 AM, Daphne Eftychia Arthur wrote:
    {snip}
    Facebook would hate this
    and keep tweaking its API to break it, so _maintenance_ would basically >>>>> be an _arms_race_. :-(

    It would make the world better, but Facebook wouldn't want it to.
    (Because Facebook serves not its users, but its advertisers, of course, >>>>> and this would not reliably show Facebook's ads.)

    Which is one of the two main reasons I will not use FB, and will continue to urge people
    to stop using it.

    Folks, please, don't use FB. And balls to those who won't leave it.

    Good.

    Now, if we could just get Kingdom and Barony to stop using it.

    Well, you're the Seneschal of Bearwood, so at least you can get the canton to stop using
    it. };-)

    Uh huh.

    "I am their leader, which way did they go?"

    Well, there is that. ;-)


    ~~Basil

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