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  • Bhim / Bheem ( Kafi thaat )

    From ChristianAMR@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 9 08:02:39 2023
    Swarganga has the lakshanas of the dvi-ga prakar .
    Ocean has the prakar with only kom ga , however it seems that very few people sing it .


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmGhakW9MXc
    Dr. Pournima Dhumale - khyal , tarana .

    Dr Dhumale has responded to a youtube-enquiry thusly :

    " Rag Bheem is specially sung in Agra Gharana.
    It includes both Gandhars. Hence actually can not be classified satisfactorily in Thhat System. But considering it's similarity with Bheempalasi, it may be classified in Kafi Thaat. Bheem anga or some phrases of Bheem are included In Bheempalasi. They
    are : --- ni Sa ga Re Sa, Ma Pa ni Dha Pa and
    Sa ni Dha Pa.
    Madhyam nyas swar is common in both the ragas.
    Major difference is 1) the application of Shuddha Gandhar in Bheem as :--
    ni Sa Ga Ga Ma, Pa Ma Ga Ma and 2) the phrase :-- ni ga Re Sa .
    It's an afternoon melody ( 12 to 4 ). "

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  • From ChristianAMR@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 07:58:21 2023
    The Bhim of Ud Faiyaz Khan only has kom ga . It seems that R is used in a hidden way in the meend ( or similar ) from ga to Sa .
    Some phrases that would go outside the strict Dhanashri-ang ( probably ...) : PDn ; PDP ( ? )

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXgt9fpw_Z0

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  • From ChristianAMR@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 07:38:09 2023
    << Ocean has the prakar with only kom ga , however it seems that very few people sing it . <<<

    In fact he calls it BhimKafi and the outline is in Dhanashri-ang .
    However at youtube there is a clip of someone singing BhimKafi but with some Kafi phrases . That would be another version of the raag .....

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  • From ChristianAMR@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 23 19:46:33 2023
    __ Here is the version of Bhim that is almost Gavati ( or identical for some ) = some addition of tar kom ga

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHzLccrv58Y - Ab Shenoy

    "" Derived by changing komal gandhar to shudh gandhar in Bhimpalasi.

    Occasional use of komal gandhar only in the higher octave with n S g. R. s, immediately followed up with G. R. n S D p.

    n. s G m p n S ;
    S n D p m G R S / n S D p G m R s

    Addha Teentaal Drut - Mohe Ranga Daaro Shyaam - composed under my pen-name "Abhirang" ""

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    Bhimkauns

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LN7G43AZE0 - Ab Shenoy

    " Raag Bhimpalasi + Raag Malkauns

    R n. s g m p g m d n S
    S d n d m, np g, m g R s

    Vaadi - m, samvaadi - s

    Samay - raatri 3rd prahar

    Jaati - (vakra) shaadav sampoorn

    Poorvang pradhaan

    Nyaas - s, g, m, d "

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    Bhinna Bhim

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3XDqx_EqW0 - A Shenoy

    " Lakumi ghara padhaaro aaja,
    Mangala charana sudhaaro nivaasa.

    "Abhirang" naahi tuvase maangata dhana,
    Thodaa hee sukha deho maa, jholee mein.

    Raag Bhinna Bheem is derived by adding komal gandhar in the avarohan of Raag Bheem (Gāvati)

    n. s G m p n S ; n S D p, D m, p G, s G m p g R s.

    Phrases showing the constituent raags -

    1. Bhimpalas - p. n. s g R s, and
    m p n S n D p

    2. Gavati (Bheem) - G m p n S D p

    3. Jog - As you have rightly noticed, a shade of pilu is seen. But an old variant of raag Jog carries the same flavour, starting with the komal nishaad as compared to shudh nishaad in pilu - n. s G m p g R s "

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